From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #221 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, July 5 2002 Volume 11 : Number 221 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #220 [R Edward Poole ] Re: new music [Aaron Mandel ] Sling Blade/To Kill a Mockingbird [Jill Brand ] weeellllll [Jill Brand ] Re: stumbling, forward [gSs ] Re: Names (0% RH) [steve ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #220 [gSs ] Sinatra/Astaire/Floyd ["No Name" ] Today's barmy technology [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Sinatra (he sucks) [steve ] Re: Names (0% RH) [gSs ] Re: stumbling, forward [gSs ] Re: stumbling, forward ["matt sewell" ] great centipedes of the world [Stewart Russell ] Re: stumbling, forward ["matt sewell" ] Action Alert: MTV Promoting Pit Bull Breeding (fwd) [gSs ] the death knoll for small webcasters? [Ken Ostrander ] More bad racism: Old Skool vs. New Skool ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: More bad racism: Old Skool vs. New Skool [gSs ] Re: Archie Bunker and pals ["Michael Wells" ] Re: spinoff city [Ken Ostrander ] The Dukes of Hazzard take Tiger Mountain ["Rex.Broome" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 20:50:11 -0400 From: R Edward Poole Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #220 drew: >> I don't want an implanted anything. I'd leave the country first. > gSs: > you may actually have to leave the plant. a national id is coming soon, > then: > > earthid.gov > > they'll slip it under your brow and you won't even know it. > ...which allows for two recent topics to be wrapped up in a tidy little conspiracy theory: there exists a certain strain of millennial-apocalyptic fundamentalist christians who believe that such electronic i.d.'s are not only the tools of the u.n.-sponsored, black helicopter-riding, gun-confiscating army of the new world order, but also constitute the literal 'mark of the beast' and a sure sign that 'the end times' are at hand, See, for example: http://www.millenniumhope.info/article1023.html these guys are a particularly colorful example of such paranoia-filled ravings, as they ask a question that's been bothering me for years -- "As children flock (yes, flock) to become the first humans with identification chip implants, how far are we from becoming the Borg?" how far, indeed? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:04:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: new music On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > And has anyone heard of a Washington (state) band called The > Revolutionary Hydra or something like that? I got one of their records > from the cheapie bin. The sleeve design is awesome, all > (faux-?)Beardsley, but the music is pretty generic indiepop, complete > with the least charismatic and musical vocals I think I've ever heard. > Just curious if there's more than meets the ear here. Since Eb is not here to make fun of me for knowing: I remember that green album being entertaining, but I wasn't moved to listen to it more than once. I think I've heard most of the bands on that label (Barsuk) at this point, and most of the boring ones sound kind of like TRH, so Occam's Razor backs up our opinion. In a way. Also... you like Cinerama but haven't heard the Weddoes? Hm. Not being a Cinerama fan my advice may not be useful, but you might try Saturnalia first -- when it's slow I think it stumbles in the same way that I've always thought Cinerama did, but at least half of it is amazing. Or else get the Wedding Present Singles 1989-91 discs if you want more of an overview in a single (larger) purchase. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:34:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Sling Blade/To Kill a Mockingbird Yes, Boo and Carl were both protectors of children. Boo was played by Robert Duvall (his first role - Mr. Arthur Radley); Carl's father was played by Robert Duvall as well. Both movies are beyond wonderful. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:51:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: weeellllll Sebastian wrote: "We have this in Germany, and have had this forever, AFAIC. It's called "Personalausweis". You're *supposed* to have it on you at all times, but that isn't really enforced. I don't feel negatively about this at all. Germany is no police state. It's not like you are controlled all the time or anything." I'm assuming that things have changed a great deal in Germany since I lived there from 1975-1978, but I've got to say, at that time, the 'control' of identity wasn't equally distributed. I have dark hair and, when tan, have extremely dark skin. I lived in Hamburg, where I learned to redefine the concept of blond (new definition: albino but with blue eyes). I was routinely stopped and asked for my ID because of my coloring, no doubt about it. The goal was to kick undocumented guest workers out of the country. I used to complain of this to my German apartment-mates, one of whom (Thomas) is now my