From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #253 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, August 6 2002 Volume 11 : Number 253 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: TCM [Tom Clark ] Re: accents, jumping cats [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Making the Cat Jump ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Making the Cat Jump [Kevin.Welton@arm.com] Taint [Kevin.Welton@arm.com] Re: Making the Cat Jump [Steve Talkowski ] bowie? zowie! ["drew" ] Soft Boys in San Francisco [steve howard ] Re: Ascot ve cravat [Stewart Russell ] Re: accents, jumping cats [Stewart Russell ] Re: Pining for the Hordes, at Jones Beach [Michael R Godwin ] Right on! ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: Soft Boys in San Francisco ["Chris Franz" ] reap ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Taint [Ken Weingold ] Re: Right on! [Caroline Smith ] RE: Right on! ["Bachman, Michael" ] re-thinking the twat ["ross taylor" ] earthid.gov [gSs ] Robyn with The Sadies, Winnipeg, July 29 [Gary Four Eyes ] Re: Right on! ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Two Johns and a Robyn -- obscure success [shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunt] Re: Two Johns and a Robyn -- obscure success [Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: TCM on 8/5/02 12:25 PM, FS Thomas at ferris@ochremedia.com wrote: > Without the benefit of the digests handy I don't know > if anyone's mentioned it: Storefront Hitchcock's on > TCM right now. (Stumbled on it when cruising the > channels). Do you mean TMC (The Movie Channel)? It's showing up there and on Starz Cinema in today's listings. TCM says Turner Classic Movies to me, but I don't think we get that channel on our E* feed at work, so I can't confirm. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:51:58 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: accents, jumping cats >I'd love to see a list of words that when pronounced would determine which >State your grew up in (without using any State names). there's an old saying that if you ask an Australian to name their national anthem it will tell you where they're from. If they say Edveents Ostriilia Feer, they're from Queensland. If they say Edvans Usrahlya Feer, they're from New South Wales. If they say Udvaans Estrayla Fair, they're from Victoria. If they say Advawnce Ustralia Fur, they're from South Australia. If they grunt, they're from Canberra. >>That scholarly stuff was just condensed and dried info. Add water >>(imagination >>and love) and watch it come alive. The whole idea of combining wild >>imaginings with scholarly rigor is a stimulating and fertile combination >>of opposites. Left and right brain. >Damn, that's well stated. I second that. Very well put. >I think a cravat is a silk scarf that has been sewn into a diaper-looking >article while an ascot is just a scarf worn tied loosely around the neck, >inside the collar of your shirt. useless but favourite piece of information time: Way back when the Netherlands were the commercial heart of the planet and goods came across sea by sailing ship, the finest sailors on the Mediterranean were from the Dalmatian coast of Croatia. Not only were they good sailors, but they were also good traders, and would bring rare and expensive goods to the merchants of Rotterdam. Because the weather was often hot in the Med, and the sun was burning, the sailors used to wear strips of cloth around their shoulders to protect their backs and soak up some of the sweat. These strips became recognised in the Netherlands of a sign of someone it was worth doing business with, and, after some time, came to be a symbol of trading status. The Dutch named them after the Croatian's name for themselves - Hrvatsa. In Dutch, that became Gravats. Ever since that time, the wearing of a ceremonial strip of cloth around the neck has been seen as a symbol of business acumen, ahtough the Gravats has become a tie, and 'business acumen' tends to involve creative accounting. >I forget her name, but a writer for Spin in the early '90s coined a term for >this feeling - "Making the cat jump." I've used that phrase often since >first reading it, but unfortunately (or maybe fortunately?) those moments >are few and far between. I think the last time it happened to me was on a >plane to Hawaii last year. I was listening to "Tangled Up In Blue" and >during the instrumental coda the plane banked and the islands appeared out >my window. way back in the 80s, I was at a Talking Heads outdoor concert (the same tour that resulted in the Stop Making Sense movie). The band came on at dusk, under one of those heavily overcast skies where the clouds almost but don't quite reach the horizon. Talking Heads started up the intro to "Burning Down the house, and as they did a sliver of sunlight started to fill the gap between the base of the cloud and the horizon and bathed everything in fiery yellow-orange. That made the cat jump. The only other time I recall that at a concert was on what was then believed to be the Chills' farewell concert. 1000 people filled Dunedin Town Hall, and when Martin Phillipps et al finished the show with "Submarine Bells", the last note of the song faded out to about a second of total silence, before the transfixed audience started cheering. That one second was perhaps the eeriest 'sound' I've heard at any rock concert. It felt like mass hypnosis. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:11:45 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Making the Cat Jump Tom: >>I think the last time it happened to me was on a >>plane to Hawaii last year. I was listening to "Tangled Up In Blue" and >>during the instrumental coda the plane banked and the islands appeared out >>my window I recall the first time I drove into Vegas... it was really late, I was listening to a mix tape, came over the hill and saw the lights just as "Grey Cell Green" by Ned's Atomic Dustbin came on. Seemed really appropriate at the time. Now it just seems dated. Kay: >>Is "Book of Love" early 60s then? Umm, no, that would count, too, right there on the same two-disc set. I just don't remember anyone answering the '50's question at all... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:39:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin.Welton@arm.com Subject: Re: Making the Cat Jump At some time, Tom Clark wrote: > I think the last time it happened to me was on a plane to Hawaii > last year. I was listening to "Tangled Up In Blue" and during the > instrumental coda the plane banked and the islands appeared out my > window This one's worth delurking for. My first trip to New York was during the Memorial Day long weekend last year. The Chrysler Building is, IMO, one of the most beautiful anywhere, and I couldn't wait to see it "in the flesh". Approaching Manhattan from the Long Island Expressway that Saturday evening, the unmistakable skyline hove into view, Chrysler Building front and centre, just as the climax of some firework show was erupting over the top of it. Fan-chuffing-tastic! K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 22:44:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin.Welton@arm.com Subject: Taint While I'm here, I'll just point out that no-one has followed up on Natalie's mention of "taint" being used as slang for "perineum". My understanding is that it comes from the fact that 'tain't pussy and 'tain't arse neither. I'll go now. K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 00:02:01 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Making the Cat Jump Honestly, I really don't see what the big deal is - i make my roommate's cat jump every time when quickly opening the front door! - -Steve ; P ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 17:37:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "drew" Subject: bowie? zowie! I'm so envious, Quail -- I don't know why I didn't get my act together to see him. I loathe Moby but I just love Bowie more and more year after year and I'm sure I can't wait forever to finally see him live. On the other hand, I'm seriously thinking about skipping this Soft Boys show. I caught the earlier one, I don't like Slim's, and I don't like the new songs I've heard so far. I've seen Robyn six or so times in the past six years and four of those were in the past two years. So I don't know. Movies: I'm tired of arguing about them, so I'll state simply that I found Signs watchable and well-presented but disappointing on every other level, and the new Austin Powers to be no less entertaining than the previous installments (and I realize it's just a matter of taste, but I'll take Beyonce over Liz or Heather any day of the week). Drew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 20:23:11 -0700 From: steve howard Subject: Soft Boys in San Francisco Is also the only us date listed in pollstar.com..... Is Slim's really that bad? The last time at the Fillmore, I didn't care for the no seats seating, except for a few tables on the side balcony where we were close enough to the beginning of the line to get into, but not close enough to get a table where we could see the band, so we occasionally went over to have a look and just enjoyed the listen. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/02 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:25:00 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Ascot ve cravat Silver Leaf wrote: > > In the U.S., ascot means cravat. let's not forget that cravat is derived from Croatian. Stewart (who enjoyed the third Austin Powers movie the appropriate amount.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:28:07 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: accents, jumping cats James Dignan wrote: > > there's an old saying that if you ask an Australian to name their national > anthem it will tell you where they're from. can't be *that* old, can it? When did they change from the Banjo Paterson poem? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:00:22 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Pining for the Hordes, at Jones Beach On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, Silver Leaf wrote: > Rex: > >Robyn covering '50's tunes: > > Is "Book of Love" early 60s then? No, you're right, it's 1958. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:36:41 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Bring me news of a banjo man ... > Godwin-- > >a Derroll Adams tribute CD On Mon, 5 Aug 2002, ross taylor wrote: > Hm. "The most influential banjo player on the European Continent." > I'm afraid those last two words are why I've never heard of him. Derroll Adams? You have. Born Portland, Oregon, Nov 1925, played with Woody Guthrie and Rambling Jack Elliott, toured Europe with RJE in the 1960s and decided to stay behind when RJE returned to the States. Donovan wrote "Epistle to Derroll" about him. Big influence on Billy Connolly's banjo playing: Billy tattooed his hand in imitation of Derroll. http://www.eharmonica.net/derroll_adams.htm Short reminiscence by Dick Gaughan here: http://www.dickalba.demon.co.uk/chain/derrol_a.html And apparently he even appears in 'Don't Look Back': http://www.filmfestival.gr/docfestival/2000/music_uk.html http://www.expectingrain.com/dok/who/a/adamsderroll.html Bells started ringing yet? C'mon Ross, you know exactly the same stuff as me ... - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:25:59 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: Right on! >Any dead give-aways for the Northwest and South would be most >helpful. Oregonians say "RIGHTon," all one word, instead of "right on" like everyone else. If you hear someone saying "RIGHTon" then you know where they're from. So what's the dead giveaway for Michigan? I've heard people saying there's a "Michigan accent" but I don't think my accent's different from yer standard American. We do say "eh?" a bit more, being so close to Canada... My dad always said that "roof" and "root" are giveaways for Wisconsin. "Room" is a giveaway for New