From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #205 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, June 27 2002 Volume 11 : Number 205 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: a lot of things in the last digest [Michael R Godwin ] SOLARIS Was: lions and tigers and... [Steve Talkowski ] Re:Cardboard "thingies" ["Rex.Broome" ] The Minority Report [The Great Quail ] Re: The Minority Report [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] My Morning Jacket/W. Zevon ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: time takes a cigarette and it won't wait for me ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: time takes a cigarette and it won't wait for me [Brian ] Re: time takes a cigarette and it won't wait for me [gSs ] Capt. Sensible & Robyn (warning: Procol Harum content) ["ross taylor" Subject: Re: a lot of things in the last digest On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, James Dignan wrote: > And don't forget that 1968 single "Aeroplane" by Ian Anderson-led band > 'Jethro Toe'. Oh yes, I've got that one. Yellow label IIRC. Is there anyone here who actually knows about time-space? The last thing I saw on the subject was a Ken Campbell show* where he reminisced about a TV series in which he interviewed famous physicists, and also talked about some deeply crazy people he had known over the years. The point was that the physicists' ideas were far more bizarre than those held by the people who were about to be sectioned ... The barking-maddest concept was that every time a different decision is taken, a new parallel universe splits off. So there must be universes where I chose Whiskas last week instead of Kit e Kat, universes where the cat wasn't sick that night, universes where I got that job as a House of Commons researcher, etc etc. Isn't one universe big enough for these people? - - Mike Godwin * Yes, that Ken Campbell n.p. Paper Sun (strange stereo mix, lead vocals and drums right, sitar and backing vocals left) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:18:31 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: a lot of things in the last digest I love the multiple universes theory - it would create a wide band of universes, each subtly different from its neighbour, so for instance, in the next-door universe, I would have just knocked over this cup of coffee and ruined my computer... go a few universes over, and I don't actually work here, I'm a dustman instead... a few universes further still, and I'm actually a big-brained dinosaur with opposable thumbs. Multiple universes exist apparently, according to some scientific geezer here in Oxford, experimenting with photons and the statistics of chance. He would fire a handful (ie. less than 10) at a sheet of metal with two gaps in it, the photons would travel through the gaps in roughly even amounts. Things got very strange when he fired a single photon at the sheet - photons would appear through both gaps. He concluded the spare photon came from another universe. Did it really? Well, I've absolutely no idea, being next to being completely uneducated... I don't know much about science, but I know what I like..! Personally, I wish I was in the universe where Ken Campbell had decided not to do those fecking car adverts! Cheers, and cheers from another universe! Matt, glad however, that he's not in the spilt coffee universe. >From: Michael R Godwin >Reply-To: Michael R Godwin >To: MutantBikersOnCellPhones >Subject: Re: a lot of things in the last digest >Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:31:15 +0100 (BST) > >On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, James Dignan wrote: > > And don't forget that 1968 single "Aeroplane" by Ian Anderson-led band > > 'Jethro Toe'. > >Oh yes, I've got that one. Yellow label IIRC. > >Is there anyone here who actually knows about time-space? The last thing I >saw on the subject was a Ken Campbell show* where he reminisced about a TV >series in which he interviewed famous physicists, and also talked about >some deeply crazy people he had known over the years. The point was that >the physicists' ideas were far more bizarre than those held by the people >who were about to be sectioned ... > >The barking-maddest concept was that every time a different decision is >taken, a new parallel universe splits off. So there must be universes >where I chose Whiskas last week instead of Kit e Kat, universes where the >cat wasn't sick that night, universes where I got that job as a House of >Commons researcher, etc etc. Isn't one universe big enough for these >people? > > >- Mike Godwin > >* Yes, that Ken Campbell > >n.p. Paper Sun (strange stereo mix, lead vocals and drums right, sitar and >backing vocals left) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:25:27 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: a lot of things in the last digest matt sewell wrote: > > Personally, I wish I was in the universe where Ken Campbell had decided > not to do those fecking car adverts! But you are! You're in infinitely many universes where he didn't. Unfortunately, you are also in infinitely many where he does. Stewart (in one of the infinitely many universes where amazon.ca is about 20% more expensive than amazon.com ... grr) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:47:54 -0700 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: Hideous Heathen Kinky >>>>>>>>>>>From: Steve Talkowski : One wonders how many times you given the "few tracks" a serious listen before stamping them as "shite". Back up your criticism CONSTRUCTIVELY, otherwise, the criticism itself falls into the shite category, k? