From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #214 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, July 2 2002 Volume 11 : Number 214 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: stumbling, forward ["FS Thomas" ] Re: stumbling, forward [Ken Weingold ] "The man who brings me my towel and water, Mr. Charlie Hodge!" [glen uber] Re: screaming people fly so fast [glen uber ] The beach ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: stumbling, forward [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Old fart at play ["Rex.Broome" ] unifying principles [Ken Ostrander ] Re: no time to think of clever subject line [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: cleaning with pledge [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: is this an interesting subject line? [rosso@videotron.ca] Footnote [rosso@videotron.ca] we're so heavy ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] soft boys gig [guapo stick ] Late-breaking news re: The Buzzard feeds on the Ox at midnight ["Rex.Bro] Catching Up ["Michael Wells" ] Re: Bass... [Randallriebe@aol.com] Re: Bass... [Randallriebe@aol.com] Apple acquires eMagic [Tom Clark ] Re: Apple acquires eMagic [Ken Weingold ] Re: Young, Who, Stones [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: legalised murder [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Apple acquires eMagic ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: Footnote ["Fric Chaud" ] RE: Camper Van Fleetwood ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: interesting [Michael R Godwin ] Ask not for whom ... ["No Name" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:01:00 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Re: stumbling, forward - ----- Original Message ----- From: "gSs" > here is another example: i shoot you with a > compound bow and you die. it was a premeditated crime. should the penalty > be any different since I didn't use a firearm? The use of a weapon in committing a crime doesn't preclude you causing injury with that weapon. Guns, by design, are more dangerous than, say a knife (though in properly trained hands this can prove a less effective argument). Using a flintlock rifle in a robbery is different than using a Mac-10, don't you think? The /potential/ for harm is higher, isn't it? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:04:29 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: stumbling, forward On Mon, Jul 1, 2002, gSs wrote: > what if you choke a person to death with your penis, on purpose? Oh shit, is that illegal? Oh oh, on PURPOSE. Okay.... - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:07:59 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: "The man who brings me my towel and water, Mr. Charlie Hodge!" Jeff earnestly scribbled: >the one about Presley being a racist? can't say i give a crap about his >records one way or another (would rather listen to little richard or >buddy holly any day), but all the evidence points towards elvis being >very much not racist, though col. tom was. No, but Elvis was a drug addict, pedophile and sexual deviant. While those things are not unusual amongst rock stars, it's amazing how the adherents of the Cult of Presley seem to overlook those aspects of his personality and instead focus on the fact that he was a good, church- goin' southern boy who loved his mama. My mom, one of the biggest Elvis fans around, dismisses all of Elvis' indescretions, with a "Well, he was under a lot of pressure, and the drugs he took were prescription drugs, and Priscilla's family gave consent, yadda, yadda, yadda..." attitude. I think the idea that Elvis was a racist stems from the fact that a alot of people feel he "stole" black music and repackaged it so that it would be palatable to the white crowds. He had little choice, really. Very few, if any, black artists got airplay those days regardless of the song. I like a lot of Elvis' pre-Army stuff, but can't really stomach much else of his. To me, he was a subpar singer who happened to be packaged just right at the right time. He was a product, nothing else. He got a few lucky breaks, a couple good songs and some juicy songwriter co-credits and made a lot of money for himself and even more for Col. Tom. If people were honest with themselves, I think you'd find that many of them feel the same way I do. It's the celebrity of Elvis more than any other aspect of the man's life or career that attracts most Elvisphiles. "A poor country boy makes good." It's the classic American success story. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Two things you see all the time in movies but rarely see in real life: cigarette smokers and Macintosh computers." - --Mike Jasper glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:10:24 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: Re: screaming people fly so fast Natalie earnestly scribbled: >Nah, I was thinking of a line in the same song about "Elvis didn't mean shit >to me" or something like that. I don't think Elvis was a racist. "Elvis was a hero to most but he didn't mean shit to me. Man, he was a straight up racist Yeah, motherfuck him and John Wayne." - -- Cheers! - -g- "The reason the mainstream is thought of as a stream is because it's so shallow." - -- George Carlin glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:27:14 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The beach Ross: >>I don't believe in god, don't like any sports, >>don't own a television and someday I'm going >>to do a big post about how I REALLY HATE THE BEACH. Me too! DiCaprio was horrible!!!! Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:43:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: stumbling, forward On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, FS Thomas wrote: > The point is that in any proceeding--be it civil or criminal, petty or > capital--there has to be a cut-off date otherwise the appellate courts will > never be able to keep up with the demand for new hearings. So in the name of efficiency, we kill innocent people (that is, people who might be able to produce evidence exonerating them)? > > Yes, but not only: in the US, African-Americans are likelier to be > > arrested, likelier to be convicted, likelier to be sentenced to longer > > sentences and be denied parole, and likelier to be sentenced to death - > > for the last, in specific comparison to whites convinced of murder. > > That's where I thought you were going with that. I haven't got an answer > for you. Are any one subset of society more prone to commit crimes than > another? Well, I haven't got reams of statistics here to back me up, at least not right at hand, but...on the one hand, there are certain correlations between demographic data (age, income level, gender) and crime: men in general are likelier to commit crimes, particularly violent crimes; likelier if they're under 25; likelier still if they're poor. Given the way race plays into these conditions, it may be that blacks are statistically likielier to commit crimes. However: I recall a statistic from some years ago, in which crime *victims* were asked about criminals (that is, this would not be weighted for who gets caught, convicted, etc.), and the results were that the percentage of black criminals was only marginaly higher than the black percentage of overall population, within a statistical margin of error if I recall. This suggests that any extreme overrepresentation of blacks in the criminal justice system (and there is such an overrepresentation) is not an artifact of black criminality, which, it seems, is no more prevalent than any other racial groups' criminality. > Who knows? If you have mirror-image crimes, one committed by a white and > another by a black and the African American gets the needle while the white > gets fifteen to life...then you might have a problem. I'm not sure why you say "might" - but indeed, this is the case. > > ...that the guy he's > > supposed to whack *knows* the rules, and knows if they're violated what > the > > penalty is... > > Anyone who pulls the trigger of a gun or stabs someone or drowns their kids > in the tub should know damn well what the penalty is. Yes - my point was only that we normally think of Mafia hitmen, rightly so, as criminals, even though in their view they're only doing their job under a set of rules everyone involved with them knows. > I agree with the cop being treated twice as harshly. Nice twist on the > problem of corruption. I would also be in favor of jacking gun penalties. > Knock over a liquor store with a bat--good for you; three years hard labor. > Knock over one and use a gun--even if you don't fire it; fifteen. The cop thing is an interesting notion in terms of fighting corruption and building trust of cops - don't know what I actually think of it, though. In most places, use of a gun *does* add time to a conviction (at least this was true in the attempted murder case I did jury duty on a year ago). - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Solipsism is its own reward:: __Crow T. Robot__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:15:36 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Old fart at play No Name says: >>"Nowadays Clancy Cant Even Sing"(thou not Young, I dont think)) Written by Young, sung by Furay. _____ I like "Satanic Majesties", too. *Maybe* for the kitsch factor, but that is so *unlike* me that I doubt it. "2000 Man" was put to excellent use in the film "Bottle Rocket"... which also contained a little Love, IIRC. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 17:14:58 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: unifying principles sonic youth & david bowie: enjoying both new albums, which is to say, my disappointment with recent releases has left me expecting less. rolling stones: love the old stuff until aftermath. from aftermath to exile they could do no wrong. since then, they've gotten lazy and unpredictable. sometimes the solo releases are better than the most recent stones output. kinks: thanks for the advice. they are the british sixties pioneer band that i've taken the longest to get into. something else, muswell hillbillies, and kronikles are all i have at this point. who: still haven't got any of their pre-tommy stuff except 'meaty beaty big and bouncy'. i think a lot of folks are going to be very happy that there was a vulture hovering overhead to save the tour. elvis presley: i fluctuate between being "an elvis man" and "a beatles man" and i'm ok with that. if you can't dig 'the sun sessions' or 'the memphis record' than...um...motherfuck you. death penalty: in an age when prisons are big business, it makes no sense that we still kill people because we think (i don't believe that