From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #225 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, July 10 2002 Volume 11 : Number 225 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) ["Poole, R. E] Re: Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) [Stewart ] Re: Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) ["Maximil] Re: Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) ["Maximil] Re: Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) [glen ube] Rockin' Jews ["Rex.Broome" ] More Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) [glen ub] Re: Rockin' Jews ["Maximilian Lang" ] REAP. ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Rockin' Jews [Jeff Dwarf ] By the way [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: more bad racism/Jewish sports stars [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dig] another reap [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: more bad racism/Jewish sports stars [Dolph Chaney ] Re[2]: Rockin' Jews [noe shalev ] Re: more bad racism/Jewish sports stars ["matt sewell" ] Capt Sensible/RH. 10% KRew [Brian ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:41:28 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) >I really don't want Adam Sandler to be the >only one listing Jewish rock musicians... First off, you gotta give mad props to that foreskin-less trio of geniuses known as The Beastie Boys (Adam Horwitz, Michael Diamond, Adam Yauch) and the legendary Lou "Rabinowitz" Reed (in fairness to Lou, his father changed the family name to Reed). Second, there's Perry "Bernstein" Farrell of Jane's Addiction and Porno for Pyros, former Red Hot Chili Pepper (and living human being) Hillel Slovak, Lisa "Leopold and" Loeb, Peter Wolf of the J. Geils Band, Peter Green[baum] of Fleetwood Mac, Gene "Chaim Witz" Simmons and Paul "Stanley Eisen" Stanley of KISS, and Barry Goldberg and Michael Bloomfield of the Paul Butterfield Blues Band (and who can forget the Goldberg/Bloomfield 1969 collaboration "2 Jews Blues"?). For the third bunch, I don't think that "rock" and "star" both apply to all of these, but as far as "jewish" and "musicians" go, how about: Leonard Cohen, John Zorn, Barbra Steisand, Neil Sedaka, Neil Diamond, Barry Manilow, Dan Bern, and Carole "Klein" King. and if you add the qualifier "born into jewish family, dabbled in born-again christianity, before returning to judaism (at least to the extent of giving son's bar mitzvah at the Wailing Wall)" you should add: Robert "Bob Dylan" Zimmerman (and don't forget Jakob of Wallflowers "fame"). I'm sure there's a lot more I could list if I thought about it, but, hey, I'm no Adam Sandler. - -ed p.s. Take note that The Royal Tennebaums comes out today, in a glorious Criterion collection DVD set. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 17:05:57 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) Poole, R. Edward wrote: > > ... but as far as "jewish" and "musicians" go ... Don't forget Kinky Friedman (& The Texas Jewboys). A fine musician, and a great writer, too. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 17:20:56 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) >From: "Poole, R. Edward" >Reply-To: "Poole, R. Edward" >To: "It's Not Just the Size of a Walnut" >Subject: Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:41:28 -0400 > > >I really don't want Adam Sandler to be the > >only one listing Jewish rock musicians... > >First off, you gotta give mad props to that foreskin-less trio of geniuses >known as The Beastie Boys (Adam Horwitz, Michael Diamond, Adam Yauch) and >the legendary Lou "Rabinowitz" Reed (in fairness to Lou, his father changed >the family name to Reed). > >Second, there's Perry "Bernstein" Farrell of Jane's Addiction and Porno for >Pyros, former Red Hot Chili Pepper (and living human being) Hillel Slovak, >Lisa "Leopold and" Loeb, Peter Wolf of the J. Geils Band, Peter Green[baum] >of Fleetwood Mac, Gene "Chaim Witz" Simmons and Paul "Stanley Eisen" >Stanley >of KISS, and Barry Goldberg and Michael Bloomfield of the Paul Butterfield >Blues Band (and who can forget the Goldberg/Bloomfield 1969 collaboration >"2 >Jews Blues"?). > >For the third bunch, I don't think that "rock" and "star" both apply to all >of these, but as far as "jewish" and "musicians" go, how about: Leonard >Cohen, John Zorn, Barbra Steisand, Neil Sedaka, Neil Diamond, Barry >Manilow, >Dan Bern, and Carole "Klein" King. > >and if you add the qualifier "born into jewish family, dabbled in >born-again >christianity, before returning to judaism (at least to the extent of giving >son's bar mitzvah at the Wailing Wall)" you should add: Robert "Bob Dylan" >Zimmerman (and don't forget Jakob of Wallflowers "fame"). > >I'm sure there's a lot more I could list if I thought about it, but, hey, >I'm no Adam Sandler. > >-ed Add Geddy Lee and Robbie Robertson(half). _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 17:22:55 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) >From: Stewart Russell >Reply-To: Stewart Russell >To: "Poole, R. Edward" >CC: "It's Not Just the Size of a Walnut" >Subject: Re: Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) >Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 17:05:57 -0400 > >Poole, R. Edward wrote: >> >>... but as far as "jewish" and "musicians" go ... > >Don't forget Kinky Friedman (& The Texas Jewboys). A fine musician, and a >great writer, too. > > Stewart Did anyone metion Simon and Garfunkle and Beck? Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:32:50 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: Re: Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) Maximilian earnestly scribbled: >Did anyone metion Simon and Garfunkle and Beck? Manfred Mann (Manfred Lubowitz) Leslie West (Leslie Weinstein) Magic Dick (Richard Salwitz) Elliot Easton (Elliot Steinberg) Phoebe Snow (Phoebe Laub) Janis Ian (Janis Fink) - -- Cheers! - -g- "We're all different versions of the same thing." - --Robyn Hitchcock glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:41:58 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Rockin' Jews Jeffrey says: >>And that got me wondering about other rock musicians: does anyone know of >>a website dedicated to such? I really don't want Adam Sandler to be the >>only one listing Jewish rock musicians... Hey, this is more interesting than I first thought. You expect to find high concentrations of Jewish musicians in general (as in most art & showbiz), but I wonder if that holds as true for "rock". You know, since it was cobbled together out of blues/gospel/country/American folk etc,. all music forms with a distinctly Christian bent. And it retains a lot of that imagery even now... "Oh Lord"'s and everything. Lookit Dylan-- his "born-again" phase aside, even his early stuff had Christian imagery. John the Baptist torturing a thief, even Jesus could not fogive what you do, etc. (A lot of that comes from the traditional and Guthrie idioms... but wait, was Guthrie Jewish, too? Can't remember.) And check out Lou Reed (Lewis Reid, I think) and his early tune "Jesus". All that stuff gets even more interesting when you factor in the non-Christian POV of the writers. US Punk seems to have been a little more Jewish than most of the outright "rock" that came before it. Makes since as it was artier and came largely from New York. Also it was good. Gross generalizations, I know, but I kid because I love. What about the UK side of the equation? I dunno much about British Jewish culture or how it relates to the mainstream (although I do have Jewish in-laws in Oxford and London)... can't think of as many British Jewish artists or celebrities. Is Justine Frischman Jewish? - -Rex (also not Jewish but my daughter is 1/4...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:36:24 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: More Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) Phranc, Lenny Kravitz, Graham Gouldman - -- Cheers! - -g- "The reason the mainstream is thought of as a stream is because it's so shallow." - -- George Carlin glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 18:39:00 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Rockin' Jews >From: "Rex.Broome" >Reply-To: "Rex.Broome" >To: "'fegmaniax@smoe.org'" >Subject: Rockin' Jews >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:41:58 -0700 > >Jeffrey says: > >>And that got me wondering about other rock musicians: does anyone know >of > >>a website dedicated to such? I really don't want Adam Sandler to be the > >>only one listing Jewish rock musicians... > >Hey, this is more interesting than I first thought. You expect to find >high >concentrations of Jewish musicians in general (as in most art & showbiz), >but I wonder if that holds as true for "rock". You know, since it was >cobbled together out of blues/gospel/country/American folk etc,. all music >forms with a distinctly Christian bent. And it retains a lot of that >imagery even now... "Oh Lord"'s and everything. > >Lookit Dylan-- his "born-again" phase aside, even his early stuff had >Christian imagery. John the Baptist torturing a thief, even Jesus could >not >fogive what you do, etc. (A lot of that comes from the traditional and >Guthrie idioms... but wait, was Guthrie Jewish, too? Can't remember.) And >check out Lou Reed (Lewis Reid, I think) and his early tune "Jesus". All >that stuff gets even more interesting when you factor in the non-Christian >POV of the writers. > >US Punk seems to have been a little more Jewish than most of the outright >"rock" that came before it. Makes since as it was artier and came largely >from New York. Also it was good. Gross generalizations, I know, but I kid >because I love. > >What about the UK side of the equation? I dunno much about British Jewish >culture or how it relates to the mainstream (although I do have Jewish >in-laws in Oxford and London)... can't think of as many British Jewish >artists or celebrities. Is Justine Frischman Jewish? > >-Rex >(also not Jewish but my daughter is 1/4...) Oh Yeah, Joey Ramone. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:01:33 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: REAP. Rod Steiger. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Rockin' Jews "Rex.Broome" wroteth: > Lookit Dylan-- his "born-again" phase aside, even his early stuff > had Christian imagery. John the Baptist torturing a thief, even > Jesus could not fogive what you do, etc. (A lot of that comes from > the traditional and Guthrie idioms... but wait, was Guthrie Jewish, > too? Can't remember.) And check out Lou Reed (Lewis Reid, I think) > and his early tune "Jesus". All that stuff gets even more interesting > when you factor in the non-Christian POV of the writers. Garrison Keillor once joked that the reason there weren't more Hanukkah songs is that gentiles wouldn't think to write them, and Irving Berlin was too busy writing "White Christmas," so it's hardly unique to Rock. I still can't help but laugh whenever I hear Simon & Garfunkel doing "Go Tell it on the Mountain," etc. > Is Justine Frischman Jewish? i think so. I seem to recall Courtney Love once professing to be part-Jewish, but what hasn't she said she was at some point or another? ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Sign up for SBC Yahoo! 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Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:42:05 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: more bad racism/Jewish sports stars >My impression is that PC rules the UK airwaves. Spike Milligan died >complaining that the Beeb refused to re-show the various Q series, and I >can only think that they didn't like the 'Donald McGill' elements of the >show. Similarly but on a lower plane, Benny Hill was taken off even though >his show was still getting substantial ratings. then again, it's unnerving in post-pC times like these to see some of the things that weremade back before the PC revolution. I think it fairly unlikely that the likes of "It ain't half hot, mum" would be made in todays climate. (It's still being repeated occasionally here in NZ - would it be shown today in the UK?) >Bloody hell, it's http://www.preciousmckenzie.co.nz/ ... still going strong and breaking age-group records at the age of sixty-something. >>Hank was one of the greatest >>Jewish athletes of all time, along with Sandy Koufax. > >This would be a great off-list topic for anyone who cares to continue it >(I know I would). > >I know of only two Jewish athletes playing today: Shawn Green of the Los >Angeles Dodgers and Josh Taves of the Oakland Raiders. Anyone know of any >others? this has to be one of the stranger threads I've seen. I venture former All Black and Highlanders Rugby legend Josh Kronfeld, who is still playing somewhere in Japan. Then there's tennis star Anna Smashnova, and the US can provide swimmers Lenny Krayzelburg and Anthony Ervin. For past greats, there are great football (soccer) players such as Liverpool's 80s star Avi Cohen. Talking of which, can anyone tell me whether the Cohen in England's 1966 world champion side was Jewish? http://www.jewishsports.net/subindex.html might also provide a few names of sports stars of the past I'm sure Noe could provide lists of the Israeli national sports teams, which are quite likely to contain one or two people who follow the Jewish faith. James (whose genealogical work includes pursuing Alice's Rosenbrock lineage) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:57:38 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: another reap Rod Steiger, 77 James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 19:31:42 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: more bad racism/Jewish sports stars At 11:42 AM 7/10/02 +1200, James Dignan quoted from someone whose message I cannot find, and that person wrote: >Spike Milligan died > >complaining that the Beeb refused to re-show the various Q series, and I > >can only think that they didn't like the 'Donald McGill' elements of the > >show. According to Pythonian lore, Q (along with Do Not Adjust Your Set, At Last the 1948 Show, and the other proto-Python shows) was at the very end of the era where the BBC would not archive TV shows. Terry Jones, in particular, joins Spike in gritching that Q was not saved -- he credits Q as one of the primary MPFC influences. (Although Jones does not join Spike in the sense of being dead.) Dolph almost totally-non-list PS: I'm reconstructing my Dolphmusic e-mail list from scratch. So, if you would like to receive periodic updates on the music that I make, please send me an off-list message. I hate to bring this up on Feg at all, but it may be that there are folks who have gotten