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since you're wondering, I listened to 2 random tracks twice each and was bored stone shitless that shite was all there was. IT must have infected my otherwise poignant music nerd wankerism (sic) Who says that in order to be good or valid, criticism must be constructive? I feel no need to revisit Bowie's latest hairball anytime soon, but if by chance I run across it, perhaps it will fill out for me on a better sound system. Through the headphones on my computer, the horn kicks and the chintzy doodles sounded thin. Keep in mind I only heard two tracks, both likely were singles. I am happy for your eno-esque universe expansion experience. I hope it holds up on repeat listens. Me: I'll take DD or ZS any day. I *kinda* liked the main and closing credits song he did for Lost Highway, but my positive feelings for the film may have colored my perception. Perhaps Boowee (as George Clinton would pronounce it) has missed his true calling. Can anyone say Labyrinth 2? I think they will need to find a replacement for Ms. Connelly however. She's been in a film with Russell Crowe now, y'know. On an unrelated note: anyone here heard or like the Lilys. I've just been exposed via the album The 3way. It's poppy 60's psychedelia a la Apples in Stereo and Kula Shaker with a side of MBV. They sound an awful lot like the Kinks. ....fun, gets your rump shaking (if you need that sort of thing) but probably not good for much else. Kenneth ************************************ "An enormous conflict between words and deeds is prevalent today: everyone talks about freedom, democracy, justice, human rights, about peace and saving the world from nuclear apocalypse; and at the same time, everyone, more or less, consciously or unconsciously, serves those values and ideals only to the extent necessary to serve himself and his worldly interests, personal interests, group interests, power interests, property interests, and state or great-power interests. . . . So the power structures apparently have no other choice than to sink deeper into this vicious maelstrom, and contemporary people apparently have no other choice than to wait around until the final inhibition drops away. But who should begin? Who should break this vicious circle? Responsibility cannot be preached but only borne, and the only possible place to begin is with oneself." - --Vaclav Havel ************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:47:44 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: SOLARIS Was: lions and tigers and... Funny you should mention this, the remake was just being discussed on a 3d industry list i'm subbed to... http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/solaris/ On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, at 07:16 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > --On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:47:03 -0700 Natalie Jane > wrote: > >> The only film I've walked out on in a theatre was "Solaris." I decided >> to go home and watch some paint dry instead. > > I didn't like it either. Usually I like Tarkovski, but I don't even > really care for the book. To many people Solaris is the pinnacle of > science fiction, but I remain underwhelmed. Maybe I'm not old and > mature enough to appreciate it ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:14:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Hideous Heathen Kinky On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Kenneth Johnson wrote: > On an unrelated note: anyone here heard or like the Lilys. I've just been > exposed via the album The 3way. It's poppy 60's psychedelia a la Apples in > Stereo and Kula Shaker with a side of MBV. They sound an awful lot like the > Kinks. ....fun, gets your rump shaking (if you need that sort of thing) but > probably not good for much else. Now yr talkin - well, except for your last phrase. Lilys (who are really just Kurt Heasley and whoever he can rope into the studio with him) have a rep as a sort of mutating tribute band, style-hopping from one release to the next - but such a description short-sells Heasley's very distinctive melodic and harmonic characteristics. His melodies are very odd but