From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #246 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 30 2002 Volume 11 : Number 246 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: C'mon you apes! You wanna live forever? [R Edward Poole ] Not Again, Again ["Michael Wells" ] Re: I think you missed something [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Robynesque? (NR maybe, but some RD) [steve ] Re: Robynesque? (NR maybe, but some RD) [Stewart Russell ] RE: Not Again, Again ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Not Again, Again [gSs ] violent digestive system response ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: violent reproductive system response ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Not Again, Again [Stewart Russell ] Are the Soft Boys by definition a softcore band? ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Yow (NR) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Globe and Mail review [barbara soutar ] smegmaniax! ["drew" ] Cumquats(Rated R) ["Silver Leaf" ] Re: Robynesque? (NR maybe, but some RD) [Tom Clark ] Re: [RobynHitchcockClub] Calgary Folk Festival [Tom Clark Subject: Re: C'mon you apes! You wanna live forever? I *hated* _Starship Troopers_, Ah, one of my favorite movies to defend! I love "Starship Troopers." I'm sorry I missed this discussion when it was actually happening (but my employers doubtlessly feel different) -- it is also one of my favorites to defend. On Monday, July 29, 2002, at 01:06 PM, The Great Quail wrote: > In fact, the one scene in which a > reporter even dares to question the aggression of the Bugs -- "Some say > that > our encroachment upon their space has turned them hostile" -- is met > with > ridicule, and immediately dismissed. I think this is a bit more important than you credit, because: (a) it demonstrates the 'party line' imposed on all levels of their society, including (especially) the media; and (b) it is probably true -- the 'some say...' construction, in the context of a fascistic society, almost certainly means 'the truth that the government isn't telling you is...' If that is right, then the bugs' war on Earth is either self-defense, retribution, or some combination of the two (such as a prophylactic genocide launched out of a mixture of revenge & 'there isn't room in this galaxy for the both of us, so you've gotta go -- before you destroy us.') I don't see how this movie could be read as anything other than satire -- I mean, Doogie actually admits that the infrantry was sent into the meat grinder/invasion on klandathu to test the bugs' response -- while KNOWING that they would be slaughtered. How can this be glorying in the violence for its own sake? yes, the way it was filmed was designed to appeal to that element of the action movie crowd -- but, apart from the marketing consideration (which did a terrible injustice to the film, presenting it as exactly that sort of action flick, without touching on the satire at all), that struck me as a type of trojan horse for the unawares audience -- get them thinking that the movie was a big ahrnold-bruce-claude kiss ass fest & cheering the goals of the autocratic state, only later to reveal that the audience has been duped by the same sort of propaganda as the characters/citizens. Ultimately, however, I agree with Jeffrey: if this didn't come across, Verhoeven didn't do his job. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:54:29 -0400 From: R Edward Poole Subject: Re: C'mon you apes! You wanna live forever? On Monday, July 29, 2002, at 09:49 PM, R Edward Poole freudian slipped: > get them thinking that the movie was a big ahrnold-bruce-claude kiss > ass fest 'kick ass' was intended. as was 'jean-claude.' although I admit that a 'kiss ass' fest might be entertaining. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:26:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: gnatcore On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > gnat "what the hell is 'foxcore'?" the gnatster This was, I believe, Thurston Moore's contribution to his efforts to portray himself as a way-cool, down-with-the-nineties-feminist-aesthetic type guy that he surely thinks he is - his name for music produced by all-female bands. (So, uh, is their "bullcore" as produced by all-male bands?) I hope Kim kicked his ass. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing.... ::As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. __Neal Stephenson, SNOW CRASH__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:34:11 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Not Again, Again Well, since he won't tell us himself where he's playing this fall, I think we can now safely infer a pattern thanks to our friends from the deep... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020729/ap_on_re_us/strand ed_whales For those keeping score, this means Robyn will be playing: a remote beach in New Zealand, La Jolla (CA) and Cape Cod (MA). Better get those frequent flier miles ready. I hate to think what signal awaits Chicago, a mass beaching of 4" crappies? Anything that's managed to survive in Lake Michigan probably ought to stay there anyway...it's safer there than on land. Michael "gone fishing" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:45:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: I think you missed something On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Poole, R. Edward wrote: > -- to me, good trash, but trash nonetheless), but I think you've missed the > boat here. > It sounds to me like you turned the flick off (or walked out) half way Actually, I did see the whole thing: once, about a year after it came out. So my memory may well have misplaced huge chunks of detail. My main memory is how I felt at the time watching it - and usually, I'm reasonably perceptive about the dif. between character's p.o.v. and any ironic difference that audience is supposed to pick up on. I'm guessing either I felt Verhoeven wanted to have it both ways, or it was clumsily enough done that I don't remember the other side. Thing is, we watched it *expecting* it to be pretty lame: a bunch of us used to get together and watch lame-o movies - I think we were suffering MST3K withdrawal. So it's not as if I was expecting a masterpiece... So: how about that Robyn guy! