From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #254 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, August 8 2002 Volume 11 : Number 254 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #253 ["Natalie Jane" ] cunning linguists master debate [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Right on! ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Robyn with The Sadies, Winnipeg, July 29 [Gary Four Eyes ] The Shape of States/The State of Shapes ["Rex.Broome" ] soft boys tour dates [guapo stick ] RE: soft boys tour dates ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: soft boys tour dates ["Maximilian Lang" ] Australia and Japan [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Bruce [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: soft boys tour dates II ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: soft boys tour dates II [" FS Thomas" ] Re: Old Groupie [Michael R Godwin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 21:39:18 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #253 >That's how I know it too. A friend of mine calls it the 'nifkin'. >Not sure how it's spelled, but I always loved that word. Ah, another word I didn't learn in my anatomy class... My male high school friends referred to the male equivalent as a "gully," which was also the name of a violent game played during an all-day student jazz band competition when the teacher wasn't looking. > We Michigan folks also call soft drinks pop. (other symptoms of >Michiganitis deleted) Yeah, but I was thinking of *pronounciation*-type things. Maybe there aren't any. We all sound pretty normal, except for Iggy. > > My dad always said that "roof" and "root" are giveaways for Wisconsin. > > "Room" is a giveaway for New England. > >As in, in some cases the shorter vowel is used (like the vowel in "foot") >and in others the longer one (as in "boot")? My dad (who is from Oconomowoc, WI) says that the short vowel is used for "roof" and "root." And my friends from Portland, Maine, say "rum" instead of "room." They also refer to Portland, OR's little roundabouts as "rotaries." Incidentally, Wisconsinites seem to be the only people who say "bubbler" for "drinking fountain" - except that the public drinking fountains in downtown Portland (and *only* those drinking fountains) are also called "bubblers." And remember, folks, it's "Or-ee-gun" and not "Or-ee-gahn." (re. Graham Chapman's autobiography) >How would an autobiography not be "self-indulgent"? Well, it's all relative, but I would say - when it contains at least an attempt at conveying information rather than consisting of a series of over-the-top obvious confabulations interspersed with vaguely factual interludes (most of which, I have discovered subsequently, are also not true). Not that this is a complaint, mind you - it is called "A *Liar's* Autobiography." At least he was... err... honest about it, unlike many... n. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:52:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: cunning linguists master debate On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > > We Michigan folks also call soft drinks pop. (other symptoms of > >Michiganitis deleted) Milwaukee is a strange area in which "soda" predominates despite being surrounded by "pop" advocates in Illinois and Minnesota. > My dad (who is from Oconomowoc, WI) says that the short vowel is used for > "roof" and "root." And my friends from Portland, Maine, say "rum" instead > of "room." They also refer to Portland, OR's little roundabouts as > "rotaries." Oconomowoc, eh? Several years ago, some friends and I ended up there for their 4th of July celebrations (one of them was house- and dog-sitting). We heard a scary band doing hits of the eighties (I remember Billy Squier in particular) and observed some curious bits of signage, like a garbage can which prohibited "fish trash." There was also a fifty-foot-square section of beach which was "private" - we violated the law by sticking our toes into its sand while no one was looking. > Incidentally, Wisconsinites seem to be the only people who say "bubbler" for > "drinking fountain" - except that the public drinking fountains in downtown > Portland (and *only* those drinking fountains) are also called "bubblers." "Bubbler" is, I think, even more geographically limited than that - primarily Milwaukee. Which is, of course, pronounced "M'wawkee" in the state of "W'sconsin." > And remember, folks, it's "Or-ee-gun" and not "Or-ee-gahn." Long "e" in the middle syllable? Never heard it that way! - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Any noise that is unrelenting eventually becomes music:: __Paula Carino__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:40:06 +0000 From: "Silver Leaf" Subject: Caritas, not to be confused with a Disney movie or a carrot up .... Kevin, welcome to delurkdom. Anyone who