From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #258 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, August 13 2002 Volume 11 : Number 258 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: curious excrescence [Michael R Godwin ] RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #256 ["Bachman, Michael" ] Sometimes I love this world ["Silver Leaf" ] Gram, Gene... ["Rex.Broome" ] warped vinyl, warped personality ["ross taylor" ] Re: Gram, Gene... ["glen uber" ] Gram, Gene, Roger 'n' Ralph ["Rex.Broome" ] Soft Boys [Eb ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #257 ["Russ Reynolds" ] ZAPPA!!! ["glen uber" ] Re: warped vinyl, warped personality [Mike Swedene ] Re: Old Groupie Reunion!! ["The Real Mr. Feg" ] Old Groupie Reunion!! ["Paul Chapman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:59:21 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: curious excrescence > On Friday, August 9, 2002, at 08:47 AM, Stewart Russell wrote: > > At least Wells didn't have the same tentacle fetish that Wyndham did. I > > think he liked them a bit much, know what I mean? Not as badly as F Scott Fitzgerald. Remember "Tendril is the Night"? Oops. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:46:19 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: fegmaniax-digest V11 #256 >>Gram Parsons: me too. The man who introduced Emmylou and her >>harmonies to the world. Their rendition of Love Hurts is surely the >>definitive version of that song. James scribed: >I'm only just beginning to get interested in GP - moving in with a >scissor-like mostion due to by abiding interest in the Byrds and recent >new-found interest in Emmylou Harris. So... the traditional quiestion... >what's a best place to start? James, I would start with the double cd Sacred Hearts & Fallen Angels - The Gram Parsons Anthology on Rhino. It's got most of what you need, the sound is great and it has excellent liner notes. Michael Bachman GP fan since the mid 70's ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:15:03 +0000 From: "Silver Leaf" Subject: Time between Trains On Sunday, driving thru Long Island, I had the pleasue of listening to Jonathan Swartz's radio show(a nostalgic pleasure in more ways than one. Not only is he a great guide to the great American song, but hearing his voice pulls me back to 1969?, going to sleep listening to what was then free-er-form FM rock n roll radio. (Jill, if you catch this post, do you remember which station he was on and when?) Anyway, amidst the wonderful but expected Gershwin, Miles and Sondheim were two absolute gems that blew me away. One was a woman cabaret singer doing a version of the dread James Taylor's "You Can Close Your Eyes." It was amazing how emotionally-resonant her version was(the orchestration was absolutely spot on for the song too-- rich, sweeping Jimmy Webb-style piano) but I can't remember the woman's name who did it? Grrr! She had a high, breathy voice with exquisite phrasing. Does this toll anyone's bell? If so, please ring. The other piece that knocked my socks, shows and bandaids off was by Susan Werner and called "Time Between Trains." I can't tell you how much I loved this. It was FUCKING PERFECT. The lyrics were funny, wry, self-aware, poignent and best of all -- clear but not horribly overstated. In fact, at the end she slips in a great line that turns the song -- and leaves it at that. Dosnt repeat it 5 times to make sure everyone's picked up on it. Im in love. Her Webpage is http://www.susanwerner.com/ Aside from the fact that I live under a middle-age rock, why have I never heard of her before? She's even based in Philly. Also,I would love to hear Schwartz play some of Robyn's more cabaret stuff, not just the obvious like "My Wife and my Dead Wife" or "Got a Message for You," but also deeper stuff like "I Feel Beautiful" or even "Mexican God." since Im sure Scwartz already plays some Coward(Why do I smile when I think of Robyn covering "Mad Dogs and Englishmen?" )so Robyn's Limeyness shouldnt be a problem. - ----------- James, Ive been having a bit of country turn recently too. I went on a Johnny Cash bender awhile ago. I think it may just be that you love music and within - -every- genre there is great stuff. Wait--how about a radio show that just plays great songs -- any period, any genre? But it sounds so logical to me;-) - ----------- Kevin, I just like hearing about beaches. And my wish got fufilled;-) Kay Carpe rutrum _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 14:25:44 +0000 From: "Silver Leaf" Subject: Sometimes I love this world I just signed up for the Susan Werner mailing list. Its adress----Smoe.org! Sometimes this world cracks me up. In a really good way. Woj, looks like you'll -never- get rid of me;-). Kay Carpe rutrum _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:11:43 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Gram, Gene... Melissa >>Gram Parsons is just one of the many things ruined by my time working at that >>bookstore. I was there when that tribute album came out Which one? Probably the more recent, higher profile one ("Return of the Grievous Angel")... I kinda like "Conmemorativo" better; it was issued before Gram-mania hit critical mass. Has anyone else had two full-scale "tribute" albums, not counting blugrass "Pickin' On" records, online fangroup deals, or small-label nobody-you've-ever-heard-of ripoffs? (The two Velvets tributes share too many tracks to count.) James... as a Byrdmaniac you doubtless have "Sweetheart of the Rodeo". You can still find the twofer of "GP" and "Grievous Angel", which, despite so-so sound quality, gives you his studio