husband, and they pooh-poohed it, saying that it was coincidental that this had happened to me on more than one occasion. Then one time after Thomas and I returned from a vacation in warmer climes and I had reached the pinnacle of the perfect tan, we were stopped by the police in front of our apartment house. They asked to see our IDs (this had never happened to blond-haired/blue-eyed Thomas before). When we produced the IDs (which also contain your address) and after inspection, one of the policemen said "Steht das Haus noch?", which basically means "Does this building still exist?" Thomas furiously pointed to the door of the house, over which the address was written. The ID isn't the problem. It's the way it is used that can be the problem. Most people don't realize that until they themselves have been singled out and treated with little respect. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:17:01 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: stumbling, forward On Thu, 4 Jul 2002, matt sewell wrote: > Greg sa: Slokum used it to describe a greek and a frenchman. > I sa: As any fule kno, it's Mrs Slocombe (first name Betty) and I think > you'll find she was using it to describe someone Spanish. actually i remember it happening twice. the first time i heard her say it, i do not remember the nationality of the person but the other time i remember specifically when she was stood up by a greek man on her wedding day. > Because, the word dago, here in England, is a derogatory term for the > Spanish. Blackadder used it to describe someone Spanish, because the > word dago is used *exclusively* about the Spanish... are you starting to > see what I'm saying? this is incorrect, it is not used exclusively to describe spanish people by the british. that has already been affirmed by another brit and by slocombe, no? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:40:19 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Names (0% RH) On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 10:15 PM, Fric Chaud wrote: > On 3 Jul 2002 at 13:16, gSs wrote: > > >> that is funny you should say that. i saw the biggest damn red-ear I >> have ever seen yesterday just as he was falling off the curb onto >> forest road between US75 and hillcrest in dallas. i slid him down a >> gulley into a creek nearby. > > Wait!!! You are a good guy? Except that I think Greg might have been on Forest *Lane*. - - Steve __________ Pat Robertson's resignation this month as president of the Christian Coalition confirmed the ascendance of a new leader of the religious right in America: George W. Bush. - Dana Milbank ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:38:03 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #220 > "As children flock (yes, flock) to become the first humans with > identification chip implants, how far are we from becoming the Borg?" i've seen some cute borg chics. and except for the sex part, why shouldn't they like it. we are programming them with the commercials on pay tv. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:43:28 +0000 From: "No Name" Subject: Sinatra/Astaire/Floyd Jill: >I don't get what anyone sees in Frank Sinatra. To me >he will always be the guy who could take a great Fred Astaire song >and >wreck it.And I've never understood the big fuss about Pink Floyd (I'm >ducking and covering now). That is so funny. And true. Early and very late Frank are of little use to me. But in the middle he teamed up with a bandleader and arranger, Nelson Riddler, who took Sinatra and made gold. Somewhere I found a quote by Riddler which was to the effect that he made all his arrangments work to "the rhythm of sex." Don't know if thats how he did his magic, but magic it was. Also Sinatra's phrasing improved tremendously with age(until the silly years)so some of his post-Riddler stuff also works for me. Love the Brazilian period. Astaire wasnt really a singer, he got by on phrasing(which showcased his sense of rhythm) and wit, which works well for me. But I hate later stuff he did where they'd team him up with syruply-sweet orchestras. For older singers, alot depended not just on the choice of material, but also on the arranger. And I think liking post-Barrett Pink Floyd might just be a guy thing. Kay, now also ducking and covering. "Your hair is reminiscent of a digesting yak." Surrealist compliment generator. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:44:02 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Today's barmy technology I know this isn't the gyrocars list, but even so, it's worth having a look at: - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:48:40 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Sinatra (he sucks) On Friday, July 5, 2002, at 08:43 AM, No Name wrote: > Early and very late Frank are of little use to me. But in the middle he > teamed up with a bandleader and arranger, Nelson Riddler, who took > Sinatra and made gold. Fool's gold, if you ask me. ;) - - Steve __________ Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse, the bumbling, tongue-tied Dick Armey announces his retirement as House majority leader and the shrewd, malevolent Tom DeLay, now Republican whip, moves quickly-and probably successfully-to succeed him. - Cragg Hines, Houston Chronicle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:46:54 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Names (0% RH) On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, steve wrote: > On Thursday, July 4, 2002, at 10:15 PM, Fric Chaud wrote: > > On 3 Jul 2002 at 13:16, gSs wrote: > > > > Wait!!! You are a good guy? compared to what? > Except that I think Greg might have been on Forest *Lane*. correct, forest lane not road, texan. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:14:51 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: stumbling, forward On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > The penalty enhancement against hate crimes is intended to reflect this > larger social harm. were does it stop, at things the victim had no control over like the color of their skin, nation or origin, homosexuality or do we start including religion, political affiliations etc...? if i kill your sister because she won't have sex with me, should i get a less severe punishment than if i killed her because she was mexican, for example? aren't nearly all sex crimes against women a result of hate? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 15:18:09 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: stumbling, forward No. If they're using the term about non-Spanish people, they're wrong... as James pointed out, it's a corruption of Diego... Perhaps I'm making a bigger deal of this than needs be? Yes, you're right, I am... I'm much more interested in red ears on forest lanes in Texas... reptiles in forests on a distant continent are far more interesting, to me at least, than arguing the toss over (hopefully redundant) racial slurs... Cheers Matt >From: gSs >this is incorrect, it is not used exclusively to describe spanish people >by the british. that has already been affirmed by another brit and >by slocombe, no? > >gSs - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 10:36:43 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: great centipedes of the world Can I just say that the American House Centipede (Scutigera coleoptera) is the best bug ever? Imagine an oversized pair of tiger-striped false eyelashes animated by the Brothers Quay, and you might be near the mark. I like 'em, but Catherine hates all scuttling things, alas. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:05:56 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: stumbling, forward On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, matt sewell wrote: > Perhaps I'm making a bigger deal of this than needs be? we, is probably more appropriate. > I'm much more interested in red ears on forest lanes in Texas... reptiles > in forests on a distant continent are far more interesting, to me at > least, than arguing the toss over (hopefully redundant) racial slurs... it was actually not in a forest but on a road called forest lane, near a kind of upper crust neighborhood in north dallas, close to where i work. turtles, gecos, and other reptiles are fairly common. the really neat turtles are the snappers with the alligator snapping turtles being the most interesting and dangerous. the alligator gar is also very interesting and abundant and giant catfish are common. salamanders are pretty neat and there are lots of these in texas. the typhlomolge rathbuni or blind texas salamander is found only in subterranean streams in the purgatory creek system in the balcones escarpment near san marcos. quite a variety including amphiumas (the three toed variety can grow to almost 4 feet), lungless, waterdogs or mudpuppies, sirens and newts. sirens can can grow over 2 feet in length. and of course we can't forget the skinks. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:34:20 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: stumbling, forward Wow - sounds incredible... I'm jealous of your fauna - here in Oxford, though we do have the odd lizard, you won't ever see them. If you're very lucky you might see a grass snake or slow worm (like a lizard without legs), but you'd have to be very lucky... otherwise we have frogs, toads and the occasional newt in the amphibian stakes... I guess here in the UK, we've been wiping out our indigenous species for so long, there isn't much left... I remember finding a wild tortoise in Greece, which totally blew me away... I've always found reptiles absolutely fascinating... Cheers Matt >it was actually not in a forest but on a road called forest lane, near a >kind of upper crust neighborhood in north dallas, close to where i work. >turtles, gecos, and other reptiles are fairly common. the really neat >turtles are the snappers with the alligator snapping turtles being the >most interesting and dangerous. the alligator gar is also very