From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #204 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, June 26 2002 Volume 11 : Number 204 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Irrelevant subject heading ["No Name" ] Re: Irrelevant subject heading ["FS Thomas" ] GBV! GBV! GBV! ["Natalie Jane" ] This is the story of Johnny Spud ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: time waits for something [gSs ] Re: This is the story of Johnny Spud [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Cardboard "thingies" Was: bowie waits for ornery new yorkers [Steve Talk] Re: Cardboard "thingies" Was: bowie waits for ornery new yorkers [Ken We] Re: bowie waits for ornery new yorkers [steve ] Re: bowie waits for ornery new yorkers [steve ] Re: time takes a cigarette and puts it in your mouth... ["matt sewell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:22:57 +0000 From: "No Name" Subject: Irrelevant subject heading Bayard: >On a completely separate note, can anyone tell me why kazaa >still works if they've supposedly lost their suit? Jeme? Or why Morpheus seems to be down? Kay "Your hair is reminiscent of a digesting yak." Surrealist compliment generator. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:33:43 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Re: Irrelevant subject heading > Bayard: > >On a completely separate note, can anyone tell me why kazaa > >still works if they've supposedly lost their suit? Jeme? > > Or why Morpheus seems to be down? They're all sucking wind, it would seem. LimeWire's still working, though (and very reliable, I've found.) - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:52:12 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: GBV! GBV! GBV! Another show review... no Thoths this time, either... "Bob was just in here earlier, buying records," said the guy at the record store where I bought my GBV ticket. "He was really excited about playing here. GBV loves Portland." Why this should be, I do not know, but they did put on a good show. It was at the Crystal Ballroom, where the floor bounces. My friend Alex, whom I browbeat into going with me, said that when he saw Stereolab there, the floor actually bounced from the sheer volume of their sound. The GBV show was all-ages, so the beer-drinkers were separated from the area in front of the stage by a barrier, which meant no beer-throwing like last time. (The beer-throwing thing still puzzles me. I'd think GBV fans would want to drink it, not throw it.) This also meant there weren't many people in front of the stage. Unfortunately I didn't take advantage of this fact right away, and the first half hour or so of GBV's set I spent jockeying for a position where I could actually see. It's so frustrating when you finally find a good spot, only to have some 6'3" meathead step in front of you. Tall guys, please take note. For a little while, as I made my way towards the front, I found myself standing next to a guy who, in profile, looked EXACTLY like a young Robyn. It was genuinely uncanny. But then I saw him full-face and he didn't look like Robyn at all. Weird. The opening band was My Morning Jacket. I've heard a lot of good things about them, but was depressed to discover that they sounded remarkably like Lynyrd Skynyrd and were prone to "jamming." This is one band where it would actually be *appropriate* to yell "Freebird!" during their set. They had lots of hair, which they tossed around inordinately. In fact, they were the hairiest band I've ever seen on stage. At least they weren't outright horrible, unlike Creeper Lagoon who opened for GBV last year. As with the previous GBV show I attended, Richard Meltzer came out and recited some . . . err . . . "poetry," for want of a better word. It was horrible, but I think it was meant to be horrible. But if so, what's the point? People were pretty polite to him this time - nobody threw anything at him and there was little heckling. Alex heckled him by saying something like, "Your poems aren't very interesting!" and I chastised him for being too wordy. Fortunately Meltzer's "poems" were all very short. Then GBV made their appearance. The imperious, unsmiling Bob Pollard was already a sheet or two to the wind, judging by his difficulty in keeping his balance. His voluminous shirt - which he must've found in a thrift-store, as it said "Technology Services" over one pocket and was personalized "Bob" over the other - presumably hid a sizable beer gut. You can't expect to drink countless gallons of beer for years on end and not suffer the consequences. I caught a glimpse of the gut itself later and it was indeed quite impressive. His cohort Doug Gillard probably should not have grown his hair out that long, since he is going bald, but