appreciates the Chrystler building and can use the word hove is appreciated here. But I am curious, how could you have been on Long Island without having ever seen NY's skyline? - -------------------- Drew: >Movies: I'm tired of arguing about them, so I'll state simply that I found Signs watchable and well-presented >but disappointing on every other level Drew, this isnt an argument, its just, per usual, Im curious. How was it disappointing? I've been hoping it would be a goodie. - ------------------------ Imagine the Soft Boys doing "You Aint Goin Nowhere"(the thought of Robyn doing it alone is sigh-worthy, but the thought of the SBs doing it is quadruple sigh-worthy.) Do you think there's any chance they'll do any Dylan covers? With harmonies, sigh, sigh, sigh, sigh. - -------------------------- Jeff >How would an autobiography not be "self-indulgent"? (I am not typing a rant >re the term "self-indulgent" as criticism of art: I think often >people are drawn to artists because their work seems to be revelatory of >some aspects of themselves, so criticism as "self-indulgent" seems >to miss >the point in those cases. That's *why* people like the work of those kind >of artists.) Good, and sensible sub-rant. Self-indulgent is what we call revelations that don't resonate in us ,insightful is what we call revalations that do. The fact that Chapman included "Liar" with all its attendant paradoxes in his title makes me feel indulgent of it. Its propaganda presented as fact that irks me. - -------------- So Scott, does Robyn make several million a year? If so has he considered setting up a charity for distressed wombats or gympy cats? Oh wait-- thats Feg, right;-) Sigh Kay Carpe rutrum _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:59:24 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Right on! On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > surprised to learn Chick Hearn was responsible for the term 'slam > dunk' he gets credit for 'air ball' too. i wonder who coined 'brick'? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 08:45:51 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Right on! At 09:59 AM 8/7/2002 -0500, gSs wrote: >On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > > surprised to learn Chick Hearn was responsible for the term 'slam > > dunk' > >he gets credit for 'air ball' too. i wonder who coined 'brick'? According to this site (http://www.lakerhoops.net/chickhearn.html), Chick was responsible for the phrase "throws up a brick" as well as a list of others. And, it is claimed, he was even "the first to describe the distance of a shot in feet." I grew up listening to Chick Hearn on the radio. At least the last game he announced was a championship victory. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 12:07:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Four Eyes Subject: Re: Robyn with The Sadies, Winnipeg, July 29 July 29 set list addition: > Astronomy Dominie Lucifer Sam > Interstellar Overdrive Gary - --- Gary Four Eyes wrote: > Hot on the heels of their performance at the Calgary Folk Fest, > Robyn > guested with The Sadies at the Pyramid in Winnipeg on Monday July > 29. > I didn't make it to the show, but a friend who did go provided this > list of songs they performed together: > > You Ain't Goin' Nowhere > Astronomy Dominie > Interstellar Overdrive > This Wheel's On Fire > Eight Miles High > Hollis Brown > Maggie's Farm > > Gary > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 04:42:28 +0100 From: "Igblan" Subject: Old Groupie First-time poster. Just found this list tonight. I see from the digest that this looks like a tight-knit and intelligent group (lots of OT stuff :) - I hope you will allow me to join in for a while. I studied at Trinity College, Cambridge, from 1976 to 1979, and was for the first and last time in my life a groupie, attending many of The Soft Boys' early gigs in Cambridge around that time. Among the places I saw them play were: a pub called The Alma a couple of times; the Cambridge Union Society; Trinity Hall (one of the university colleges); the Strawberry Fair on Midsummer Common (during which there was a power failure and we were treated to a 7-minute off-the-cuff drum solo); and, most bizarrely, an entirely acoustic set at the Cambridge Folk Club. That last gig was the most memorable: the beardies were confused - very confused - for the entire first half. The interval was occupied by an open-mic slot, which was, I guess, more 'traditional', although pretty awful. Something clicked, though, as the band returned for the second half, opening with Give It To The Soft Boys, which got a rousing cheer. Hitchcock then decided it was time for one of his surreal, extemporized monologues (does he still do those?), and the crowd began to realize that, while not quite folk music, there was nevertheless something to listen to here. That half also included