From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #245 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, July 29 2002 Volume 11 : Number 245 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: C'mon you apes! You wanna live forever? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] grumpathon! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] gnatcore ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: tenser, said the tensor ["Rob" ] I think you missed something ["Poole, R. Edward" ] Mike Watt's foray into big-hair AOR balladry ["Rex.Broome" ] Fwd: I think you missed something [R Edward Poole ] Horrific profanity on classic children's TV [grutness@surf4nix.com (James] Re: Horrific profanity on classic children's TV [Ken Weingold ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:26:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: C'mon you apes! You wanna live forever? On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Jonathan Fetter wrote: > I read the book a long time ago without giving it too much attention, > but I seem to remember that all attempts at diplomacy with the bugs > had been completely fruitless, and the war had come down to total > annihilation of the losing side. Something about two expansionist > civilizations not being able to coexist. I seem to remember Heinlein > lamenting that after all the dreams of humanity meeting intelligent > extraterrestrial life, we had to end up meeting these bugs. So I didn't > have any trouble with the depiction of the bugs as single-minded or > with human callousness towards the bugs. None of that was, if I recall, in the movie. Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:28:42 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: C'mon you apes! You wanna live forever? Jeffrey, > I can see the possibility of reading the movie satirically Well, not to argue interpretations, but it does have a satirical element to it -- it is more than a possibility. This is one of Verhoeven's stated intentions. Indeed, he studied Nazi and fascist paraphernalia as source material for costumes and sets. > But that's just it: there's never "such an invasion." Barring a literal > invasion of gigantic alien killer space bugs, real enemies always have > points of view of their own, and your side (whatever it may be) never has > a monopoly on right and justice. > So ST presents a false problem: no real battle situation could ever > require such a blind and ruthless regard of "the enemy" (though propaganda > *always* attempts to render enemies thus). You are placing everything in a human system of ethics. The battle in ST is extra-human: it is a struggle of survival between competing *species.* For all we know, a hive-mind race of insects will have an ethical system that is totally incompatible with ours. I mean, imagine that: another species engaging in a genocidal war for survival. That to me is a very scary SF conceit, and although there are shades of ambiguity allowed in ST as to who started the conflict, it is clear that Verhoeven places the struggle in a Darwinist framework. (Although again, Verhoeven limits our information by making the film satirically one-sided -- the story was filmed in the style of propaganda. The viewpoint of the "other" is not recognized or permitted.) > And actually, here's your satire: the *humans'* actions towards the bugs > are every bit as single-mindedly deadly and brutal as those of the bugs > toward the humans. Yes! Exactly, that's the point. > I do distinguish between "right-wing" and "fascistic" (even though I'm one > of them there lefties)... Of course; I did not mean to imply that they were indistinguishable. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:33:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Right-wing proggie villainy! On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > Can I tempt you with a copy of "I fell in love with a starship trooper" > by Sarah Brightman and Hot Gossip? Or Glenn Brown's painting of the same name? a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:54:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: grumpathon! On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, The Great Quail wrote: > Well, not to argue interpretations, but it does have a satirical element to > it -- it is more than a possibility. This is one of Verhoeven's stated > intentions. Indeed, he studied Nazi and fascist paraphernalia as source > material for costumes and sets. Studied too well, I'd say. To me, then, he didn't do a good job, satirically - as the satirical intent (though I wouldn't consider such binding) didn't adequately convey itself to me. > > But that's just it: there's never "such an invasion." Barring a literal > > invasion of gigantic alien killer space bugs, real enemies always have > > points of view of their own, and your side (whatever it may be) never has > > a monopoly on right and justice. > > So ST presents a false problem: no real battle situation could ever > > require such a blind and ruthless regard of "the enemy" (though propaganda > > *always* attempts to render enemies thus). > > You are placing everything in a human system of ethics. > engaging in a genocidal war for survival. That to me is a very scary SF > conceit And here's where differing readings (or, to irk Kay, "reads") of SF come into play: the audience for the film is humans, now (then) - not giant bugs, etc. That is, one common way to read SF is to view it metaphorically, as