From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #217 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 2 2002 Volume 11 : Number 217 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: we're so heavy ["Poole, R. Edward" ] rock opera & the inexplicable (natural mates) ["Poole, R. Edward" ] manifestations ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Rock Hall of Fame: The Overgrown Supershit ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: felt she had a hook in her head ["Poole, R. Edward" ] uncanny & heavy [Ken Ostrander ] Re: uncanny & heavy [overbury@cn.ca] drew who review ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: I heard a Robyn rumour [guapo stick ] Cinerama, new one [Eleanore Adams ] Re: Athiesm (no Robyn content, no, none [Eleanore Adams ] cinerama again [Eleanore Adams ] Not fade away [glen uber ] Two Towers Trailer [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:36:40 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: we're so heavy >> From: "FS Thomas" >> You decided >> in committing a >> double homicide that the value of your victim's lives >> wasn't worth >> considering, ergo why should yours be? Drew: >we generally figure that every human's life is >of equal value for purposes of law, ... Criminal law only (but in practice, not necessarily, as I mentioned before). In civil law, a dead rich man is worth a hell of a lot more than a dead poor man -- and, perversely, a dead child is worth just about zip, as you can't prove what they would have been worth as wage earners if they had survived. (I'm ignoring, of course, damages for pain & suffering or emotional distress, that relate to the harm to the survivors, not the value of the deceased's life). - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:43:51 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: rock opera & the inexplicable (natural mates) >Ross0 >>I probably play Tommy least of the Who in my collection, >>though it's not because I don't like to hear it. >Its just been so overplayed its hard to hear fresh. Still adore the Overture >and the Underture thou, as they tend to get underlooked. well, the bit singles-type hits may suffer from overexposure, but not the whole thing. I can't (that's too strong; I don't want to is more like it) listen to 'Tommy' for the same reason I don't listen to 'The Wall' anymore - -- the story is very thin, could be told in 2-3 pages if it were a short story, and the narrative overwhelms the music so frequently that it's grating to listen to once you've heard the story a couple of times. (see also: zappa, 'thing fish' -- but NOT 'joe's garage') >Poole: >>I'm confident you could describe >>the forces at work on your clock that caused its behavior. >Probobly. But Id like to point out that what we seemed to have produced was >some kind of time-jumping physical manifestation of a psychological state. but that is the same kind of context-dependent conclusion I was talking about before: if the clock movement had occurred the day before or the day after, it would have been unusual, but it takes on added significance because of when it occurred & what else was happening at the time. But the only evidence you have of one causing the other is the same thing that made it a charged/significant event for you in the first place, namely, the coincidence of the broken clock suddenly moving when it did. I should stop talking about this, because even if I don't look at the world in quite the same way as you, I have every respect for your views & more importantly, I hardly want to sound like I'm belittling your experience, which is (no matter what the physical/supernatural explanation) meaningful if for no other reason than it was real and important to you. >Nevertheless, your hypothosis is no more provable than the hypothosis that >it was a polergeist. well, except to the extent that there's never been a measurement or 'objective' verification of super- or extra-natural forces at work. my confidence that a physical explanation is available (or would be, if we knew all the facts, which we won't) isn't just skepticism of your experience, but a position borne out of the lack of any evidence that another explanation is plausible. >I do agree that the supernatural is probobly just nature from a different >viewpoint. But until we reach that other viewpoint, what are we to do with >such phenonomena? Our culture seems to have two modes. Either refuse to >admit such phenomana can occur, which is irrational, or be a credoulous >crackpot, which is also irrational. I think both attitudes are shortsighted >and do us no good. I can't argue with that. I dunno, sometimes you just have to live with what your senses (or observations, or calculations, or whatever input you value/trust) tell you and either leave it at that or be patient about the 'whys.' my physicist friends tell me that there exist particles that can travel faster than light, which they weren't supposed to do as recently as a few years ago (or more, I dunno, not that long), and the explanation given for this sub-atomic speed limit violation? well, they have no mass (and have a lot of energy). have no mass? huh? but that's what data shows, so you work backwards from there to see if your big picture can accommodate the details - -- and, if not, time to work on a new big picture. ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:55:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: the 80s shelf I'm listening to some of the Billboard 80s hits and I'm confirming a feeling I always had that the fun, quirky new wave ended abruptly sometime in 1985 and ushered in a much darker and crappier time for top 40 radio. Before that point the songs are cheesy as hell but utterly delightful. Afterwards it's shit like Robbie Nevil and Starship. Ugh. > From: "No Name" > Drew: > >I'm particularly interested in how you knew you were > dealing with the Christ, and truly; I'd be worried that > I saw Jesus merely because I grew up surrounded by > Christians and understood spiritual reality through > their filters. > > Well, its quite possible its Jesus Christ cause of > cultural filters. I don't > have a problem with that. To me that would be a pretty crucial (no pun intended) question, depending on how orthodox I planned to be. I can well imagine a spiritual experience that might make me believe that an anthropomorphic deity is out there, but it's harder for me to imagine being sure that Christian doctrine is correct as a result of Making Contact. > As for the full particulars of conversion, like Wells the > Wise I am a tad > cautious because its not easily expressible. Like I said, that's frustrating, but you would know best. > Its like > asking for a public > recounting of loosing your virginity. In what way is it like that? I could pretty easily make a public recounting of losing my virginity if I were inclined to do so. The details and even the emotions involved are private, but they are far from inexpressible. > From: "Natalie Jane" > > >"Meaty Beaty Big & Bouncy." > > Buy it anyway. Not before I listen to it -- but I'll let you know what I think. > I saw Pansy Division once. The bassist wore a gold > sequinned dress. I > enjoyed them, but at one point a friend of mine said, > "Gee, do you think > they're gonna play a song about being gay next?" To my mind, that's the least complaint you could bring against them. The songs all sound alike, Jon Ginoli's voice is so-so, the sound is not what I'd call ass-kicking (or even -fucking) punk, the lyrics are often groan-inducing, and so on. But why not criticize the Rolling Stones or Barry White for singing about being straight all the time? The best thing about Pansy Division (apart from their too-fun covers) is that their songs are unambiguous; there's no way you could mistake them for straight songs with switched pronouns. If that's what your friend meant I think s/he missed the point. > Keep in mind that I am posting this link because I cannot > imagine why anyone > would buy or listen to this record, and this review > simply confirms my > prejudice. I'm sure you can imagine why. I do think that the covers aren't all good, and there's no way Robyn can sing them and sound exactly like Dylan (American, young and angry, the writer of the songs), but that makes it more interesting to me. There's a wonder and reverence in Robyn's covers of "Visions of Johanna" that make me hear what he hears in the song, while the original on _Blonde on Blonde_ just makes me think it's a good, dignified, rich song. Robyn may not be the world's greatest Dylan interpreter, but he's a huge fan and the love he feels for the songs pours out when he performs them. If you're a Dylan worshipper and all you can hear is how Robyn falls short, then sure, you'll be dissatisfied, but since you don't like Dylan, you wouldn't have that problem. The review's pretty funny, though. The Blake Babies song I really loved was "Temptation Eyes," which I understand is a cover. Oh well. Drew ===== - -- Andrew D. Simchik, adsimchik@yahoo.com Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:06:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: manifestations I've seen neither Moulin Rouge nor Hedwig, and have doubts that I'll enjoy either, but they're on my Netflix list. We'll see how it goes. > From: "No Name" > Probobly. But Id like to point out that what we seemed to > have produced was > some kind of time-jumping physical manifestation of a > psychological state. Well, here's the thing: the only part of this that's truly difficult to explain is why a clock that doesn't work suddenly chimed. The rest could easily be coincidence -- interesting, cool, exciting coincidence, but coincidence nonetheless. Drew ===== - -- Andrew D. Simchik, adsimchik@yahoo.com Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:14:22 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Rock Hall of Fame: The Overgrown Supershit To paraphrase Groucho Marx, I wouldn't wanna be part of any club that wouldn't have Patti Smith or the Stooges as members at the first possible opportunity. Except that, you know, literally, I wouldn't wanna be in a "club" with the Stooges either-- might be a little dangerous-- but you get the idea. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:43:06 -0400 From: " FS Thomas" Subject: Re: stumbling, forward - ----- Original Message ----- From: "gSs" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: Re: stumbling, forward > On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, FS Thomas wrote: > > The use of a weapon in committing a crime doesn't preclude you causing > > injury with that weapon. Guns, by design, are more dangerous than, say a > > knife (though in properly trained hands this can prove a less effective > > argument). Using a flintlock rifle in a robbery is different than using a > > Mac-10, don't you think? The /potential/ for harm is higher, isn't it? We're all granted under the Constitution the right to keep and bear arms--not haul off and commit crimes with them. In light of the reality that unless completely repealed, the right for every nut case in the country to own a gun is going to remain secured. The answer to gun-related crimes: make the penalties harsh as hell. As someone who worked in bars for a dozen years in capacities from bouncer to manager the one thing that always scared the CRAP out of me was that someone would get in a fight and pull a gun. Knives, chairs and bottles I can handle. Yes, they can be deadly, but not with the immediacy (or implied immediacy) of a gun. They wig me out in general and perhaps harsher penalties for committing crimes by their use would lower their use. > So you think we should punish people for what they could have done, > even though they didn't? Holy Minority Report, Batman! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:46:17 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: felt she had a hook in her head gnat: >I saw Pansy Division once. The bassist wore a gold sequinned dress. I >enjoyed them, but at one point a friend of mine said, "Gee, do you think >they're gonna play a song about being gay next?" heh. 'tis funny cus 'tis so true. how about this: when I saw pansy division, they were playing on the same bill w/ fugazi for some politically-oriented benefit (i forget the details; i recall it having been a left leaning cause, if you can imagine that). now, as much as i love fugazi -- and not just b/c it is a residency requirement around these parts, my impression this evening was that taken together, the double-barelled one-note messages ("capitalism sux!" "homophobia sux!") barely formed a chord, of sorts. the middle band? pre-'tub thumping' chumbawumba ("socialism rocks!"). - -ed 'now that my big project is done i'm happy to spend 80% of the work day responding to every post in the last two weeks i saved to my "down time" folder' poole ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:26:09 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: uncanny & heavy deja vu is something that i have experience many times in my life with varying degrees of significance. very seldom do i retain any content of my dreams upon waking, what with my perpetual tardiness; but every month or so i have an experience that snaps me back to a dream that i've had. usually it's just a snapshot or a snippit of conversation; but it raises issues of free will and destiny. reincarnation is a concept that resonates for me as well. i once dreamt that i was a roman sex slave. the mistress of the house liked me well enough but the master of the house did not approve and had me killed. the idea of animals evolving toward nirvana by becoming human is intriguing; and might explain why there are so many human souls around now. somehow i think that the concept of an "old soul" is charming; but doesn't it mean that you're a kharmic fuckup? listening to your inner voice may be the key to spirituality. sometimes it's hard to differentiate between your own voice and that higher voice, call it conscience, empathy, awareness, what have you. i reject the notion that we need an intersessor to god or the great spirit or the force or elvis. we may be in denial or unwilling to accept certain 'nuances' as some kind of transubstantial signal. i was brought up as one of those one-god-apostolic-tongue-talkin-holy-rollin-heaven-bound-believer-in-the-liberatin-power-of-jesus-name pentecostals. as a teenager, i found that the superficial bullshit standards of dress and behavior were arbitrary and didn't speak to real virtue. i started living a double-life where i would go out to underage dance clubs and movies (really quite harmless) and pretend that i was studying or playing trivial pursuit or something. things came to a crossroads for me when fire & brimstone bible thumpin led me to look to a sign from god. i wanted a voice that i could understand like saul of tarsus got. i didn't get it. i know that "only an evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign"; but, for christ sake, do i have to kill christians to get a clear sign from god? do i really need one? yes, faith and doubt are two sides of the same coin. but then again, what do we really know about string theory and black holes and el nino? why should poltergeists and extra sensory perception be any different? ken "god is a concept by which we measure our pain" the kenster np one all neil finn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 09:56:42 -0500 From: overbury@cn.ca Subject: Re: uncanny & heavy On 2 Jul 02, at 18:26, Ken Ostrander wrote: > deja vu is something that i have experience many times in my life > [snip]; but it raises issues of free will and destiny. I don't see why it should. You see something in waking life that reminds you