From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #283 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, September 12 2002 Volume 11 : Number 283 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Back to Politics ["Golden Hind" ] reap [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #282 ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #282 ["Chris Franz" ] Wasps, radicals, and a double reap [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] REAP ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: REAP [Tom Clark ] Re: REAP ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #282 ["Michael Wells" ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #282 [rosso@videotron.ca] np: great central revisited [Stewart Russell ] Re: REAP ["glen uber" ] Re: Deliciously chitinous! ["matt sewell" ] Re: WAS: Fitting Tribute NOW: World views and a touch of RH ["matt sewell] Re: WAS: Fitting Tribute NOW: World views and a touch of RH ["matt sewell] Re: Back to Politics ["matt sewell" ] Re: WAS: Fitting Tribute NOW: World views and a touch of RH ["FS Thomas" ] Re: WAS: Fitting Tribute NOW: World views and a touch of RH ["FS Thomas" ] Re: WAS: Fitting Tribute NOW: World views and a touch of RH ["matt sewell] Buggers [Brian ] Re: np: great central revisited [Brian ] Who's side are you on? Side 3 of course. [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:02:33 +0000 From: "Golden Hind" Subject: Back to Politics Jeff D with 2 fs, wrote >If there was a chance that the regime succeeding Hussein would be democratic, the invasion might be acceptable to me. But we have no >interest in there being democracies in the Middle East (save Israel); >after all, democracies might decided to cut off our oil supply. Or >maybe even try to differsity their economies. Right. Also, Hussein really does seem unbalanced. I know hes a "bad guy." I guess what worries me is the timing of all this. Bush -knows- public sentiment will get all nicely inflamed from the 9/11 anniversery. He knows he can -use- this emotion and funnel it to support a purpose that is -not- all that closely tied to it. Also, arent there horrible mini-Hitlers in many other countries whom we turn a blind eye on? Isnt China, our economic ally, working on the bomb? Ar e we going to invade India and Pakistan cause they're working on the bomb? I smell opportunism and manipulation is Bush's stance. Thats what I dont like. >And if Dick Cheney goes on TV one more time talking about how evil >Saddam is, I swear I'll puke. Funny how that evil wasn't relevant >during the Clinton administration when Cheney and Halliburton were >doing so much business with Hussein. Hey -- he was the good guy during the war with Iran. As Im sure you know, it can be argued we made Hussein. I -may- even support our having gone into Afghanistan. I see-saw between being a pacifist and feeling that a bully needs to be stood up to. But I do know that war is horrible and not to be engaged in just to quick-jump the economy or make political hay. And Bush makes me nervous. Kay _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: reap John Unitas http://msn.espn.go.com/classic/obit/s/2002/0911/1430557.html ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:27:50 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #282 Ross on TV (etc.) >>Incidentally, on the Television front, I'm glad to see that Richard Lloyd's >>excellent 1st solo album is now out on Collector's Choice. Yeah, I need to pick that up. Verlaine's self-titled record was reissued by them, too. I already have it on disc but I'm tempted by the fact that Verlaine himself supposedly wrote the liner notes. Collector's Choice reissues are a real crapshoot. They rescue some brilliant stuff from the dustbins of history but they'll like as not master it from vinyl and leave a skip in the track, or put the wrong guy's picture on the cover. (They've actually done BOTH of those things...) BTW Verlaine's guitar tone still stings like, umm, a velvet ant at a good live show. Oh, and thanks for the Hoodoo Gurus tip... I'll probably dip into the party kitty and invest in the reissue. Now about those sharky Shriekback songs... come on, who's got 'em? __________ Brian: >>Oh happy, happy, happy news. While I don't care for TFLV, I've been hoping >>to find II&III and Vantiquities(which I have not heard) on cd for a long >>while. I just have to know... what don't you like about TFLV if you like the other early CVB so much? They seem so much all of one piece to me. Anyways, this is kind of mixed news for me as I've had the full catalog for so long. Wonder what the actual extras are gonna be. And you're right... Key Lime Pie was, and remains, wildly underrated. It's right up there with Tonight's the Night and Big Star 3 in the "band comes beautifully unhinged" category. "June" is an all-time favorite song of mine. Look, it says so