From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #261 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, August 16 2002 Volume 11 : Number 261 Today's Subjects: ----------------- More Radio Crap [Tom Clark ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #260 ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: More Radio Crap [Mike Swedene ] Fw: reap ["Mike Wells" ] Re: Fw: reap [Stewart Russell ] reap, repeat [gSs ] Fakin' It / Spoonerizin' It ["Rex.Broome" ] bowie at the shoreline ["drew" ] Opening the Next Door ["Silver Leaf" ] Bowie's flaming lips rush next door! [The Great Quail ] Re: bowie at the shoreline [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Sid Griffin news - Italy, Los Angeles & UK gigs (fwd) [Michael R Godwin <] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:28:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Clark Subject: More Radio Crap I've changed formats! No more RH-only. Nope, now I'm streaming a select playlist of 150+ tracks from my collection. I'll be adding more stuff all the time, as well as making more coherent mixes (i.e., not just randomizing). That's the plan, anyhow. check it out: http://www.denisvengeance.com/radio - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:31:59 -0400 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #260 I have returned! I see almost person mentionned me while I was gone, except for Stewart RUSSELL and that other feg which was to visit Fric but did not. Ah well. Felicitations on Tom's new computer of 850Mhz! But do not place it on top of any 2.5Ghz Pentiums for avoiding of crushing them. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:54:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: More Radio Crap What a play list! Beck - Loser Time: Last 10 tracks played: 21:51:47 Motvrhead - Ace Of Spades 21:48:58 Led Zeppelin - Achilles Last Stand 21:38:33 Buzzcocks - Don't Let The Car Crash Herbie - --- Tom Clark wrote: > I've changed formats! No more RH-only. Nope, now > I'm streaming a select playlist of 150+ tracks from > my collection. I'll be adding more stuff all the > time, as well as making more coherent mixes (i.e., > not just randomizing). That's the plan, anyhow. > > check it out: > http://www.denisvengeance.com/radio > > -tc ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:42:49 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Fw: reap Stewart notes: > Galen & Barbara Rowell Aargh, that sucks. "Mountain Light" is probably my favorite book of photography, and I must have two or three Rowell poster prints up in my house right now. Galen always struck me as extraordinarily gifted, and as someone who set such high standards for himself it was a pleasure to be able to share vicariously in his adventures. Some of his shots from climbing in Nepal still make my blood run cold. I might know a handful of photographers by name, and two have died in the last two months. Weird. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:52:50 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Fw: reap Mike Wells wrote: > >>Galen & Barbara Rowell > > Aargh, that sucks. Especially since it was a plane crash on a fairly mundane trip back from a photo workshop. So very sad, though. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:18:02 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: reap, repeat Dave Williams from Drowning Pool, a local band from Princeton, Tx.. Princeton isn't close to much, except McKinney and Farmersville. But it is in a great position, just above Lake Lavon. Dave was 30 and dating the sister of an ex-singer in my band. My current keyboardist played in a band called solid hate who opened for drowning pool around Dallas in the mid nineties. A fun period, kinda. The drugs, extreme lifestyles like piercing, tattoos, open sexual display and relationships etc... etc... etc... were beyond what I could get confortable with but it was all real interesting. And the music essentially sucked. It was like modern Manson clans with no Mansons. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:47:44 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Fakin' It / Spoonerizin' It Kay: Jeffrey was right about the radio station call-letter motif in my confusing ramblings. The last bit about "W-Kay" was a reference to that weird guy Andrew WK who apparently is somewhat popular and does dreadful songs about partying which sound like, and I think sometimes are, beer commercials. Sigh... sleep deprivation... __________ Jason on Moby: >>He should have just faked it and stood behind a keyboard like Depeche Mode. A long time ago (like 1992 or thereabouts) a friend of mine who didn't play keyboards at all was hired by Moby to pretend to play keyboard on tour. Moby just thought he was cool-looking. So it does happen. Or at least it used to. Damn, that guys's been around for a long time. _________ Spoonerisms: My wife and I turn into "Reagan and Mex" more often than we'd like (just happened 15 minutes ago). Puts one in the mind of an old Ronald Reagan western where he has some Poncho-like sidekick called Mex. Slightly better was when I used to do a lot of film crew work with my friend Simon, and people would call us "Sex and Rhymin'", which sounded like, perhaps, an LL Cool J album. __________ Eb's sort of lukewarm review of the new record made it sound fantastic to me. I really can't wait to hear it. Anyone got a copy of Side Three to vivisect for us? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "drew" Subject: bowie at the shoreline According to the All-Music Guide, I was born the year _David Live_ came out. So it's taken me 27 years to finally SEE Bowie live. I can safely say this was the show for me to see. I got to Area 2 around 7 PM, and had just enough time to stroll into the festival and find my way to the lawn, then call my co-worker's cell phone and meet up with him on the other side of the lawn, before Bowie's set started PROMPTLY (!!!) at 7:30. I was pretty far away, such that a G.I. Joe held at arm's length would still be twice Bowie's size, but hell, I knew what he looked like, and anyway the screens came on halfway through. I was there for the music. He sounded great. His voice was smooth, assured, and engaged. Of all the pop/rock musicians I've ever seen live, I think Bowie looked the most relaxed _and_ enthusiastic. He seemed thrilled to be there and even the songs that are older than I am sounded fresh and of a piece with his new stuff. He didn't stop playing until close to 9:00, so I got a short but full concert for the money I paid. I left immediately after he finished, beating the crowds who stayed for that hack Moby. It was heaven. I'll edit Jason's set list for what I remember of the show. Between that and the songs I scribbled down afterward, I think I caught them all, but they're probably in the wrong order. > 1 life on mars > 2 ashes to ashes > 3 breaking glass > 4 cactus > 5 china girl > 6 slip away 7 fashion > 8 fame > 9 i'm afraid of americans > 10 heroes > 11 5:15 The Angels Have Gone > 12 I've Been Waiting For You 13 everyone says hi > encore 14 a new career in a new town (i think...i don't know the instrumentals so well) > 15 let's dance > 16 ziggy stardust Quail...I cannot thank you enough for posting your review. If you hadn't given this show such raves I'm sure I wouldn't have bothered to investigate and pay the ticket price (a bargain if you like all the bands, steep but worth it if, like me, you just went for Bowie). If he tours again I'm sure I'll go, but if he retires (?!) I can rest happy. - - Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:14:45 +0000 From: "Silver Leaf" Subject: Opening the Next Door Ahhh, radio call letters. Thanks Jeff and Rex. - -------------------- Since Eb merely kicked NL around a bit(so whats wrong with Robyn sounding like Robyn anyway), versus biting it, stomping on it, and then setting it on fire, I say it must be a good record;-) and like Rex, Im psyched. But it does present me with a quandry -- How do you let yourself go? Kay "I wish I was just paranoid" Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:05:14 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Bowie's flaming lips rush next door! Drew writes, > Quail...I cannot thank you enough for posting your review. > If you hadn't given this show such raves I'm sure I wouldn't > have bothered to investigate and pay the ticket price Well, I am glad that my "review" had that effect! But I have to say, it's painful seeing the five-six songs I missed on account of the rain! Although, I would gladly have traded that extra 20 minutes for the show I *did* see, with the lightning and wind and thunder and all, so I won't bitch too much. And Eb, thanks for a great blow-by-blow review. Man, this is turning out to be a FANTASTIC year for new music. I have been playing the shit out of both Rush's "Vapor Trails" and the Lips' "Yoshimi." (Though Elvis Costello and Tom Waits still hold the top slots....) - --Quail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.TheModernWord.com "Doubts of all things earthly, and intuitions of some things heavenly; this combination makes neither believer nor infidel, but makes a man who regards them both with an equal eye." --Herman Melville, "Moby Dick" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:21:59 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: How did we start a linguistics thread? >>>(note that in Maori, 'ng' and 'wh' count as one letter. They are >pronounced >>>like the the 'ng' in singing and as a soft 'f' sound respectively. > >As evidenced also in the Finn Brothers song "Newhai" (spelling >approximate). > >How do those non-intuitive spellings get arrived at? And odder still, why >do they get changed over the years... as in the slide from Mao Tse-Tung to >Mao Zedong, while the Mao stays Mao and never turns into Mow (which >admittedly looks like it should be pronounce "moe", but nobody would ever >write "poppa ooo-mao mao", except perhaps as part of a really strange play >on words)? in the case of Maori, probably because - like English and probably most languages - it's got regional dialects and accents. The Maori equivalent of RP is from the Waikato district around Hamilton in the North Island, but several consonants, especiallyly the 'wh', 'ng', 'k', and 'r' vary a lot around the country. Also some of the sounds didn't really have English equivalents (the 'r' in particular is even more burred than in Scottish), and not all the first Europeans to arrive were English. The Scottish settolers around Dunedin managed to mangle Kirimoko into "Kilmog" for instance. That's the same reason that North America has tribes with names liek Sioux and Iriquois (as discussed here a while back) Because of these reasons (a) standardisation led to a couple of non-intuitive spellings, notably 'wh', and (b) standardisation let some regional variations slip, so that the place names Whangaroa and Rangiora mean the same, respectively, as Wangaloa and Rakiura do further south. I suspect in China it was caused by a combination of regional variations and the fact that many of the sounds are unlike those heard in European languages. An added factor is that accent and word sound do drift over time (which is why Americans don't sound like the English - and probably sound more like the English did a few centuries ago!) James (wondering how this thread ever started) np: Aotearoa - Maranga Ake Ai James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:55:16 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: please tell me this is some kind of dumb joke... from BBC-online: 'Leonardo DiCaprio is likely to star as Alexander the Great in a new film about the all-conquering ancient Greek leader. 