From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #227 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, July 13 2002 Volume 11 : Number 227 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Mark Sheppard [birdpoo@btinternet.com] Re: Captain Sensible & Robyn ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: Mark Sheppard [Michael R Godwin ] Somebody sound the dream alarm ["No Name" ] Re: Somebody sound the dream alarm [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Mark Sheppard [birdpoo@btinternet.com] Re: Toronto [Stewart Russell ] Re: Somebody sound the dream alarm ["No Name" ] Re: my own private rock star [Michael R Godwin ] Rock the Catskills, UK ["Rex.Broome" ] Titles that work [bayard ] fresh hope for small children ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: Somebody sound the dream alarm [Tom Clark ] Re: Somebody sound the dream alarm [jenor@uwm.edu] nuptial bliss [Ken Ostrander ] Re: Somebody sound the dream alarm ["No Name" ] Re: billboard article on soft boys [Stewart Russell ] Re: Gardening (1.2% Damned) [Tom Clark ] Re: Gardening (1.2% Damned) [Ken Weingold ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:19:53 +0100 (BST) From: birdpoo@btinternet.com Subject: Mark Sheppard I run a website for a UK band called Television Personalities. According to a history of them that appeared in an issue of "Record Collector" magazine in 1991, the band's drummer in their early years (one Mark Sheppard, also known as Empire) joined Robyn Hitchcock after departing the TVPs in 1982. I've searched a couple of RH sites but haven't found any references to him. Can anybody shed any light on this? Keg http://www.televisionpersonalities.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:21:46 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: Captain Sensible & Robyn Ross: >Captain Sensible & Robyn -- > >A cool thing about those 1st two Captain disks >is a) hearing a good bit of Robyn's voice in >the background b) there are lot's of times when >Sensible's voice reminds me of Robyn's, & I >suspect that's his influence on Robyn. I don't >know Sensible's guitar enuf (or the Damned, >sadly) to know if there's also influence there. >What's going thru my head right now is "Brenda >Parts I & II," a great early 80s dance song >that changes as it goes along, and "Coup of >Tea" that sounds almost like the Kinks, or a >domesticated Morrissy. I never got to hear the Captain's solo stuff other than a Radio 1 session where he did Croydon and Brenda, along with a guitar based Happy Talk. They both struck me a quite different from his usual work with the Damned, although Don't Bother Me and Life Goes On from Strawberries would have fitted well alongside them. I really wish I'd got these when they came out as it doesn't look like they'll get a reissue, ISTR the people with control over the tapes want too much money for it to be worth doing. Talking about this session he mentioned the RH would be laughing when CS sang Brenda. What may be of interest is that CS was on a guest on a Radio 1 programme called "Collector's Choice" back in the Happy Talk era where he got to talk about, and play, 5 important records from his collection. I still remember his choices: Too Much To Dream Last Night (The not great Naz Nomad version but we'll let him off). See Emily Play Sandra's Having Her Brain Out* All Along the Watchtower (Hendrix version) Once I had a sweetheart (Pentangle). *Told story about being chucked off stage when attempting to join in with the Soft Boys. In his version of events Robyn had ageed to Sensible singing it before the show ("just come on up when we play it") but had neglected to inform the bouncers... Doesn't another version have him completely pissed and uninvited? > >Next objective: the Damned. If you're after Sensible's guitar playing try Machine Gun Etiquette (the first album with CS on guitar) or Strawberries (the last before he got kicked out). The playing on Strawberries is more varied and sophisticated, MGE is more exciting. Brian _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:43:12 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Mark Sheppard On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 birdpoo@btinternet.com wrote: > I run a website for a UK band called Television Personalities. > According to a history of them that appeared in an issue of "Record > Collector" magazine in 1991, the band's drummer in their early years > (one Mark Sheppard, also known as Empire) joined Robyn Hitchcock after > departing the TVPs in 1982. I've searched a couple of RH sites but > haven't found any references to him. Can anybody shed any light on > this? AFAIK he isn't listed on any of the Hitchcock albums from that period. According to allmusic.com, 'Black Snake Diamond Role' (1981) features Vince Ely and Morris Windsor on drums, and 'Groovy Decay' (1982) features drummer Rod Johnson. 