solo albums in one swell foop. Get that and Flying Burrito Brothers "Golden Palace of Sin" and swim around in that stuff for a while. Oodles of compilations await. >>Ulp... am I going country??? Go, James, go. Not much else to do these days. Anyone else into Gene Clark's solo work? Pound for pound he had the best songwriting output of the original Byrds, for my money. And some of the best tunes of the origingal Byrds lineup for my money. "She Don't Care About Time"... there's a song for ya. Just don't get Gram Parsons and Gene Clark confused and start hunting for fellow ex-Byrd Gene Parsons. Not quite as cool. - -Rex "I Was Country When Country Wasn't Cool" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 13:06:28 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: warped vinyl, warped personality Me/Rex -- >>The GBT are great >>w/ LOL bits of Dylan composing lyrics off the >>top of his wooly head. >I'd love to hear that... I'm happy to trade for blanks (it's tapes I'm afraid) but here is the original source: The Unofficial Bob Dylan Free Tape Library http://freelib.org/dylan/freelib.html Basement Tapes -- http://freelib.org/dylan/67-00-00.html Somehow that site always cracks me up. I think what he does is very useful, perhaps noble, but he seems like a stereotype of a librarian w/ all his trading rules. A wealth of Dylan info & stuff. - --- James-- >If it's onomatopoeic, I don't want to know what happens there. Isn't most of the Hawaiian language like that, pretty strict about always alternating vowels w/ consonants: kloneeoneeolee [sp?], even alternating long & short vowells? I seem to remember hearing that ancient Greek was like that too. I know their poetry was big on alternating long & short vowells -- oh - ee -- ah -- i -- walla walla bing bang. - --- Since Belly has been mentioned, I'm always amazed at how much I loved their/her 1st album & disliked the 2nd. - --- Any record collectors out there-- Is there some modern approach to trying to de-warp a warped vinyl lp? I found a new looking "Sucking in the Seventies" -- very thin vinyl, incidentally-- but it has a major warp that still throws even a weighted needle off as far in as the 2nd track (the only one I wanted to hear). Just wondering if there was some folk remedy I'd never heard of ... Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:37:22 -0700 From: "glen uber" Subject: Re: Gram, Gene... Rex.Broome earnestly scribbled: >James... as a Byrdmaniac you doubtless have "Sweetheart of the Rodeo". You >can still find the twofer of "GP" and "Grievous Angel", which, despite so-so >sound quality, gives you his studio solo albums in one swell foop. Get that >and Flying Burrito Brothers "Golden Palace of Sin" and swim around in that >stuff for a while. Oodles of compilations await. To avoid confusion, the FBB's album is "Gilded Palace of Sin". My recommendations are the same as Rex's. To get the best of Gram & Emmylou, you'll need to hear "Grievous Angel". GP contains some great harmonizing as well, especially on "She" and, my favorite GP/EH harmonies, "Streets of Baltimore". >Anyone else into Gene Clark's solo work? Pound for pound he had the best >songwriting output of the original Byrds, for my money. And some of the >best tunes of the origingal Byrds lineup for my money. "She Don't Care >About Time"... there's a song for ya. Don't forget "Feel A Whole Lot Better". >Just don't get Gram Parsons and Gene >Clark confused and start hunting for fellow ex-Byrd Gene Parsons. Not quite >as cool. Definitely not. He plays the circuit up here in my neck of the woods, most often as part of a GP/FBB/Byrds tribute show. He was actually the headliner at a GP tribute one of my bands was a part of many moons ago. I was less than impressed. >-Rex "I Was Country When Country Wasn't Cool" Broome Geez! I was just humming that song to myself over the weekend. I don't know why, I haven't heard it for at least 10 years. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." - --Frank Zappa glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:10:44 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Gram, Gene, Roger 'n' Ralph Glen: >>To avoid confusion, the FBB's album is "Gilded Palace of Sin". Oops, it sho 'nuff is. >>my favorite GP/EH harmonies, "Streets of Baltimore". Good one. >>Don't forget "Feel A Whole Lot Better". That one, too. >>Gene Parsons plays the circuit up here in my neck of the woods, >>most often as part of a GP/FBB/Byrds tribute show. I gotta admit that, as much of a Gene Clark booster as I am, in his declining years he did a lot of horrible stuff like that, too. A friend of mine gave me a collection of mortifying ex-Byrds video clips... one was Gene Clark on, I think, "Full House" fronting a band called "The Byrds" and looking really, really drunk. At one point it cut to the stars of the sitcom at a table in the audience and one of them mock-earnestly proclaimed "They're still GREAT!!!" (The real treasure on that compilation was a clip of Roger McGuinn playing live on the Ralph Emery show on the Nashville Network. Afterwards he sat down and talked to Ralph, who then made him hold up some kind of plastic Nashville Network belt buckle that you could get if you called an 800 number. Was it deliberate humiliation as revenge for "Drug Store Truck Drivin' Man"? You be the judge.) - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:08:53 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Soft Boys Got a pre-release copy of Nextdoorland today...I'll try to formulate some detailed thoughts on it sometime soon. If anybody has a RH site and wants a scan of their new publicity photo, email me. Eb PS Upcoming good-new-band tip: Hot Hot Heat. Album out in October. Nervous New Wave guitar pop, which may grab you early XTC fans (as well as the Strokes/Hives crowd). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:04:29 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #257 > And then Crazy Mike Godwin wrote: >> * Original Soft Boys fans are few and far between on this list. >> The only one I know is Crazy Unca' Nick Winkworth. For the record, and without having read much of anything on this list for a good month other than this particular post, I'd like to chime in and say that I'm an old Soft Boys fan myself. I don't go as far back as Nick and I certaily never went to any of their Cambridge gigs but I was hooked as soon as I heard "Underwater Moonlight" shortly after its release in 1980. I imagine there must be many others on the list besides Nick who go back farther than me so now that I think of it I'm gonna assume that by "original Soft Boys fans" you're talking about really really old as dirt people who liked 'em before a Can Of Bees was released. Okay sorry for butting in. Going back to my Big Star-Old 97's-Ryan Adams-CCR-Cotton Mather tunes now. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:11:25 -0700 From: "glen uber" Subject: ZAPPA!!! - -- Cheers! - -g- "If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is 'God is crying.' And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is 'Probably because of something you did.'" - --Jack Handey glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:06:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: warped vinyl, warped personality > Since Belly has been mentioned, I'm always > amazed at how much I loved their/her 1st album > & disliked the 2nd. I am in the same boat on this one. the first one blew my mind away. The second, I think fell in to that infamous Sophomore Slump. Oh well... Herbie np -> "rain" Beatles ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:56:23 -0700 From: "The Real Mr. Feg" Subject: Re: Old Groupie Reunion!! Igblan: > I'm afraid I don't recognize the name Nick Winkworth. ...see. I told you he owed me money! ;) >I did maths Part I and Computer Science Part II. I lived at... I'm a Nat Sci guy myself - Whewell's in my 1st and 3rd years - but let's not bore the list with such trivia. I'll email you offline. > I worked for 3 months in Los Gatos in 1984, and went back for > holidays and conferences in 1985, 1988 and 1991. I moved here in '89, so who knows, our paths could have crossed even here. > > ...I even have the poster from the Lady Mitchell Hall gig you > > mentioned scanned on my website! > > And the URL is...? http://www.njaz.com/nick/sboys.htm You can also see what some of this motley Fegmaniax crew look like by checking out my Fegfotos page: http://www.njaz.com/fegfotos (...and yes, I do have a bunch more pictures to post from Robyn's last tour - guess I better get that done before the S'Boys venture out again) "Take it easy, but take it" ~N ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:04:14 +0100 From: "Paul Chapman" Subject: Old Groupie Reunion!! Nick, [I'm having to post this to the group, because your email server rejects mail from mine (see http://spamblock.outblaze.com/212.159.14.223). If you have another email address, email me directly from it.] One name only from your list of Trinity friends jumped out at me: Mark Burton. I shared C1 Angel with him for a few weeks, before he moved out by mutual agreement. We did not get on. :) Sounds as if you were more hooked into the music scene in Cambridge than I was. I don't have any stories of other contacts with The Soft Boys except what I mentioned about bumping into Windsor in Covent Garden. I didn't ever see Hitchcock perform without The Soft Boys. When I recently began exploring on the web, I was surprised that The Soft Boys had done two gigs at The Portland Arms - it seemed unlikely enough that they would do one! Somehow takes away from the uniqueness of the occasion I (we?) enjoyed. I guess finding out that Hitchcock had done solo gigs there beforehand makes it less surprising - they must have had some idea after all of what they were letting themselves in for. I took a look at http://www.njaz.com/nick/sboys.htm. Of great interest to me was the Strawberry Fair programme. I was certainly there that day. I had a camera with me. Up on my kitchen wall I have some photos I took that day. None are of The Soft Boys, because it was after dark when they took the stage, and I didn't use flash. I do have some photos of one of the other bands performing - in particular of the female lead singer and the sax player. Does that ring any bells? (One piece of technology I am lacking is a scanner.) ...Ah, scratch that. According to my calendar, June 10th was a Saturday in 1978, not 1979. I was probably there, but I did not have a camera - I only took up photography in 1979. The photos I have must be from 1979's fair. Also, I note that opening the programme was Out Of The Blue. I haven't seen this name since that time, but I am delighted that I'd remembered it correctly whenever I've had the occasion since to recall them. I also followed them a little. They were a large jazz-funk combo with a brilliant sax player. I remember seeing them at a pub/hall up near the roundabout where East Road meets Elizabeth Way (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=546250&Y=258750&A=Y&Z=1). I also saw the sax player with a smaller group play upstairs at The Rose (?) in Rose Crescent. Lots of woollies and pipes on that occasion. :) Cheers, Igblan ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #258 ********************************