the first Glass Flesh release or Fish Gloss that might like to be included, and that there might be folks relieved to know that, if they don't reply, I won't bombard them with e-mail from now on. 8-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:17:59 -0800 From: noe shalev Subject: Re[2]: Rockin' Jews >>What about the UK side of the equation? I dunno much about British Jewish >>culture or how it relates to the mainstream (although I do have Jewish >>in-laws in Oxford and London)... can't think of as many British Jewish >>artists or celebrities. Is Justine Frischman Jewish? well as I said Marc Knofler, and of course the Davies brothers of the Kinks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:44:37 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: more bad racism/Jewish sports stars I think IAHHM still gets shown over here on cable, as does the Q series... I don't think that PC necessarily rules the airwaves... actually, no, I think it certainly rules in terms of commissioning of new programmes, but I think we're pretty much becoming post-PC over here. I think we might well see IAHHM on cable, although I don't think they'll be showing stuff like the utterly racist Mind Your Language... Matt, sometimes wishing for cable to watch the Q Series... >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > >My impression is that PC rules the UK airwaves. Spike Milligan died > >complaining that the Beeb refused to re-show the various Q series, and I > >can only think that they didn't like the 'Donald McGill' elements of the > >show. Similarly but on a lower plane, Benny Hill was taken off even though > >his show was still getting substantial ratings. > >then again, it's unnerving in post-pC times like these to see some of the >things that weremade back before the PC revolution. I think it fairly >unlikely that the likes of "It ain't half hot, mum" would be made in todays >climate. (It's still being repeated occasionally here in NZ - would it be >shown today in the UK?) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:45:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) Here's an interesting one that no one's mentioned yet (I got curious and went googling): Nancy Burdine, who was Jewish, married Abner Tackett. Their daughter, Martha Tackett, married White Mansell. Their daughter, Octavia "Doll" Mansell, married Bob Smith. And their daughter was Gladys, whose son was none other than... Elvis Presley. See the following URLs for more detail: http://www.elvispresleynews.com/article1097.html http://www.elvispresleyonline.com/html/elvis_genealogy.html I'd be inclined to argue that who "counts" should have more to do with culturally or religiously observant Jews - not just bloodline - but I suppose there are rabbis who'd argue with me on that. And Noe, re Ray and Dave Davies: you're joking, right? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Solipsism is its own reward:: __Crow T. Robot__ np: The Olivia Tremor Control's version of "European Son" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:47:10 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: More Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, glen uber wrote: > Phranc, Lenny Kravitz, Graham Gouldman And surely Lol Creme as well. Don't know about the rest of 10cc though. Andrew Gold, another guy who wrote with Gouldman, is also presumably Jewish. Marc Bolan (real name Marc Feld). David Cohen of Country Joe and the Fish. Mark Naftalin as well as Mike Bloomfield in the Butterfield Blues Band. Al Kooper. Harvey Brooks, the bass player with Kooper and Bloomfield. Stefan Grossman. Randy California, I think (real name Randy Wolfe). Harvey Mandel, presumably. I would guess that Benny Spellman (of 'Fortune Teller' fame) was Jewish. I used to play that record over and over again in - er - 1979ish. Carole King. Carly Simon. Barbra Streisand. Melanie? Goldie (Genya Ravan) of Goldie & the Gingerbreads and 10 Wheel Drive. The Shangri-Las (Mary & Betty Weiss and Margie & Mary-Ann Ganser) Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller (are we allowing writers?) And how could you forget Eric Bloom of Blue Oyster Cult? - - MRG PS On the subject of Leslie West, Gary Kasparov (not strictly a rock'n'roll star) is also a Weinstein. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:05:02 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: More Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) Sammy Davis Jr. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:21:13 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: More Jewish Rockers (and folkies and bluesmen and crooners, etc) Jason R. Thornton wrote: > > Sammy Davis Jr. I grew up in the Jewish part of town. SD Jr was booked to speak at a gala dinner at a local golf club. Said club was famously anti-semitic. Sammy arrived, looked around, and apparently asked the captain, "Where are the Jewish members?". On being told that there weren't any, he walked out. End of gala dinner, before the first serving. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:29:36 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Capt. Sensible & Robyn addendum Morris Windsor sent me some corrections to my guesses at Captain Sensible's song "Croydon," - -- apparently Morris spent some time there himself. - --- 1. it's Virgo Fidelis - Faithful Virgin to the man in the street - a Catholic Convent school to this day...it's even got it's own website! check it out - you might want to send your daughter there, were it not for the punk rockers lurking in the bushes! 2.ditto Lady Edridge Grammar School, for girls also, natch...this one has a personal connection since one of my sisters was there for a year before we decamped en famille to England's tranquil West country ( are u in the US? I'm guessing you are)- we're talking 1961/2 here 3. it's definitely Dad not Tup (farewell Dad farewell Mum, makes perfect sense, don't it?) & Blew not Bought 4. let's hear it for the mighty 'Poppadum ' the crispy deep-fried gram flour accompaniment to a billion Anglo-Indian curries... yes ,you must be American! - --- To remind everyone what this is about, here are my uncorrected attempts at transcribing the lyrics, so you can enjoy my mondegreens. Again, many thanks to Morris! Croydon - --Sensible/Hitchcock I attended Stanley Tech in South Norwood Hill I think it was, oh yeah where the bronze bust was nicked let me think, it must've been in my third year lying in wait outside Virgo for Bayliss [?] and the Lady Edredge Manner School I worked at the Fairfield Halls cleaning toilets, but I understood some day I'd be back in my own right giving concerts in my own peculiar way (laughter) but I kept my rabbit back at home and I cleaned it every other day (other day, other day, other day) and now the time has come to say farewell Tup with your sardines [?] and the tv set that I bought and now the time has come to say farewell mom to your baked beans and the proper Dons I never knew [?][Wimbledon natives? Footballers?] I'll be in Los Angeles where the famous people never quite get old yeah, in Los Angeles where they're all to rich to even feel the cold but I'll still be dreaming of you Croyden especially in the cold and rain (cold and rain, cold and rain, cold and rain) and now the time has come to say I'll be leaving Croyden way to the lovely town I once knew and now the time has come to say I'll be back another day saying sunnily [?], what a day what a day what a day what a day what a day Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:50:31 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Capt Sensible/RH. 10% KRew Too cool! I meant to write before when you 1st posted about the RH/CS records, but I've been extremely busy lately. I love them both. It took me years to find the 2nd one "The Power Of Love." TPOL is much poppier than WACF, his first release, and oddly enough I think I prefer it - -probably because I listened to WACF to death when I 1st got it years ago. But Robyn's presence is far greater on "The Power Of Love." Lots more guitar, vocals, and song writing credits. I recently heard in a Robyn interview that the Captain gave Robyn some scrap paper that had the idea of Croydon written on it. Robyn then turned the idea into the lyrics. Too bad the Captain and Robyn no longer work on songs together. I read on the Captain's website not too long ago that Robyn doesn't return his phone calls and they have lost contact with one another. But you can never tell if the Captain is being serious or not. I wonder if it's true. They do seem like completely different people. - ----------------- I wonder why Morris and Matthew are not on the new Kimberley album. I'm still waiting for mine in the mail. Any reviews? Nuppy At Wednesday, 10 July 2002, Ross wrote: >Morris Windsor sent me some corrections to >my guesses at Captain Sensible's song "Croydon," >-- apparently Morris spent some time there >himself. > >--- > >1. it's Virgo Fidelis - Faithful Virgin to the man in the street - a >Catholic Convent school to this day...it's even got it's own website! check >it out - you might want to send your daughter there, were it not for the >punk rockers lurking in the bushes! > >2.ditto Lady Edridge Grammar School, for girls also, natch...this one has a >personal connection since one of my sisters was there for a year before we >decamped en famille to England's tranquil West country ( are u in the US? >I'm guessing you are)- we're talking 1961/2 here > >3. it's definitely Dad not Tup (farewell Dad farewell Mum, makes perfect >sense, don't it?) & Blew not Bought > >4. let's hear it for the mighty 'Poppadum ' the crispy deep-fried gram flour >accompaniment to a billion Anglo-Indian curries... yes ,you must be >American! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #225 ********************************