From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #213 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, July 1 2002 Volume 11 : Number 213 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Bass... [The Great Quail ] Re: The Lord sayeth [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: stumbling, forward [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: gellereist. [gSs ] Bass fer yr Face (Robyn content) ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: more entwistle [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: screaming people fly so fast ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Bass... [Ken Weingold ] Re: stumbling, forward ["FS Thomas" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #208 [dmw ] Re: stumbling, forward [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Oh yeah, on Tuatara/Who/Kinks ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: stumbling, forward ["FS Thomas" ] Re: stumbling, forward [gSs ] Old Fart speaks out ["No Name" ] is this an interesting subject line? ["ross taylor" Subject: Bass... Man oh man, poor John. What a great bassist. What a fucking GREAT bassist, what a unique style. Yeah, I agree with Mike Geddy Lee and Les Claypool are up there, as is Tony Levin, for me. Phil Lesh of the Grateful Dead is truly an amazing bassist, but you only see that live the man is a wizard. Chris Squire *used* to be a great bassist, but he9s done only shite for nearly twenty years now. And I've always had a soft spot for Iron Maiden's Steve Harris. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:00:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: The Lord sayeth On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, No Name wrote, after massaging her toe: > If I had never stubbed my toe against spiritual reality, I would be an > aithiest. Its the most reasonable, sane position. If I had only stubbed it > once or twice, or may have stubbed it, Im not sure, I would be an agnostic > as its the most resonable, sane position. But Ive stubbed my toe alot, and > in enough ways for none of the arguments agaisnt spiritual belief to hold > water. Therefore the most reasonable and sane position for me to hold is > that of a "believer." I think it was William James who said something about the impossibility of gainsaying anyone else's spiritual experience. And it's also true that, throughout this discussion, probably because of how it started, I haven't distinguished between knowledge, reason, proof, etc. (what we've been talking about) and faith (a different animal entirely). What gets me is when some religious people start thinking that reason is the grounds for their faith - when, by definition, it's not. What faith is, well, that's a tougher question, which I will leave alone. So far. > But a believer in what? And that for me, is where it gets sticky. I guess Im > a gnostic, episcopalian Christian. Gnostic for the idea of personal > knowledge, episcopalian because thats the denomination I was born into and > currently worship(Im talking -gret- church music here) within and Christian > because my expereinces involve Jesus Christ. So thats the label thats the > most accurate at this moment. But labels by nature are too limited for human > consiousness, so please, dont hold me strictly to it. Who knows what > tommorrow will bring? If confined to a corner and poked repeatedly with an uncomfortable object, I'm sure I could be made to agree that the *concept* of some sort of God-force might exist. But I'm not so sure I'd really agree that, without some of the more specific God-attributes we've discussed, it's not just some law of physics (which few of us are inclined to literally worship). And acknowledging that we don't know everything, it seems furthermore reasonable to accept the more things in heaven & earth philosophy, and therefore I can endorse Kay's "gnostic for the idea of personal knowledge" idea. And another thing I haven't said is that undoubtedly faith has played and will continue to play major roles in people's lives - often positive, sometimes sadly negative. And obviously, I'm very intrigued by religious ideas (or I wouldn't spend all this time typing). But I have trouble with certain specific religious ideas concerning things like mode of worship, presuming to know what God thinks, imagining that somehow prayer can suspend the laws of reality for one individual if somehow "God" says so, etc. I will also note that no matter how much I might talk about logic, reason, etc., I'm as capable as anyone else of ignoring, willfully or not, what those things have to say when it suits my interests. Sometimes that's probably a good thing, other times I'm sure it's not. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I feel that all movies should have things that happen in them:: __TV's Frank__ np: The Embarrassment _God Help Us_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:05:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: stumbling, forward On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, FS Thomas wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > U.S. District Judge Rakoff said the federal death penalty act "deprives > > innocent people of a significant opportunity to prove their innocence" > > Significant opportunity already exists. It's called the appeals process. Which is why the Supremes at one point ruled more or less that, even if compelling evidence of innocence exists, after a certain point it can no longer be introduced... Not to mention the grossly inequitable treatment of some demographics, from street to courtroom to jail cell to death chamber - nor to mention that, perfection being outside human capacity, by allowing the death penalty we are saying it's okay to kill innocent people once in a while, so long as we have our reasons. Which is pretty much the reasoning murderers use, isn't it. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who apparently was never told not to discuss religion and politics... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Never drive a car when you're dead:: __Tom Waits__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:06:09 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: gellereist. On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Jonathan Fetter wrote: > My understanding of atheism is that you don't believe in the > supernatural. I don't think it's any more foolish than believing in the > supernatural. I assume the intent of the words "philosphically > untenable" in reference to atheism (and thus theism) is that there is > no way to disprove either belief. all claims of magic, esp, mind control, any aspect or part of the "supernatural" is nothing but food for the ignorant. they eat it up like hungry goldfish eat the flakes as they swim through their own shit in a tiny bowl. the famous "magicians" have all been disproven again and again. Uri Geller himself proved it to me, twice. What does he call himself now, a paranormalist? What a sorry ass motherfucker. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:17:24 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Bass fer yr Face (Robyn content) From Eb (?) >>Yeah. He (Palladino)played on "Boys of Summer," "Everytime You Go Away," "No >>One Is To Blame" and pretty much anyt hing else that had a fretless bass in the 80s. Except the Egyptians records (cf. Leopard, Winchester, Knife, et. al.) On the topic of "great" bassists, I don't think anyone mentioned Mike Watt... he seems to be rather forgotten outside of Southern California, but if you're gonna mention Claypool, Watt merits a nod since, while some might class him as an over-player or whatever, he does his thing on music that, to me, is way more involving and moving than Primus (who just seem smug to me). I mean, in addition to the legacy of the minutemen and the underrated fIREHOSE, he does these great live shows (usually with Nels Cline) highlighted by some great covers... you'll get Television, Bikini Kill, Roky Erickson, Daniel Johnston, Superchunk and inevitably some Blue Oyster Cult. Oh, and at All Tomorrow's Parties he put together this band with J Mascis and Ron and Scott Asheton that ripped through the first two Stooges records with round-robin guest vocalists. Very nice. Let's just say that I wouldn't have traded my spot on the floor for Oysterhead tickets. Generally I go for distinctive playing over virtuosi-tee in my bassists. Peter Hook. Naomi Yang. Jah Wobble. Mike Mills. Andy. Andy!!! Feel free to laugh yr asses off. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:15:54 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: screaming people fly so fast >>Costello yes, Presley no. I just don't give a shit about him. >>What was >>that Public Enemy line... > >the one about Presley being a racist? Nah, I was thinking of a line in the same song about "Elvis didn't mean shit to me" or something like that. I don't think Elvis was a racist. Like Drew, I never got into the Rolling Stones - they always bored me. I like "Ruby Tuesday" and the unintentionally hilarious "Their Satanic Majesties Request," but that's about it. I guess I'm a heretic twice over (for not liking Dylan, either). Dunno if anyone's posted this yet, but here's an amusingly cruel review of "Robyn Sings": http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/h/hitchcock_robyn/robyn-sings.shtml Anyway. n. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:19:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: more entwistle On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > from: > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2002/06/29/MN147026.DTL > > organizer said that Palladino had been keeping his schedule open in > case Entwistle's heart condition caused him to miss shows on the tour. Jesus. I can imagine the calls: (from his manager) "No, Tony, I'm tellin' ya - I can't track that Celine single. Entwistle could kick at any minute." So what, ol' Pino's there in the hospital, with his bass strapped on, waiting for Entwistle to kick the bucket? "Yeah, Pete - you're asking me how's he doin'? Not so good, no. Hey, check out this lick I've come up with - pretty cool, no? Oops, just swung the bass's neck around, loosened a catheter here. Uh, Doc? Doc? Ah, never mind." I think people going to the Who shows should start calling Palladino "Buzzard." Yell up at him onstage, "hey Buzzard! Yo! Buzzard!" See if he gets it. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::[clever or pithy quote]:: __[source of quote]__ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:28:26 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: screaming people fly so fast At 11:15 AM 7/1/2002 -0700, Natalie Jane wrote: >>>Costello yes, Presley no. I just don't give a shit about him. >>What >>>was that Public Enemy line... >> >>the one about Presley being a racist? > >Nah, I was thinking of a line in the same song about "Elvis didn't mean >shit to me" or something like that. I don't think Elvis was a racist. It's from 'Fight the Power' (used extensively in 'Do the Right Thing') and I believe it goes something like: 'Elvis was a hero to most But he never meant shit to me Straight-up racist, the sucker was simple and plain Motherfuck him and John Wayne.' I used to listen to a lot of PE about a decade ago. - --Grandmaster J "cracker-ass" T ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:27:03 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Bass... On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, The Great Quail wrote: > And I've always had a soft spot for Iron Maiden's Steve Harris. what happened to tony brown? is he still alive? his work on 'blood on the tracks' to me is the single most impressive i have ever heard. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:39:15 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Bass... One AMAZING bassist who seems to get overlooked is Leigh Gorman from Bow Wow Wow. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:50:35 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Re: stumbling, forward - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" > > Which is why the Supremes at one point ruled more or less that, even if > compelling evidence of innocence exists, after a certain point it can no > longer be introduced. You've got to conceed that the appeals process (in the broad sense--not just in capital matters) is too often abused. Appeals are filed simply to force paperwork and proceedings. Granted, the end result in these matters is higher, but the process is still the same. > Not to mention the grossly inequitable treatment of some demographics, > from street to courtroom to jail cell to death chamber - nor to mention > that, perfection being outside human capacity, by allowing the death > penalty we are saying it's okay to kill innocent people once in a while, > so long as we have our reasons. Inequitable treatment of demographics? Meaning a disproportionate representation? Hypothetical: You're convicted of a double murder by a ponderance of evidence and a jury of your peers. During the investigation, trial, and penalty phase you show zero remorse. During the ten years of incarceration you show no moves towards rehabilitation. You're sociopathic and a threat to the prison population and guards. You've spent the past five of those ten years in solitary. Why should the state foot the bill for you? You decided in committing a double homicide that the value of your victim's lives wasn't worth considering, ergo why should yours be? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:59:37 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #208 On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, gSs wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Michael Wells wrote: > > And I'm not sure there's a finer rock record than "Who's Next." > > quadrophenia london calling :-b but we don't *really* want to play this game, do we? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:08:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: stumbling, forward On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, FS Thomas wrote: > You've got to conceed that the appeals process (in the broad sense--not just > in capital matters) is too often abused. Appeals are filed simply to force > paperwork and proceedings. Granted, the end result in these matters is > higher, but the process is still the same. So, uh, what? Any process can be abused. I'm not sure what your point is: you initially offered the appeals process as the opportunity for a plaintiff to prove his or her innocence; I pointed out that there are limits (which I obviusly disagree with) to that process as a means of preventing the execution of innocents. What's that got to do with the fact that people can abuse the appeals process? (or abuse their ability to drive a car, or to eat pizza, or to clip their fingernails in a public place...)