right here (scroll down): http://www.marksieve.com/charlies_top_10.htm _______ Kay: >>I ate a lightning bug this summer. Cool. That brings up another geopraphical/linguistic question: in what regions of the US are they called "lightning bugs"? I was under the impression that most people called them "fireflies" but I grew up calling them "lightning bugs" as well. I seem to remember someone mocking me for that, but can't recall where they were from... ________ Jonathan: >>The main course was "Five Phylum Stew." Arthropods, >>molluscs, echinoderms, coelenterates (dried jellyfish), and tunicates. >>It was interesting. Please describe the taste and texture of the latter two items. Because you will never find anyone else other than the feglist who will ask you. Chin up, kids. Puke Day is almost over. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:30:31 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #282 on 9/11/02 4:27 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > That brings up another geopraphical/linguistic question: in what > regions of the US are they called "lightning bugs"? I was under the > impression that most people called them "fireflies" but I grew up calling > them "lightning bugs" as well. I seem to remember someone mocking me for > that, but can't recall where they were from... In New York (Long Island, specifically, it may be different upstate), we called them "lightning bugs". But it always seemed to me that the rest of the English-speaking world called them fireflies. Returning to normalcy, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:36:02 -0700 From: "Chris Franz" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #282 >Now about those sharky Shriekback songs... come on, who's got 'em? Well, I do. I even have a CD with New Musik's "Dead Fish (Don't Swim Home)," if that's the sort of thing you're looking for. How exactly do we get this to you? >Cool. That brings up another geopraphical/linguistic question: in what >regions of the US are they called "lightning bugs"? I was under the >impression that most people called them "fireflies" but I grew up calling >them "lightning bugs" as well. I seem to remember someone mocking me for >that, but can't recall where they were from... We called them "lightning bugs" where I grew up in Maryland. - - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:19:23 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Wasps, radicals, and a double reap >> There's a saying over here - bicarbonate for bees, vinegar for wasps... >> although I find if you talk to bees or wasps (and in fact many other >> insects), they'll get the message - thus I've never been stung by wasp, >> bee or hornet. > >All right for some. We went on our first 2002 visit to Devon last w/e and >I was savaged by a wasp which sneaked up behind me in the car and went >straight for the back of the neck. Not having seen it, I didn't have >a chance to say hallo ... having once been attacked by an angry swarm of those little yellow and black Nazis, I agree. Some advice - when you're clearing areas of overgrown garden, be careful not to put your rake into a wasp's nest. Luckily I managed to escape with only three stings, but boy was it terrifying (probably for the wasps, too)! Wasps are quite a hazard in parts of NZ, but the sandflies are the more annoying ones. Sorta like small scale mosquitoes, and everywhere on the S.I. West coast. IIRC, Alaska suffers in the same way from something very similar. >Sheik Omar Bakri Mohammed of the radical group Al-Muhajiroun said the >meeting at Finsbury Park Mosque, titled "Sept. 11, 2001: A Towering Day in >History," argues that the attacks were justified because Muslims must defend >themselves against armed aggression. > >Al-Muhajiroun says its goal is to make Britain an Islamic state. these are the same people that last month held a meeting that no-one attended. Not only that, but they tried to charge an entrance fee to journalists who were sent to cover the meeting. When the journalists refused to go in, the meeting was called off. They are regarded as somewhere beyond the lunatic fringe. RIP: Johnny Unitas and Michael Elphick James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:39:35 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: REAP Kim Hunter. I am almost embarrassed to add that I always remember her as Bad Ronald's mother( http://us.imdb.com/Title?0071186 ) Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:29:33 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: REAP on 9/11/02 5:39 PM, Maximilian Lang at maximlang@hotmail.com wrote: > Kim Hunter. > > > I am almost embarrassed to add that I always remember her as Bad Ronald's > mother( http://us.imdb.com/Title?0071186 ) Oh yeah! One of the best TV movies ever!! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:56:13 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: REAP >From: Tom Clark >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:29:33 -0700 > >on 9/11/02 5:39 PM, Maximilian Lang at maximlang@hotmail.com wrote: > > Kim Hunter. > > > > I am almost embarrassed to add that I always remember her as Bad >Ronald's > > mother( http://us.imdb.com/Title?0071186 ) >Oh yeah! One of the best TV movies ever!! > >-tc Without a doubt. What child has not had a fantasy about hidden rooms in his house? Voyeurism, the fear of abandonment, The film plays on these things in a dark, sick and twisted way. Hard to match this flick. Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:03:41 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #282 Chris: > We called them "lightning bugs" where I grew up in Maryland. And here in upstate Illinois as well, though both names are heard. My wife relates that exactly the opposite is true in S. Dakota, but then they also like tractor pulls there. James: > Wasps are quite a hazard in parts of NZ, but the sandflies are the more > annoying ones. Sorta like small scale mosquitoes, and everywhere on the > S.I. West coast. IIRC, Alaska suffers in the same way from something very > similar. It does; I can vouch that the SE panhandle is a feeding ground. Figured I'd get used to them after a couple weeks, but boy was that wrong. Yet my vote for the worst would still go to the Northwoods mosquitos up Boundry Waters way (yah, hey)...large enough to saddle and transport cargo, and utterly ruthless. I once saw a UP mosquito eat a fish, whole. No lie. Max: > Kim Hunter. Oh, Zira! Linda Harrison was hot, but there was always something...forbidden...in admitting that she looked pretty good. For an ape. Matronly, school mom-ish. And an ape. Gimme some of that hot monkey love! Michael "a five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:13:26 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #282 On 11 Sep 2002 at 16:27, Rex.Broome wrote: > Cool. That brings up another geopraphical/linguistic question: in what > regions of the US are they called "lightning bugs"? In NY/NJ they're called "lightning bugs". Montrealers who speak English call them "fireflies". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:19:26 From: Stewart Russell Subject: np: great central revisited Mr Rew's disc rocks! Purple & Orange Stripes could be the new Uncorrected Personality Traits! Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:13:12 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: REAP On Wed, Sep 11, 2002, Maximilian Lang wrote: > Without a doubt. What child has not had a fantasy about hidden rooms in his > house? Voyeurism, the fear of abandonment, The film plays on these things > in a dark, sick and twisted way. Hard to match this flick. Sorry, all I ever fantasized about was a lesbo scene between these two: . ;-) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:17:35 -0700 From: "glen uber" Subject: Re: REAP Ken earnestly scribbled: >Sorry, all I ever fantasized about was a lesbo scene between these >two: . ;-) Would that be a lesbian scene or a bestiality scene? - -- Cheers! - -g- "You don't have to be perfect to get into heaven - God wants you to get in. He's like one of those hippie teachers: All you have to do is show up every day and try your best." - --Drew Carey glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:50:56 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Deliciously chitinous! I think that perhaps, rather than being fundamentally different meat, it's the environment in which they live that dictates their flavour. For instance, woodlice (pillbugs, whatever - there could be a thread dedicated to names for this creature) are crustaceans, like crabs and lobsters. Much smaller, granted, but look closely and there's the same kind of thing going on underneath the armour. Crabs and lobsters - delicious, I'd never turn one down if offered. Woodlice - apparently have a fragrant woody, nutty flavour (not that I have or would try them). It's like the difference between sea fish and river fish (compare sea trout and brown trout - both trout (trout!), but one is deliciously tasty and good-looking, the other hideously ugly with a murky, muddy, river-water flavour). As for swallowing spiders in one's sleep - I think that is myth, combined with the (true, I've heard) statistic that the average person swallows 5 spiders a year (they don't crawl into your mouth when you're sleeping, but rather fall into various processed foods). Cheers Matt >From: "Rex.Broome" >It's weird that ocean-going arthropods generally tast so yummy. Do they >have a fundamentally different kind of meat in 'em from their land-going >brethren? Or do they just have the advantage of getting bigger? > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:22:19 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: WAS: Fitting Tribute NOW: World views and a touch of RH Well, I think if you swallow that, you'll pretty much swallow anything. Of course Saddam is a brutal dictator who is running (first and foremost) his own people into the ground. Is that why the US govt wants to depose him? I think not - the West is quite happy for dictators around the world to oppress their own people (eg. Indonesia under Suharto (sold the weapons for genocide in East Timor by the UK), Zimbabwe, China etc), so what's the problem with Saddam? We were quite happy to arm him and support his mass-murder of the kurds in the 80s, and to keep his dictatorship stable. What's changed? The "evidence" that Iraq has a nuclear program leaves a lot to be desired (see Scott Ritter's evidence) - that is, no gamma-ray emissions coming from anywhere. The evidence is that Iraq *could* have a nuclear program if they owned any enriched uranium/plutonium (which they don't). Anyway, let's assume Iraq is much further down the road to a nuclear arsenal (perhaps like Iran, whose nuclear weapons program has been largely finance by Russia). Now, considering the massive nuclear arsenals of Israel (the only country that's possibly in range using what amounts to Scud missiles). Why would he attack Israel, knowing what kind of retaliation he'd receive? He's not been an evil dictator all this time without knowing how to protect himself. Your govt's interest in Iraq is all about oil - corporate interests come first... the corporate interests of the business cronies and warmongers that make up Bush's cabinet... these old, white, corrupt oligarchs are (to use Dumbya's phrase) stiffing the American people, and the people of the world. The comparison with Hitler and Churchill is so badly-thought-out and so obviously ridiculous, I'm not even going to bother to pull it apart. Cheers Matt >From: "*FS Thomas*" > > > On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Golden Hind wrote: > > > > > So this is my idea for a fitting 9/11 tribute. > > > Ask the world -- "who wants war?" > > > Take everybody out who raises their hands and kill them. > > > > > > Thats a very Feg feeling, isnt it? Especially since the question, which > > > makes war on war, would doom the people who asked it and carried it out. > >Eh. Kay, I respect your disdain for war. I, along with the majority--if >not all--of the people on this list share your feelings. I do not, however, >share your dislike for our government or its posturings on the Middle East. > >Were you to read the newspaper, watch TV, or visit any of the online news >sources (and believed only half of what you see there) then you would come >to a realization: Hussein is unstable. Prior to, during, and after the Gulf >War he has, time and again, proven himself so. Discounting the intelligence >reports of his on-going pursuit of chemical, biological, and nuclear >weapons, you only have to look to his treatment of the UN inspectors in the >time since the war to see you're dealing with someone with something >terrible to hide. The world is faced with a person who gassed an indigenous >minority population and a government whose tinkering with chemical and bio >weapons has been described as haphazard, even reckless. The world, sooner >or later, is going to have to deal with him. > >In the face of a crushing defeat, Hussein signed a treaty. Barely had the >foreign troops left his country when he started breaking the very tenants of >the treaty. If his government's turning away of UN-led inspection teams >from any site deemed a palace (that would, after all, infringe upon their >sovereignty) wasn't enough to justify a renewed campaign, his subsequent >expulsion of those same inspectors is. Prior to this country's current >administration we suffered from what can only be defined as weak diplomatic >and military leadership. That weakness combined with the depths to which >the UN's leadership has slunk* has allowed Iraq's leadership to run >unfettered. Now they are on the brink of becoming a nuclear power. > >At another time in recent history the world's leaders were given an >opportunity to take preemptive action against a rising dictator. A leader >who, while at the helm of his country, was breaking a treaty in order to >build military power. > >Chamberlain >Came crawling from Munich >With one piece of paper >He waved at the camera >Peace in our time >Oh thank you Herr Hitler >Tell that to the Polish >Tell that to the Jews > >Now, Kay (and everyone), I don't encourage military action lightly. I take >into account the lives it would cost on both sides, the resources it would >consume, and the strains it would put on our international relations. Those >associated costs, however, need to be weighed against the intangible cost of >the unknown. If military action now can prevent a 1930's-era Germany rising >up in the Middle East, then it has my vote. If the States have to take >action without approval of the UN and our regular allies, then fine. In >fact, from a militaristic and diplomatic point of view we would be better >off. Accountable to no one while at the same time bearing full >responsibility for our actions and their repercussions. > >I certainly wouldn't wish upon anyone the guilt of knowing that they could >have prevented another regime on par with Nazi Germany from rising, but >stood idly by. > >-f. > >* Take a look at the countries that make up the UN's Security and Human >Rights councils. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:29:48 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: WAS: Fitting Tribute NOW: World views and a touch of RH Ha! Sheik Omar is a nutcase, undoubtedly - stomach-churning with his refusal to condemn the WTC attacks. He was on the radio this morning, but to be honest, I'm not sure we have much to fear from him. His point of view was so sickening that I wondered whether this sort of incitement should be allowed, but I think that he's a lame duck who poses little threat. Of course, I could be wrong - I know that MI5 are just as useless and incompetent as the FBI when it comes to intelligence... Cheers Matt >From: "*FS Thomas*" > >Sheik Omar Bakri Mohammed of the radical group Al-Muhajiroun said the >meeting at Finsbury Park Mosque, titled "Sept. 11, 2001: A Towering Day in >History," argues that the attacks were justified because Muslims must defend >themselves against armed aggression. > >Al-Muhajiroun says its goal is to make Britain an Islamic state. > >---- > >Lovely. Best brush up on your Koran, you UK fegs. > >-f. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:40:22 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Back to Politics China has an enormous nuclear stockpile. India and Pakistan aren't *working* on the bomb, they're working on *using* the bomb on each other... Other nuclear countries include most of Europe, a big, decaying stockpile in Russia and in fact all over the ex-Soviet Union, Iran is close to having nuclear weapons, Israel has loads, so you see that there are many scary countries with weapons of mass destruction. My "most scary" award goes to India/Pakistan right at the moment, though of course this could change at any time... Cheers Matt >From: "Golden Hind" >Isnt China, our economic ally, working on the >bomb? Ar e we going to invade India and Pakistan cause they're >working on the bomb? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:51:59 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Re: WAS: Fitting Tribute NOW: World views and a touch of RH - ----- Original Message ----- From: "matt sewell" > > Your govt's interest in Iraq is all about oil - corporate interests come > first... the corporate interests of the business cronies and warmongers > that make up Bush's cabinet... these old, white, corrupt oligarchs are > (to use Dumbya's phrase) stiffing the American people, and the people of > the world. If our interests were strictly oil-based, then why would we risk our relationship with Saudi Arabia? The most oil-rich country in the world? > The comparison with Hitler and Churchill is so badly-thought-out and so > obviously ridiculous, I'm not even going to bother to pull it apart. How so? If the European nations (sans Germany) had taken action in 1936 the second world war never would have happened. Of course, if the treaty of Versailles hadn't been so vindictive, Germany wouldn't have been so strapped over an economic barrel. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:53:45 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Re: WAS: Fitting Tribute NOW: World views and a touch of RH > Ha! Sheik Omar is a nutcase, undoubtedly - stomach-churning with his > refusal to condemn the WTC attacks. He was on the radio this morning, but > to be honest, I'm not sure we have much to fear from him. His point of > view was so sickening that I wondered whether this sort of incitement > should be allowed, but I think that he's a lame duck who poses little > threat. Is the UK's refusal to allow extradition to Yemen have anything to do with it not being reciprocated, I wonder. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:20:27 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: WAS: Fitting Tribute NOW: World views and a touch of RH With Saudi Arabia, sure, it does have the largest oil reserves in the world, but the government is arguably becoming less stable - it's no coincidence that many of the terrorists who perpetrated the attacks on NY were from Saudi Arabia (like Osama Bin Laden). The Saudi govenment will use hatred of America to deflect criticism away from themselves (they are unelected), also they'll use Islamic fundamentalism in the same way. Iraq is the most secular country in the ME. All it would need would be a friendly dictator or govt (wouldn't have to be elected) and the oil would flow much more stably than it does from Saudi. Should the Saudi govt fall in any sort of coup (and it's a danger, however remote), then the west's oil reserves would be in trouble. The Churchill/Hitler comparison is simplistic to say the least. Hitler was expansionist. Now, in the last decade, has Iraq been expansionist? No. War was inevitable in the case of Hitler's Germany, and he had become militarily so powerful that there was the distinct possibility he could win a war against the allies. This is certainly not the case with Iraq. Iraq's military was pulled apart in the gulf war, and 11 or 12 years of sanctions worldwide will have meant that (even with Saddam allowing his own people to die by putting money into rebuilding the military) Iraq will not have anywhere near the military resources of the US. Cheers Matt >From: "FS Thomas" >If our interests were strictly oil-based, then why >would we risk our relationship with Saudi Arabia? The >most oil-rich country in the world? > > > The comparison with Hitler and Churchill is so >badly-thought-out >How so? If the European nations (sans Germany) had >taken action in 1936 the second world war never would >have happened. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:21:51 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Buggers Mister Wells: >It does; I can vouch that the SE panhandle is a feeding ground. Figured I'd >get used to them after a couple weeks, but boy was that wrong. Yet my vote >for the worst would still go to the Northwoods mosquitos up Boundry Waters >way (yah, hey)...large enough to saddle and transport cargo, and utterly >ruthless. I once saw a UP mosquito eat a fish, whole. No lie. Ah, the Boundry Waters of northern Minnesota. One of the most peaceful places I've seen. Went up there camping when I was 14. The water of the lakes are so clear you can see peoples lost backpacks 50 ft at the bottom plain as day. And I heard the mosquitos eat the bears up there too. In Akron, Ohio where I was raised (hey, my dad the math teacher taught 2 of the members of DEVO in his class), we call them lightning bugs. Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:35:55 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Re: np: great central revisited At Wednesday, 11 September 2002, Stewart wrote: >Mr Rew's disc rocks! > Couldn't agree more. If he were to tour with his own band, I'd certainly go! - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:44:53 +0100 (BST) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Who's side are you on? Side 3 of course. Bayard - I'd go with 'hug', tho' it sounds more like 'huck'. (I feel a Mucky/Bucky coming on...) Just got Side 3 and I reckon it's very very good. If a couple or three songs from here had been swapped onto NDL we'd be talking about a set closer to UM and CoB standards. Narcissus hasn't quite infilitrated my soul yet (if I believed in such things), but I think it will. It's ambitious, but a bit disjointed and suffers slightly from the polite production sound of NDL, nevertheless it's certainly better than a few NDL numbers. Disconnection Of The Ruling Classes is a gem. Musically it's strongly reminiscent of T Rex, and has a highly amusing opening couplet. 'Mt Vesuvius is a member of Slade/ He replaced Jim Lea in the hit parade.' Made me laugh anyway; and fans of Noddy Holder will be glad to hear that he gets a name-check as well. Each Of Her Silver Wands is a sinewy, effective version of the Mossy Liquour filler. Doesn't sound like a bit of throwaway folkie folderol anymore. Om is the killer. Straight into my Soft Boys Top 5. Ska guitar rhythm track overlaid by jet fighter plane feedback and interlaced/ juxtaposed/leavened with and by honeyed melody line, lovely hook and heavenly massed harmonies. Guitars remind me of Screaming Blue Messiahs. I know there are a couple of other Messiahs fans here... Coming Thru' has a good-natured, lope-along, country rock feel, with more than a touch of the Kinks about it. 'We grew up between the wars...' etc. The splendid lyrics - a typically Robynesque mixture of profundity and silliness - don't often scan but spill across the song in generous plenitude. Spike Milligan 'We stood beside his grave - "I told you I was ill..."' Donovan, Acker Bilk, Brian Jones and others are all tipped the hat. Then there's an unlisted snippet of Kimberley Rew trying to get a tearing sound in the studio. It's called Tearing... Evil Guy from the Fillmore sound-check, with Howard Jones on keys sounds voluminously atmospheric. Once more selection policy looks a little strange (see: Jewels/Bram, Mossies, Decoys etc.), but glad that so much good stuff has come out of these sessions over all. And yes Matt, I'll be trying to make Winchester (cue song) joe.mbc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #283 ********************************