From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #226 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 12 2002 Volume 11 : Number 226 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: More Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) ["Ma] Rock 'n' Roll Zion ["Rex.Broome" ] Rockin' Canadian Jews ["Rex.Broome" ] Sorry if someone already pegged this one... ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Jewish Rockers & Sports stars ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: klezmatics etc. [Stewart Russell ] rolling stone article [guapo stick ] Re: rolling stone article [Steve Talkowski ] Re: rolling stone article [guapo stick ] Re: Jewish Rockers & Sports stars [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: More Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) Is Matthew Seligman jewish? _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:57:59 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Rock 'n' Roll Zion Jeff D. says: >>I seem to recall Courtney Love once professing to be >>part-Jewish, but what hasn't she said she was at some point or another? It's something she recently discovered in her family, or she just tracked down a specific Jewish ancestor in showbiz, something like that. Oddly she kind of seized on it as something that made her suddenly a more bad-ass entertainment businesswoman. A little bit icky, even for Courtney, but there you go. I'll also need to see some evidence on the Davies brothers... Rex (whose brother-in-law is inarguably the finest Jewish Cajun fiddler working today) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:09:00 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Rockin' Canadian Jews From Maximillian: >>Add Geddy Lee and Robbie Robertson(half). And both Canadian... weird. Does that mean that when Robertson is done with the Native Americans, we can expect him to start doing techno-Klezmer fusion records honoring the other half of his heritage? Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:08:15 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Sorry if someone already pegged this one... ...I'm on the digest. Found it while looking up Justine. Mick Jones! http://www.yahoodi.com/famous/sing1.html http://www.yahoodi.com/famous/instr1.html - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:08:53 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Rockin' Jews >What about the UK side of the equation? I dunno much about British Jewish >culture or how it relates to the mainstream (although I do have Jewish >in-laws in Oxford and London)... can't think of as many British Jewish >artists or celebrities. Is Justine Frischman Jewish? >And surely Lol Creme as well. Don't know about the rest of 10cc though. the other half were IIRC Catholics. One of Godley & Creme's songs refers to this somewhere I think (Punchbag, perhaps?) Adrian and Paul Gurvitz Trevor Rabin what about Thomas Fehlmann from the Orb? British comedy was filled with Jewish conedians for many years, including among others Ernie Wise (Ernest Weissman), Jonathan Miller (comedian, then scientist, then theatre director (weird career path!), Mike and Bernie Winters, and Alfie Bass. I have a strange feeling one of the Python crowd is/was, too (Eric Idle perhaps?). And Ali G surely counts! And (as I'm sure is also true in the US) many managerial, entrpreneurial people. A couple that spring to mind here are Brian Epstein and Lionel Bart in other fields, a couple worth mentioning off the top of my head: Sir Jacob Epstein - artist; Lord Robert Winston - documentary maker, medical researcher, and all-round person in the public eye And let';s face it, one of Britain's foremost 19th Century politicians was Jewish by ancestry (although he renounced the faith) - Benjamin Disraeli. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Sorry if someone already pegged this one... "Rex.Broome" wrote: > ...I'm on the digest. > > Found it while looking up Justine. > > Mick Jones! > > http://www.yahoodi.com/famous/sing1.html > http://www.yahoodi.com/famous/instr1.html kinda odd that a) under Max Weinberg, the misspell Springsteen as -stein. b) that Joey Ramone and Dee Snider are listed as Musicians, not singers. ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:24:27 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Great Central Revisited >From: Brian >I wonder why Morris and Matthew are not on the new Kimberley album. >I'm still waiting for mine in the mail. Any reviews? > >Nuppy I got mine a week or so ahead of the release date. I don't why, I Paypaled Ralph and he seems to have stuck it straight in the post. I did have a long in depth review sorted out in my head but never got round to posting it. So from memory without having the thing at hand ( I have been filling my head with the Damned and Acid Mothers Temple of late). On the whole it is any enjoyable but short album, a dozen or so tracks with nothing hitting the 4 minute mark. A lot of the songs are a sort of guitar based AOP (is adult oriented pop a recognised label?) which is not the kind of stuff I listen to normally but in Kim's hands is quite charming. In this bunch of slightly folky guitar pop we have Life Itself : This is excellent. English as tuppence. A lively fun account of a weekend in the country side. "You and me\n out of our heads on pots of tea\n Hiding from the rain in the back of a car\n paid for by the sunshine guitar". As I said, this is not the sort of stuff I usually for but I love this track. English Road : Fine music but the Countryside v Capitalism lyric is a little clumsy. Seven Stars : I don't like the first half, sort of a slow half arsed rock thing that towards the end mutates into a Morrison Hotel bluesy solo which is incongrous but saves the song. Great Central Revisited: Good song, us Brits are always up for a bit of a nostalgia. The premise being that GCR was lovingly built and pulled up before its time in a world where nothing is now even built to last. Heart of Things: Pretty, slow, gentle. Let it draw you in. June Barley,We Will Swim Together: Upbeat songs for sunny days and open spaces. Philip Larkin: Great groove. I can't quite get the lyric which is a shame as I expect it will amuse. Could someone transcribe what their ears are hearing? In the less obviously KR vein we also have: Screaming Lord Sutch: Sombre ode to a talentless suicide. This song works very well. EC Blues: Kim bops around the soda shop with the spirit of Eddie Cochran a jolly excursion into old fashioned rock and roll. Adventures of the Underclass: Mercifully short acoustic instrumental, not too unlike Robyn's. Sick of Hearing About Your Drugs: Kicks of railing against celebrity reformed druggies, safely accepted into polite society but still using their past to promote a bad boy image. Then drifts into drugs / creativity. We have Robyn on slide guitar, which is just some "atmospheric" chords in the background. Nicely done but a bit slow and bitter for everyday consumption. I seem to have left Purple and Orange Stripes to the end. Kim/Robyn a capella vocal. It is crap. Buy it for Kim's poppier side and you will be happy. Buy it for the RH content and you will be disapointed. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:26:39 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: Jewish Rockers & Sports stars Did anyone mention Ringo Starr? Let's face it, Jewish entertainers are not nearly as hard to come by as Jewish sports stars. - -rUss "Blessed is the man, who having nothing to say, abstains from giving wordy evidence of the fact." - George Eliot ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:49:19 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: klezmatics etc. Keith Reid, lyricist of Procol Harum (grew up a neighbor/friend of Marc Bolan). Charlie Watts. I think there was some connection w/ Woody Guthrie, (despite *his* song "Jesus Christ") as I remember something about Arlo having a hoe-down Bas Mitzvah. I'd also heard Iggy "James Osterberg" Pop was, but that may just be a mistake about a German name. If the Kinks really were, I did not know that, very interesting. Actually, I always thought Rock n Roll was part of the Jewish Communist conspiracy -- Alan Freed was Jewish. Here's a link to a review of the book "Rock 'N Roll Jews" by Michael Billig. http://www.sfbg.com/AandE/Frequencies/94.html It also mentions Phil Spector. It is an interesting topic, partly because of Jewish strong presence in the US left & US intellectual life. Allen Ginsberg, Abbey Hoffman, blah blah blah. But also because rock spans a period from when Jews still felt they had to be careful/covert to when (I think) it's more no big deal, plus lots of people are very assimilated. Also rock spans the changing relations of Jews & African Americans thru the 2nd half of the century. - --- Captain Sensible & Robyn -- A cool thing about those 1st two Captain disks is a) hearing a good bit of Robyn's voice in the background b) there are lot's of times when Sensible's voice reminds me of Robyn's, & I suspect that's his influence on Robyn. I don't know Sensible's guitar enuf (or the Damned, sadly) to know if there's also influence there. What's going thru my head right now is "Brenda Parts I & II," a great early 80s dance song that changes as it goes along, and "Coup of Tea" that sounds almost like the Kinks, or a domesticated Morrissy. Next objective: the Damned. Ross Taylor "if Jesus Christ preached today like he did then they would put Jesus Christ in his grave" - --Woody Guthrie Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:32:09 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: klezmatics etc. ross taylor wrote: > > I think there was some connection w/ > Woody Guthrie Arlo Guthrie's mother, Marjorie [Mazia] Guthrie, was Jewish. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:45:36 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: rolling stone article Soft Boys Move Next Door Alt-rock pioneers plot return The Soft Boys will release Nextdoorland, the twenty-two years in the making follow-up to Underwater Moonlight (the band's influential second LP), on September 24th. "It's a rock-guitar-bass-drum-harmony record -- another variant on the Beatles, really," singer, Robyn Hitchcock told Rolling Stone. "Whenever I make records with a band it's always some kind of Beatles record." The Soft Boys have worked on the record on and off over the last several months, a process Hitchcock finds more rewarding than working straight through. "Whenever I've worked on an album like that I've regretted it," he said. "This has been done with gaps and working in bursts of two or three days, so real life has flowed through this record like nothing else, really." With more than two decades between Underwater Moonlight -- an album both the Replacements and R.E.M. cited as a major influence -- and Nextdoorland, Hitchcock admits to feeling some pressure over the new album's reception. "There's bound to be a certain amount of nervousness," he said. "[The fans] will be initially pleased to hear it, and then they'll say it's not as good as Underwater Moonlight and then about five years down the line they'll probably get to like it on it's own merit." But Nextdoorland is not an attempt to rehash the band's past work. "It's not like Underwater Moonlight," Hitchcock said. "The atmosphere is very different, because we're not receiving the same emotional nutrients. As a songwriter, I'm not feeling anything like I was when I wrote those songs, and as a group we're all twenty years older, but I think it works nonetheless. Every so often I hear bits of it and I think, 'God, that sounds like the Soft Boys.'" CHRISTINA SARACENO (July 10, 2002) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:01:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: rolling stone article > "[The fans]will be initially pleased to hear it, and then they'll say it's not > as good as Underwater Moonlight and then about five years down the line they'll > probably get to like it on it's own merit." No kidding, eh?! All of you who want this to be another Underwater Moonlight take note, PLEASE! Oh wait, this list is notorious for ripping apart every new release with pseudo-intellectual mumbo jumbo regardless of who it comes from. ;P Nevermind, proceed forthwith once September arrives... *sigh* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:07:48 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: Re: rolling stone article when we last left our heroes, Steve Talkowski exclaimed: >All of you who want this to be another Underwater Moonlight take note, PLEASE! actually, i'd rather that it was another _invisible hits_. more death folk-rock instrumentals! woooooo!!! ;) +w ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:28:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Jewish Rockers & Sports stars On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Russ Reynolds wrote: > Did anyone mention Ringo Starr? In what context? Curious - there doesn't seem to be any generally reliable source to answer this question we're going on about, and consequently rumor steps in to fill the breach. This is one of them, I think. And also Keith Moon. It is, of course, because everyone associates Judaism with drumming. Don't they? However: hey Miles, what about Colin Newman? Or am I reading too much into his being married to an Israeli musician and having a surname that is sometimes Jewish? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Solipsism is its own reward:: __Crow T. Robot__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:58:05 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Jewish Rockers & Sports stars >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >Reply-To: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >To: "It's Not Just the Size of a Walnut" >Subject: Re: Jewish Rockers & Sports stars >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:28:17 -0500 (CDT) > >On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Russ Reynolds wrote: > > > Did anyone mention Ringo Starr? > >In what context? Ringo states in the Anthology video that he is not Jewish. Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #226 ********************************