From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #222 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, July 6 2002 Volume 11 : Number 222 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: stumbling, forward [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Spinoffs and exotic fauna ["Rex.Broome" ] Frank, Phil and Death ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Archie Bunker and pals [glen uber ] I've got a bike... [Jill Brand ] Re: Spinoffs [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Archie Bunker and pals [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Frank, Phil and Death [Jeff Dwarf ] off to see Fric Chaud [Jill Brand ] Paging Mr Lowe & Mr Palmer (NYC & CHI) [Mike Swedene ] Reptiles, racists, and ancient comedy [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Digna] SNL Cast [Mike Swedene ] Re: I've got a brand new pair of rollerskates [Ken Weingold ] Surrealist post generator ["No Name" ] File Sharing Halted [" FS Thomas" ] Re: cinerama again [" FS Thomas" ] Re: reap ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: spinoff city ["Russ Reynolds" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:11:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: stumbling, forward On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, gSs wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > The penalty enhancement against hate crimes is intended to reflect this > > larger social harm. > > were does it stop, at things the victim had no control over like the > color of their skin, nation or origin, homosexuality or do we > start including religion, political affiliations etc...? I don't know. That's why you, or I, don't make the laws all by our lonesomes. > if i kill your sister because she won't have sex with me, should > i get a less severe punishment than if i killed her because she was mexican, > for example? This is the Kitty Dukakis question, right? Look, as I said before, if you *had* killed my sister for any reason (I suppose you threw the other phrase in just to rile me up), I probably would personally want to throw away any ethical or political statement I might generally make regarding laws and make you an exception to them. But that's because I'm a human being, directly affected by the crime. Those are not the people who should make the laws, which should take into account the interests of society in general. But if you were running around killing or threatening to kill Mexicans, or killed one and said that's why you killed him, the penalty enhancement exists because every Mexican now becomes worried about copycat crimes, etc. (And whoever pointed out that hate crimes laws are better thought about in terms of crimes other than murder, I agree with you) The same is not true of you killing a woman in a "crime of passion" sort of manner. > aren't nearly all sex crimes against women a result of hate? Which is why rape and attempted rape are more serious crimes than other kinds of physical assault - because rape is a targeted crime, which women *in general* would then fear. I'm not sure why this is a problem for you, or why you somehow view it as the sort of thing where "when will it end?" is a problem. You do realize that if someone were running around burning down the houses of white, upper-middle-class heterosexuals, and doing for explicitly because that's who those people were, hate crime legislation would apply there, too? It's not just a minority protection law. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::glibby glop gloopy nibby nobby noopy la la la la lo:: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:23:25 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Spinoffs and exotic fauna Kay: >>. But in the middle he teamed up with a bandleader and arranger, Nelson Riddler Admittedly I had to check, but it turns out to be Nelson Riddle... although you were probably being funny. I like it. >>And I think liking post-Barrett Pink Floyd might just be a guy thing. Apparently not, in my case. But you are too right; I remember Floyd albums being prized possessions and the subjects of endless debate for the rich kids with the biggest and best stereo systems in the freshman dorms. Ken: >>what about dick van dyke? it begat the new dick van dyke, the mary tyler moore >>show, lou grant, the mary tyler moore hour, and rhoda. I think that spinoff are technically meant to feature the same characters as the parent series, not just the actors. So "Frasier" is a spinoff, but "MTM" not so much. Certainly nobody would say that "Newhart" is a spinoff of "The Bob Newhart Show", right? gSs: >>sirens can can grow over 2 feet in length. I lost track, these are amphibians, not reptiles, right? That's remarkable. Are they basically salamander-like, as with the other you mentioned? Stewart: >>Can I just say that the American House Centipede (Scutigera coleoptera) >>is the best bug ever? I happened across a really cool black and red millipede while the wife and I were hiking in W.Va. last year. I just kind of exclaimed "Damn, that is one rock and roll millipede!!!"