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:52:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Mike T. Watt's foray into big-hair AOR balladry On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > My irritation is primarily with the sloppiness of journalistic criticism... > I don't really bemoan the coining of these types of phrases (which often > involves a certain amount of cleverness), but I think a lot of writers just > copy them from each other without the slightest thought about what they're > expressing. So my beef isn't really with shifting meanings... it's actually > with plain old sucky writing. And willy-nilly usage of misguided shorthand > is often an indicator that some bad writing is going on. All you can really > do is look at the context to decide whether someone's being clever or... > um... stupid... Yep. And actually I pretty much agree with you...you should hear me go off whenever I read some idiot using one of my pet peeve phrases "thirtysomething" (substitute decade as appropriate): why the hell should the name of a decade-gone tv show get used to describe people of whatever age? And the running-together of the words, the apparent vagueness as to actual age...hmmmmph. "People in their thirties," say I, or whatever other sort of generational indicator might be relevant to the article. If it's about music, be specific: "People whose teens were full of hair metal bands," say. It's laziness: instead of finding a phrase that describes what you want, that's relevant to what you're talking about, you use the lamest, most cliched phrase you can find. Bad enough that writers do it in the first place - worse that editors let it go. (insert rant re Ann Coulter: not re politics but idiocy; to wit: "invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity" to effect that one can't convert dead people or Coulter doesn't know how to use pronouns, shifting their referents willy-nilly. Where was her editor? Staring up her skirt? And how about them Crusades?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:55:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Horrific profanity on classic children's TV > how come no-one's mentioned Poe? But you just did. Oh. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:16:22 -0500 From: steve Subject: Yow (NR) > As rock 'n' roll wears itself out, "Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots" is > the sound of valiant ragpickers threading the scraps together with > wispy pop glue, handing up a gentle thing of vaguely identifiable > pieces and parts; something simultaneously familiar and foreign, both > beautiful and completely odd. Suffering neither from irony nor from > overwrought context, "Yoshimi" is a record that can -- and must -- live > outside of its time and place. > > -- Jason Ferguson The rest of the short review is at http://www.salon.com/ent/music/review/2002/07/30/listen3/index1.html - - Steve, who thinks YBTPR stomps the crap out of the highly overrated YHF. __________ "Miyazaki's latest animation feature (co-winner with 'Bloody Sunday' of the Berlin Golden Bear) more than justifies his status as Japan's most revered culture hero. What starts out as a fine example of the through-the-looking- glass kids' adventure genre becomes almost Shakespearean in its lyricism, breadth of vision and humanity." - Tony Rayns, Sight & Sound ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:25:54 -0500 From: steve Subject: Robynesque? (NR maybe, but some RD) http://slate.msn.com/?id=2068588 I'm reading this and I get down to the bottom and it says Photographs by Tabitha Soren and I think, "The Tabitha Soren?," so I do as search and find - http://artists3.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/cocksocket/ and the 8th song down is Love Ballad For Tabitha Soren. Charming band name, btw. And I've thought of the reason that all Fegs should go see Lilo & Stitch. When big sister Nani takes Lilo to the animal shelter and tells the lady that they need something sturdy, Lilo says "Like a Lobster!," so she obviously must be a Feg in waiting. That and her homemade doll Scrump, who has only a week to live. - - Steve __________ We've Got A Fuzzy Box, And We're Gonna Use it. Start saving your pennies folks. The fuzzy warbles series now numbers 12 albums. The first two will be appearing in October, Andy and Colin will be compiling and mastering shortly, I've heard some of the stuff and its fantastic. Tracks like Young Marrieds, All The Peach Songs, Wonder Annual, Art Songs (Something Good With Your Life), Im The Kaiser, we're talking about 250 tracks in total. - Idea Records, 06/21/02 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:33:38 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Robynesque? (NR maybe, but some RD) steve wrote: > > And I've thought of the reason that all Fegs should go see Lilo & > Stitch... A good reason, but Fegs should just go and see it anyway. Tender, funny, and quirky as all-get-out. One kept expecting Cobra Bubbles to "get medieval on yo' ass", for he is voiced* by the same Mr. Rhames. Stewart *: I hate that, but it's written now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:55:08 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Horrific profanity on classic children's TV On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, James Dignan wrote: > >My feeling is that (U.S) people largely avoid > >it because it feels like hate speech toward > >women. In fact when I've heard it used, it's > >usually like that. > > you only use it towards women in the US? Weird... 