interesting >and abundant and giant catfish are common. salamanders are pretty neat and >there are lots of these in texas. the typhlomolge rathbuni or blind texas >salamander is found only in subterranean streams in the purgatory creek >system in the balcones escarpment near san marcos. quite a variety >including amphiumas (the three toed variety can grow to almost 4 feet), >lungless, waterdogs or mudpuppies, sirens and newts. sirens can can grow >over 2 feet in length. and of course we can't forget the skinks. > >gSs - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:39:13 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Action Alert: MTV Promoting Pit Bull Breeding (fwd) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Recently MTV aired a show that featured Outkast member Big Boi's pit bull breeding farm, "Pitt Falls." Although Big Boi claims, "We take care of our animals," as he points to the row of cages that he calls the "Courtyard Marriott in the woods," it's obvious that he thinks of them as nothing more than breeding machines. And the conditions these dogs live in certainly do not back up his words. These dogs are hooked to a fence with short, heavy chains, and they sit on concrete with no food, water, or shade in sight. Their ears are cut almost down to the bone-the "fighting crop"-to prevent dogs' ears from being bitten off in fights. Write to MTV and let them know that it is totally irresponsible for them to air this segment which promotes pit bull breeding. Please see the link below for more details and contact info for MTV. You'll also find a link below for PETA's Guide to Letter Writing in case you need a refresher. http://www.peta.org/alert/automation/AlertItem.asp?id=486 http://www.peta.org/alert/tkit.html To sign up to receive PETA's Action Alerts regularly, please go to http://www.peta.org/alert/automation/subs.html. Thank you! For the animals, Patricia Patricia Trostle Humane Education Coordinator People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals 501 Front St. Norfolk, VA 23510 757-622-7382, ext. 1450 www.petakids.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:25:55 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: God, Sinatra, Turtles and Floyd Saith Kay: >>Or maybe I just believe in the sort of God who would get a kick out of >>creating ethically-principled aithiests who act and love way better than >>most Christians:-) Rock on with that one! A strange misapprehension about atheists is that they are somehow nihilists (or callous hedonists). Nope, most of us have seem to have moral compasses which are really similar to the more salient aspects of, say, the predominant Judeo-Christian ethics that are routinely observed today. Y'know, love one another, don't be a dick to yr fellow man, don't kill or steal etc. Of course, we don't follow the old protocols about sacrifice and dowries, etc., but neither do mainstream religious folk. And the finer points of applying scripture to the modern world-- abortion/death penalty/homosexuality etc.-- are kind of unsolved questions for the faithful, too. So no big dif, right? Glenn's turtle suggestions: >>What else? Flo and Eddie! Hell. I can't beat that! Jill on Sinatra and the Floyd: >>I don't get what anyone sees in Frank Sinatra. To me >>he will always be the guy who could take a great Fred Astaire song and >>wreck it. And I've never understood the big fuss about Pink Floyd (I'm >>ducking and covering now). Sinatra-- just heard some guy on the radio creaming over his phrasing, and making the usual big fuss over how he sang everything a bit differently every time. I just don't get it-- who *doesn't* do that? And I'm not much for the post-Barrett Floyd myself. Overblown and overplayed. Oddly I seem to like more and more artists and records who are unabashedly influenced by the Waters-era Floyd (like modern Flaming Lips or Air), but I just can't see myself getting into those Floyd records by transitive property. I've been involuntarily exposed to them too much already. Plus I am really really tired of hearing acoustic-slingers covering "Wish You Were Here" or "Shine On Crazy Diamond" and waxing poetic about how it's all a heartfelt tribute to "this guy who started the band, Syd Barrett" and then finding out they've never heard a Barrett recording in their lives. Can't find a link to the Great Pop Things cartoon about Pink Floyd but it were great. One panel read something like "After Syd left, the Floyd went no good and never made any decent records anymore", which was crossed out and followed up by "The band bravely soldiered on and soared to new artistic heights under the direction of Roger Waters". Joining Jill in the bunker, Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:12:59 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: reap the splendid splinter ted williams, 83 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:31:39 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: the death knoll for small webcasters? The rates set by the Librarian