'I often dream of trains' (1984) is a drumless acoustic album, Before that, the Soft Boys always featured Morris Windsor, and in 1985 RH formed the Egyptians, again with Morris Windsor on drums {though I see that John Kingham is also credited with drums on 'Fegmania' (1985) }. Nick? Bayard? Any ideas? My guess is that Sheppard auditioned for the drum chair on Groovy Decay but didn't get the job. - - Mike Godwin PS It wouldn't just be a slip of the pen for Robin Wills of the Barracudas, would it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:00:05 +0000 From: "No Name" Subject: Somebody sound the dream alarm Feg dream last night. Was sitting with my husband is some sort of bar that was going to simulcast a show Robyn was doing live somewhere else. The waiter came up with a stack of small white pieces of paper and a sandwitch. He put the notes(notice pun here. My dreams usually pun:-) in front of me and said "Compliments of Robyn," then he put the sandwitch in front of me and said "Compliments of Michelle." The pile of notes(each one about the size of an index card) was all out of order but were easy to order cause Robyn had neatly numbered each one of them. There were 138(!) and they were about conspiracy. I noticed that the handwriting wasn't quite identical to Robyn font, it was less mannered, but still looked by the same hand. The sandwitch was cheese, basil and perfectly ripe tomatoes on a fresh roll. Very delicious. The last bit I remember was wondering how to properly thank them, then realizing I couldn't and they knew that, so it was alright. Very pleasent dream. - ---------------- I am psyched by "Nextdoorland" but do not expect another "Underwater Moonlight." I mean, we've already got one, and its a great record, but a young man's record. And there are loads of Beatlesque young man's records around(thou not as good as UM) but there aren't -any- adult Beatlesque or for that matter, fully adult Beatles records around. And Steve, I think we take it as a point of pride here to take Robyn's work seriously enough to not indulge in either critical nitpicking -or- redicoulously lavish praise. Besides, havent we heard about half of the material already, and isn't the consensus on it pretty positive? I have a feeling this is going to be one fine record that will fill a real need. Kay _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:35:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Somebody sound the dream alarm On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, No Name wrote: > The sandwitch was cheese, basil and perfectly ripe tomatoes on a fresh > roll. Very delicious. Cheese alarm! What kind of cheese? You dream tasty sandwiches. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::pushing the pencil not the envelope:: np: Neil Finn _One Nil_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:03:42 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: but that was a police album Many thanks to the many friendly fegs who've taken time to point out to me (sometimes repeatedly) that ageing prog/nose rockers Rush are from Toronto. Yesterday, a small act of synchronicity: my membership # of the Toronto Cycling Network came through as 2112 ... Why not zed, after all? ;-) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:13:33 -0400 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: Toronto I picked up my Toronto tickets a while back - numbers 13 and 14. Any idea what the set will be like? "Robyn Sings" material, I wonder? Anyway, not long now! > > I got my tix in the mail today for the July show. > Starts at 11 it states and my tickets are number 39 & > 40. Hmmmm.... Perhaps people are waiting until the > last minute. > > > Herbie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:19:25 +0100 (BST) From: birdpoo@btinternet.com Subject: Re: Mark Sheppard Mark Sheppard DID play with the Barracudas, yes. If that helps. Keg > from: Michael R Godwin > date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:43:12 > to: birdpoo@btinternet.com > cc: fegmaniax@smoe.org > subject: Re: Mark Sheppard > > > On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 birdpoo@btinternet.com wrote: > > I run a website for a UK band called Television Personalities. > > According to a history of them that appeared in an issue of "Record > > Collector" magazine in 1991, the band's drummer in their early years > > (one Mark Sheppard, also known as Empire) joined Robyn Hitchcock after > > departing the TVPs in 1982. I've searched a couple of RH sites but > > haven't found any references to him. Can anybody shed any light on > > this? > > AFAIK he isn't listed on any of the Hitchcock albums from that period. > According to allmusic.com, 'Black Snake Diamond Role' (1981) features > Vince Ely and Morris Windsor on drums, and 'Groovy Decay' (1982) features > drummer Rod Johnson. 'I often dream of trains' (1984) is a drumless > acoustic album, > > Before that, the Soft Boys always featured Morris Windsor, and in 1985 RH > formed the Egyptians, again with Morris Windsor on drums {though I see > that John Kingham is also credited with drums on 'Fegmania' (1985) }. > > Nick? Bayard? Any ideas? My guess is that Sheppard auditioned for the drum > chair on Groovy Decay but didn't get the job. > > > - Mike Godwin > > PS It wouldn't just be a slip of the pen for Robin Wills of the > Barracudas, would it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:25:25 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Toronto Caroline Smith wrote: > > I picked up my Toronto tickets a while back - numbers 13 and 14. I dunno if those numbers are anything to go by -- my tickets *also* say 13 & 14 -- or 26844 & 36060, whichever is to be believed. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:30:57 +0000 From: "No Name" Subject: Re: Somebody sound the dream alarm Me >The sandwitch was cheese, basil and perfectly ripe tomatoes on a fresh >roll. Very delicious. Jeffrey: >Cheese alarm! What kind of cheese? Hmm, what cheese goes with basil? John Cleese? Sorry, me silly. Mozerella. >You dream tasty sandwiches. Indeed. I woke up hungry and wanting one. Luckily, its already basil and almost fresh tomato season here. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:53:24 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: my own private rock star >Does that mean that when Robertson is done with the Native Americans, >we >can expect him to start doing techno-Klezmer fusion records >honoring the >other half of his heritage? There's that theory that Native Americans are really the ten lost tribes of Israel... so maybe Robertson is really a full-blooded Jew. >British comedy was filled with Jewish conedians for many years... Well, jeez, American comedy was about 99.999% Jewish for much of the previous century... the Marx Brothers alone make me inordinately proud to be a fellow member of "the tribe." I believe Charlie Chaplin claimed to be Jewish, but he was not. >Sick of Hearing About Your Drugs: Is this the flipside of "Tell Me About Your Drugs"? But also because rock >spans a period from when Jews still felt they >had to be careful/covert to when (I think) >it's more no big deal, plus lots of people are >very assimilated. It's interesting how many, many of these Jewish musicians have changed their names, even in the latter half of the 20th century when you wouldn't expect anyone to give a shit whether or not they were Jewish. Is there a perception that Jewish names sound "uncool" in some way? Why is "Reid" not as cool as "Reed"? (I do understand that the "Ramone" name change was part of the shtick, but still...) >The Soft Boys will release Nextdoorland, the twenty-two years in the > >making follow-up to Underwater Moonlight (the band's influential >second >LP), on September 24th. Whee, a birthday present for me. (OK, my birthday's the 27th, but close enough.) I am still EXTREMELY disappointed that they did not name the record "Fresh Hope for Small Children." That's one of the coolest names I've ever heard. Maybe I'll use it myself. So I had a weird dream last night. In real life, I'd been reading the latest issue of Mojo with a cover article about David Bowie. So I dreamt that I had a sort of replica or construct of David Bowie in my home - but he was only a demo, so he was going to be taken away or destroyed fairly soon. He was sitting at my kitchen table and I was telling him how much I enjoyed having him around. He was wearing a white suit and had short hair - sort of a latter-day Bowie rather than Ziggy Stardust. Later in the dream, I saw a poster for a Soft Boys show in Portland. They were playing two shows, one at 3:30 in the afternoon and another one in the evening, and I was trying to decide whether I should go to both of them. "Ah, they'll only be playing the same set again anyway," I thought. Gonna go see lots of insular little hipsters at the Portland Zine Symposium this weekend... I bet Calvin Johnson has a little entourage of ragtag indie-poppers who follow him around. We shall see. n., thoroughly assimilated Jew _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:52:30 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: my own private rock star On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > I believe Charlie Chaplin claimed to be Jewish, but he was not. I'm interested in other people's info on this. My Grandma, Rosa Elias, used to appear in the East End music halls when she was a child and she saw Charlie doing his "drunk member of the audience" routine before he left for Hollywood (I suppose this would be in about 1905-08). She had various stories about Fred Karno, Marie Lloyd, the Fat Boy of Peckham (Johnny Trunley) etc. To give some idea of how the postal service has collapsed, her father used to manage one of the theatres, and when he wanted a little girl to appear in the show, he would post a card in the morning which would arrive at home _the same afternoon_ to tell her to turn up. Anyhow, what I'm getting round to is that I grew up under the impression that most of the East End music hall acts were Jewish, including Chaplin. According to: Charlie wasn't Jewish but his half-brother was 3/4 Jewish. Does that make sense? According to: the Nazis claimed falsely that Chaplin's real name was Thonstein. More biography at: and which dates his UK stint with Fred Karno to 1907-1910. > Why is "Reid" not as cool as "Reed"? 