there is such a thing as "a reasonable doubt" in capital cases) that they killed someone. slightly more evolved than the lynch mob or the war on terror. god: i think that everyone believes in god. it's just a matter of how you look at it. atheists, for example, believe that god is nothing. i try and look at all of the religions of the world and find a connecting thread. throw in some science. mix it in your mental blender and spread on those lenses through which you look at the world. always be willing to hear another perspective. god is in all of us. ken "you don't fuck the future, the future fucks you" the kenster np who is jill scott: words & sounds volume one jill scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:12:41 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: no time to think of clever subject line On 1 Jul 2002 at 9:50, gSs wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > > outside the godless-liberal-communist Portland/Ashland/Eugene axis. > > liberalism and communism are 180 degress apart. In practice, yes. In theory no. Natalie's characterisation isn't inappropriate if we're talking about domestic commies, is it? Granted, the system seems to offer spectacular opportunities for abuse of power. > when i think of the > communists and all the glory communism has brought this world, the first > thing that comes to mind is stalin. the communists worship the man, > still. how can such a person be so revered? 1) ask 1st guy if he reveres you. Shoot him if he answers "no" 2) ask 2nd guy. 3) repeat until reverence is established. Didn't the Spanish do that do bolster Jesus' popularity? I don't believe Stalin is held in particularly high regard in what's left of the USSR today, but maybe I'm wrong. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:35:07 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: cleaning with pledge On 1 Jul 2002 at 8:36, drew wrote: > Hmmm..."You Better You Bet" was the song that most recently > reminded me of this "oh, THAT'S the Who? I still don't get it" > thing that I have with them. I've always been curious to hear > Tommy, so maybe I'll try to borrow that sometime. > I love the Who's music, but still don't get it when I hear "You Better You Bet". Daltrey's voice is thoroughly blown and unable to express anything subtle at this point (ducking) and I think Pete had already tired of the band. Go back a bit further; it's just as easy for you! You wouldn't tell somebody to start learning the Beatles from Let It Be, would you? If you were in my livingroom and wanted to hear some Who, I'd probably put on Who's Next and Quadrophenia before Tommy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:45:21 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: is this an interesting subject line? On 1 Jul 2002 at 16:02, ross taylor wrote: > The Who tour -- > > with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker! That's the best suggestion I've heard so far. I want to see that band! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:59:30 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Footnote Oh yes, happy Canada Day to Barbara, Fric and Stewart (and Caroline if you're still on this side of the border), and any Canadian lurkers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:35:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: we're so heavy I'll try to say what I gotta say with a little more terseness. Here goes nothing. Kay: interesting stuff to chew on. It may be difficult to try and convey the nature of a spiritual experience but I think it's worth trying, and it's a little frustrating to be told "when you have one, you'll understand, and until you do, you'll never understand." I'm particularly interested in how you knew you were dealing with the Christ, and truly; I'd be worried that I saw Jesus merely because I grew up surrounded by Christians and understood spiritual reality through their filters. Capital punishment: I'm not a fan, but I also have trouble with the idea that it makes us all murderers but somehow life imprisonment doesn't make us all kidnappers and slaveowners. I guess I'd choose life in prison over execution, sure, but the former doesn't seem significantly more humane, just more humane. Then there's the old favorite banishment, which seems most reasonable until you realize you're banishing someone dangerous to go and harm others. Elvis: pleasant is the word that comes to mind for Presley. My interest in him doesn't go beyond that. I feel pretty much exactly the same way about Public Enemy, come to think of it. And Costello, though he isn't always pleasant. I have an Elvis Costello greatest hits thingy but rarely find the patience to sit through the whole thing. > From: "FS Thomas" > You decided > in committing a > double homicide that the value of your victim's lives > wasn't worth > considering, ergo why should yours be? This line of reasoning doesn't work for me either. First of all, you don't know that the killer didn't consider the value of their lives. In fact, he probably counted it higher than you or I would, since he presumably had considerable motive to take their lives (profit, revenge, perverse pleasure). Second, we don't really consider the value of murder victims' lives; we generally figure that every human's life is of equal value for purposes of law, even when those murdered were themselves murderers (unless we're talking self-defense). So whether we "consider" it or not, aren't we a little hypocritical in not esteeming the value of the killer's life as equal to that of either of his victims? To me, the idea of lives having "value" is meaningless. Either they all have equal value, in which case what's the point of discussing it, or they don't, in which case who's going to measure it and to what use will that measure be put? What's really important when we're talking about a killer is neutralizing the danger so that no more lives are lost. One way of doing that is execution, and another is confinement. As the cannibal undertaker from Monty Python would say, "well, they're both nasty..." Life in a maximum-security prison might or might not be worse than death, I don't know; at least there would be rough sex to look forward to every night. Life in a little room with the lights on 24 hours a day being starved and interrogated would be pretty horrible, though, and I think I would prefer death to that. It's all in the circumstances. > From: "Rex.Broome" > The Who: It's hard to beat "Meaty Beaty Big & Bouncy" as > a primer. There's no way in hell I could buy an album called "Meaty Beaty Big & Bouncy." Even if it were recorded by Pansy Division. Maybe if it were recorded by Joy Division. > From: "No Name" > Hmm, but then you might miss "Like a Hurricane" or > "Needle and the Damage > Done" or "A Man Needs a Maid" which are sorta mid-period? I've heard all those and I'm not eager to hear them again. > Drew, have you really never heard and/or liked "Cinnimon > Girl"? Never heard, so far as I know. > I wonder what would have happend to Holly(who in alot of > ways is -alot- > easier to like) if he hadnt died young. My dad used to play a tape of Buddy Holly hits in the car all the time. It got a bit annoying after a while, but I enjoyed them at the time. > From: "ross taylor" > I've noticed that Drew and I seem to agree about > literature, politics and matters of judgement > generally, but be polar opposites regarding > music. I think I'm going to start avoiding any > music Drew recommends. In that case, I'll take your Robyn Hitchcock records off your hands, cheap! Drew, currently listening to a mix of intensely cheesy 80s tunes ===== - -- Andrew D. Simchik, adsimchik@yahoo.com Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 20:02:07 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: soft boys gig noticed that a soft boys gig at london's mean fiddler on october 17th has been added to robynhitchcock.com. one presumes more soft gigs will sprout up then too since it will be post-nextdoorland...perhaps this is tour warm-up? woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:20:22 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Late-breaking news re: The Buzzard feeds on the Ox at midnight Jes' found out a co-worker is going to the half-Who's debut at the Hollywood Bowl tonight. Will advise. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:05:40 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Catching Up Drew: > It may be difficult > to try and convey the nature of a spiritual experience > but I think it's worth trying, and it's a little > frustrating to be told "when you have one, you'll > understand, and until you do, you'll never understand." Um, yep...that's about it. I find it awfully hard to explain the depth and power of mine in ways that can be appreciated, even to people who actually appear interested. I'm sure it's to my detriment, that I don't talk about it much at all, but I've acquired an awful distate for proselytizing and hate to appear that way. Drew again: > I'm particularly interested in how you knew you were > dealing with the Christ, and truly; I'd be worried that > I saw Jesus merely because I grew up surrounded by > Christians and understood spiritual reality through > their filters. There's no doubting it. He looks like a young Yul Gibbons. Seriously, I can only say that's there's no chance of mistaking it when it happens. None. Christ unscrewed the top of my head and popped inside, and right on the steps before a college class. Freaky. And it doesn't LOOK like anything. It FEELS like everything. Quail on the bass: > And I've always had a soft spot for Iron Maiden's Steve Harris. That's a cold sore. Good God! "Bomber Harris"; I'd forgotten about him. This from someone who owned 'Killers'...and I haven't seen mention of Bootsy Collins and his Space Bass yet, or have I missed it? Chuck Rainey, John Paul Jones, Kenny Gradney, Chuck Bergeron... And Quail, isn't your Rush show coming up? I expect an effusive review. woj > noticed that a soft boys gig at london's mean fiddler on october 17th has > been added to robynhitchcock.com. one presumes more soft gigs will sprout > up then too since it will be post-nextdoorland...perhaps this is tour warm-up? Oh yeah...Halloween Hitchcock 2002. More tales about pumpkins. You know, I've always felt that Robyn would do a great cover of The Alarm's "Rain in the Summertime." Just a thought. And if you're looking for the bottle opener...ask the Lutherans. They had it last. Michael "we just seem a little weird" Wells np: Cheap Trick - Music for Hangovers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:28:27 EDT From: Randallriebe@aol.com Subject: Re: Bass... Once again, TGQ has succeeded in making me aroused. hmmmm, if he had longer hair, a higher voice, hmmmmmmmmmm.......... : ) Steve Harris is amazing. I've seen Iron Maiden in concert 3 times and if I'm not incorrect, Harris writes most of the songs. The lyrics tend to be lame and he keeps kicking out bandmates but otherwise, an amazing bass player. I doubt he and Townsend would get along however. Another recommendation.....Geezer Butler when he was in a zone, a la "Heaven and Hell", some of the most melodic bass playing I'd heard in the midst of heavy metal grunge. Les Claypool, of course. Enough said. While I was at a concert, my buddy said "he could play bass in his sleep". Geddy Lee. And a host of jazz players. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:31:17 EDT From: Randallriebe@aol.com Subject: Re: Bass... Damn, I forgot that guy from Duran Duran. Taylor is it? Very good, slap happy bassist. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:40:41 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Apple acquires eMagic This is huge. The last sentence says it all. - -tc Apple Acquires Emagic CUPERTINO, California and HAMBURG, Germany July 1, 2002 Apple. today announced it has acquired Emagic, a leading provider of professional software solutions for computer based music production. Emagic9s most popular product, Logic, is actively used by over 200,000 musicians around the world. Emagic will operate as a wholly owned division of Apple. 3Emagic has set the industry standard for professional music creation and production,2 said Sina Tamaddon, Apple9s senior vice president of Applications. 3We9re very excited to have the Emagic team join Apple and create more amazing products for musicians.2 Macintosh.-based products account for over 65 percent of Emagic9s current revenues. Emagic9s Windows-based product offerings will be discontinued on September 30, 2002. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:12:07 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Apple acquires eMagic On Mon, Jul 1, 2002, Tom Clark wrote: > This is huge. The last sentence says it all. > -tc > > > Apple Acquires Emagic > > Macintosh.-based products account for over 65 percent of Emagic9s current > revenues. Emagic9s Windows-based product offerings will be discontinued on > September 30, 2002. Because of OS X, I am seriously expecting to see Apple/Mac become the new SGI. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:22:26 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Young, Who, Stones >Sebastian: >Usually I suggest "Rust Never Sleeps" for beginners, >< because it has an acoustic and an electric "side". > >Good idea. The other day I was listening to old Buffalo Springfield and was >pleased with how well it all still sounded. At the end of the last Soft Boys >concert in Philly the house lights came up to "Expecting to Fly." Add "Mr >Soul" "Broken Arrow" "On My Way Home" and "I am a Child"(as well as other >great stuff, like "Nowadays Clancy Cant Even Sing"(thou not Young, I dont >think))and then stuff from the first few solo albumns and that should do the >trick. and Pay the Price, Sit Down i think I love You, et al. Buffalo Springfield are a much neglected musical wonder IMHO. As for starter albums, "Rust Never Sleeps" is a good option, but I'd also suggest either "Harvest" or "After the Gold Rush" if you want to try his less rocking stuff. The Stones? Since I think the RS are only worthwhile up to the mid 1970s, I'd go for the two "Big Hits" copmpilations - "High tide and green grass", and "Through the past darkly". For the Who, I'd search for "Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy". James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:22:23 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: legalised murder >> U.S. District Judge Rakoff said the federal death penalty act "deprives >> innocent people of a significant opportunity to prove their innocence" > >Significant opportunity already exists. It's called the appeals process. and if evidence of innocence turns up after the appeals process is over...? If the prisoner is still serving time, they can rejoin the community. That's not that easy if the penal system has already murdered them. >Which is why the Supremes at one point ruled more or less that, even if >compelling evidence of innocence exists, after a certain point it can no >longer be introduced... that would have to have been in the lyrics of "You keep me hangin' (on)", right? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:27:30 -0400 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: Apple acquires eMagic On 1 Jul 2002 at 16:40, Tom Clark wrote: > This is huge. The last sentence says it all. > -tc > Emagic9s Windows-based product offerings will be > discontinued on September 30, 2002. Now Logic can become the marginal product as Mac. Youppie! - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:47:26 -0400 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: Footnote On 2 Jul 2002 at 18:59, rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > Oh yes, happy Canada Day to Barbara, Fric and Stewart (and Caroline if > you're still on this side of the border), and any Canadian lurkers. Non, merci! - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 08:03:48 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: RE: Camper Van Fleetwood Ed, Rex, Thanks for the thoughts on CvB's Tusk. I'm more interested in now and although I can't consider it an essential purchase I reckon it will find its way into my home at some point. Brian np Kimberley Rew : GCR _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:34:45 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: interesting Interesting copyright ruling here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/07/02/ublue.