Anglepoise Lamp, which is one of the few songs I still remember (vaguely). An old friend has some photos of their gig at the Cambridge Union. I've been out of touch with him, but I might email him to see if he still has them and can scan them, in which case I'll put them up on the web and announce the address here. I'm not sure what the line-up was when I used to see them - I wasn't much of a groupie, you see. But I recognize Morris Windsor from photos on the web, and see that he is in the re-formed group. It was his drumming and Hitchcock's lyrics and performances which more than anything else kept me coming back for more. A couple of years after leaving Cambridge and The Soft Boys behind me, I spotted Windsor in Covent Garden in London with what I guess was his little girl. I approached him and asked whether the band was still together - and discovered they were playing the Rock Garden Cafi that evening, and so went along. I think I remember not recognizing the other members of the band, so I guess the line-up had changed. They did a lot of 'new' stuff I didn't recognize, but a couple of oldies kept me happy. I last saw them perform around that time at The 100 Club on Oxford Street. After that, I probably rarely even thought of Hitchcock and The Soft Boys until I read about Jonathan Demme's film, whose appearance both surprised and delighted me. I was glad that someone who had filmed Talking Heads had discovered Hitchcock's unique talent and personality. I never did get to see the film, but at that time surfed the net a bit and found out about The Egyptians and Hitchcock's US career. Then I sort of forgot about Hitchcock again, until earlier this evening, when I was doing a bit of P2P and thought to search for The Soft Boys - of course with no luck. But I tried a Google search, and turned up a whole lot of stuff, including, of course, the news that The Soft Boys had re-formed. And I see they are playing in London in October. I haven't been to a gig for, I dunno, fifteen years? But I think I'll be going to this one. :) Cheers, Igblan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 09:53:22 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The Shape of States/The State of Shapes Enilorac syas: >>Folks from Michigan have that neat hand-sign thing too. They use the flat >>side of their hand to point out where they live in relation to the lake >>(I guess). West Virginians represent our home state with a hand gesture that's a combination of flippin' the bird and thumbin' a ride-- thumb out, middle finger up. It's pretty accurate-- look at the state on a map. I grew up in Mineral County-- the crook of the thumb. _________ Natalie: > Oregonians say "RIGHTon," all one word, instead of "right on" like everyone > else. If you hear someone saying "RIGHTon" then you know where they're > from. I know a lot of people who say this. They're not Oregonians... they're stoners. Or ex-stoners. Took me a long time to figure that out, though. _____ Scott quotin' the NY'er: >>Along with a select few -- >>performers as disparate as Fugazi, Robyn Hitchcock, and Lucinda Williams - -- >>Flansburgh and Linnell enjoy a modest but constant popularity, the >>wonderful state of obscure success Seems to me Lucinda's pretty huge these days. She plays big venues and was even on SNL fairly recently. Her voice turns me on something fierce. ________ Not quite making the cat jump: Several years back I gave a friend a ride to the airport. It started really pissing down rain the way it never does in LA and visibility was nil. I realized that the tape I was playing was "Black Sheets of Rain" by Bob Mould and we decided that was bad juju, so I looked around the car for any other tape to listen to. All I had was... "Underwater Moonlight"!!! Hardly a better omen. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:56:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin.Welton@arm.com Subject: Re: Caritas, not to be confused with a Disney movie or a carrot up .... (sort of) At some time, Silver Leaf wrote: > Kevin, welcome to delurkdom. Anyone who appreciates the Chrystler building > and can use the word hove is appreciated here. Ta. > But I am curious, how could you have been on Long Island without having ever > seen NY's skyline? By flying into Islip (we went to visit my gf's family first). > Kay A different K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 13:34:12 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: banjo men / jumpin' cats Godwin-- >Bells started ringing yet? C'mon Ross, you know exactly the same stuff as me ... Yeah, you know that Indian food you had for lunch was excellent! Well, actually I only have one Ramblin Jack album, & it's the Woody Guthrie one, don't think it has much musician info. Haven't checked, but will. I guess I hung out w/ people into "old timey" country music so much in the 70s it gave me the feeling I'd know a famous