ultimately pleasing, covering quite a range within a song in a sort of Brian Wilson-like fashion (think "God Only Knows"). While he's been on a mid-sixties Kinks fix for the last couple of releases (_The 3 Way_, _Better Can't Make Your Life Better_), the arrangements and structures of the songs are quite different from anything the Kinks did. Going backward, put on _In the Presence of Nothing_ for your MBV fans, tell them it's an ultrarare tape of the follow-up to _Loveless_ that Kevin Shields ditched - and they'll probably be fooled (unless, of course, they know that album). The best record MBV never made. Next was an EP called _A Brief History of Amazing Letdowns_, which found them sounding very mid-nineties American indie-pop, a la Poole, say - unsurprising, since most of that band was playing with him at the time. Actually, my favorite work of Lilys might be _Eccsame the Photon Band_: they don't really sound like anyone else here, Heasley's musical gifts are in full flower, and it's got this sort of haunting feel that I like. I also like the contemporary tracks released on the _Selected_ ep and on the split CD with Aspera Ad Astra. Oh - the British reissue of BCMYLB (with the blue cover) features many tracks almost completely rearranged from the initial release - apparently, Heasley earned enough money from the use of "Nanny in Manhattan" in a VW ad to "complete" the record the way he'd originally heard it in his head. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Being young, carefree, having your whole life ahead of you, ::dancing the night away to celebrate... ::oh, and the untimely death of Jackson Pollock. np: Steely Dan _Citizen Steely Dan_ disc 2 (right now, _Pretzel Logic_) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:32:48 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Re:Cardboard "thingies" Actually, they are called... "Standees". No joke. - -Rex "industry weasel" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:32:16 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: The Minority Report No large spoilers ensue.... Saw 3Minority Report2 last night. Wow. Definitely one of the most visually spectacular movies I have seen in a long time. Brilliantly put together, a film-noir of cool graphite and floating glass. Spielberg simply created a future down to every detail, and then populated it with restless, anxiety-ridden characters, oddballs, and even the occasional moralist. As a big Philip K. Dick fan, I was not at all disappointed I felt it largely kept to the spirit of Dick, even down to the protagonist9s love of classical music and various characters indulging in intellectual discussions about destiny and religion. And the action scenes were riveting; but well-balanced with episodes of genuine emotional intensity. I confess I even felt teary-eyed at some points, all without feeling manipulated. Tom Cruise was fantastic easily one of the best performances of his career. I do have a few criticisms, which take it from an A+ to an A, and they all concern the last half-hour or so, which I feel leans a bit too heavily on thriller clichis. I would have liked the plot to wrap up with as much originality as the rest of the film. I also feel there was too much exposition at times, a problem with Seqor Spielbergo. But with the exception of a few final moments, it lacked any of the mawkishness that plagues his movies this was a pretty dark and unflinching look at the future, and happily one that refrained from editorializing. Again, I just thought some of it was predictable towards the end. But still, what a hell of a movie I spent most of last night dreaming about it, which is always a good sign. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:08:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: The Minority Report On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, The Great Quail wrote: > No large spoilers ensue.... Still haven't seen it, but...it just occurred to me that William H. Macy would make a good, uh, Dick protagonist (gotta be careful w/that phrase around here), probably one of Dick's radio repairmen-type characters... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ np: Franklin Bruno _Kiss without Makeup_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:14:42 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: My Morning Jacket/W. Zevon From Natalie: >>The opening band was My Morning Jacket. I've heard a lot of good things >>about them, but was depressed to discover that they sounded remarkably like >>Lynyrd Skynyrd and were prone to "jamming." Hmmm. I won a copy of their last album off the radio and liked it a good deal, more than the live set they did on the same station. Some of the tunes were really quite touching and I played it a lot more than most freebies. But even I must ask myself how many bands with guys that sound just like Neil Young I can fully embrace... Flaming Lips, Mercury Rev, Giant Sand, My