of something you saw in a dream. If you had seen it in a book, would you afford that book mystical properties? What about all the dreams you don't remember, and all the things in your life that aren't reflected in dreams, and all the dreams you remember that have no connection with your waking life? > reincarnation is a concept that resonates for me as well. i once > dreamt that i was a roman sex slave. the mistress of the house > liked me well enough but the master of the house did not approve > and had me killed. the idea of animals evolving toward nirvana by > becoming human is intriguing; and might explain why there are so > many human souls around now. Again, why that explanation? There are a billion more. Could it be that you like that one, or is it because it is consistent with observable and repeatable phenomena? > somehow i think that the concept of an "old soul" is charming; but > doesn't it mean that you're a kharmic fuckup? It might be a good example of how Occam's razor works. Reincarnation creates mores problems than solutions. "No kind of wishes Can make things come true" - -- Mr. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:11:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: drew who review OK, just finished listening to the Meaty Bouncy thing. Here are the songs I liked: the kids are alright i can see for miles pinball wizard i'm a boy The rest were at best uninvolving to me, and at worst really very annoying. In several cases, I liked the lyrics and/or sentiment better than the actual music (though not in the case of "Pinball Wizard"), and if I listened to it a lot I probably would notice the guitar parts a lot more than the vocals and melody (my usual first point of entry). Part of the problem might be that the recording I was listening to was pretty low-quality, possibly taken from vinyl or cassette. While listening to "I Can See for Miles" (which is cool in a lot of ways the other songs weren't, e.g., the chorus variation) in particular, I could imagine it onstage with the amps up at 11 as a very different experience. But in general there was something about the melodies and the vocal style that really turned me off. I know there are a lot of famous Who tunes that aren't on this compilation; maybe soon I'll check out the other albums that are, um, available to me. It's safe to say I won't be buying a copy of this one. Drew ===== - -- Andrew D. Simchik, adsimchik@yahoo.com Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:19:34 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: Re: I heard a Robyn rumour when we last left our heroes, matt sewell exclaimed: >I hear (thanks to another list) that Robyn is supporting Lloyd Cole on >20th of July at the Astoria... as matt pointed out to me earlier this morning, this gig has been confirmed by robynhitchcock.com. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:42:10 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Cinerama, new one Well, I picked up the new Cinerama today "Torino", being a huge Wedding Present fan. I loved the WP because of Gedges great unique vocals and lyrics and sweeping guitars. I was disappointed with VaVaVoom bcs there was not enough guitar. But this new one has plenty of guitar for my taste, and the lyrics and song are what I want. I am a sucker for songs that tell stories about people. (I still have to pick up the 2 new Waits works, when I have the cash) So that is a thumbs up by me. eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:50:40 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: Athiesm (no Robyn content, no, none This was always my take on atheism. i don't believe in ghosts or heaven and hell, or that there are saints and sinners and original sin. And Houdini said that if there was an afterlife he would come back and tell us on Halloween in Detroit, and he never has ...yet. So there is no after life - I believe Houdini! eleanore > My understanding of atheism is that you don't believe in the > supernatural. I don't think it's any more foolish than believing in the > supernatural. I assume the intent of the words "philosphically > untenable" in reference to atheism (and thus theism) is that there is > no way to disprove either belief. I helped my wife with a philosophy > class recently, and I liked what Hume had to say (paraphrased) about > truth: a belief is true if sense experience corroborates it, false if > sense > experience contradicts it, and meaningless if sense experience can do > neither. To me, belief in god, gods, UFO's, ghosts, angels, astrology, > ye grate olde ones, Bush's brain--is meaningless. So I go with the > label of an agnostic materialist and live by Occam's Razor--I can't > know about certain things, I think certain theories may be true, but > what I'm going to believe is true will generally be the simplest > explanation. > Maybe someday God and all "his" angels will appear on the news and > tell the world that they exist, created the world, made Celine Dion out > of plastic, etc.