it didn't look too bad. I think he's quite handsome, with a serious, gaunt sort of face. The other guitarist had an aging baby-face and lots of tattoos, the bassist looked like Droopy Dog, and the drummer was bald and kept mopping his head off with a towel. They started off by playing almost all of their new album, "Universal Truths and Cycles" - which, due to the faux-Roman album cover, will probably be spelled "Vniversal Trvths and Cycles" by the same people who spell "Nonsuch" as "Nonsvch." I bought this album a few days ago, when it came out - it's really good, and they played the best tracks off of it. The crowd received the new songs with mild enthusiasm, except for the fanboys up front who knew all the words ALREADY. These people, by the way, were pretty sad. They kept doing weird male bonding shit like jumping up and down with their arms around each other, and screaming lyrics in each other's faces. Also, there seems to be some custom of supplying Bob with cigarettes and lights throughout the show, and nothing could be more pathetic than one guy who kept waving a cigarette in Bob's direction, desperately hoping to be noticed. At least they were all having a good time. The band seemed to be having a good time, too. Bob only did a few of his patented karate kicks - possibly because of drunkenness or because of a back injury he suffered a while back - but he did whirl the microphone a lot, and I discovered how he manages to catch it: he pulls the cord so it goes back into his hand easily. Cheater. He did miss and toss it over his shoulder once, though. And of course he drank lots of beer - sometimes flipping the bottle up in the air and catching it (not always successfully) before he opened it. But the guitarist and bassist seemed to be having an even better time. They had animated chats with each other in between songs, the guitarist fed the bassist from a bottle of Jack Daniels, and at one point I saw them kiss each other on the lips. I don't know whether this was a gay kiss or a "I'm so drunk that I have become secure in my heterosexuality and damn, I love you, man" sort of kiss. It was pretty cool nevertheless. So the "plug the new album" part of the show ended, and Bob announced, "This one is called 'Game of Pricks'" (an old favorite, for those unwise in the ways of GBV). The crowd went BERSERK. People were dancing like crazy, singing along, the aforementioned male-bonding stuff started up, everyone was totally into it, including me. All this enthusiasm struck me as incredibly strange - to be at a show where people are obviously and raucously enjoying themselves. I wish it would happen more often - or maybe I should be going to different shows. This level of berserk-dom kept up for pretty much the rest of the show, except when they played *really* old stuff or solo material. There was much, much less of the latter at this show than there was last time. The reason for this became clear when Bob called old-school Portland musician guy Chris Slusarenko on stage and announced that he had drawn up the set list. They performed "Buzzards and Dreadful Crows" together. I was happy to hear that one, and I was also happy to hear "our only hit, it's called 'Hit,'" "My Valuable Hunting Knife," "The Official Ironmen Rally Song" and the silly but damn catchy "Glad Girls." Speaking of glad girls, the weirdest part of the show (besides a male underpants-tossing incident) was when a girl in a sequinned top and a dog leash wrapped around her neck got up on stage and started doing a slow-motion gyration. She whispered in Bob's ear and he "dipped" her (I'm surprised he didn't drop her). The security guy turned up and Bob, ever the gentleman, urged him to go easy on her. I'm not sure whether she was a groupie or an attention-seeker or both. I'd like to think Bob wouldn't try to fuck a girl who was young enough to be his daughter, but then, I'm an optimist. So when the band left prior to the encore, I knew that they had at least another 45 minutes left in them, and that it was time to leave. I sought out Alex - who, as befits a person of the taller persuasion, was standing towards the back - and we took off. As we drove by the Crystal Ballroom, we could hear Bob's voice echoing onto Burnside St. - "ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR -" It was a most salubrious sound. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:50:15 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: This is the story of Johnny Spud Brian sez: >>where are the Nu Metal bands doing '77 punk? Hmmm... Well, "Blank Generation"' has made it this far without a rap break containing the words "all this pain inside", so maybe we will escape. Michael: >>Guess who play bass and drums on Warren Zevon's "Werewolves of London"? We got that covered, but please note: the guitar was played by Waddy "I-produced-the-Church-and-then-got-busted-for-kiddie-porn" Wachtel. Inarresting character. >>"When Pigs Fly (Songs You Never Thought You'd Hear)" >>Ohio--DEVO This one actually makes sense-- Devo went to Kent State, and there is a Devo/Neil Young connection. He nicked the phrase "rust never sleeps" from them, they were in his film "Human Highway", and apparently recorded the first version of "Hey Hey My My" with him... sorry, just finished the Neil bio... Album copy typos: I'm sure many of you have CD's by the 13th Floor "Elevaters" or Echo & the "Bunymen". I sure do. - -the Broomking ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:03:49 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: This is the story of Johnny Spud on 6/25/02 9:50 AM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > Michael: >>> Guess who play bass and drums on Warren Zevon's "Werewolves of London"? > > We got that covered, but please note: the guitar was played by Waddy > "I-produced-the-Church-and-then-got-busted-for-kiddie-porn" Wachtel. > Inarresting character. More info please. Waddy's been one of those guys I've seen everywhere, probably because he's so easy to spot. When did he get busted? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:49:24 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: time waits for something On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, matt sewell wrote: > Tell that to Einstein, Greg! > > time is linear. space is relative. time has a start and an end and is made mostly up of recurrent blocks, like a midi sequence. you can't go back to any time previous, but you can toss a bad sundae. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:36:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: This is the story of Johnny Spud On Tue, 25 Jun 2002, Rex.Broome wrote: > >>"When Pigs Fly (Songs You Never Thought You'd Hear)" > >>Ohio--DEVO > > This one actually makes sense-- Devo went to Kent State, and there is a > Devo/Neil Young connection. He nicked the phrase "rust never sleeps" from > them, they were in his film "Human Highway", and apparently recorded the > first version of "Hey Hey My My" with him... sorry, just finished the Neil > bio... Plus, I've always thought Devo's "Wonderful World" sounded a lot like a Neil Young song - or at least, I could hear Neil covering it in my head. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Some see things as they are, and say "Why?" ::Some see things as they could be, and say "Why not?" ::Some see things that aren't there, and say "Huh?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:54:10 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: that old cassette box in the garage... So I couldn't find that Motorhead tape I was looking for tonight...but I did find Wang Chung's "Points on the Curve," "Quartet" from Ultravox, and The Alarm's "Electric Folklore Live." Whoa. I am like, SO '80's. Michael "well, really '60's and '70's, but who's counting" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:22:23 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: bowie waits for ornery new yorkers On Thursday, June 20, 2002, at 11:10 AM, Kenneth Johnson wrote: >> David Bowie, Heathen: excellent. >> >> ...HUH? > > huh? indeed. like waitsdylansexappealetc this may be purely a matter > of taste and I will freely admit that Bowie from the 80s on has done > next to nothing for me, but the few tracks from his new "effort" that I > had listened to online came off as utter shite. reminded me of the > worst of Never Let Me Down. HUH? I beg to differ. Wait, I don't need to beg - the album IS quite excellent. I thoroughly enjoyed "Hours" and hear many influences from that on Heathen, however, the moody atmospheres are what gets me excited about listening to this album nonstop since picking it up a week ago. Tell me the first track, "Sunday", doesn't just pull you into another universe - it conjures all sorts of visuals for me. It's like the album is book-ended by Philip Glass inspired compositions. Alternatively, "Sunday" would fit perfectly in a David Lynch film. One wonders how many times you given the "few tracks" a serious listen before stamping them as "shite". Back up your criticism CONSTRUCTIVELY, otherwise, the criticism itself falls into the shite category, k? Catching a ride on a Gemini Spaceship, - -Steve P.S. "Lilo & Stitch" is a wonderful breath of fresh air after that debacle that was "Atlantis". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:36:39 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: a lot of things in the last digest >Also on a related theme. Zappa did Ruben and the Jets, XTC did 25 >O'clock/Psionic Psunspot, so where are the Nu Metal bands doing '77 punk or >the drum and bass or garage act doing Disco? Ok so Jamiroquai did disco, but >under their own name and insufficient fun. Aren't the Replicants made up of various grungers and the like? Their self-titled album is worthy of note. And perhaps the recent spate of tribute albums for the forgotten and cheesy has removed some of the need for these pseudo-acts away (If I were a Carpenter, Abbasalutely, and the like). That and the habit of throwing a nod to your influences with samples (e.g. that track with the sample of "Are friends electric?" that seems to be everywhere at the moment). >Of course I >remember him when he was the Hot Chestnut Man on b/w TV. He came on >pushing a hot chestnut barrow and told little stories >Untitled photo of him as HCM in the tribute at: > > >Last seen in a coffin on local telly with his zoo-keeper's hat laid on top >of the walnut lid. Sad! didn't realise he was gawn. A shame. I still have some scratchy old 45s of him reading Rev. Awdry's Railway stories. >PS Guess who play bass and drums on Warren Zevon's "Werewolves of London"? Heh. Is one of them very tall? And were they in a band with the backing vocalists on WZ's "Mohammad's Radio", off his neglected gem self-titled album? Actually... man, but Zevon worked with a helluva crowd on that album: Phil Everly, David Lindley, JD Souther, Jackson Browne, Jorge Calderon, Glenn Frey, Don Henley, Lindsey Buckingham, Stevie Nicks, Bonnie Raitt, and Carl Wilson, to name a few. Come to think of it, he's worked with big names throughout his career - Jennifer Warnes, Tony Levin, Bob Dylan, Linda Ronstadt, Neil Young, Jack Casady, Jerry Garcia, Chick Corea, David Gilmour, plus Buck, Mills, Berry and Stipe. >Jim Bowen? Bob Holness? -- oh no, wait, he played sax on "Baker St". trainspottingly, I'd have to say that was Raphael Ravenscroft (also known for the sax to vox segue on Pink Floyd's "The final cut" >> I have a Chinese copy of the Nirvana--Unplugged in New York album that >among >> other typos lists "About a Girl" as "Abort a Girl". Really. Marc > >I'll throw in an import compiliation of early hits by someone named "Sammy >Haggar." And don't forget that 1968 single "Aeroplane" by Ian Anderson-led band 'Jethro Toe'. >Oddly enough, I haven't attended a public celebration of >"la fight nationale" since the time the crowd followed >up this song with a rousing chant of "Christ de bloke, Christ >de bloke, Christ de bloke...". Some love-fest! Christ de Bloke? Isn't he that Irish git who sang "Lady in red"? James PS - belated happy birthday to the transplanted Canadian Scot! James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:31:03 -0400 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: bowie waits for ornery new yorkers Steve Talkowski wrote: > P.S. "Lilo & Stitch" is a wonderful breath of fresh air after that > debacle that was "Atlantis". Damn straight. It's been years since they made a movie that a) doesn't have a grand five-minute showtune-for-kiddies extravaganza and b) felt like a real Disney movie. I'm not sure why it is, but as far as I'm concerned, Warner Bros. did Emperor's New Groove on a good day. They traded it for Road to El Dorado and, I think, got the better of the deal. I think it's some sort of experiment to see how much style is an influence vs. brand name (and Don Bluth did Tarzan and Oliver & Company on a bad day. I'm not sure who did Aristocats. Probably F.H.E. or one of those other direct-to-video types. Pocohontas just sort of sprung up directly from the earth wherein it should have stayed buried.) Anyhow, see Lilo & Stitch. Ignore the "Stitch doesn't fit in" marketing campaign*. And the promotional toys. And the Happy Meals. Lilo and Nani are now my two second-favourite Disney characters after Scrooge McDuck. *: Except, of course for the art. Still looks pretty. And, of course, for the come-hither look that Princess Jasmine seems to be casting at him in a few of those cardboard stand-up promotional thingies that they put in theatres. They've got a word for them, I know. It's still late. Hrm, anyhow. - -- Terrence Marks http://www.unlikeminerva.