From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #219 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 11 : Number 219 Today's Subjects: ----------------- The Outlaw Buddy Holly ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: what is worst and what is best? [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Fwd: Matador News Update for July 2nd [guapo stick ] Re: what is worst and what is best? [gSs ] Re[2]: Interesting and Who [hamish_simpson@agilent.com] Re: stumbling, forward [Michael R Godwin ] The alternative lives of Hendrix ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: what is worst and what is best? ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: The Circulation of a Feg ["Jonathan Fetter" ] whisker to a spleen ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Names (0% RH) [Mike Swedene ] Re: Fwd: Matador News Update for July 2nd ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] RE: what is worst and what is best? [gSs ] Re: whisker to a spleen [gSs ] this is not a subject line ["ross taylor" ] Re: Names (0% RH) [gSs ] 'Nother side of Dylan ["Rex.Broome" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:31:48 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The Outlaw Buddy Holly From Glen: >>My wife is a huge Buddy Holly fan and insists that he would have >>continued his collaboration with Waylon Jennings. She thinks he would >>have been a part of that country outlaw movement with Waylon, Willie >>Nelson, Tompall Glaser and Jessi Coulter. That's a really nice thought. I was really saddened by Waylon's death. I grew up with that Outlaw stuff (I can still hear the bits where the songs fade out halfway through and the 8-track jumps to the next program) and in retrospect I think it shaped my musical tastes more than I'd realized. I still have kind of a blind spot for what was on Top 40 radio during those years, but from what I've heard, that's fine with me. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:28:56 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: what is worst and what is best? - --On Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:11:13 -0500 gSs wrote: > this kinda crap used to scare the shit out of me but now i would not call > it a neccesary evil, more like a step forward towards stability. > > http://politics.guardian.co.uk/homeaffairs/story/0,11026,748444,00.html > > Wednesday July 3, 2002 > > All UK residents could be required to hold a card with details of their > identity We have this in Germany, and have had this forever, AFAIC. It's called "Personalausweis". You're *supposed* to have it on you at all times, but that isn't really enforced. I don't feel negatively about this at all. Germany is no police state. It's not like you are controlled all the time or anything. Of course this depends on how it is employed, but if it's done like it's done here, I really don't see what's wrong with it. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Being just contaminates the void - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:29:26 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: stumbling, forward On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, matt sewell wrote: > I think you need to watch those comedies a little more closely - it's not > all that commonly used, and when it is it's used in a derogatory way > about the Spanish (hence you perhaps hearing it on Fawlty Towers). is more than once common? or does that make it acceptable? that fact that is was used at all and then used again to describe different peoples on a different show by different writers and actors was my point. there probably is not a single american who has watched those comedies any closer than myself. when was the last time you watched any of these comedies with any regularity? slokum used it to describe a greek and a frenchman on more than one occasion, edmond used it to describe a frenchman and a spaniard on more than one occasion and basil called manuel a dago more than once as did polly on at least one occasion. there are many more. some of these shows were recorded in the eighties. > Sometimes, Greg, I get the feeling you are posting from a parallel > universe...! sometimes i wonder how the obvious can be so quickly disregarded. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:42:56 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: Fwd: Matador News Update for July 2nd >Date: 3 Jul 2002 16:30:02 -0000 >To: matthew@matadorrecords.com >From: mailing-list@matadorrecords.com >Reply-To: matthew@matadorrecords.com >Subject: Matador News Update for July 2nd > >July 3, 2002 > >The Soft Boys - Nextdoorland - first new album in eons coming in >September >fresh from winter/spring 2002 recording, the reformed Soft Boys lineup >of Robyn Hitchcock, Kimberley Rew, Matthew Seligman and Morris Windsor >are men behind 'Nextdoorland' (OLE 553-1,2), coming September 24 on CD >and limited edition LP (with bonus 7"). The band will be touring North >America this coming October. > >In related news,'Robyn Sings' (Editions PAF) is a new double CD >collection of Bob Dylan covers, electric and acoustic, performed by >Robyn Hitchcock. You can purchase yours via The Museum Of Robyn >Hitchcock (http://www.robynhitchcock.com). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:43:26 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: what is worst and what is best? On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, matt sewell wrote: > Nurse! My sedatives, please... an international id card is what we really need. earthid is what i'm calling it. maybe one day that will be the big seperator. is it an earthling or not an earthling? on another note, has anyone seen 'sling blade'? one the finest movies i've seen in a long time. it can be tough on a fella, watch it with a good friend or your mother. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:52:57 -0600 From: hamish_simpson@agilent.com Subject: Re[2]: Interesting and Who > > I think the point is that the fiddle part "made" the song. It is a good song but the fiddle > part is very distinctive and lifted the whole song IMHO. Of course this is >> all very subjective and I just happen to think that BV is the absolute dog's bollocks so I > could be biased! > actualy the piece added by him should be neasured by the same > criteria every creation is meseared in order to grant it copyright, > that include originality, talent, effort and so and so, being > distinctive and charecterizing only show that there's enpugh > originality and effort to make it a different creation and to rule > that thise composition or recording is based on two or more > creations. by the way on primus records there's a special credit for > guitar solos and this is for composition not for performing. I'm sure on the Primus stuff Les is giving Ler the opportunity of some royalties because he feels the solos are a significant part of the songs. (And possibly he wants to share money with his mate.) In the Bluebells case though I think that the fiddle part is huge in defining the song. That's the part that most people latch on to. It would be reasonable to argue that the Bluebells wouldn't have made anything like the money they made without it. OTOH though he was a session muso and presumably signed a contract as such.... If you get a chance check out Bobby Valentino's solo effort (I think there was only one). It's fooking great! (H) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:58:37 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: stumbling, forward On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, matt sewell wrote: > I think you need to watch those comedies a little more closely - it's not > all that commonly used, and when it is it's used in a derogatory way > about the Spanish (hence you perhaps hearing it on Fawlty Towers). I agree that 'dago' (or even 'greasy dago') is derogatory for Spanish in particular, but also Italian and Med generally. But the usual term for Italians is the unimaginitive "Eye-tyes" (short for Eye-talians). Definitely wrong for the French though: the derogatory term is "froggies". WW2 slang for Germans is "jerries", because their helmets were said to resemble chamber pots. I think the US equivalent is "krauts" because of their liking for pickled cabbage. Greg, if you say you've seen a show where French people are called dagoes, I believe you - but it's incorrect. The George Orwell essay on 'Boys' Weeklies' is very good on the uninformed Eng. view of foreigners (almost all categorised as "sinister, treacherous"; occasionally as "sinister, treacherous, wears pigtail" or "sinister, treacherous, carries knife"). Apparently when they showed Fawlty Towers in Spain, the comic Sp. waiter became a comic _Italian_ waiter in the dubbed version... - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:05:32 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The alternative lives of Hendrix From Ross: >>I love fantasies about what performers who died >>would have done -- once wrote a bad story >>called "Still Raining, Still Dreaming" about >>two guys throwing yarrow sticks & tossing coins >>to use I Ching to work out lots of different >>alternate lives for Hendrix (in most of them >>he dies early). He dies young in all realities. However, subsequently in 1983, a merman he is turned to be, and presumably still exists in that form. >>Too bad the (well recorded) boot of BS w/ David >>Crosby filling in for Neil Young at Monterey Pop >>is so unexciting. The Springfield reunion tape from the '80's is pretty uninspiring, too. They kind of only worked with those specific guys at that specific time. Stills, man... not a good thing. Only my Neil completism streak keeps me from grinding my Stills-Young Band disc into dust. Rex Anyone calling a frenchman a 'dago' is a really bad racist. I don't mean he's a horrible person, I just mean he's not very good at racism. - - --Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:49:28 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Neil Finn (25% Who content, 25% Smiths content) I saw Neil Finn last night down here at a San Diego club called '4th and B.' It was the first night of Finn's US/Canada tour, and Johnny Marr was summoned up on stage by Neil with the phrase "Johnny Marr... Johnny Marr... he's here" to join the band for the last five songs of the set, and for a couple of songs during the encore. Among the numbers they played with Marr were two Smiths songs, "There is a Light That Never Goes Out" and "How Soon Is Now?" Neil managed to make "How Soon Is Now?" much more tuneful. That guy turns EVERYTHING pretty. A pretty amazing show overall - they played lots of Split Enz and Crowded House material, a good selection of Neil's solo stuff, and a few choice covers. And Marr sang a new song I didn't recognize, probably something from his band the Healers whom I haven't heard yet. Neil was in a very jovial mood, joking around with the audience, which was how I remembered him from all those Crowded Houses shows I've seen. He asked the audience what we wanted to hear, and when someone yelled "Play YOUR favorite, Neil," he attempted part of "Pinball Wizard" solo on acoustic guitar, and afterwards mentioned that the whole band had seen The Who the night before up at the Hollywood Bowl. He then went on to praise Pino Palladino, and said that the show felt "really right." - --Jason "no, I don't believe in your god, but I don't believe in anyone else's either, so don't take it personally" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:18:14 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Bad racist! Bad! Bad! Jason says: >>Anyone calling a frenchman a 'dago' is a really bad racist. I don't mean >>he's a horrible person, I just mean he's not very good at racism. That's funny. But oddly it also points to the whole issue of hate-crime legislation, which is a weird area (does the motivation for a crime make it more criminal, etc.)