'The epic is to be filmed by Moulin Rouge director Baz Luhrmann and has been costed at #100m. 'Producer Dino De Laurentiis told the Hollywood Reporter that DiCaprio, 27, was "such a great actor and can carry that part". 'But Oliver Stone is also believed to be planning to make a film about Alexander, starring Irish actor Colin Farrell.' James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:37:21 -0400 From: Ed Subject: Re: please tell me this is some kind of dumb joke... On Thursday, August 15, 2002, at 07:55 PM, James Dignan wrote: > 'The epic is to be filmed by Moulin Rouge director Baz Luhrmann and has > been costed at #100m. this causes me great cognitive dissonance. i don't get these guys, at all -- one minute you're torturing terry gilliam over $5 million cause 'brazil' is too 'dark,' the next minute you're handing the director of 'el mariachi' and 'from dusk till dawn' $35 million to make a kiddie flick. but this 'alexander' thing takes it to another level -- why would you sink super-mega-blockbuster bucks into the coffers of a slightly whacked, though respected, indie filmmaker? (if his name isn't peter jackson, that is). it's not like the leo guarantees $300 million (which they'll have to hit to break even) -- ever see 'the beach' or 'total eclipse'? yeah, i thought so. ('total eclipse' is a pretty cool little flick, though -- leo as rimbaud. and he's pretty good, too. over wrought, yes, but i bet that's not too far off the mark.) - -ed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:01:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: brooding It's been too damned hot to read my e-mail, much less compose any of my own. And I've been brooding to boot. The Soft Boys concert schedule which someone printed last week completely gutted me. I really don't get it. Why no Boston show? The Paradise gig last March was one of their favorites, I believe, and it was packed. The audience went wild. No? I would venture another NYC trip (like my drive-by incident in April), but my traveling mate Miriam (whom some of you met at the Bottom Line) is moving to Seattle next week, and I'll be a lonely middle-aged rock n roller with no partner in crime. I'm so sad about this. It's good to see you back, Eb. Kay, I can hear Jonathan Schwarz mellow and clear, but I can't remember what station that was. He was an avid Kinks fan, so he has a place in my heart. I'll ask Frank-the-insane-Kinks-fan what station he was on. Spy Kids II was truly awful (I liked Spy Kids I) but the air-conditioning was terrific. What the fuck is Dubyah doing with Iraq, anyway? Someone make him go away quick, please. I'm off to pour ice water down my shirt. Jill, who wishes RH would find more sudden towns to play in ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 21:05:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: bowie at the shoreline On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, drew wrote: > PROMPTLY (!!!) at 7:30. I was pretty far away, such that > a G.I. Joe held at arm's length would still be twice Bowie's > size Now here's a new, fun way to amuse oneself at these sorts of shows: bring enough GI Joes, Barbies, Kens, etc. to match the bands, and wiggle them around in front of you to enhance your viewing experience. Just make sure the folks behind you are weapon-free. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who thinks the '70s/'80s GI Joe would have made a wonderful Freddie Mercury surrogate... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ np: The Beatles _The Esher Tapes_ (calm down - it's only a bootleg) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:05:48 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Sid Griffin news - Italy, Los Angeles & UK gigs (fwd) For all you fans of Gram Parson/Gene Clark fans! Thinking about the late Tim Hardin - - Mike Godwin - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:35:15 -0700 From: Phil Dennison To: Undisclosed.recipients@la.znet.com Subject: Sid Griffin news - Italy, Los Angeles & UK gigs Dear Sid Griffin/Coal Porters/Western Electric aficionados, Sid has some solo shows in Italy and the USA, and the Bluegrass Coal Porters will soon be on the road in the UK again. The Long Ryders DVD is scheduled for a US release later this month, and Sid has been working on several reissue projects, including Gene Clark's 'White Light'. Shows currently booked are: Sid Griffin solo: 18th August 2002 - Florence, Italy - Parterr 23rd August 2002 - Lerici, Italy - Castle of Lerici 4th September 2002 - Culver City, Los Angeles, CA, USA - Cinema Bar 5th September 2002 - Westwood, Los Angeles, CA, USA - Rhino Records The Coal Porters Bluegrass band: 10th October 2002 - Inverness, Scotland - The Maple Court Hotel 11th October 2002 - Glenfarg, Scotland - The Bein Inn 12th October 2002 - Arisaig, Scotland - Astley Hall 13th October 2002 - Edinburgh, Scotland - The Mercat 17th October 2002 - Portsmouth, England - The City Bar 18th October 2002 - London, England - The 12 Bar Club 19th October 2002 - Canterbury, England - The Festival Club 20th October 2002 - Brighton, England - The Greys 23rd October 2002 - Rothbury, England - Queen's Head 24th October 2002 - Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England - The Cluny 25th October 2002 - Aberdeen, Scotland - The Lemon Tree (lunchtime), The Blue Lamp (evening) 26th October 2002 - Leicester, England - The Musician 27th November 2002 - London, England - The Borderline (opening for Tim O'Brien) 30th November 2002 - Manningtree, England - Upstairs at the Red Lion 6th December 2002 - Cheltenham, England - The Lansdown 7th December 2002 - Swansea, Wales - The Chattery 8th December 2002 - Cardiff, Wales - The Theatre All the above and more on the website at: http://www.sidgriffin.com Thanks, Phil. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #261 ********************************