? > > Not to mention the grossly inequitable treatment of some demographics, > > from street to courtroom to jail cell to death chamber - nor to mention > > that, perfection being outside human capacity, by allowing the death > > penalty we are saying it's okay to kill innocent people once in a while, > > so long as we have our reasons. > > Inequitable treatment of demographics? Meaning a disproportionate > representation? Yes, but not only: in the US, African-Americans are likelier to be arrested, likelier to be convicted, likelier to be sentenced to longer sentences and be denied parole, and likelier to be sentenced to death - for the last, in specific comparison to whites convincted of murder. > Hypothetical: You're convicted of a double murder by a ponderance of > evidence and a jury of your peers. During the investigation, trial, and > penalty phase you show zero remorse. During the ten years of incarceration > you show no moves towards rehabilitation. You're sociopathic and a threat > to the prison population and guards. You've spent the past five of those > ten years in solitary. > > Why should the state foot the bill for you? You decided in committing a > double homicide that the value of your victim's lives wasn't worth > considering, ergo why should yours be? I don't know. But the problem with a death penalty is that the guy you describe above isn't everyone accused of a crime that could draw the death penalty. This guy's guilty, to be sure. But most cases are far more ambiguous - particularly as to guilt. And in fact, to answer your first question: because I don't believe the state has the right to take anyone's life, even if there seems to be good reason for it. Otherwise the difference between the state and, say, the mob is simply whose authority you're willing to acknowledge, or whose ethics you're willing to subscribe to. And for the Mafia hitman, who may well have a more highly developed ethical sense than many politicians or law enforcement officers, and who may well argue that the guy he's supposed to wack *knows* the rules, and knows if they're violated what the penalty is...well, he probably sleeps better, even, than your indigent Texan accused murderer's court-appointed lawyer did, in the courtroom, during the trial. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::crumple zones:::::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::::small-craft warning:: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:22:22 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Oh yeah, on Tuatara/Who/Kinks Yup, I'm off God and high on life. Tuatara... they're on their third album, which is two too many. Kind of interesting instrumental noir-ish multicultural stuff. Then you get the second record and it's very much the same. What I've heard from the third shows little progress. I think it's a deal where if you live in Seattle and you need a break from your frontman, bring some funky ethnic instrument on down to the studio and let's go. Other artists recently menitoned: The Who: It's hard to beat "Meaty Beaty Big & Bouncy" as a primer. Pair that with "Who's Next" and you got most of the familiar singles. Tag on "Tommy" and "Quadrophenia" and there's your epics. But the real fun is mining for the gems on their really early stuff, IMHO. Sebeastion on the Kinks: >> I asked Ira Kaplan from >>Yo La Tengo where to start and he recommended the Kink Kronikles (sp?) to >>me. So I bought that and I still think it's a great compilation. Meanwhile >>I have gotten almost all the albums from that period separately ;-) Friends in high places! "Kronikles" is that rare compilation that hangs together in its own right, plus it has lots of non-album tracks that are great (mind you, I got finished my Kinks collection before the reissues, so I can't comment on the bonus tracks)... As mentioned by others, "Something Else" and "Village Green" are essential (I give the slight edge to "Village"), and I would add "Face to Face" now that you can get it. (I have a nifty Japanese twofer of "Kontroversy" and "Face to Face"... nb. the kover "Kontroversy" was duplicated by Sleater-Kinney for "Dig Me Out", which is extra kool as it was out of print at the time). None of that stuff covers the early hits, so if you need that stuff, there are tones of cheapy compilations. My favorite cofiguration of the early material is the three discs Rhino made combining the US and UK versions of the first few albums. I think they're out of print now but occasionally show up as cut-outs. Many a lovely b-side is preserved thereon. The Stones were pretty well covered and I promised to stop blathering about Neil, so there you go... but if you don't find something you like on either "Rust" or "Decade", Neil's not for you. Conversely, if you need CD's of his never-in-print stuff etc., I'm a good person to know. Rex, Shocked to have heard "The Old Homestead" on the radio this morning... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:15:38 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: stumbling, forward On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, FS Thomas wrote: > Why should the state foot the bill for you? You decided in committing a > double homicide that the value of your victim's lives wasn't worth > considering, ergo why should yours be? I get into arguements with christians about this all the time. I will make a remark about particular evangelist or the church itself and they come back with "we are not supposed to judge others, that is what god does after you die and it says that in the bible", yet they support the death penalty. the church has a selective intolerance that i cannot tolerate. because we have executed innocent people is reason enough not have the draconian practice. nobody deserves to die after the fact. it is simply revenge. i do think though that any adult who kills someone maliciously should spend the rest of their life in prison and I am willing to pay for it. That applies to most if not all rapists, molesters, malicious prosecuters, judges and especially the police. also, a cop convicted of a crime should automatically recieve double the sentence of any civilian convicted of the same crime. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:34:51 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Re: stumbling, forward - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "It's Not Just the Size of a Walnut" Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: Re: stumbling, forward > On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, FS Thomas wrote: > > > You've got to concede that the appeals process (in the broad sense--not just > > in capital matters) is too often abused. Appeals are filed simply to force > > paperwork and proceedings. Granted, the end result in these matters is > > higher, but the process is still the same. > > So, uh, what? Any process can be abused. The point is that in any proceeding--be it civil or criminal, petty or capital--there has to be a cut-off date otherwise the appellate courts will never be able to keep up with the demand for new hearings. > Yes, but not only: in the US, African-Americans are likelier to be > arrested, likelier to be convicted, likelier to be sentenced to longer > sentences and be denied parole, and likelier to be sentenced to death - > for the last, in specific comparison to whites convinced of murder. That's where I thought you were going with that. I haven't got an answer for you. Are any one subset of society more prone to commit crimes than another? Are groups of people lumped into similar economic conditions more likely to commit crimes of a certain nature? I don't know. Where do the bulk of the capital punishment crimes originate? The cities or the suburbs? Rural communities? Rich, poor, or middle class? If those convicted are clinging to the bottom rung of a city's economic ladder then it might be a safe bet that minorities would make up a disproportionately heavy percentage of those convicted. If I'm not mistaken, isn't Texas the leader for capital convictions? What's the racial mix of the Texan prisons? If it's black then that might make sense. Is it a problem with their habits of conviction and investigation? Bias in policing? Or just that the cookie crumbles that way with the state's majority of criminal offenders being of a minority? Who knows? If you have mirror-image crimes, one committed by a white and another by a black and the African American gets the needle while the white gets fifteen to life...then you might have a problem. > ...that the guy he's > supposed to whack *knows* the rules, and knows if they're violated what the > penalty is... Anyone who pulls the trigger of a gun or stabs someone or drowns their kids in the tub should know damn well what the penalty is. I agree with the cop being treated twice as harshly. Nice twist on the problem of corruption. I would also be in favor of jacking gun penalties. Knock over a liquor store with a bat--good for you; three years hard labor. Knock over one and use a gun--even if you don't fire it; fifteen. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:50:33 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: stumbling, forward > I would also be in favor of jacking gun penalties. Knock over a liquor > store with a bat--good for you; three years hard labor. > Knock over one and use a gun--even if you don't fire it; fifteen. i disagree. if you kill a guy with a bat, should you get a lighter sentance than if you kill him with a gun? what if you choke a person to death with your penis, on purpose? should the penalty be any different than if you used some other weapon? what if you tie up your child and torture it for years in all sorts of ways and the kid finally dies, should you get a lighter sentance than the junkie who robbed the liquor store and killed the cashier? here is another example: i shoot you with a compound bow and you die. it was a premeditated crime. should the penalty be any different since I didn't use a firearm? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 19:59:59 +0000 From: "No Name" Subject: Old Fart speaks out Sebastian: >Usually I suggest "Rust Never Sleeps" for beginners, < because it has an acoustic and an electric "side". Good idea. The other day I was listening to old Buffalo Springfield and was pleased with how well it all still sounded. At the end of the last Soft Boys concert in Philly the house lights came up to "Expecting to Fly." Add "Mr Soul" "Broken Arrow" "On My Way Home" and "I am a Child"(as well as other great stuff, like "Nowadays Clancy Cant Even Sing"(thou not Young, I dont think))and then stuff from the first few solo albumns and that should do the trick. Hmm, but then you might miss "Like a Hurricane" or "Needle and the Damage Done" or "A Man Needs a Maid" which are sorta mid-period? Drew, have you really never heard and/or liked "Cinnimon Girl"? Even overplayed as it is its still one of my all-time top 10 favorite rock n roll raves. Like Robyn, Young manages to be both a great kick-out-the-jams rocker plus a on-the-mark folkie. There is a feeling to alot of his stuff, a plagent, yearning, bittersweet tenderness that, well, can just break you heart, or even better, makes a perfect companion to one that is. For the Who Id start with "Meaty, Beefy, Big and Bouncy" their first greatest hits compilation. It misses lots of good stuff but gives enough of a taste. JFTR "The Kids are Alright" is right up there with "Cinnamen Girl" for my all time top rock n roll 10. The harmonies, the drums and most of all, the oddly(for rock n roll) generous sentiment(break your heart again), cannot be beat. I also have a weakness for the albumn of "Magic Bus." I agree with Sebastion in "Kinks Kronicles." The problem is the CD has far worse sound than the record, so see if you can get it on LP. (However Im also with Nat, its Village Green Preservation Socity thats engraved in my soul.) Stones? "Get of my Cloud""Shattered" and "Monkey Man" for the funny lyrics with perfect loud guitars(they're all sorta the same song. But in a really good way. You'll appreciate(I hope) the immortal lyric "I can't -give- it away on 7th Avenue." Have you ever been to NY?)"Exile" is probobly the apex but I like almost everything up till then, even Satatnic Majesties. "Between the Buttons" is -so- of its time and place, plus you get Watt's cartoons if you can find an LP with intact backcover. "Stickey Fingers" and "Thru a Glass Darkly" are also good start-up discs. And if you want to -hear- the lyrics to "Tumbling Dice", listen to Linda Rohnstadt's version first and then go back to the Stones one, which is, yup, one of my 10 all time top favorites etc etc. As for Elvis the P--I have two Elvis modes. The first one is a liking for the older stuff, like "Mystery Train" or "Baby Lets Play House." The second one is a --this is so fucking bad its good. "Suspecious Minds" and "Hunka Hunk of Burning Love" fall into that categorty. I have always thought the end of "Hunka Hunk..." was one of the funnest things in all rock n roll. Now - -theres- a song I d like to see Robyn throw in for a few bars at the end of some other song. Especially if he puts his hands behind his heads and wiggles his hips...;0) I wonder what would have happend to Holly(who in alot of ways is -alot- easier to like) if he hadnt died young. Kay "Your hair is reminiscent of a digesting yak." Surrealist compliment generator. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:02:16 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: is this an interesting subject line? Who's dead -- So, Keith is a poltergeist, John is an actual spider -- what about the other two? My guess is that Roger gets reincarnated as the ornamental prow of a sailing ship. Can't imagine what Pete will be, a pinball wouldn't do him justice, though he would get to bounce around a lot. As far as I can see the only problem w/ Tommy is the old thing of being overplayed. I loved the rhythm work of later Who, but hated it when Roger started bellowing. - --- Who is this God person, anyway?-- Drew-- >Speaking of not believing in god, I find that there are >still four rather prominent figures in the history of white >rock 'n' roll by whom I own no records, whose canon I >have yet to crack. They are: I don't believe in god, don't like any sports, don't own a television and someday I'm going to do a big post about how I REALLY HATE THE BEACH. Then I'll have to explain how I can hate the beach yet love music from New Zealand or even Robyn Hitchcock. I've noticed that Drew and I seem to agree about literature, politics and matters of judgement generally, but be polar opposites regarding music. I think I'm going to start avoiding any music Drew recommends. - --- Since they were mentioned, the Stones-- Most people seem to cut off after Some Girls, but I think Emotional Rescue was pretty much of a piece w/ that. - --- Rex - Werewolves of L.A. -- I just heard it on the radio & it stuck in my mind. If I had it I would try to trade it to you for anything containing N. Young/G. Nash's "War Song." - --- The Who tour -- with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker! - --- Books -- Just picked up "Hot and Cold," selected writings of Richard Hell, 2001, 247 pp. I can't imagine I'll read more than half of it, but that should be fun. Contains at least two collaborations w/ Tom Verlain, two w/ Patti Smith. I've never actually read a whole book by Patti Smith, though I've had the chance. - --- I'm enjoying these long discussions, just don't feel I can jump in right now. Ross Taylor "you'll never listen to surf music again" - --Jimi Hendrix, 3rd Stone From the Sun Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #213 ********************************