--but till then, I'm not buying any of it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:33:46 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Buddy and the Hall of Fame >But thanks for the once over on Hollys direction. Thinking of him going back >into country(with some Ray Charles on the side) is alot better than thinking >of him in a fat jumpsuit in Vegas. agreed. I always picture that he would have continued his career roughly along the lines of Roy Orbison's. He might even have ended up as a Wilbury :p >The Police, the Clash, Elvis Costello, Iggy Pop, and Cheap Trick head the >2003 class of newly eligible, first-time artists for the Rock and Roll >Hall of Fame. > >In all, there are 44 artists eligible for the first time. To become newly >eligible, an artist had to have first recorded 25 years ago (1978). > >Others eligible for the first time are Beausoleil, Black Uhuru, Karla >Bonoff, the Boomtown Rats, Buzzcocks, Cameo, Marshall Chapman, Clifton >Chenier, Chic, Elvis Costello and the Attractions, Dead Boys, Dixie Dregs, >Ian Dury, Joe Ely, Foreigner, Generation X (with Billy Idol), the Germs, >Robert Gordon, the Heartbreakers (with Johnny Thunders), Nona Hendryx, the >Jam, Evelyn "Champaigne" King, Patti LaBelle, Kenny Loggins, Mink Deville, >Eddie Money, the Motors, Motorhead, Teddy Pendergrass, the Romantics, the >Rumour, Shalamar, the Soft Boys, Squeeze, the Stranglers, Stuff, Suicide, >Wire, and XTC. on balance, 1978 was a pretty good year. Rats, Buzzcocks, Police, Clash, Iggy, Dury, Nona, the Jam, the SBs, Stranglers, Suicide, Wire, and XTC. Not a bad vintage at all >Loggins was part of Loggins & Messina, who have never been nominated. Messina, of course, started out with (The) Buffalo Springfield. As the Police would say, synchronicity! James PS - I'd post a couple of things on the 'possibly-supernatural-occurrences' topic, but I'm afraid I don't have much time on the computer at the moment (I'm still housesitting, and away from my computer most of the day) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:47:14 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Buddy and the Hall of Fame >> But thanks for the once over on Hollys direction. Thinking of him >> going back >> into country(with some Ray Charles on the side) is alot better than >> thinking >> of him in a fat jumpsuit in Vegas. On Tuesday, July 2, 2002, at 09:33 PM, James Dignan wrote: > agreed. I always picture that he would have continued his career roughly > along the lines of Roy Orbison's. He might even have ended up as a > Wilbury > :p Buddy had more talent in the tip of his little finger than Elvis did in his whole body, even after a month long donut binge. I see something more like Brian Wilson at the Pet Sounds/Smile level, but without the breakdown. - - Steve __________ As for "encouraging people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil," there's only one prominent person trying to intimidate legitimate critics into shutting up about actions they feel to be both wrong and deeply un-American at present. He is, unfortunately, the attorney general of the United States. - Jacob Weisberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:21:13 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: cinerama again Ok, I have to give this one a 2 thumbs up. I don't have the time or fortitude to give a song by song review, but if you love the lyrics and guitar of such songs as "Suck" and "sports car" and "what have i said now?" it will be worth your $15. eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:37:09 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: Not fade away steve earnestly scribbled: >Buddy had more talent in the tip of his little finger than Elvis did in >his whole body, even after a month long donut binge. Agreed. If any white person deserves the title "King of Rock and Roll" it is Buddy. And why do the English recognize this, but not us silly Americans? >I see something more like Brian Wilson at the Pet Sounds/Smile level, >but without the breakdown. I always thought he would have had a pretty successful career as a country singer and then gone into producing or running a record company, a la Tommy Allsup or Jimmy Bowen. My wife is a huge Buddy Holly fan and insists that he would have continued his collaboration with Waylon Jennings. She thinks he would have been a part of that country outlaw movement with Waylon, Willie Nelson, Tompall Glaser and Jessi Coulter. She also agrees with me on the producer thing. For the record, she hates the Buddy Holly Story and thinks that Gary Busey should be strung up by his no-talent testes for taking a dump on the legend of Buddy. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Awww, a child is missing. Well excuse me, Bin Laden is missing too." - --Bill Maher, commenting on the media's obsession with the missing Utah girl, Elizabeth Smart glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:50:17 -0500 From: steve Subject: Two Towers Trailer http://www.apple.com/trailers/newline/the_two_towers/ - - Steve __________ "Miyazaki's latest animation feature (co-winner with 'Bloody Sunday' of the Berlin Golden Bear) more than justifies his status as Japan's most revered culture hero. What starts out as a fine example of the through-the-looking- glass kids' adventure genre becomes almost Shakespearean in its lyricism, breadth of vision and humanity." - Tony Rayns, Sight & Sound ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #217 ********************************