... things get really weird when the hatred is misdirected. A lot of Sikhs (non-Muslims) and various people of Indian descent got targeted for hate crimes after 9/11... and I guarantee you a lot of straight people get gay-bashed, especially in American high schools. But, yeah, in America, I think the term "dago" is specifically reserved for those of presumed Italian descent. - -Rex "Honky Cracker White Trash" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:13:42 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: what is worst and what is best? gSs wrote... >on another note, has anyone seen 'sling blade'? one the finest movies i've >seen in a long time. it can be tough on a fella, watch it with a good >friend or your mother. How much you want fur them frenched fried patators? Don't you say another word to me. I ain't a listen' to you no more. Carl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 13:27:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: stumbling derogatorily On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Michael R Godwin wrote: > I agree that 'dago' (or even 'greasy dago') is derogatory for Spanish in > particular, but also Italian and Med generally. But the usual term for > Italians is the unimaginitive "Eye-tyes" (short for Eye-talians). > Definitely wrong for the French though: the derogatory term is "froggies". Perhaps "dago" was at one time (19th century?) applied more widely, to all Latin/Mediterranean peoples, and later narrowed to no longer include the French. That's the vague impression I've picked up from my reading. Same thing with "wogs," except I think 19th Century Englishmen used that term even more broadly, for just about anyone who wasn't actually black but was at least slightly swarthier than a purebred Saxon. What was the old saying, "Wogs start at the Channel" or something like that? > Apparently when they showed Fawlty Towers in Spain, the comic Sp. waiter > became a comic _Italian_ waiter in the dubbed version... I wonder how they handled the episode where Manuel's pet "khammster" turns out to be a rat, where Basil asks him "Don't you have rats in Spain? Or did Franco have them all shot?" Manuel wasn't old enough for them to substitute Mussolini. - --Chris (who wishes he could remember his studies as well as he does cult TV shows) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:31:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: The Circulation of a Feg >If something can't happen according to the instruments you use, it can't be percieved as evidence. But it is evidence that can be used towards eventually explaining a phenomena. If you have a theory that "ghostly apparitions" are composed of Chemical X, and your chemical X meter flatlines in the presence of an apparition, some of your next steps based on this result are to a) come up with a new theory and test it, b) consider the possibility that your theory is correct but what you saw wasn't a ghostly apparition, and c) check the warranty on your chemX meter. If b) turns out to be an actual ghostly apparition and c) checks out, you might feel fairly confident (after numerous reps) in saying that such apparitions are not composed of ChemX. > No one has ever invented an instrument that verifies and quantifies > love(except perhaps for Solomon,but thats a legend;-). One of the delusions > of our age is that we use science to define reality. Of course the answer to > this delusion is not to switch to its idiot twin, -not- using science, but > to have the discernment to balance both sorts of understanding, knowing when > each sort is most fruitful. Kay, I'm not sure why you see the use of science to define reality as a delusion. To me it seems more delusional to rely on imagination to do the defining (I'm not denying the role of imagination as a tool of science--uncreative scientists are basically lab techs). I guess the closest thing to a spiritual bone in my body is the faith that scientific methods will eventually be able to explain (or debunk) the paranormal--at the same time I'm sceptical of this belief, given the elusive, sudden, ephemeral nature of paranormal events. Re: Love measuring--I see a lot of dificulties there. Think of the many different kinds of love: male love, female love, motherly love, the love someone feels towards a pet, the love one feels towards a mate at age 20 and the one at age 60...you'd probably need a device for each kind. Jon "'tis just a piece of old potato."--Ebenezer Scrooge "Camcorders? We don't need no stinkin' camcorders!"