Morning Jacket... there must be a limit! Oh yeah, America. I don't especially like America. James provides: (exhaustive list of Warren Zevon collaborators) ...to which you can add the goup of novelists who provided the lyrics to his new record, which I haven't heard. Anyone? Zevon is awfully underrated in general. When I was a kid I bought a 45 of "Werewolves" which turned out to be some weird, fierce live version where Warren sang it as "Werewolves of Los Angeles" half the time, and screamed "He'll rip your lungs out, Jim/And he's lookin' for... JAMES TAYLOR!!!!" I thought that was mighty cool. I mean, Zevon and Taylor probably hang out and everything, but they're practically antithetical as sobgwriters. Looking forward to Lilo & Stitch... weighing whether or not to take the kid... she made it through Atlantis but she a LOT more mobile these days... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:45:52 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: time takes a cigarette and it won't wait for me At 08:04 AM 6/26/2002 -0500, gSs wrote: >the flow or tempo of a river can vary, like a sequence, but it is still >linear. Only if you're going in a straight line. > if the speed of light is the fastest anything can go, where the >hell can we go? Toledo, Ceti Alpha Prime, the butterfly world, Hyperion, the Foridden Planet, the Amazon Galaxy. Sheesh. The options are almost limitless. Heck, if you can get anywhere NEAR the speed of light, you can go almost anywhere in just a few years "ship time." There's nothing to say that something can't go faster than light, especially if it started out at the velocity in the first place. It's just reaching the speed of light, either by accelerating toward it or slowing down to it, that seems to be impossible. >the decay of the orbit is reduced when the velocity is >increased so theoretically you can put yourself into a kind of slow aging >loop, around the sun maybe, it's cheaper. This might slow your aging from the perspective of someone moving at a much slower velocity than you, but from your point of view, you'd be aging at the same rate. Fifty years to you is fifty years to you, it's just that the rest of the universe outside your rocket-windows would seem to be passing you by rather quickly. It's a great way to see 2534 without paying for a corpsicle chamber, but it don't buy you any extra groove time. >but of course you could never go >back. And if you're from the suburbs, would you really want to? >is velocity the only factor in space? That and ghosts. Outer space is filled with itsy-bitsy ghosts of every creature on every planet that has ever lived, all holding hands and hooves and tentacles and pseudopodia and singing praises to the Phantom King. Get some of these clogged in your flux capacitors, and it's adios hyperspace for thou. Jason "a great bowie thread wasted on a bunch of fucking cartoons" Thornton "Hooray, hang out the flags, Queen Caring is dead. We'll stack body bags, for President Kill instead." --XTC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 17:42:49 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Re: time takes a cigarette and it won't wait for me At Wednesday, 26 June 2002, Jason wrote: >> if the speed of light is the fastest anything can go, where the >>hell can we go? > >Toledo,... Toledo? I've been trying to get outta here for 11+ years! It just keeps sucking me in. Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:17:53 -0400 From: "Mike Runion" Subject: Re: Minority Report Hey all, welcome to my first post in ages... > From: The Great Quail > Subject: Minority Report > > Saw 3Minority Report2 last night. As did I, on a gorgeously rainy Florida evening... > I do have a few criticisms, which take it from an A+ to an A I was hoping to like the film a bit more than I actually did. As with A.I. (which I happen to really like), I felt there were too many endings in this one. And this helped muddy the pace of the whole film, which I thought was near excellent up until shortly after the Room 1006 scene. From then on, it seemed rushed and too concerned with tying up loose ends. I also didn't think it was nearly as bleak as the promoters have made it out to be. I would have preferred a darker ending. I'm gonna give Minority Report a B. Now, let me finish by saying that I rented "Hedwig and the Angry Inch" a few weeks back and was completely rocked by it. It's the first movie I can remember keeping all 5 days and watching multiple times. I've since snagged (and refused to let go) of both the original cast recording and the soundtrack CDs. I know I'm late on this one, but it's a complete masterpiece. If you haven't seen it yet, get it...tonight! I've even worked "Wicked Little Town (Reprise)" into my now infrequent sets (Kool Beanz is no more). A++ See you all, Mike p.s. Dianne and I are sadly calling it quits. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:52:48 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: time takes a cigarette and it won't wait for me On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > Only if you're going in a straight line. linear doesn't mean straight, mathematically. > > if the speed of light is the fastest anything can go, where the > >hell can we go? > > Toledo, Ceti Alpha Prime, the butterfly world, Hyperion, the Foridden > Planet, the Amazon Galaxy. Sheesh. The options are almost > limitless. Heck, if you can get anywhere NEAR the speed of light, you can > go almost anywhere in just a few years "ship time." so if we left today for bernard's star at half the speed of light, when would we get there? > >the decay of the orbit is reduced when the velocity is > >increased so theoretically you can put yourself into a kind of slow aging > >loop, around the sun maybe, it's cheaper. > > This might slow your aging from the perspective of someone moving at a much > slower velocity than you, but from your point of view, you'd be aging at > the same rate. if you could travel as fast as light, communication would be complicated. > >is velocity the only factor in space? > > That and ghosts. Outer space is filled with itsy-bitsy ghosts of every > creature on every planet that has ever lived, all holding hands and hooves > and tentacles and pseudopodia and singing praises to the Phantom King. Get > some of these clogged in your flux capacitors, and it's adios hyperspace > for thou. isn't that the stuff star shit and we eat? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:26:49 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: time takes a cigarette and it won't wait for me Matt: > Multiple universes exist apparently, according to some scientific geezer > here in Oxford, experimenting with photons and the statistics of chance. > He would fire a handful (ie. less than 10) at a sheet of metal with two > gaps in it, the photons would travel through the gaps in roughly even > amounts. IIRC that is a variation on Feynman's classic experiment to explain quantum behavior, but it's been a long time. Most of the math was rather over my head anyway, though I did relate quite well to Schrodinger's attempts to describe the uncertainty of atomic-scale behavior by using cats, poison vials, and a box. Must have hated cats like I do. > Things got very strange when he fired a single photon at the > sheet - photons would appear through both gaps. He concluded the spare > photon came from another universe. Hopefully one with better and less expensive coffee. Jason: > This might slow your aging from the perspective of someone moving at a much > slower velocity than you, but from your point of view, you'd be aging at > the same rate. You know, this is *exactly* what going to a Dave Matthews Band concert is like. Michael "science is hard" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:43:15 -0400 From: R Edward Poole Subject: Bush-ish to End All Bush-isms Well, probably not. And I'm mis-using the term "Bush-ism," for the following quote contains no mangled vocabulary, spoonerisms, freudian slips, or incoherent grammar. However, it does pretty much sum up his worldview in a sound bite. You don't even need to be a radical leftist to enjoy (in a wincing kinda way) the unabashed, Coolidge-esque love poem to to the men (white men, natch) that purchased good ole' dubya's office for him (indeed, even this fuzzy-headed liberal Democrat (with a big "D") laughed so loud that he woke up the baby after reading) this: "The good news," [Bush] said, "is most corporate leaders in America are good, honest, open people who care deeply about shareholders and employees." [George W. Bush, speaking June 26, 2002 at _ regarding the "accounting scandals" (a.k.a. "colossal crimes that have ruined countless lives") at WorldCom, Enron, Global (Double-)Crossing, Tyco, Qwest, Aldelphia and others). Awww, what a sweet image. These virtuous heroes and titans of industry, marching forth on their crusades to increase society's aggregate wealth through their tireless pursuit of profits, to the good of all mankind, as the bountiful blessings of the free market shower down indiscriminately, benefiting the poor and the rich alike, lifting all boats evenly, while setting the stage for the eradication of all hunger, disease, racism, sexism, injustice and, gosh darnit, all unhappiness wherever experienced, as we sail into Gene Roddenberry's future society. My favorite part of this is Bush's complete refusal to acknowledge that the abuses he is decrying are not failures of capitalism, but glorious examples thereof. (I doubt he has the intellect, but even if he did, he's been trained all his life to have an enormous blind-spot about such issues, so there's just no way he could see the world this way.) With a stock market like the US has experienced for the last decade (not so much the last year, but...), it would be a shocking breakdown of the capitalist system for there NOT to be widespread