banjo player. But I think I got limited by my friends sources, people like Charley Pool & the NC Ramblers, Clarence Ashley, etc. Jed Tanner & the Skillet Lickers! - --- On a similar note my jump the cat story: My Boy Scout troup in the mid 60s had a sorta hip Scoutmaster, who got a couple of young friends to play a folk concert for us on a trip to the Blue Ridge Mountains. Big, starry night around a campfire, they played some traditional, some more popular, like "The Whole World Round" by the Dillards. They did some very energetic song -- "everybody gonna pray! everybody gonna pray! everybody gonna pray to the heavens on the judgement day!" and there was a huge fireball across the sky, scattering bits of itself as it went. They just kept on singing strong & the troop got its cat jumped. Anybody know that song? Minor key, urgent folk circa 1964? Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 14:04:49 -0700 From: guapo stick Subject: soft boys tour dates from : For the 2002 tour: October 21 Atlanta Variety Playhouse October 22 Athens 40 Watt Club October 25 Hoboken Maxwell's October 26 NYC Bowery Ballroom or The World October 27 NYC Bowery Ballroom (to be confirmed) October 28 Chicago Metro October 29 Minneapolis Ist Ave October 31 Seattle The Crocodile Cafe November 2 San Francisco Slims November 4 LA House Of Blues +w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 14:04:37 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: soft boys tour dates It looks like a road trip to Chicago for the Detroit and Toledo crowd. Count me in after I juggle my early October vacation days. Michael - -----Original Message----- From: guapo stick [mailto:woj@smoe.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 5:05 PM To: the big Ebowski; fegmaniax-announce@smoe.org; robynhitchcock@egroups.com; rhclub@smoe.org; vf@smoe.org Subject: soft boys tour dates from : For the 2002 tour: October 21 Atlanta Variety Playhouse October 22 Athens 40 Watt Club October 25 Hoboken Maxwell's October 26 NYC Bowery Ballroom or The World October 27 NYC Bowery Ballroom (to be confirmed) October 28 Chicago Metro October 29 Minneapolis Ist Ave October 31 Seattle The Crocodile Cafe November 2 San Francisco Slims November 4 LA House Of Blues +w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 13:18:51 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: The Shape of States/The State of Shapes On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > Natalie: > > Oregonians say "RIGHTon," all one word, instead of "right on" like > everyone > > else. If you hear someone saying "RIGHTon" then you know where they're > > from. > > I know a lot of people who say this. They're not Oregonians... they're > stoners. Or ex-stoners. Took me a long time to figure that out, though. everyone in oregon might smoke pot. all texans say "righton", except when we really mean it. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:49:56 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: soft boys tour dates >From: guapo stick >>from : > >For the 2002 tour: > >October 21 Atlanta Variety Playhouse >October 22 Athens 40 Watt Club >October 25 Hoboken Maxwell's >October 26 NYC Bowery Ballroom or The World >October 27 NYC Bowery Ballroom (to be confirmed) >October 28 Chicago Metro >October 29 Minneapolis Ist Ave >October 31 Seattle The Crocodile Cafe >November 2 San Francisco Slims >November 4 LA House Of Blues > >+w Maxwell's, awesome. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 11:56:14 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Australia and Japan >James Dignan wrote: >> >> there's an old saying that if you ask an Australian to name their national >> anthem it will tell you where they're from. > >can't be *that* old, can it? When did they change from the Banjo >Paterson poem? ? "Advance Australia Fair"'s been the Aussie anthem for at least half a century, AFAIK. Before that they used "God Save the King" (as did many Commonwealth countries). You've got to wonder about any country whose best known song is about a sheep-worrier, though. >Japan launches compulsory ID network > >TOKYO, Japan (Reuters) -- Japan launched a compulsory ID system Monday >aimed at bringing government into the electronic age in the face of stiff >protests calling it a violation of privacy and a temptation to hackers. > >A group of academics and activists presented the Home Affairs Ministry >with a petition demanding the government halt the program, which links >municipal computer systems and gives each Japanese citizen an 11-digit >identification number...... They shouldn't protest that. They should simply hack the ID numbers of the Prime Minister and his cabinet. Change a few minor (or major) details, and see how long the new ID system lasts. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:16:00 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Bruce Seems I was wrong - Advance Australia Fair has only been the Aussie anthem since 1984, which was in agreement with a referendum held in 1977 (quick off the mark, that Aussie government). Prior to that it was God Save the Queen. Hm. Interesting. The Aussies are always complaining about NZ copying it. Yet NZ first had its (up until then unofficial) anthem played at the Olympics in 1976, one year before the Aussie referendum. And Australia hoisted its current national flag for the first time ten months after NZ hoisted its one. I spot a trend here. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 20:16:55 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: soft boys tour dates II >From: guapo stick > >from : > >For the 2002 tour: > >October 21 Atlanta Variety Playhouse >October 22 Athens 40 Watt Club >October 25 Hoboken Maxwell's >October 26 NYC Bowery Ballroom or The World >October 27 NYC Bowery Ballroom (to be confirmed) >October 28 Chicago Metro >October 29 Minneapolis Ist Ave >October 31 Seattle The Crocodile Cafe >November 2 San Francisco Slims >November 4 LA House Of Blues > >+w A very short tour. Greater New York gets three shows while the rest of the mid atlantic/New England get none... we like them too(I shouldn't complain they are playing in New Jersey). Well, better chance to see a larger concentration of Feggery. Who plans on attending the Hoboken gig? Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:54:56 -0400 From: " FS Thomas" Subject: Re: soft boys tour dates II - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maximilian Lang" > > A very short tour. Greater New York gets three shows while the rest of the > mid atlantic/New England get none... we like them too(I shouldn't complain > they are playing in New Jersey). Well, better chance to see a larger > concentration of Feggery. Who plans on attending the Hoboken gig? I wouldn't be surprised if there's a few more shows added. As far as the NYC concentration, I haven't any problem with that at all... And, yes, I'm intent on Maxwell's. - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 12:48:38 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Old Groupie On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Igblan wrote: > First-time poster. Just found this list tonight. I see from the > digest that this looks like a tight-knit and intelligent group (lots > of OT stuff :) - I hope you will allow me to join in for a while. * Welcome aboard, Igblan! Plenty of intelligence here, but some shortage of tight-knittedness. > I studied at Trinity College, Cambridge, from 1976 to 1979, and was > for the first and last time in my life a groupie, attending many of > The Soft Boys' early gigs in Cambridge around that time. * Original Soft Boys fans are few and far between on this list. The only one I know is Crazy Unca' Nick Winkworth. > Among the places I saw them play were: a pub called The Alma a couple > of times; the Cambridge Union Society; Trinity Hall (one of the > university colleges); the Strawberry Fair on Midsummer Common (during > which there was a power failure and we were treated to a 7-minute > off-the-cuff drum solo); and, most bizarrely, an entirely acoustic set > at the Cambridge Folk Club. * Are you aware of the 'Live at the Portland Arms' recording, which has been variously available on tape, LP and (possibly) CD? It's an acoustic performance in a folk club, very much like the one you describe. > An old friend has some photos of their gig at the Cambridge Union. > I've been out of touch with him, but I might email him to see if he > still has them and can scan them, in which case I'll put them up on > the web and announce the address here. * Yes please! > I'm not sure what the line-up was when I used to see them - I wasn't > much of a groupie, you see. But I recognize Morris Windsor from > photos on the web, and see that he is in the re-formed group. It was > his drumming and Hitchcock's lyrics and performances which more than > anything else kept me coming back for more. * Morris is a fine drummer, and obviously devoted to those Hitchcock songs. My guess is that Andy Metcalfe was on bass, and either Alan Davies or Kimberley Rew on guitar, plus possibly a sax player or something. The 'reformed' band, who played a short tour last year, featured the line-up from their final album (to date) "Underwater Moonlight" which came out in ?1981: Robyn, Morris, Kimberley Rew (guitar) and Matthew Seligman (bass). Most of their set was selected from that record, plus newer material. > And I see they are playing in London in October. I haven't been to a > gig for, I dunno, fifteen years? But I think I'll be going to this > one. :) * You won't be disappointed! On a good night, you should even get the stream-of-consciousness chat between numbers. - - Mike Godwin n.p. Syd Barrett 'Wined and Dined' ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #254 ********************************