... by the time we reached the summit of Seneca Rocks I had about nine verses to a way-sub-Robyn 12-bar blues tune called "Rock and Roll Millipede" which I somehow have managed to forget to commit to tape. The bits I can remember: "Look out mama, I'm a rock and roll millipede/Look at my carapace, all sculptured and filligreed/It don't matter whether you said yes or you disagreed/I'm a hard-rocking fast-walking hardcore millipede".... and even worse, "Well I saw you with my woman, you was fondling her eggsac/Look out Joe, here comes a bitch of a payback/Gonna lash you with my tail so hard it feels like a whip-crack/Then I'll open up my mandibles and consume you like a six-pack". Clearly I was suffering from some form of altitude sickness. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:28:49 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Frank, Phil and Death Ken: >>almost as funny as phil hartman's frank. Still miss that guy. Phil, I mean. Frank had a nice long run and did okay for himself. >>chuck death is jon langford in case you didn't know. Yup. The busiest man in unpopular culture (as he likes to call it). - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:31:19 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: Re: Archie Bunker and pals Michael earnestly scribbled: >Interestingly, "Happy Days" shot off four: "Laverne & Shirley," "Mork and >Mindy," "Out of the Blue," and "Joanie Loves Chachi" not including the >related cartoons, so it may be a tie...though in number only. Maybe "Andy >Griffith's: spinoffs were good, but AITF's should get the nod for most at >the highest quality. Actually, "Happy Days" was originally spun off of "Love, American Style." - -- Cheers! - -g- "We're all different versions of the same thing." - --Robyn Hitchcock glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:51:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: I've got a bike... I, too, am talking about the post-Barrett days when I express my blah attitude towards Pink Floyd. I remember when my brother got the first Floyd album as a British import, and my mother thought that it was cute because it had a song about a bicycle. I always liked the album but never owned it myself so I've forgotten most of what was on it. It's Roger the ever-bombastic Waters who makes me choke. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:30:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Spinoffs "Rex.Broome" wrote: > Ken: >>what about dick van dyke? it begat the new dick van dyke, the mary >>tyler moore show, lou grant, the mary tyler moore hour, and rhoda. > > I think that spinoff are technically meant to feature the same > characters as the parent series, not just the actors. So "Frasier" > is a spinoff, but "MTM" not so much. Certainly nobody would say > that "Newhart" is a spinoff of "The Bob Newhart Show", right? not until the last episode aired. then, they might've argued it was actually an outright sequel. you know, you really ought to wear more sweaters.... ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:39:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Archie Bunker and pals Michael Wells wrote: > the broomester writes: > > I think AITF may hold the record for most spin-off series ever. > > I thought "Mary Tyler Moore" might be the answer, at least with > "Rhoda," Phyllis" and Mr. Immunity himself "Lou Grant," and you made > me curious enough to look it up. > > I'll give you "Archie Bunker's Place," "The Jeffersons," and "Gloria" > as direct spinoffs and agree that "Maude" qualifies, even though she > was a cousin or something from AITF, so that's four. yep. after Bea Arthur made her guest appearance on AITF, CBS execs told Lear they really wanted a series with her as the Maude character, so they went with it. > "Good Times" and "Checking In" were spun from the spinoffs, as it > were, starring the maids of "Maude" and "The Jeffersons" > respectively. And I don't even remember "704 Hauser" (Archie's old > house address), and will disqualify that on the grounds that > the house didn't have any lines. it lasted about a week in the mid-90's. John Amos as sort of a reverse Archie, with a Buppie Republican son, etc. truly awful. strange that Amos would agree to do a Lear show considering the reasons he left "Good Times*," but I guess he can't afford to be choosy or decided it was all gasoline under the bridge. I'm assuming Checking In failed pretty quickly, considering that Marla Gibbs was on every episode of "The Jeffersons" I've ever seen, and she immediately went to that other show, with that annoying Jackeeeee moron right after it was cancelled. *the, he felt, over-reliance on the cartoony -- and racially stereotypical -- aspects of Jimmie Walker's schtick. > Interestingly, "Happy Days" shot off four: "Laverne & Shirley," "Mork > and Mindy," "Out of the Blue," and "Joanie Loves Chachi" not including > the related cartoons, so it may be a tie...though in number only. > Maybe "Andy Griffith's: spinoffs were good, but AITF's should get the > nod for most at the highest quality. > > For the record, "Enos" from "The Dukes of Hazzard" and the "Sheriff > Lobo" episodes that spun from "BJ and the Bear" were my favorites. > Man, TV ruled back then. > > Michael "back when SNL was actually funny" Wells it's always easier to be funny without Chris Kattan than with. ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:45:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Frank, Phil and Death "Rex.Broome" wrote: > Ken: >>almost as funny as phil hartman's frank. > > Still miss that guy. Phil, I mean. Frank had a nice long run and > did okay for himself. Phil Hartman's Sinatra is positively the best impression in the history of filmed and/or recorded media. and his Clinton beat the crap out of Darrell Hammond's too. and his McMahon was great. except for Bill Murray, easily the best SNL cast member ever. he even managed to make a lot of those episodes from the dark Spade-Sandler-Farley days watchable (as long as you taped it, so you could fast forward through Spade, Sandler, and Farley). and yes, I am saying over Belushi. and not just Jim (though John _was_ great). ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:53:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: off to see Fric Chaud We are off to Quebec for 8 days, but John Hedges, I will get back to you! I'll send the CDs before I leave. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Paging Mr Lowe & Mr Palmer (NYC & CHI) LAST CALL! Here is the last call for Mr. Palmer or Mr Lowe. I have cds waiting for your branches and eventually leaves of the Chicago and NYC shows. If I do not hear from them, I will be contacting a few other people on the list who have offered help and we will fill the leaves in. Lists, Loves and Lobster! Herbie np -> "Polythene pam (Take 7)" Beatles Unsurpassed Masters 5 >>> Branch H: Peter Palmer PlPalmer@popd.ix.netcom.com >>> = Michael Bachman >> Michael.Bachman@fanucrobotics.com >>> = Melissa Higuchi mel@higuchi.org >>> = Keith Clyne keith.clyne@intel.com >>> >>> Branch I: Aaron Lowe aaron@hollowstreets.net >>> = Robert Rizzo robertrizzo33@nyc.rr.com >>> = Marc Holden Marc Holden >>> = John Simon simon50@aol.com "I propose to use what is left of the town's treasury and take it and move to a far better town and run for mayor!" -Mayor "Diamond Joe" Quimby ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 17:41:52 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Reptiles, racists, and ancient comedy >Wow - sounds incredible... I'm jealous of your fauna - here in Oxford, >though we do have the odd lizard, you won't ever see them. If you're very >lucky you might see a grass snake or slow worm (like a lizard without >legs), but you'd have to be very lucky... otherwise we have frogs, toads >and the occasional newt in the amphibian stakes... I guess here in the >UK, we've been wiping out our indigenous species for so long, there isn't >much left... sigh. I miss grass snakes. NZ is a completely snake-free zone. Then again, we do have geckos, skinks and (sadly only on a couple of protected islands) tuatara. Oh, and frogs. Loads of 'em. Sadly no turtles,. tortoises or terrapins (although a few leatherbacks and greens do swim round the northern coast - never seen one in the wild, though). >I was giving some thought to what might be perceived from observing racist >terminology in British comedies of yesteryear... two things come to mind. one thing definitely comes to mind for me. Half of the humour of Mrs Slocombe was her malapropisms. Isn't it just feasible that (given the un-PC nature of the time the show was aired), there might have been intended humour in her using the wrong racial slur? >>>I'm not familiar with AITF. > >I think it was very similar to the British show: bigoted curmudgeonly dad, >his nicey-nice old-fashioned wife, bubble-headed modern daughter, and her >liberal hippie-ish boyfriend (played by now-bigshot-director Rob Reiner); >recurring conflict with upwardly-mobile black neighbors (who would >eventually be spun off into The Jeffersons"). Sound about right? > >I think AITF may hold the record for most spin-off series ever. not only that, but it may be the only show which had a spinoff which had a spinoff - AITF begat Maude begat Good Times, IIRC - and it's quite possible that Good Times also had a spin off with JJ "Dyn-o-mite", but if it did it must have been mercifully short-lived. Are there any other shows which had spinoffs which had spinoffs? >I thought "Mary Tyler Moore" might be the answer, at least with "Rhoda," >Phyllis" and Mr. Immunity himself "Lou Grant," and you made me curious >enough to look it up. FWIW I think the British record is probably "Man About the House", with "George & Mildred" and "Robin's Nest". (Unless you count "Seven of one" which you can't really - it was a series of seven one-off comedies by Ronnie Barker, several of which became series in their own right, notably Porridge and Open All Hours, IIRC). James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:10:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: SNL Cast I miss Phil Hartman too.... as was stated before I deleted the email (sorry). Every Simpsons Episode reminds me how talented he was... Another SNL Great and personal fav of mine is John Lovitz... funny guy. Herbie np-> "Maybe I"m Amazed" Macca :0) ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:49:51 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: I've got a brand new pair of rollerskates On Fri, Jul 5, 2002, Jill Brand wrote: > I, too, am talking about the post-Barrett days when I express my blah > attitude towards Pink Floyd. I remember when my brother got the first > Floyd album as a British import, and my mother thought that it was cute > because it had a song about a bicycle. I always liked the album but never > owned it myself so I've forgotten most of what was on it. It's Roger the > ever-bombastic Waters who makes me choke. Huh. The pre and post Barrett days are definitely different, but I love both. I think Meddle is incredible. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 18:45:45 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Solaris and time - -- James Dignan is rumored to have mumbled on Dienstag, 2. Juli 2002 14:58 Uhr +1200 regarding Re: Solaris and time: >> I've only seen that film once, so I should definitely watch it again, but >> at this point I'd say that Tom Tykwer's other movies are even better. My >> favorite would be "Winterschlaefer", with "Der Krieger und die Kaiserin" >> and "Heaven" tied for second place. After that I'd pick "Lola rennt". >> Tykwer's first movie, "Die toedliche Maria", is interesting, but much >> weaker than his later offers. > > I'll have to keep an eye out for those, athough I think Lola is the only > one which got much of a release outside Germany. How about "the princess and the warrior"? If it's been released in the US I'd expect it to at least be available on video or DVD in NZ ... - -- guapo stick is rumored to have mumbled on Dienstag, 2. Juli 2002 12:15 Uhr -0400 regarding Re: Solaris and time: > when we last left our heroes, Sebastian Hagedorn exclaimed: > >> Has anybody else seen something other than "Lola rennt"? > > we watched "der Krieger und die Kaiserin" ("the princess and the warrior" > on these shores) a couple weekends and i really enjoyed it. can't really > put my finger on why or how though -- i don't think about movies in that > way (which is why i rarely take part in the film critic discussions here) > -- but i found its slow pace and unfolding very intriguing. Precisely. Don't expect other "Run Lola Run" style movies from Tykwer. It's the only fast paced movie he's made. I'm a bit surprised that none of you seems to have seen "Heaven", his latest movie. It's an international production based on a script by Kieszlowski and starring Cate Blanchett as the lead actress. Hasn't that yet come out in other countries? A quick trip to IMDB reveals that it is in fact scheduled to come out during the next few months: Country Date Germany 6 February 2002 (Berlin International Film Festival) Germany 21 February 2002 Austria 1 March 2002 Russia 18 April 2002 Switzerland 6 June 2002 (German speaking region) Israel 20 June 2002 UK 9 August 2002 Argentina 15 August 2002 Australia 12 September 2002 Netherlands 12 September 2002 Belgium 16 October 2002 USA 25 October 2002 Highly recommended! The reviews were mixed, but I loved it. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:11:50 +0000 From: "No Name" Subject: Surrealist post generator On the dago debate: >this is incorrect, it is not used exclusively to describe spanish >people >by the british. that has already been affirmed by another brit >and by >slocombe, no? As a dyslexic "blessed" by the gift of humerous malapropisms(such as having a Batman villian do Sinatra's arrangments;-) may I point out that part of Mrs Slocum's comedic appeal is her wrong-headed malapropisms(although it could be argued that an even greater part of the comedy is in her inability to accept that she had mispoken and her resulting slow burn.) I have little idea how the Brits really use slang(thou like most yanks I like to think I do;-)o I have no idea what the exact nuances of dago are. But I do know to take Mrs Slocum usuages with a grain of salt. And a smile. - ------------ Steve on Sinatra and Riddle: >Fool's gold, if you ask me. ;) Isnt folly the begining of wisdom ;-? - ------------- Shell: >aren't nearly all sex crimes against women a result of hate? good point. And arent most crimes? In most crimes dosn't hate outweigh love? The mythical father stealing to get his kid life-saving medicine is