'cunt' is actually used to describe men and women in the us, but 'dick' is rarely if ever used to describe a woman. the word 'cunt' is considered extremely derogatory, especially when used against a female, unless you are having sex with her. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:59:40 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Horrific profanity on classic children's TV On Tue, Jul 30, 2002, gSs wrote: > 'cunt' is actually used to describe men and women in the us, but 'dick' is > rarely if ever used to describe a woman. the word 'cunt' is considered > extremely derogatory, especially when used against a female, unless > you are having sex with her. Really?!? I can call a girl I'm having sex with a cunt and it will be okay? Awesome! - -Ken, gathering the bedroom battle armor.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:19:58 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Horrific profanity on classic children's TV On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Ken Weingold wrote: > Really?!? I can call a girl I'm having sex with a cunt and it will be > okay? Awesome! each girl is a unique field study and some don't like it, at first. the key is the evil eye twinkle. once you see that, you can pretty much call her anything. jeez, didn't you learn this stuff in high-school? if you never see the evil eye twinkle you use words like bunny, puddin' and garden. if you can't think of anything to stay then it's usually not hard to find something to put in you mouth, during sex. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:19:35 -0400 From: John McIntyre Subject: Re: tenser, said the tensor Natalie Jane wrote: > Oh yeah, that is SOOOOO boring. Let's just kill 'em! They're EVIL! > There's an old SF story called "Arena" where some omnipotent aliens pit Our > Hero against a member of an evil aggressor race... who is TOTALLY EEEEEVIL > so Our Hero just KILLS IT and EMERGES TRIUMPHANT!!! Ugh... yawn. A > throwback to the time when characterization was an afterthought. It sounds like you're describing the Star Trek adaptation more than the original story. Yes, the characterization of the alien was limited to "it's evil", but it was a short story told from the human's point of view who's been stuck in a kill or be killed situation and finds a rather ingenious and courageous solution to the problem. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@pa.msu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:18:35 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: Not Again, Again Mr. Wells wrote... >I hate to think what signal awaits Chicago, a mass beaching of 4" crappies? >Anything that's managed to survive in Lake Michigan probably ought to stay >there anyway...it's safer there than on land. I managed to rescue a 23 1/2 pound King Salmon from the west side of South Manitou island a couple of weeks ago when I was on vacation. Parts of it currently reside in my freezer and fridge. Hopefullly Chicago can put up enough barriers so that the Asian carp don't infest the Great Lakes and put an end to sport fishing. Somehow I can't see going on a Asian carp charter in Lake Michigan. http://www.freep.com/sports/outdoors/outcol11_20020411.htmake Michael B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:39:35 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Not Again, Again Bachman, Michael wrote: > > I managed to rescue a 23 1/2 pound King Salmon ... > Parts of it currently reside in my freezer and fridge. Have you ever considered a career in the rescue services? I'd advise against it ;-) Stewart (picturing an eerily silent dog rescue place) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:51:51 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Not Again, Again On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > Stewart > (picturing an eerily silent dog rescue place) the other, other, other white meat? good thing he doesn't run a battered women's shelter. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:15:08 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: violent digestive system response >>gnat "what the hell is 'foxcore'?" the gnatster > >all females bands, i think UGH!! UUGHHHHH!!! UGH UGH UGH UGH!!! (cue vomiting noises) Oh, but wait - what if the girls aren't "foxy"? What is it then - "slagcore"? "dogcore"? Oh man, I hate music journalists. I hate 'em so. n p.s. C'mon, what's wrong with "cuntcore"? Or is this veering dangerously in the direction of "cunt rock"? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:58:32 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Not Again, Again At 09:34 PM 7/29/2002 -0500, Michael Wells wrote: >For those keeping score, this means Robyn will be playing: a remote beach in >New Zealand, La Jolla (CA) and Cape Cod (MA). Better get those frequent flier >miles ready. Hmmm.... this could be possible. It's not like Robyn hasn't played in La Jolla (at UC San Diego) before. Landlocked fegs may want to pay attention to other strange, non-aquatic 'animal signs,' like billy-goats raining from the sky or packs of wolves taking up residence in the offices of entertainment industry executives, just in case Robyn's not just attempting to communicate to us through patterns of sea-life behavior, but manipulating the entire animal kingdom in order to pass along his messages. I'm scanning the News sites right now. I found a story on a lion in a Scottish zoo fornicating with its sister (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=573&ncid=757&e=1&u=/nm/20020730/od_nm/zoo_dc_4). I'm not sure if that counts, but perhaps Glasgow is in line for a visit from Robyn as well. - --- Jason Thornton "I can offer nothing This nothing's everlasting" -- David Sylvian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:59:42 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: violent reproductive system response At 08:15 AM 7/30/2002 -0700, Natalie Jane wrote: >C'mon, what's wrong with "cuntcore"? I prefer the term "clit-pop" myself, simply because it rhymes with "brit-pop." - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:03:36 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: a florida show for Robyn? Not sure if this counts... the female manatees aren't stranded, they're just attempting to escape all the horny males: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=570&ncid=753&e=1&u=/nm/20020730/sc_nm/environment_manatees_dc_5 - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:24:57 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Not Again, Again Jason R. Thornton wrote: > > I found a > story on a lion in a Scottish zoo fornicating with its sister Glasgow Zoo's the sort of place that gives zoos a bad name. Unless it has turned itself around in the last ten years, it's not anywhere I'd want to visit. > but perhaps Glasgow is in line for a visit from Robyn as well. The Bungalow Bar crowd always extend a warm welcome. It'd be just like the thing if he became a Glasgow regular just as I don't. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:37:34 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Are the Soft Boys by definition a softcore band? Natalie: >>"what the hell is 'foxcore'?" Someone said "all female bands" which is pretty much correct, but I seem to remember the term first being applied when L7 was in the ascendant; maybe the Muffs were tagged that way too... Sonic Youth's festival notes for All Tomorrow's Parties mentioned that lack of time prevented them from including any bands from the "burgeoning nude-core movement". We assumed it was a joke, but ya never know... >>> I never use "twat" because... err, I don't know how to pronounce it. And then Rob: >>Around here it is pronounced so as to rhyme with 'at'. Hmmm, in the US, it rhymes with "ought". James on the "C" word: >>you only use it towards women in the US? Weird... It's actually more often used in the anatomical sense. Less frequently towards women as a more extreme form of "bitch", whereas my sense of the non-gendered UK usage seems more like "worthless person" or some such (just saw "24 Hour Party People" and that's how it sounded in that). It's really probably the most verboten of all swear words over here. The only female anatomical term often used towards males is "pussy" to mean "spineless, wimpy person". It seems like that usage is becoming a little more acceptable in broadcast terms (thanks to the Sopranos?), but in the anatomical sense, it's still pretty much off-limits. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:23:08 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Not Again, Again and Yet Again Must mean two shows in Cape Cod... http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=science&cat=whales_and_whaling And where Shub-Niggurath surfaces, I'll wager that's the album pre-release party location. Michael "angry shrimp invade Denver" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:37:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Yow (NR) On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, steve wrote: > The rest of the short review is at > > http://www.salon.com/ent/music/review/2002/07/30/listen3/index1.html > > - Steve, who thinks YBTPR stomps the crap out of the highly overrated > YHF. Young Hausfrau? Dammit, people: provide clues for these abbreviations... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Some see things as they are, and say "Why?" ::Some see things as they could be, and say "Why not?" ::Some see things that aren't there, and say "Huh?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:00:31 -0700 From: barbara soutar Subject: Re: Globe and Mail review Hi, This message is directed mainly to Stewart... who also sent in a copy of the Toronto review of Robyn's concert. I'm checking that newspaper every day to see if they printed my cynical letter to the editor regarding the firing of the head of Ontario Hydro Corporation. Yes, I stick my nose in everywhere. As for there being a Seattle Soft Boys show, I can't imagine how I could get to see it but it's within the realm of possibility considering where I live. I'm sure you could hop over the Ontario border somewhere to the States if you want to see them! I notice you enjoyed the Stripes disc on the Robyn Sings CD... the song It's Not Dark Yet is truly a great version. Yet I tend to disagree with the Toronto reviewer who interprets this song as being partly about angst about aging... it may or may not be but I doubt that's how it was originally intended by Dylan! These summer days I am listening to The Bangles who are very energetic, I'm kind of borrowing their energy. The CD is called All Over the Place and I got it on sale, somehow I had never heard the whole thing before and can't stop listening to it. To the person who reviewed the Calgary show (Rocky, I believe) - along with two 9 year olds - highly enjoyed the story you told! Robyn sounds very whimsical and spontaneous, but I guess that's obvious from his music. Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:12:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "drew" Subject: smegmaniax! Spooky coincidence dept.: I'm walking to the rental office last night to pick up my Amazon package (containing _Lord of Light_ by Roger Zelazny, _The Minority Report and other stories_ by Philip K. Dick, _2001: A Space Odyssey_ on DVD, and _Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots_ on CD), and I look up at the guest house, and what are my fellow residents watching on the big-screen TV? Starship Troopers. > From: "Natalie Jane" > > I never use "twat" because... err, I don't know how to pronounce it. I've heard it used so rarely that I've never figured it out. It rhymes with "taught," of course. > I think Bester's women are unusually well-drawn, for the times. The accidental telepath in "The Stars My Destination" (a black woman, no less), the hysterical murdered man's daughter in "The Demolished Man"... Of course, they're all adjuncts to the male heroes, but thems were the times. Perhaps it was the rapist hero you mentioned that bothered me. I can't remember now. Something to do with the women, either Bester's attitude or his protagonists'. > From: "Rex.Broome" > The whole phenomenon is seriously one > of the reasons I never really embraced "Red Dwarf"-- not only did they make up a cuss word, they ran it into the ground. "Smeg" is about the only one I like...I think of it as short for "smegma." I never was a big Red Dwarf fan, though...it's pleasant but always felt really claustrophobic to me. > From: "Silver Leaf" > Why is it some word play is word play My friend (who is fairly active in -- let's not mince words -- kinky circles) and I have a running joke about the word "play," which among sex geeks is often appended to just about anything you can think of. There's "role play" of course, but also "bondage play," (forgive me) "ass play," and so on. Basically if you've sexualized something, the act of doing so is some form of "play." So we joke about "nostril play," and of course "work play" (pretending to have office sex) and "play play" (no freakin clue). ...well, _we_ think it's funny. > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > See, I get a bit irked at these sorts of threads - because they assume a character of language as static and literal, anti-metaphoric, when it's anything but. Well, this is true, particularly in English, but it doesn't stop some neologisms from being annoying as hell (even if they _are_ perfectly grammatical and etymologically sound). > (even though I hate the word "stylings," while we're at it). Me, too. Could someone explain to me what the hell "foxcore" is? Drew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:24:40 +0000 From: "Silver Leaf" Subject: Cumquats(Rated R) I must have been born with the evil glint in my eye, cause if in the throws of all-consuming passion a guy were to say something brilliant like "I love fucking your garden" I gotta admit he'd find himself outside alone and without his pants on very quickly. However, if in the middle of a public garden he yelled something dashingly romantic like "Come on you cunt" he would also find himself alone equally quickly and, if I was in a bad enough mood to begin with(and there were a few other evil glint females around), equally pantless. Context is all. But no matter what guys say about how its no big deal, most woman notice this. In a public context, if a guy calls another human being a piece of female anatomy, its an insult ranging from affectionately demeaning to utterly hostile. If in a public context, a woman calls another human being , lets say another woman, a piece of male anatomy, no one really knows what she means. Example, I call Nat a cock. Hey Nat, you cock you. To tell you the truth, I have no idea what message Ive just conveyed to Nat. It may have been an insult, but if so only a slight one. And one I trust she'll forgive of me. So just for the record. I dont like that. I dont think most woman do. I dont like that one of the most precious bits of all my bits is an insult. In short, I think it sucks. (Notice a pattern here.) (Cunt is almost as loaded as word as nigger. The only person you can call a cunt with impunity is yourself. Otherwise, its an organ, not a person.) Kay, whose always has pronounded twat to rhyme with cumquat, a word she likes using for her own precious bit. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:32:17 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Robynesque? (NR maybe, but some RD) on 7/29/02 10:25 PM, steve at steveschiavo@mac.com wrote: > http://slate.msn.com/?id=2068588 > > I'm reading this and I get down to the bottom and it says Photographs by > Tabitha Soren and I think, "The Tabitha Soren?," Yup. She's married to the author. His book, "Next: The Future Just Happened", is pretty interesting. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:46:30 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: [RobynHitchcockClub] Calgary Folk Festival on 7/29/02 5:16 PM, guapo stick at woj@smoe.org wrote: >> My Wife and My Dead Wife - during this song the heavens opened up and >> we all got drenched. Robyn then improvised a song called "When the >> Rain Comes", and offered everyone tissues! Would that be the Beatles' "Rain"? - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #246 ********************************