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:43:58 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: bowie waits for ornery new yorkers On Tue, Jun 25, 2002, Terrence Marks wrote: > And, of course, for the come-hither look that Princess Jasmine seems > to be casting at him in a few of those cardboard stand-up > promotional thingies that they put in theatres. They've got a word > for them, I know. It's still late. Hrm, anyhow. Yes, they are called "cardboard stand-up promotional thingies". - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:50:34 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Cardboard "thingies" Was: bowie waits for ornery new yorkers On Tuesday, June 25, 2002, at 10:43 PM, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Tue, Jun 25, 2002, Terrence Marks wrote: >> And, of course, for the come-hither look that Princess Jasmine seems >> to be casting at him in a few of those cardboard stand-up >> promotional thingies that they put in theatres. They've got a word >> for them, I know. It's still late. Hrm, anyhow. > > Yes, they are called "cardboard stand-up promotional thingies". And they sure have changed with the times. Did you catch those gorgeous, full-size Sully and Mike statues (with REAL Monster Fur) during "Monster's Inc"? I just recently saw a life-size, 3-dimensional Spirit display while catching Minority Report on Sunday. Next "must-see" on my list based on the incredible new trailer - Stuart Little 2. SPI (Sony Pictures Imageworks) did a bang-up job on the fur, which totally rivals ours on "Ice Age" and even Sully's in "Monster's Inc." The action sequences look much better than the first one, i'm really excited to see it. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:53:02 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Cardboard "thingies" Was: bowie waits for ornery new yorkers On Tue, Jun 25, 2002, Steve Talkowski wrote: > And they sure have changed with the times. Did you catch those > gorgeous, full-size Sully and Mike statues (with REAL Monster Fur) > during "Monster's Inc"? I just recently saw a life-size, 3-dimensional > Spirit display while catching Minority Report on Sunday. They sure have changed. They have gotten so life-like. You should check out the one I have in my room. Woops. I didn't say that. No one saw nothin'. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:38:50 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: bowie waits for ornery new yorkers On Tuesday, June 25, 2002, at 09:31 PM, Terrence Marks wrote: > Anyhow, see Lilo & Stitch. Ignore the "Stitch doesn't fit in" marketing > campaign*. And the promotional toys. But don't you want one of these? http://cgi.ebay.com/disney/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1744030502 - - Steve __________ "Miyazaki's latest animation feature (co-winner with 'Bloody Sunday' of the Berlin Golden Bear) more than justifies his status as Japan's most revered culture hero. What starts out as a fine example of the through-the-looking- glass kids' adventure genre becomes almost Shakespearean in its lyricism, breadth of vision and humanity." - Tony Rayns, Sight & Sound ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 23:38:56 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: bowie waits for ornery new yorkers On Tuesday, June 25, 2002, at 09:22 PM, Steve Talkowski wrote: > P.S. "Lilo & Stitch" is a wonderful breath of fresh air after that > debacle that was "Atlantis". But it looks like Treasure Planet puts them right back in the ditch. Back from seeing L&S a second time, and that damn Country Bears trailer for the fourth. And blast Disney for no Spirited Away trailer! Standees - Steve __________ The Bush administration repealed a rule this week that would have allowed government agencies to refuse federal contracts to companies that do not comply with labor, environmental and consumer-protection laws. - Neil Irwin, Washington Post, 12/28/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:43:12 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: time takes a cigarette and puts it in your mouth... Hmm... not sure about that one, either... as I understand it, the speed of time is relative to the speed you're travelling in space, therefore time flows at different speeds depending on where and when you are, so is more like a river than a midi sequence (not sure how much like rivers midi sequences are...). On the subject of a bad sundae being tossed, I'm not sure I understand your banter... Cheers Matt >From: gSs >On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, matt sewell wrote: > > Tell that to Einstein, Greg! > > > time is linear. space is relative. > >time has a start and an end and is made mostly up of recurrent blocks, >like a midi sequence. you can't go back to any time previous, but you >can toss a bad sundae. > >gSs - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:16:06 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: lions and tigers and... - --On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:47:03 -0700 Natalie Jane wrote: > The only film I've walked out on in a theatre was "Solaris." I decided > to go home and watch some paint dry instead. I didn't like it either. Usually I like Tarkovski, but I don't even really care for the book. To many people Solaris is the pinnacle of science fiction, but I remain underwhelmed. Maybe I'm not old and mature enough to appreciate it ;-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Being just contaminates the void - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:47:37 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: bowie waits for ornery new yorkers On Wednesday, June 26, 2002, at 12:38 AM, steve wrote: > But don't you want one of these? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/disney/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1744030502 heh, no thanks. However, we were drooling over these yesterday at work: http://cgi.ebay.com/disney/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1744020798 http://cgi.ebay.com/disney/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1744040616 http://cgi.ebay.com/disney/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1744044015 http://cgi.ebay.com/disney/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1744033076 http://cgi.ebay.com/disney/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1744035677 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:43:51 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: a lot of things in the last digest James Dignan wrote: > > trainspottingly, I'd have to say that was Raphael Ravenscroft (also known > for the sax to vox segue on Pink Floyd's "The final cut" yeah, but there was that attempt to have the Bob Holness bit be accepted as an urban myth. > PS - belated happy birthday to the transplanted Canadian Scot! Thanks! We ate pizza!! Stewart - -- Gandalf Graphics Limited, Markham, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:04:53 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: time takes a cigarette and it won't wait for me On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, matt sewell wrote: > Hmm... not sure about that one, either... as I understand it, the speed > of time is relative to the speed you're travelling in space, therefore > time flows at different speeds depending on where and when you are, so is > more like a river than a midi sequence (not sure how much like rivers > midi sequences are...). the flow or tempo of a river can vary, like a sequence, but it is still linear. if the speed of light is the fastest anything can go, where the hell can we go? the decay of the orbit is reduced when the velocity is increased so theoretically you can put yourself into a kind of slow aging loop, around the sun maybe, it's cheaper. but of course you could never go back. is velocity the only factor in space? > On the subject of a bad sundae being tossed, I'm not sure I understand > your banter... you can't actually undo the fact that you ate the sundae but you can toss it up. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:22:08 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Minority Report No spoilers ensue.... Saw 3Minority Report2 last night. Wow. Definitely one of the most visually spectacular movies I have seen in a long time. Brilliantly put together, a film-noir of cool graphite and floating glass. Spielberg simply created a future down to every detail, and then populated it with restless, anxiety-ridden characters, oddballs, and even the occasional moralist. As a big Philip K. Dick fan, I was not at all disappointed I felt it largely kept to the spirit of Dick, even down to the protagonist9s love of classical music and various characters indulging in intellectual discussions about destiny and religion. And the action scenes were riveting; but well-balanced with episodes of genuine emotional intensity. I confess I even felt teary-eyed at some points, all without feeling manipulated. Tom Cruise was fantastic easily one of the best performances of his career. I do have a few criticisms, which take it from an A+ to an A, and they all concern the last half-hour or so, which I feel leans a bit too heavily on thriller clichis. I would have liked the plot to wrap up with as much originality as the rest of the film. I also feel there was too much exposition at times, a problem with Seqor Spielbergo. But with the exception of a few final moments, it lacked any of the mawkishness that plagues his movies this was a pretty dark and unflinching look at the future, and happily one that refrained from editorializing. Again, I just thought some of it was predictable towards the end. But still, what a hell of a movie I spent most of last night dreaming about it, which is always a good sign. - --Q ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.TheModernWord.com "Doubts of all things earthly, and intuitions of some things heavenly; this combination makes neither believer nor infidel, but makes a man who regards them both with an equal eye." --Herman Melville, "Moby Dick" ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #204 ********************************