frauds such as these. The profits at stake are so enormous that, at any given moment, at least some portion of market participants must be testing empirically the cost/benefit calculation involved in knowingly committing these practices: if the risk of getting caught is less than an absolute certainty, even a slight opportunity to capture such enormous profits is worth pursuing. That's a true functioning market, no matter that few "true believers" would dare admit it. (Law & economics types like Richard Posner would probably embrace this position, then go on ranting for a couple of hours why the very existence of the SEC and any regulations on corporate practices in the first place are inherently inefficient -- and, therefore, inherently less desirable than the fabled free market. After all, didn't Enron's stockholders get really really rich before the government stepped in and by the very act (actually, a threat is usually sufficient) of enforcing the law, burst the bubble and brought the company crashing down? feh. sorry for the rant. I feel better, tho. oh, and please let's not start calling each other names now that I've mentioned a political issue, because I'll feel really really guilty for setting a match to that fire, and it would be nice to believe that I can safely vent my frustration to an unusually intelligent and thoughtful cross-section of humanity, whose views I respect (even if I sometimes fail to demonstrate that respect) and whose opinions I value. see how I tried to diffuse the anger with all the mushiness there? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:34:55 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Capt. Sensible & Robyn (warning: Procol Harum content) Someone very kindly traded me the 1st two Capt. Sensible solo records, for which Robyn co-wrote many of the songs (& played some guitar & chatted between tracks). The 1st one was something of a holy grail for me, a fan of Robyn & Procol Harum, since it's probably the only record to involve both. According to the Procol site, Matthew Fisher (organist for Whiter Shade of Pale etc. plus producer of Salty Dog album) is credited with "weird engineering" on Women and Captains First. He is also supposed to have played uncredited organ on the Captain's b-side "Our Souls To You" & may have played keyboards on the last song of WACF, "Croydon" (Fisher, like Sensible, grew up in Croydon). Apparently there is also an interview where Sensible speaks warmly of Fisher. The keyboard part is definitely a parody of "Whiter Shade of Pale," but instead of sounding like medieval soul music, it sounds like a seasick graduation march. The Croydon single sleave even had Sensible framed in a life preserver, but looking much more out of control & ready to party than Procol's Salty Dog. (The flip side was called "Jimi Hendrix's Strat." Hendrix jammed w/ Procol a few times. Oh, fan theories are fun.) Below is my stab at the lyrics to Croydon, apparently co-written by Hitchcock. It starts w/ Uncle Captain singing a tentative acappella version of the 1st verse as if trying it out, then cracking up on the words "my peculiar way." He may just be laughing at his own joke, but it's nice to think it's an early reading of Robyn's words & he's laughing at Robyn's joke. At any rate, it's interesting to think of RH contributing words to (or writing them all?) a personal, "autobiographical" song for someone else. If anyone knows the song or can offer better guesses for some of the weird lyrics in question please speak up -- but I listened carefully & some of the weirdness is definitely there. - --- Croydon - --Sensible/Hitchcock I attended Stanley Tech in South Norwood Hill I think it was, oh yeah where the bronze bust was nicked let me think, it must've been in my third year lying in wait outside Virgo for Bayliss [?] and the Lady Edredge Manner School I worked at the Fairfield Halls cleaning toilets, but I understood some day I'd be back in my own right giving concerts in my own peculiar way (laughter) but I kept my rabbit back at home and I cleaned it every other day (other day, other day, other day) and now the time has come to say farewell Tup with your sardines [?] and the tv set that I bought and now the time has come to say farewell mom to your baked beans and the proper Dons I never knew [?][Wimbledon natives? Footballers?] I'll be in Los Angeles where the famous people never quite get old yeah, in Los Angeles where they're all to rich to even feel the cold but I'll still be dreaming of you Croyden especially in the cold and rain (cold and rain, cold and rain, cold and rain) and now the time has come to say I'll be leaving Croyden way to the lovely town I once knew and now the time has come to say I'll be back another day saying sunnily [?], what a day what a day what a day what a day what a day - --- Ross "thanks for the trade" Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #205 ********************************