of Congress (LOC) will force most stations off the Internet by December 31, 2002. The list of stations off the internet due to this problem is growing daily. While the LOC's rates are lower than originally suggested by CARP, they're still several times many stations' annual revenue. But with a new ruling comes a new comment period, so it's time to contact your senator or congressperson right now! Go to "Save our Streams" central below for an easy way to send your comments to your elected officials via the web. If these rates are not repealed, hundreds of radio & web-only stations will not only be fiscally forced to shut down, but will be liable for retroactive licensing fees dating back to October 28th 1998. http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~willr/cb/sos/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:58:11 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: More bad racism: Old Skool vs. New Skool Re: Matt & Greg on '70's TV racism: I was giving some thought to what might be perceived from observing racist terminology in British comedies of yesteryear... two things come to mind. First, any non-US citizen who's seen a lot of "All in the Family" might assume that "jigger" was a common derogatory term for blacks in the US in the '70's... when really it was just kind of a dodge. Archie Bunker was clearly meant to be using a much more incendiary term. Second, at least in the US media, that very term is much more widely heard now than it was then, but somewhat ironically you could never have a character like Bunker today. Anyone who outwardly expresses any kind of bigotry is automatically a villain and pretty much irredeemable. (Interestingly Bunker could say "spic" and "chink" without much trouble... pretty much unthinkable for the protagonist of a top 10 sitcom these days). How does that stack up with the status quo in the UK these days? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 14:10:52 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: More bad racism: Old Skool vs. New Skool Rex.Broome wrote: > > How does that stack up with the status quo in the UK these days? Alf Garnett, the character played by Warren Mitchell (Barquentine on the TV Gormenghast) and the basis for Archie Bunker, still had a TV series in 1998 in the UK. He was toned down a little, though. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:32:43 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: More bad racism: Old Skool vs. New Skool Stewart: >>Alf Garnett, the character played by Warren Mitchell (Barquentine on the >>TV Gormenghast) and the basis for Archie Bunker, still had a TV series >>in 1998 in the UK. He was toned down a little, though. Yeah, the Bunker character was softened in the later spinoffs, too. Funny how the real-life Carrol O'Connor was such a liberal muckraker. I hadn't thought about the show for ages but I just happened to see the episode about Gloria's wedding... I was really struck by how it's both dated and yet more modern than a lot of TV today. There was a mother-daughter-wedding-night conversation that was well-acted but really '50's in tone; meanwhile, the generational/family conflicts about the religiosity of the ceremony was a lot sharper and more direct than you would get these days. At least it rang truer to me than the way most characters relate to their parents on (even the better) sitcoms today-- which is usually kind of flip and dismissive until some kind of artificial reconciliation in the 3rd act. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:48:51 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Archie Bunker and pals >>I'm not familiar with AITF. I think it was very similar to the British show: bigoted curmudgeonly dad, his nicey-nice old-fashioned wife, bubble-headed modern daughter, and her liberal hippie-ish boyfriend (played by now-bigshot-director Rob Reiner); recurring conflict with upwardly-mobile black neighbors (who would eventually be spun off into The Jeffersons"). Sound about right? I think AITF may hold the record for most spin-off series ever. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:41:58 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: RE: More bad racism: Old Skool vs. New Skool On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > Yeah, the Bunker character was softened in the later spinoffs, too. Funny > how the real-life Carrol O'Connor was such a liberal muckraker. more like an idiot muckraker. turns out he is about as bright as archie. remember when he was pushing to shift the blaim "because it's not a drug user's fault he uses drugs, it's the drug dealer's fault" and was trying to get someone else held responsible for his son's overdose and death. wasn't that actually o'connor's fault before it was anyone else's fault, besides his son's? isn't that like blaiming the bartender or the gun maker? why don't we hold parents responsible for anything the sons and daughters ever do? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:15:42 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: Archie Bunker and pals the broomester writes: > I think AITF may hold the record for most spin-off series ever. I thought "Mary Tyler Moore" might be the answer, at least with "Rhoda," Phyllis" and Mr. Immunity himself "Lou Grant," and you made me curious enough to look it up. I'll give you "Archie Bunker's Place," "The Jeffersons," and "Gloria" as direct spinoffs and agree that "Maude" qualifies, even though she was a cousin or something from AITF, so that's four. "Good Times" and "Checking In" were spun from the spinoffs, as it were, starring the maids of "Maude" and "The Jeffersons" respectively. And I don't even remember "704 Hauser" (Archie's old house address), and will disqualify that on the grounds that the house didn't have any lines. Interestingly, "Happy Days" shot off four: "Laverne & Shirley," "Mork and Mindy," "Out of the Blue," and "Joanie Loves Chachi" not including the related cartoons, so it may be a tie...though in number only. Maybe "Andy Griffith's: spinoffs were good, but AITF's should get the nod for most at the highest quality. For the record, "Enos" from "The Dukes of Hazzard" and the "Sheriff Lobo" episodes that spun from "BJ and the Bear" were my favorites. Man, TV ruled back then. Michael "back when SNL was actually funny" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 15:28:39 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: spinoff city >I think AITF may hold the record for most spin-off series ever. hmmm...what'd they have? gloria, archie bunkers place, the jeffersons. anything else? what about dick van dyke? it begat the new dick van dyke, the mary tyler moore show, lou grant, the mary tyler moore hour, and rhoda. there were two different 'mary' shows, one in the seventies and one in the eighties; and the 'mary and rhoda' tv special. i don't know if all of these count; but i think that they beat out all in the family. happy days brought us laverne & shirley, joanie loves chachi, and mork & mindy. why didn't fonzy get his own show? m*a*s*h coulda been a contender with aftermash and trapper john. did gonzo ever get his own show? ken "jumping the shark" the kenster np heathen david bowie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:41:02 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The Dukes of Hazzard take Tiger Mountain Michael Wells: >>For the record, "Enos" from "The Dukes of Hazzard" and the "Sheriff Lobo" >>episodes that spun from "BJ and the Bear" were my favorites. Man, TV ruled >>back then. I still remember my uncle, a dyed-in-the-wool SF geek, telling us how interested he was in this new show called "Enos", thinking it probably involved a futuristic city or distant planet of that name. Looking at that title now, I envision a family sitcom with an artsy-ambieant twist, staring Brian and Roger, playing Oblique Stratetgies and squabbling over producton techniques. - -Rex (slow day at work) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:30:31 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Sinatra and Floyd >(slow day at work) likewise. >>>I don't get what anyone sees in Frank Sinatra. To me >>>he will always be the guy who could take a great Fred Astaire song and >>>wreck it. And I've never understood the big fuss about Pink Floyd (I'm >>>ducking and covering now). i can take sinatra in limited doses. he did have some decent material; but turned into a self parody pretty quick. the tv special where he and elvis performed a duet of each other's tunes ('love me tender/witchcraft') demonstrates how frank's delivery really loses touch. i'd rather hear elvis do 'my way' (or anything for that matter) than frank. i know that either is hell for some of you. has anyone heard costello's live version of 'god's comic' where he jokes about elvis p's big comeback tour and immitates the king doing songs like 'i still haven't found what i'm looking for' and 'i'm on fire'? hysterical. almost as funny as phil hartman's frank. >Can't find a link to the Great Pop Things cartoon about Pink Floyd but it >were great. One panel read something like "After Syd left, the Floyd went >no good and never made any decent records anymore", which was crossed out >and followed up by "The band bravely soldiered on and soared to new artistic >heights under the direction of Roger Waters". great pop things is fabulously irreverant. chuck death is jon langford in case you didn't know. i listen to all sorts of floyd. lately, animals (in conjunction with reading 'animal farm' on my radio show http://www.webspawner.com/users/kenthekenster/index.html ) and dark side (in conjunction with the wizard of oz...yawn). i listen to meddle off and on and have fond memories of the wall, my first floyd. i got into piper after reading that robyn was influenced by syd and now it's my most often played of their albums. ken "get your filthy hands off my desert" the kenster np trey anastacio ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #221 ********************************