speaking to our world today, albeit w/some features exaggerated, or w/new ideas incorporated, etc. Another, of course, is to view it more or less w/in a SFictional mindset: "what if...? And yes, *if* there were a race of mega-imperialistic giant killer alien bugs with genetic imperative to kill, conquer, and destroy, it would be scary, and it would be difficult to fight, because *our* civilization doesn't work that way. Or at least, many would argue that it doesn't: the fascist response is that, in fact, it does, and we're in denial when we claim it doesn't, and that we'd all be better off facing up to, and acting upon, such tribal blood-urges. (This is the comic-book Nietzsche version, of course.) But poor poor practical me, I persist in thinking that, scientifically, it's so damned unlikely that any such race exists (probably), that any such race would come into contact with us if it did (definitely), that I can't get my pretty little head all lathered up about the possibility. Instead, I see the film, and I see the obvious use of Nazi-derived propaganda techniques, and I wonder who in the film is supposed to be our, the audience's, focus, and I conclude that it seems downright fascistic - even if there's an element of satire there, it sits uncomfortably with what goes along way towards being an endorsement of that which it satirizes. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. ::I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! __"raus"__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:01:37 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: gnatcore >A few others unique to music criticism are the suffix "-core" (cf. >"sadcore", "foxcore", etc.) I really hate this. I guess it comes from "hardcore" (as in the musical form) - I think it was originally used to indicate that the music had a punk or hardcore element to it, e.g. "emocore." Now it's become pretty much meaningless... used to indicate any ostensible "movement" of music without regard to its style. How is "sadcore" different from "depressing music"? I dunno. Kindercore adopted the name as a parody, of course. gnat "what the hell is 'foxcore'?" the gnatster _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:13:02 +0100 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: tenser, said the tensor On 29 Jul 2002 at 11:11, Natalie Jane wrote: > >I find myself reacting much more to a female > >Canadian friend's rather libertine use of the word "twat." > > I never use "twat" because... err, I don't know how to pronounce it. I've > heard it used so rarely that I've never figured it out. > Around here it is pronounced so as to rhyme with 'at'. Reminds me that an overseas branch of the firm I work for uses the first initial plus surname when creating email addresses, so a certain individual is twatkin@ - this has lead to many sniggers amongst the more juvenile of us. - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:18:26 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: I think you missed something jeffrey w/2f's: I *hated* _Starship Troopers_, though it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Not necessarily on technical or plot grounds (although it was pretty lame there) but simply that its whole point of view is pretty simply fascistic. Its treatment of violence was positively pornographic (and I'm not some Nervous Nellie who fits at violence - hell, I liked _Pulp Fiction_ etc.). It pretty much glorified might and violence for their own sakes. As for the giant bugs: I think it's interesting that the movie's writers (and maybe Heinlein for all I know - he pisses me off too...) made them so blindly and single-mindedly evil, with no sort of motivating purpose etc., thereby allowing you to simply cheer. A better movie at least offers *some* glimpse of the bugs' p.o.v. I mean, I probably wouldn't care about the bugs' p.o.v. if the rest of the movie hadn't sucked so horribly. me: I won't waste a lot of breath defending this flick (lord knows it is trash - -- to me, good trash, but trash nonetheless), but I think you've missed the boat here. The qualities you point out (glorifying violence, single-mindedly evil bugs), are the P.O.V. of the fictious society depicted in the film (and esp. in the propaganda spots embedded in the film). These are the messages that are fed to the characters & eagerly lapped up by same (by the dim-witted Capar van Diem mimbo; in a different sense, also by Doogie Howser -- but he operates at a higher level, becoming part of the propaganda machine itself). In fact, the film's audience is shown that these messages are lies. The violence is not w/o costs, is not full of "glory," is not "heroic" -- it is senseless butchery (of man and bug alike). Lines like the recruiting sargeant who says "mobile infantry made me the man I am today," as he offers his artificial hand for a shake & the camera pans to reveal both of his legs missing -- clearly show that there is some other message at work here. As for the bugs -- again, the one-dimensional evil bugs are only found in the propaganda (and as mouthed by characters who swallow it whole). As the movie develops, you find out that the reason that the evil bugs attacked earth in the first place was that humans attempted to colonize (and probably exterminate) the bugs' home planet. The film clearly (if clumsily) tries to set up a parallel between what humans think about the bugs and what the bugs (likely) think about humans -- both perceive the "other" as an invading force, a colonizing & destructive pestilence spreading through the galaxy. It sounds to me like you turned the flick off (or walked out) half way through -- and I can understand that, given that everything you criticize is true, until the third reel when many of those viewpoints are revealed as highly subjective & mostly propaganda. finally -- as I said before, 'reign of fire' doesn't even go this 'deep.' ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:26:51 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Mike Watt's foray into big-hair AOR balladry Michael: >>I also said onlist that Kate Winslet should >>be worked over with a "firehouse" which, despite possibly being even more >>fun than the "firehose" I intended, was still wrong. The same problem gets records by Firehouse stuck in the bin with fIREHOSE albums. Big difference, capitalization notwithstanding. The Kristin/John Doe alternating-tunes set was fun... they had a kind of running conversation and inspired each other's song choices in a cool way. However, they didn't play *together*, which was too bad. I missed the Kristin/Vic pairing (no good excuse comes to mind) but I think there was more interplay as they did a whole tour together whereas the Doe gig was a one-off in LA. (Kristin says she doesn't "jam" but I did see her do some folk tunes with Howe Gelb which was also cool). >>You know, poor Virginia gets misspelled more often then any other state I know... A ha! It was WEST Virginia I misspelled, not Virginia. As everybody know, it is illegal in West Virginia to spell *anything* correctly. ______ Jeffrey: >>what's the difference between "dialoguing" and, uh, "conversing"? And I have no >>clue what's the dif between a "disconnect" and a "disconnection." Fair enough, but since we've usually "had" both a "dialogue" and a "conversation", the real analogy is between "dialoguing" and "conversationing". But you're right, linguistic drift just happens; I think those two example irk me more for the KIND of people who use them (generally business airheads trying to sound erudite) than anything else. >>And "avant" was a metaphor to begin with in "avant garde" (no "e" in >>"avant" please); I only included that because I see it frequently written as such... but given the following, why should you care?: >>I get a bit irked at these sorts of threads - because they assume a >>character of language as static and literal, anti-metaphoric, when it's >>anything but... The problem here is that you're assuming people coining such >>phrases are >>bothering to look up the etymology (same w/whoever was complaining about >>"morphing"), whereas what they're actually doing is taking the key element >>of the *word*, truncating it w/out regard for whether the truncation has >>its own meaning, and affixing it to other words. (etc.) Okay, I was clearly coming off as more a language fascist than I meant to be... My irritation is primarily with the sloppiness of journalistic criticism... I don't really bemoan the coining of these types of phrases (which often involves a certain amount of cleverness), but I think a lot of writers just copy them from each other without the slightest thought about what they're expressing. So my beef isn't really with shifting meanings... it's actually with plain old sucky writing. And willy-nilly usage of misguided shorthand is often an indicator that some bad writing is going on. All you can really do is look at the context to decide whether someone's being clever or... um... stupid... Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:16:14 -0700 From: guapo stick Subject: Fwd: [RobynHitchcockClub] Calgary Folk Festival >To: RobynHitchcockClub@yahoogroups.com >From: "kevi055" >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:31:11 -0000 >Subject: [RobynHitchcockClub] Calgary Folk Festival > >Great Day! It started with my daughter, Natalie, spotting Robyn >around 1:00, running up to him, and asking him if it was Mucky or >Bucky the pig in "Queen of Eyes". He was extremely friendly, and went >on to explain that it was indeed Mucky, and that it had been a >favourite squeaky toy of his daughter, Maisie, and that later it had >crept into one of his songs. > >Met Mr. Rocky Greenwood, fellow member of this club, resplendant in >purple "Jewels..." t-shirt. Always great to meet another fan, he got >a miniature guitar signed by Robyn. The first workshop was a round- >robin with Robyn playing last of 4 performers. His first song >was "Not Dark Yet" which he sang in this kind of subterranean >register, very very low. He seemed to be watching the other >performers with a kind of bemused look on his face, but did >contribute some guitar picking to a song by Lynn Miles, a Canadian >singer. His second and last song was a rousing version of "De Chirico >Street" - it was the turn of the other performers to look bemused! My >daughter and her friend were able to get autographs - one was a >drawing of clouds - Robyn said "If ever you're feeling sad, just look >up at the clouds". The other was a big pointed arrow. He said to my >daughter "If you get lost, just point this arrow and it will take you >in the direction you want to go". These 2 nine year olds were a bit >starstruck, I think, and clutched onto these autographs for the rest >of the day, as if their lives depended on it. On a sadder note, Robyn >said the Soft Boys wouldn't be including Canada in the tour starting >in November. He did say "Seattle's not that far" - so that's probably >where