England. >Though I may not be Eb or gNat, I would like to offer up a small >review of >a fantastic concert.... Be glad you're not me, Quail. That sounds like an awesome show!! >Well, on the one hand, there's the hoary old >tradition of the old biddies gathering around >& regaling the young wife w/ horror stories of >their labors which are highly unrepresentative. That's just the flipside of telling mothers that contractions won't hurt - it's giving them unrealistic expectations either way, which will make for a birth experience which is far more unpleasant than it really needs to be. In Graham Chapman's autobiography ("A Liar's Autobiography" - very funny if rather self-indulgent) - he said, "Births would be much easier if all grandmothers had their lips sewn shut." >On the other hand, a hippie friend of mine once >decided to celebrate her labor with a big >party (she was doing it at home w/ a midwife). Yeah, probably not a good plan... I wonder if she thought she was going to be up and at 'em through the whole labor. Maybe she'd been reading "Spiritual Midwifery." I don't want to dis Ina May Gaskin too much - her book was very influential in popularizing homebirth and there's some really good information in it. But still... >I think the last time it happened to me was on a >plane to Hawaii last year. I was listening to "Tangled Up In Blue" >and >during the instrumental coda the plane banked and the islands >appeared out >my window. The first time I went to Seattle, one of my sampler tapes was playing on the car stereo, and just as "Only the Stones Remain" kicked in, the car rounded a curve on the highway to reveal the great glass towers of the city glittering in the sunset. Yow. n. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 09:42:59 -0700 From: "Chris Franz" Subject: Re: Soft Boys in San Francisco steve howard: >Is also the only us date listed in pollstar.com..... Is Slim's really >that bad? The last time at the Fillmore, I didn't care for the no seats >seating, except for a few tables on the side balcony where we were close >enough to the beginning of the line to get into, but not close enough to >get a table where we could see the band, so we occasionally went over to >have a look and just enjoyed the listen. I quite like Slim's, in fact, but if what you're looking for is seating with a good view of the stage you may be disappointed. It's a bar with a rather South of Market warehouse feel and a lot of standing room in front of the stage. It's nowhere near the size of the Fillmore, and for that reason I wouldn't wait until the last minute to get tickets. - - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 10:42:42 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: reap Chick Hearn LA Lakers sportscaster ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:22:02 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Taint On Mon, Aug 5, 2002, Kevin.Welton@arm.com wrote: > While I'm here, I'll just point out that no-one has followed up on > Natalie's mention of "taint" being used as slang for "perineum". > > My understanding is that it comes from the fact that 'tain't pussy and > 'tain't arse neither. That's how I know it too. A friend of mine calls it the 'nifkin'. Not sure how it's spelled, but I always loved that word. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:28:24 -0400 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: Right on! > From: "Natalie Jane" > Reply-To: "Natalie Jane" > Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:25:59 -0700 > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Right on! > > > So what's the dead giveaway for Michigan? I've heard people saying there's > a "Michigan accent" but I don't think my accent's different from yer > standard American. We do say "eh?" a bit more, being so close to Canada... > Folks from Michigan have that neat hand-sign thing too. They use the flat side of their hand to point out where they live in relation to the lake (I guess). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:38:02 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Right on! > From: "Natalie Jane" > Reply-To: "Natalie Jane" > Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 09:25:59 -0700 > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Right on! > > > So what's the dead giveaway for Michigan? I've heard people saying there's > a "Michigan accent" but I don't think my accent's different from yer > standard American. We do say "eh?" a bit more, being so close to Canada... > We Michigan folks also call soft drinks pop. We also eat pasties (meat pies the size of your hand, from Cornwall, they have potatoes, rutabagas, meat, onion in a pastry shell). Pasties, especially popular in the Upper Peninsula, leads us to the whole U.P. sub-culture. Da Yoppers really talk dat funny talk up der above dat bridge, eh buckoo! Oh course, they call us trolls because we live under the bridge. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 14:48:41 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: re-thinking the twat From Village Voice interview w/ Steve Coogan & Tony Wilson of Factory Records, who Coogan plays in "24 Hour Party People": STEVE SAID HE DIDN'T WANT TO STITCH YOU UP, TONY. BUT THE BRITISH MARKETING FOR THE MOVIE FEATURED A PICTURE OF STEVE AS YOU, WITH THE WORD 'TWAT' SPLASHED ACROSS IT. TW: I approved that! SC: People in the north of England express affection by insulting one another. Northerners are not touchy-feely. TW: Except when they're on E. SC: But there's great civic affection for Tony. Peter Hook of New Order said that the film is about the biggest twat in Manchester being played by the second biggest twat in Manchester. Which I thought was lovely. TW: That's how it is in Manchester. You just don't praise your mates. http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0232/gilbey.php - --- Ross Taylor Lightning over NY -- that's it, I'm buying "Heathen" Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 14:44:49 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: earthid.gov Privacy advocates angry about 'Big Brother' aspects August 5, 2002 Posted: 10:23 AM EDT (1423 GMT) Japan launches compulsory ID network TOKYO, Japan (Reuters) -- Japan launched a compulsory ID system Monday aimed at bringing government into the electronic age in the face of stiff protests calling it a violation of privacy and a temptation to hackers. A group of academics and activists presented the Home Affairs Ministry with a petition demanding the government halt the program, which links municipal computer systems and gives each Japanese citizen an 11-digit identification number...... http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/08/05/japan.identification.reut/index.html?related ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 16:20:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Four Eyes Subject: Robyn with The Sadies, Winnipeg, July 29 Hot on the heels of their performance at the Calgary Folk Fest, Robyn guested with The Sadies at the Pyramid in Winnipeg on Monday July 29. I didn't make it to the show, but a friend who did go provided this list of songs they performed together: You Ain't Goin' Nowhere Astronomy Dominie Interstellar Overdrive This Wheel's On Fire Eight Miles High Hollis Brown Maggie's Farm Gary ______________________________________________________________________ Post your ad for free now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 15:28:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Right on! On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > Oregonians say "RIGHTon," all one word, instead of "right on" like everyone > else. If you hear someone saying "RIGHTon" then you know where they're > from. I never hear anyone say "right on" unless they're auditioning for a walk-on in the next Austin Powers movie. So perhaps saying that *would* be a giveaway... > My dad always said that "roof" and "root" are giveaways for Wisconsin. > "Room" is a giveaway for New England. As in, in some cases the shorter vowel is used (like the vowel in "foot") and in others the longer one (as in "boot")? But which is which? I genuinely am not sure which I use, although I know the short vowel exists/has existed in my language for all three. However, if "root" is a verb, it definitely has the long vowel - "root" with the short vowel would only be the noun. > In Graham Chapman's autobiography ("A Liar's Autobiography" - very funny if > rather self-indulgent) - he said, "Births would be much easier if all > grandmothers had their lips sewn shut." How would an autobiography not be "self-indulgent"? (I am not typing a rant re the term "self-indulgent" as criticism of art: I think often people are drawn to artists because their work seems to be revelatory of some aspects of themselves, so criticism as "self-indulgent" seems to miss the point in those cases. That's *why* people like the work of those kind of artists.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, posting from some suburb of Rochester, NY on vacation visiting Rose's sister, bro-in-law, and niece and nephew. J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Some see things as they are, and say "Why?" ::Some see things as they could be, and say "Why not?" ::Some see things that aren't there, and say "Huh?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 15:15:58 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Right on! At 03:28 PM 8/6/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >I never hear anyone say "right on" unless they're auditioning for a >walk-on in the next Austin Powers movie. So perhaps saying that *would* be >a giveaway... While I don't encounter it every day, I do hear this phrase from time to time. In fact, I'm fairly certain I use it occasionally myself. Then again, I do live in Southern California, and everybody down here sounds like they're auditioning for something, baby. I'm attending an Area 2 show featuring Bowie in exactly one week. I bet there won't be lightening, but I'm looking forward to it nonetheless. - --Jason "surprised to learn Chick Hearn was responsible for the term 'slam dunk'" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:24:16 -0400 From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: Two Johns and a Robyn -- obscure success Interesting article in the Aug 12 New Yorker on TMBG (among other tidbits, it puts their annual gross income between one and two million dollars -- dang, should have taken up the accordian) which mentions Robyn: "They probably won't ever get filthy rich, but they do earn a comfortable living doing exactly what they want to do, which makes them the envy of many far more commercially successful artists. Along with a select few -- performers as disparate as Fugazi, Robyn Hitchcock, and Lucinda Williams -- Flansburgh and Linnell enjoy a modest but constant popularity, the wonderful state of obscure success." It's one of the more enjoyable puff pieces I've read in a while. Scott ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 22:36:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Two Johns and a Robyn -- obscure success On Tue, 6 Aug 2002, Scott Hunter McCleary wrote: > Interesting article in the Aug 12 New Yorker on TMBG (among other > tidbits, it puts their annual gross income between one and two million > dollars -- dang, should have taken up the accordian) As in, the annual gross of the whole operation, from which they pay other band members and manager and so on? Last weekend I saw Gigantic, the TMBG documentary, and lord was it mediocre. Pretty much anything featuring either of the Johns held one's interest, but countless clips of vapid people saying dull things provided the meat of the movie. Only recommended for fans with time on their hands. (It's true I'm a big fan of theirs and may have had too-high expectations, but the associates I saw it with are more casual about the band and liked the movie even less, so conclude what you will.) a ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #253 ********************************