--Fox Mulder ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: whisker to a spleen > From: "Natalie Jane" > [Pansy Division] > I guess they're a band that's best enjoyed live. That's probably true. I've actually never seen them live, and the only record I have (but which I HIGHLY recommend) is "Pile-Up," which is the one with the terrific Liz Phair cover as well as a Prince cover ("Jack U Off," of course), a Joe Jackson cover ("Real Men"), and many more. There are also a number of GAY GAY GAY songs, including "Homo Christmas," "Smells Like Queer Spirit," and the now-trite "Bill and Ted's Homosexual Adventure". But to me those are not especially one-note (except maybe melodically). I think that perception might be enhanced by the fact that sometimes the lyrics are great, and sometimes groaners. > >But why not > >criticize the Rolling Stones or Barry White for > >singing about being straight all the time? > > That's kind of boring, too. Or it can be. Depends on > how you do it. True enough. > Since I don't like Dylan, why would I want to hear > someone else singing > Dylan? Well, as you implied, Dylan doesn't always sound exactly like Dylan when sung by other people. And one of the most onerous things about listening to Dylan is his voice (though actually I'm getting used to it), so it can only get better if someone else is providing the pipes. > But a whole double album of Robyn doing his > earnest Dylan > impersonation - no thanks. Yeah -- so you're right, Robyn's Dylan is reverent and not reinventive. It's probably worth just finding a way to listen to one or both of the "Visions of Johanna" then, just for the hell of it. Robyn's "Ballad of a Thin Man" is pretty cool too. > Another funny one was a > review of a recent Momus record that suggested that he > was Britain's revenge > on us for sending them They Might Be Giants. Cute but dumb. I'm now trying to imagine Momus putting out a children's record, though. I think it would actually be pretty damn good. > p.s. Isn't there some variant on Godwin's Law pertaining > to discussions > about the existence of God? If not, there should be. And the death penalty. But the existence-of-god one arises directly out of merits-of-atheism and that comes from the pledge debates, so I've now had this same conversation on two different lists in the past week or so. > From: gSs > > this kinda crap used to scare the shit out of me but now > i would not call > it a neccesary evil, more like a step forward towards > stability. It's only a small step ahead from driver's licenses, isn't it? How could it possibly help anything? > From: "matt sewell" > Subject: Re: what is worst and what is best? Matt, gss posted that entire article to the list, and that was bad enough, but you quoted the whole thing AGAIN in your reply. Please remember those of us who read the digest and try to trim the text you don't actually need to quote. Drew ===== - -- Andrew D. Simchik, adsimchik@yahoo.com Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:44:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Names (0% RH) So I need some help... fun help really. I got 2 baby red-eared sliders (turtles) and I need to come up with some names for them. One boy & one girl. I was looking to Tolkien for names, but am open to any uggestions to get the head working :0) Herbie np -> "Substitute" Who ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:44:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: Re: Fwd: Matador News Update for July 2nd - --- guapo stick wrote: > >The Soft Boys - Nextdoorland - first new album in eons > coming in > >September Can I just say: great news, lousy album title. Drew ===== - -- Andrew D. Simchik, adsimchik@yahoo.com Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:47:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Fwd: Matador News Update for July 2nd Nextdoorland? is that like REM's Ignoreland? curious..... Herbie np -> "It's Oh So Quiet" Bjork - --- "Andrew D. Simchik" wrote: > --- guapo stick wrote: > > >The Soft Boys - Nextdoorland - first new album in > eons > > coming in > > >September > > Can I just say: great news, lousy album title. > > Drew > > ===== > -- > Andrew D. Simchik, adsimchik@yahoo.com > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 13:48:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: The Circulation of a Feg On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Jonathan Fetter wrote: > Re: Love measuring--I see a lot of dificulties there. Think of the > many different kinds of love: male love, female love, motherly love, > the love someone feels towards a pet, the love one feels towards a > mate at age 20 and the one at age 60...you'd probably need a device > for each kind. The other night (just after I FINALLY got my cable TV hooked up) I caught the tail end of a program about a researcher trying to do just this, understand love scientificly. From the few minutes I saw, it looked like they found some couples who were deliriously in love, then CAT-scanned their brains while showing them pictures of various people including their lovers. The areas of the brain that were stimulated only when the subject saw his/her lover's picture were identified as the brain's "love centers." (They proved to be four relatively small areas, IIRC.) One researcher, or perhaps just a commentator, went on to speculate about building meters that could measure one's degree of love by checking the degree of stimulation in these love centers. It was interesting and more than a little disturbing. Anyone else see it? - --Chris "I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it." --Spike "Wild monkey love or tender Sarah McLachlan love?" --Xander ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:48:42 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: RE: what is worst and what is best? On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Bachman, Michael wrote: > Don't you say another word to me. I ain't a listen' to you no more. wasn't that the last line in the movie? what a fucking movie. it should be on everyone's must see list. the film was about making the ultimate sacrifice to help someone, by someone who had rarely if ever been helped by anyone. a messianic type theme I guess was the point. try biscuits and mustard. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:03:35 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: whisker to a spleen On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > It's only a small step ahead from driver's licenses, > isn't it? How could it possibly help anything? one card that can positively identify you through fingerprint, retina, facial or better yet dna. we may move beyond that with finger prints or retina scans but the database which would hold the data would be huge. maybe a card is better and or an implanted id to crossmatch the card and your retina scan. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 14:07:27 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: this is not a subject line The overblown supershit-- Just regarding Rex's subject line, I've been pretty much enjoying Handcreme for a Generation the new Cornershop CD. I liked Born for the 7th Time too. They are almost a Big Audio Dynamite replacement for me, tho I actually prefered the "disco" numbers by B.A.D., at least their first 3 albums. On the other hand I like the "techno" by Cornershop. I may try one of their earlier albums. I don't listen to the radio much, so for all I know "Rocky I to Rocky III" may be overplayed. - --- Some More of God's Greatest Mistakes-- I find the way the religion thing is going here appealing in a number of ways. Not much talk about "the problem of pain" -- that's never been a big one for me (but maybe that's because I don't live in a war zone etc. have been fairly pain free). I feel a lot of what C. S. Lewis & others say about pain & apparent injustice in connection w/ faith is what I appreciate most about religion, "the consolation of philosophy." Also not too much concern about religious hypocracy or religion being used for bad things, religious wars etc. When Kay stubbs her toe agains spirit, I stubb mine against -- nothing. And it hurts. I'm scared shitless of personal extinction, & I would change my behaviour in all manner of ways if I thought it would get me some kind of continued existence, even as part of a larger whole, w/ out the trappings of my ego. It really galls me when --usually older, more conventional-- religious people imply you don't believe in god because a) you're lazy, don't want to do right or follow ritual, b) you're chicken, afraid of the price of sin c) you're egotistical, have no sense of perspective about the universe. When, in the 70s, I hung out in a mystical bookstore w/ folks who ate only raw fruits & vegetables, took lots of enemas, lots of LSD, chanted to Shiva & others, made charts of their past lives (these were very intelligent people, knew lots about history & literature, even science), they took the line that my ego was the problem. I think they meant this in a more refined psychological way, that this is the practical nature of an ego, to give structure to a manageable body of perceptions & ideas. Well, that's a gross simplification, but the bottom line is a) I didn't feel it; b) it fitted too neatly into a huge need. When a mysterious, vague abstraction is offered to answer a desparate, immediate need, I suspect it's human inventiveness at work. I prefer facing down my worst-case fears. Then, if there's a heaven, it's all gravy. [I assume any truly just god would recognize that w/ so many contradictory faiths about, you can't be penalized for picking the wrong one. Otherwise, I'd slavishly worship whatever obscure religion had the worst hell, to make sure I didn't go there.] Ross Taylor stand well back from fireworks after lighting Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:16:14 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Names (0% RH) On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Mike Swedene wrote: > So I need some help... fun help really. I got 2 baby > red-eared sliders (turtles) and I need to come up with > some names for them. One boy & one girl. I was > looking to Tolkien for names, but am open to any > uggestions to get the head working :0) that is funny you should say that. i saw the biggest damn red-ear I have ever seen yesterday just as he was falling off the curb onto forest road between US75 and hillcrest in dallas. by the time i swung the truck around and got it parked he had moved about 2 feet into right hand lane. i barely got to him and was almost hit by mad lunch goers. i do wish people would fucking slow down. i slid him down a gulley into a creek nearby. raven kashmir annalese blue gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:26:07 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: 'Nother side of Dylan Natalie: >>Since I don't like Dylan, why would I want to hear someone else singing >>Dylan? Once upon a time it seems like that's all anyone wanted to hear. Compare the amount of massive hit tunes *written* by Dylan to the relatively scant list of hits performed by him. From Peter Paul & Mary, the Byrds, Manfredd Mann and Hendrix up through Guns 'n' Roses and Garth Brooks... My dad, who was a folkie in the clean-cut Kingston Trio/Limeliters mold, kind of raised me to think of Dylan as a great writer for other artists who was basically unlistenable in his own right. Of course I came to feel otherwise, but I think that used to be a fairly common perception. Maybe still is. I recently saw Cat Power do a live cover of "Knockin' On Heaven's Door" and the audience supplied Axl Rose-style "hayyyy, hayyy, hay hay hay"'s on the choruses as if they thought it was a GNR original. (This was the audience at the Sonic Youth-curated All Tomorrow's Parties, mind you!) 'Course that ain't gonna make you like Dylan, or Robyn's version thereof, which is cool. I'd have to draw the line somewhere, too. I don't like Fleetwood Mac but I did buy the CVB "Tusk"; however, if Robyn redid, say, "Brain Salad Surgery" or "Aqualung" even I would give it a miss. Probably. - -Rex, with aplogies to the resident progsters ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #219 ********************************