'Reid' is the Scottish spelling. I'm not usre why it should be more or less cool than 'Reed' (except that if you wanted to write a song called "European Son (to Delmore Schwarz)" it would be better to spell it with two Es) ... - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:07:40 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Rock the Catskills, UK James: >>British comedy was filled with Jewish conedians for many years That's interesting... American Jewish comedians have always been readily apparent (largely because they often do routines about being Jewish) whereas, to American ears, British comedians always seem... British. You know, with the accent and all. Is there some British equivalent of the Catskills? ______ Ross: >>Also rock spans the changing relations of Jews & African Americans thru the >>2nd half of the century. And spins off into hip-hop, which has been known to go off into some explicitly anti-Semitic directions. Things get pretty weird in there. But it seems fromthe evidence at hand that, despite its roots, rock has more Jewish proponents than black ones at this point. Hmmmm. But, oh yeah, that reminds me-- Princess Superstar. Jewish. _____ Jeffrey: >>However: hey Miles, what about Colin Newman? I dunno, but has anyone heard that new Wire EP? Kinda mind-boggling that in 2002 the Soft Boys and Wire both exist in more or less their original forms, and as ongoing concerns. And Mission of Burma is touring (although I highly doubt any new material is forthcoming). Rex, not getting any younger ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:38:06 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Titles that work On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > > >The Soft Boys will release Nextdoorland, the twenty-two years in the > > >making follow-up to Underwater Moonlight (the band's influential >second > >LP), on September 24th. > > Whee, a birthday present for me. (OK, my birthday's the 27th, but close > enough.) I am still EXTREMELY disappointed that they did not name the > record "Fresh Hope for Small Children." That's one of the coolest names > I've ever heard. Maybe I'll use it myself. Are you tugging on my leg? I must have missed that one, where did you hear about it? I know of "Fresh Creme Rinse" (which was bogus - where on the net was that one seen, does anyone remember?) and the Apple Project (Jordache!) I'll add it to my list: http://glasshotel.net/gh/working_titles.htm The "contact me" address on that page doesn't work, of course, that's my old one. But write me back at this one if you have any more working titles. =b ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:44:12 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: fresh hope for small children >Are you tugging on my leg? I must have missed that one, where did >you >hear about it? I heard about it on this very list - but I also plugged the title into Google and found several sites that mentioned "Fresh Hope for Small Children" as a potential or even official title. Try it and see. n. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:15:24 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Somebody sound the dream alarm Aaah, yes. Our basil overfloweth, and the tomatoes are just ripining(?). A great way to make this sandwich is in a sort of grilled-cheese manner. Brush some olive oil on the bread, assemble the sandwich, and lightly broil it in the oven. Oh man, I want one now... - -tc on 7/12/02 8:30 AM, No Name at theyarenotlong@hotmail.com wrote: > Me >> The sandwitch was cheese, basil and perfectly ripe tomatoes on a > fresh >> roll. Very delicious. > Jeffrey: >> Cheese alarm! What kind of cheese? > > Hmm, what cheese goes with basil? John Cleese? > > Sorry, me silly. Mozerella. > >> You dream tasty sandwiches. > > Indeed. I woke up hungry and wanting one. Luckily, its already basil and > almost fresh tomato season here. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:11:52 -0500 (CDT) From: jenor@uwm.edu Subject: Re: Somebody sound the dream alarm Quoting No Name : > Me > >The sandwitch was cheese, basil and perfectly ripe tomatoes on a > fresh > >roll. Very delicious. > Jeffrey: > >Cheese alarm! What kind of cheese? > > Hmm, what cheese goes with basil? John Cleese? > > Sorry, me silly. Mozerella. No - that goes with... Morrissey. (Sorry.) - --Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:52:04 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: nuptial bliss hey feglets, i've been so busy; but i just wanted to drop a line and let you know about the upcoming ceremony that will usher in the next phase of my life. it's the most amazing thing that's ever happened to me. check out the links below. ken "and now my life has changed in oh so many ways" the kenster >From: ajkelly7@aol.com (Amy J. Kelly) >Subject: [likehumansdo] gettin' hitched....like humans do > >hello everyone, >please see the updated pages on the "like humans do" site. you will find a campy cover page, and a link to info about our wedding. (don't forget to refresh your page.) > >love to all, >a > >gettin' hitched... (www.likehumansdo.com) > >ken and amy get married (www.hometown.aol.com/ajkelly7/marriage.html) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:50:32 +0000 From: "No Name" Subject: Re: Somebody sound the dream alarm Tom -- you can grow tomatoes? I hate you. I tried last summer but with half shade all I ended up with was some small hard green pellets by Thanksgiving. Tell me what sort of veggies you grow, so I can hate you even more;-) And yes, grilled is even better. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:52:36 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: billboard article on soft boys Soft Boys Resurface 'Nextdoor' Reformed new wave pioneers Soft Boys have set a Sept. 24 release date for a new album, their first in 22 years, on Matador Records. The set, titled "Nextdoorland," will be the first Soft Boys full-length since 1980's watershed "Underwater Moonlight" (Armageddon). The new album will be available on CD and limited-edition LP, the latter packaged with a bonus 7" single. The current lineup of Robyn Hitchcock, Kimberley Rew, Matthew Seligman, and Morris Windsor -- the same quartet that made "Underwater Moonlight" -- is planning to tour North America in October in support of "Nextdoorland," according to Matador's official Web site. Frontman Hitchcock's official Web site already lists an Oct. 17 Soft Boys date at London's Mean Fiddler. The group, which had parted ways in 1981 after two albums and assorted EP releases, regrouped in spring of 2001 to tour behind Matador's double-disc reissue of "Underwater Moonlight," a renowned underground touchstone that inspired such groups as R.E.M., Camper Van Beethoven, and the Replacements. In related news, Hitchcock's latest solo release, "Robyn Sings" (Editions PAF), is a double-disc set of Bob Dylan covers and is available via his Web site. Rew released his second solo disc, "Great Central Revisited" on Bongo Beat Records last week. - -- Troy Carpenter, N.Y. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:00:29 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: billboard article on soft boys guapo stick wrote: > > ... the latter packaged with a bonus 7" single. oh no, not again. Vinyl releases are so annoying. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:35:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Titles that work bayard wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > > I am still EXTREMELY disappointed that they did not name > > the record "Fresh Hope for Small Children." That's one of the > > coolest names I've ever heard. Maybe I'll use it myself. > > Are you tugging on my leg? I must have missed that one, where did > you hear about it? I know of "Fresh Creme Rinse" (which was bogus - > where on the net was that one seen, does anyone remember?) and the > Apple Project (Jordache!) http://pitchforkmedia.com/news/02-04/18.shtml actually, I'm glad that they didn't go for FHFSC, especially in the year that the Catholic church actually got called on their lax policies on child raping amongst the priesthood. the best unused Robyn title is still either Red Lemon Days or Crystal Branches. ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:41:11 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Gardening (1.2% Damned) on 7/12/02 12:50 PM, No Name at theyarenotlong@hotmail.com wrote: > > Tom -- you can grow tomatoes? I hate you. I tried last summer but with half > shade all I ended up with was some small hard green pellets by > Thanksgiving. Tell me what sort of veggies you grow, so I can hate you even > more;-) > We currently have a metric shitload of zucchini, which Coleen has been transmogrifying into delicious zucchini-raisin bread and baby food. Also, year-round rosemary and something else I can't remember right now. The strawberries really don't do so well though, unfortunately. But our orange tree just won't stop producing. In the past we've done jalapenos, corn, bell peppers, onions, beets... San Jose's growing season is approximately April through October, if I remember my Sunset Gardening Book correctly. Besides, there are plenty of other reasons to hate me. Just ask Natalie. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 12:49:45 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Gardening (1.2% Damned) On Fri, Jul 12, 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > on 7/12/02 12:50 PM, No Name at theyarenotlong@hotmail.com wrote: > > Tom -- you can grow tomatoes? I hate you. I tried last summer but with half > > shade all I ended up with was some small hard green pellets by > > Thanksgiving. Tell me what sort of veggies you grow, so I can hate you even > > more;-) > > > We currently have a metric shitload of zucchini, which Coleen has been > transmogrifying into delicious zucchini-raisin bread and baby food. Also, > year-round rosemary and something else I can't remember right now. The > strawberries really don't do so well though, unfortunately. But our orange > tree just won't stop producing. > In the past we've done jalapenos, corn, bell peppers, onions, beets... > San Jose's growing season is approximately April through October, if I > remember my Sunset Gardening Book correctly. I miss that. With my little experience, given the right amount of sun, cherry tomatoes will grow like wildfire. In a building I lived in a while back, we had this L-shaped walkway in the back connecting two parts. We planted them and they grew up all over the wood railings. Delicious, too. The habanero peppers also grew really well. - -Ken ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #227 ********************************