I'll end up seeing them. > >The second workshop was more interesting as it included Nick Lowe and >this rockabilly guy from Arkansas called Sleepy La Beef. Robyn was >the MC for this one, and started by saying this was the first time he >had met Nick Lowe - I was hoping he'd do "Clean Steve", but no such >luck. He did contribute some very enthusiastic blues-harp to Sleepy >La Beef's songs and also played on Nick Lowe's "I Knew the Bride >(when she used to rock n roll)". Robyn's first song was this bluesy >thing called "You can't judge a book by it's cover". The second song >was a pretty straight version of "Arms of Love". He saved the best >till last with a great rendition of "Sleeping With Your Devil Mask", >which had Nick Lowe laughing all the way through, especially when he >sang "my mother's second name is Joyce". All in all, a great set. > >The mainstage performance ran from 7:15 - 8:00. Set List: > >Gene Hackman (done very very slow) > >Cynthia Mask > >Uncorrected Personality Traits - first time I'd heard him do this > without the Egyptians > >Silver Dagger > >My Wife and My Dead Wife - during this song the heavens opened up and >we all got drenched. Robyn then improvised a song called "When the >Rain Comes", and offered everyone tissues! > >Madonna of the Wasps > >Unprotected Love > >At this point he remembered that he had never finished "Dead Wife" >cos of the rain - so played the last verse and chorus. > >Satellite > >Serpent at the Gates of Wisdom > >Yip Song > > >So, great day - Robyn was in fine voice and a good time was had by >all, well me, Rocky, my daughter and her friend anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:05:12 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Fwd: [RobynHitchcockClub] Calgary Folk Festival "kevi055" wrote: > > He did say "Seattle's not that far" it's bloody miles from here. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: gnatcore Natalie Jane wrote: > >A few others unique to music criticism are the suffix "-core" (cf. > >"sadcore", "foxcore", etc.) > > I really hate this. I guess it comes from "hardcore" (as in the > musical form) - I think it was originally used to indicate that the > music had a punk or hardcore element to it, e.g. "emocore." Now it's > become pretty much meaningless... used to indicate any > ostensible "movement" of music without regard to its style. How > is "sadcore" different from "depressing music"? I > dunno. Kindercore adopted the name as a parody, of course. the first time i heard -core used like this was the term sadcore, some time around 1989-91, in reference to Galaxie 500, and I always took it to be joke -- that you had a band (and I would assume it was used towards the likes of American Music Club the same way at the same time) making music that was almost aggressively non-aggressive and sad; that it was obviously informed by punk, but very opposite of punk in terms of sound and aesthetic, especially of hardcore punk. so, since i've always thought of -core as a joke, so it's never bugged me much. I do want multiple runs batted in to be called RBIs though. ESPN talking heads going on about "he had 6 RBI" make me want to go to Bristol CT and starting punching people, unless they are going to start also saying batters flew out to end the inning. > gnat "what the hell is 'foxcore'?" the gnatster all females bands, i think ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:23:44 -0400 From: R Edward Poole Subject: Fwd: I think you missed something > jeffrey w/2f's: > > I *hated* _Starship Troopers_, though it was one of the worst movies > I've > ever seen. me: > > I won't waste a lot of breath defending this flick (lord knows it is > trash > -- to me, good trash, but trash nonetheless), but I think you've missed > the > boat here. ummm, sorry. didn't know I was repeating (more or less) stuff that Jeffrey & Quail had been discussing, until I got home & read what had gone before. sorry. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:33:21 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Horrific profanity on classic children's TV Ross took the brightest colour crayon he could find, drew a biiig decorated frame, and inside it he scrawled: >Blue Peter -- > >As w/ many things on this list, I quickly jumped >over to Google & searched it. All I learned was >that it's a British TV show, it's been around >for ages, there's some contest in connection >w/ it, and it has a terribly designed & >uninformative website. if doesn't help, then should. Those two sites are mines of info in TV shows. >A reasonably intelligent person (well, an >attorney) very ernestly told me the origin of >the word was a early bit of code, we would now >call an acronym, used by constables: felonius >unlawful carnal knowledge. I didn't have time >to argue, but I do think it's enuf older that >those words wouldn't have had those forms. >Anybody else heard this origin? a very commonly believed urban myth. It's more likely to come from the Old English work Fyckan (sp?), meaning something like 'to strike'. >Cunt -- > >My understanding was that D. H. Lawrence was >largely responsible for reviving this old form. > >My feeling is that (U.S) people largely avoid >it because it feels like hate speech toward >women. In fact when I've heard it used, it's >usually like that. you only use it towards women in the US? Weird... I'm very impressed to see a model of car called the "Quint". Obviously the manufacturers don't realise that that's an older form of the same word. >My favorite dirty acronym: Can't Understand Normal Thinking There's a NZ band called Claire's Un-Natural Twin. >> Wendigo -- >> As a teenager I used to like Algernon Blackwood more than about >> anybody, so I may have to dig up that bio, Kay. My fav story was "The >> Willows" but I read most of them. Prompted by the list, I read a >> couple of M.R. James things to my daughter over the weekend -- "Lost >> Hearts" and "Casting the Runes." His scares may be scarier, but they >> don't seem quite as rich. I like a lot of those early 20th c. horror >> writers, esp. Sheridan LeFanu. But I never liked Walter De La Mare, >> he always seemed too atmospheric, a tease. how come no-one's mentioned Poe? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:10:53 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Horrific profanity on classic children's TV Speaking of profanity for children, check this out. I love taking stuff like this into Photoshop and messing with it, but this needed nothing at all. I shit you not. http://www.hellrot.org/seuss.jpg - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:30:55 -0700 From: guapo stick Subject: Fwd: [RobynHitchcockClub] Re: Calgary Folk Festival >To: RobynHitchcockClub@yahoogroups.com >From: rocky_greenwood >Delivered-To: mailing list RobynHitchcockClub@yahoogroups.com >Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:55:15 -0000 >Subject: [RobynHitchcockClub] Re: Calgary Folk Festival >Reply-To: RobynHitchcockClub@yahoogroups.com > >Great review, Kevin. > >It was a pleasure to meet you and some of the other fegheads >including Renee. > >Robyn played one more set on Sunday afternoon with the Sadies, Peter >Case and the Ann Loree trio. Robyn had cut his finger earlier that >day and, as a result, left his guitar at the hotel. He played "air >slide guitar" on the first two songs and then borrowed a Fender >Telecaster and a bottleneck slide from the Sadies for the rest of >the workshop. Here is the setlist: > >- Easy Chair - Robyn's second Dylan cover of the festival sets >- Astronomy Domine - Wow! This was a blisterning version of the >Barrett / Pink Floyd oldie complete with Barrett "flying" that >seemed to freak out Ann Loree and her trio >- Sulperdee (?) - I had not heard this song before and it was hard >for me to make out the title. Hopefully, someone out there can help >me out on this one >- Lucifer Sam - Another Barrett / Pink Floyd cover that was the most >surprising song of the festival. Robyn mentioned that the Barrett >songs tend to attract demons so the audience should be careful. > >The Sadies made a great backup band and sounded like they have >played the Floyd songs before. They are also a great band that sound >like a cross between Elvis and the Ramones playing in the genre of >Clint Eastwood's "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly." > >As Kevin mentioned, Robyn was very gracious and personable. He was >happy to sign my travel guitar (which I will post a picture of if >anyone is interested) and talk a bit about the new Soft Boys album, >recent travels and the novel which he said his agent is having >trouble getting a publisher to commit to because they think it >is "too weird." He said the book could be released as a children's >story if it weren't for all of the adult content - whatever that >means. He did say not to worry though because "All things come out >eventually." > >Overall, the festival was great with some amazing performances. And >where else would you see Robyn walking around with his guitar and >chatting with fans? I especially enjoyed the last two workshops >where the performers actually interacted rather than just taking >turns. Robyn seemed really relaxed playing harmonica and guitar on >other people's songs. One of the staff members told me that Robyn >lead a group of performers including Nick Lowe through a rousing >version of "Kung Fu Fighting" in one of the private tents on >Saturday evening. During his main stage set earlier that same night, >he did a great job working a crowd of about 6,000+ people most of >whom had probably never heard of him. > >As a side note, Robyn seemed to get a lot of publicity in some of >the local papers including a blurb in the Calgary Sunday Sun who >wrote "Hitchcock is that crazy Enlish uncle who buys you liquor when >you're 16 and then proceeds to site down with you and your friends >and consume most of it. But while he's doing that, he's telling you >the most amazing observations about life that would make exactly no >sense coming out of anyone else's mouth but his." > >It was a bit expensive making the trip, but I can say that it was a >really great experience and I would do it again in a heartbeat. > >- Rocky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:48:03 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: tenser, said the tensor on 7/29/02 2:13 PM, Rob at rob@nimbus.demon.co.uk wrote: > Reminds me that an overseas branch of the firm I work for uses the first > initial plus surname when creating email addresses, so a certain individual is > twatkin@ - this has lead to many sniggers amongst the more juvenile of us. As long as we're sharing... The company my wife recently left is HQ'd in Singapore, and they use the email convention of [firstname][firstinitialoflastname]@companyname.com One of the company's directors was called Chin Kuang, or some such. Yes, he was "chink@companyname.com" - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #245 ********************************