pretty mythical, and if true, not really a crime thou it may be illegal. I was painting last night and overheard a TV show my daughter was watching about a con man. His take was his done what he'd done cause he didn't know better and it was fun. But his ex-wife said he was fueled by hate -- hate that people live in a world where love and trust exist. It was an interesting take on what might have otherwise seemed an almost appealing criminal. Nevertheless Greg's question resonated on something Ive been trying to puzzle out lately. Why do (some) guys hate woman with such viralence? Woman can hate guys too but I don't think with anything like the fevor or malice that guys can reserve for us. Thinking about it I actually came to the concliusion that its becasue woman can be part male(And I don't just mean imaginatively, or that we both have both sexs' hormones in us), and its hard to hate in that way what can be a part of yourself. What I mean is that woman may bear male children. So somehow we don't see males as quite as "other" as males can see us. That may be a crock of shit. Anyway, since there are a bunch of smart males and females on this list, I was wondering how others view this. Because to be truthful, Ive known very very few ball-crunching, male-dispizing females. It's almost like that image is a projection of the male's reaction to their own hatred, cause I have run into guys who really do seem to hate woman. Is my premise wrong, is there no tendency for guys to hate females more than females hate males? And if my premise is not wrong, what accounts for it? - ------------------ skinks?!? I like iguana's. As a kid I made friends with one and used to feed it hibiscus blossums by hand. There was something perfect in watching a small dragon eat a tropical flower. - --------------------- Rex: > no big dif, right? Right. - ---------- Kay "Your hair is reminiscent of a digesting iguana Surrealist compliment generator. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:28:24 -0400 From: " FS Thomas" Subject: File Sharing Halted The RIAA has unveiled a new method of derailing illegal ripping/sharing of files. Read the details here: http://www.urbanreflex.com/may24_02/record.html - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 14:51:03 -0400 From: " FS Thomas" Subject: Re: cinerama again - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleanore Adams" > Ok, I have to give this one a 2 thumbs up. I don't have the time or > fortitude to give a song by song review, but if you love the lyrics and > guitar of such songs as "Suck" and "sports car" and "what have i said > now?" it will be worth your $15. Haven't heard it yet but it was nice to see the band playing Weddos songs on the last tour (and looking forward to this year's rendition.) - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 14:09:36 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: reap > Subject: reap > > the splendid splinter ted williams, 83 There goes the greatest hitter who ever lived. No question Williams would have had at least 150 more HR's had he not missed 5 years in the prime of his career because of military service. In fact 200 is probably closer to the mark since, as driven as he was to be the best I'm certain he would have played longer if necessary to pass Ruth had he been that close. Long live Willie Mays, now unquestionably the greatest living ballplayer. (though truth be told, Mays--who lost about 100 HR's to military service himself--has held that position for at least 35 years, despite what anyone in the DiMaggio camp says). - - rUss PS: None of this is meant to slight Robyn Hitchcock, who, had he not missed his entire playing career due to a devotion to rock & roll, surely would have socked about 790 homers. "I've found that you don't need to wear a necktie if you can hit." -- Ted Williams ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 14:30:13 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: spinoff city > what about dick van dyke? it begat the new dick van dyke, the mary tyler > moore show, lou grant, the mary tyler moore hour, and rhoda. there were > two different 'mary' shows, one in the seventies and one in the eighties; > and the 'mary and rhoda' tv special. i don't know if all of these count; > but i think that they beat out all in the family. A great show which spawned several great shows, but not one spinoff as far as I know; none of the *characters* had lives beyond the Dick Van Dyke show. Interestingly, when the Mary Tyler Moore show was first conceived Mary Richards was supposed to be a divorcee. But the fear was that even though Mary Richards and Laura Petrie were two entirely different characters, the public would perceive Mary as being divorced from Dick Van Dyke and therefore would be less sympathetic to her character, so they made her unmarried instead. - -rUss ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #222 ********************************