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/07/02/ixport.html Apparently the fact that Bobby Valentino added a fiddle part to 'Young at heart' makes him into a co-author of the song. Does this mean that anyone who ever threw together a guitar solo or riff can claim a co-authorship? Kimberley might be in for a few bob on some of those Soft Boys numbers! Seriously, I'm surprised at this ruling. What do other people think? - - Mike Godwin PS My favourite Springfield tracks are Flying on the Ground is Wrong, Kind Woman, and Rock'n'Roll Woman. Didn't Yes used to perform 'Everydays', or have I made that up? n.p. Darkness Darkness, Youngbloods. What a record! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:58:59 +0000 From: "No Name" Subject: Ask not for whom ... Jeffrey: >What gets me is >when some religious people start thinking that reason is the grounds >for >their faith - when, by definition, it's not. Right, its not the grounds. Its not fertile enough. >And obviously, I'm very intrigued by >religious ideas (or I wouldn't spend all this time typing) As am I. Im just more of a poet than a scientist about it. Id rather know it from the inside as well as from the outside. Why humans are a religion-making mammal, why we create/perceive the Gods we do, how different cultures and times work with this need, all the various psychological effects--I think its one of the -least- understood areas of our colorful human nature. And therefore one of the more fascinating ones. - ----------------------------- Shell: >all claims of magic, esp, mind control, any aspect or part of the >"supernatural" is nothing but food for the ignorant. OK, darling, lets see about that;-P Has anyone on Feg ever had an "uncanny" expereince. Something for which our present theories do not seem to account for? Ill take the long jump off a short pier first. It was an autumn night in high school in New York. I was part of a very close group of about 12 girls, many of us from extremelly dysfunctional families. Our idea of an exiciting Friday night was to get together, drink alittle, smoke alittle, hang out(this was an all girls school. Most of us were virgins, few of us dated and if we did our dates were most likely locked down at some boarding school far away in New England. So you're talking perfect gist for polergiest mill here -- a large group of sexually-underutalized adoleacent girls.) My parents were in the country so we were at my apartment that night. While eating dinner, out of nowhere, something unexpected happened. My parents had an antique clock on a sidetable in the dining room. It had never worked. Nevertheless, in the middle of our meal a bell started going off. We couldn't figure out where it was coming from. Finially we tracked the noise down. Yup, it was the inoperative clock tolling 10.30. Needless to say I expressed my amazement and puzzelment. Then promptly forgot about it. Later that evening we were in my bedroom, passing a rather mild joint around(this was the nascent 70s and our connection wasn't very good. Im talking a very mild joint.) Somehow all of our bonding came together in a single hysterical moment and suddenly we were all nattering confessions, the deep dark, and in many cases quite dramatic secrets of our families. It was like spontaneous combustion. Of all my time spent with these girls in all of high school, no other moment was as charged as this emotional pentacost. We were all sobbing and hugging and talking compulsively. And I looked up at my green Peter Max wall clock and it was 10.30. When I pointed this out, a hush went over all of us. Most of us felt our skin prickle. Coincidence? Perhaps. But the clock has never sounded since. Nor have I ever experienced since such an intense instance of small-group hysteria. More Shell: >the famous "magicians" have all been disproven again >and again. Uri Geller himself proved it to me, twice. What does >he call himself now, a paranormalist? What a sorry ass motherfucker Agreed. From what I have seen of this sort of thing, anyone who claims to get consistant results is a con artist. Oh, and especially if they make money from it;-) Final Shell: >what happened to tony brown? is he still alive? his work on >'blood on the tracks' to me is the single most impressive >i have ever heard. This makes me realize I have no idea of who played on one of my favorite Dylan albumns. But yeah, it is impressive. Rex: >Andy. Andy!!! Feel >free to laugh yr asses off. Since Im already a Feg heretic, I'll throw in one more bit. I also miss Andy. I vote for an alternative universe where -both- Matt and Andy sometimes play bass with Robyn. Nat--that link you sent in didnt work! I love reading bad reviews of Robyn. It gets my blood boiling in a pleasingly self-righteous way. I get to mutter stuff like "naf git" under my breathe and feel very superior. I -hate- to be robbed of this pleasure. Kay "Your hair is reminiscent of a digesting yak." Surrealist compliment generator. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #214 ********************************