From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #198 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 11 : Number 198 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Peeing in Hyperspace ["Jason R. Thornton" ] And the evening and the morning were the first day [glen uber ] Re: Stwars! [Stewart Russell ] Re: And the evening and the morning were the first day ["Jason R. Thornto] Re: Red Wings, Red Wings win the Stanley Cup [Ken Weingold ] Re: lions and tigers and... ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Remakes au go-go [rosso@videotron.ca] The Kimberley Rew CD! [rosso@videotron.ca] begun, this flame war has ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: begun, this flame war has [Jason Thornton ] Re: psortsmaniax/SWarts [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Intestinal Oxidative Therapy [dmw ] Re: RIP again [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Down at the Station ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: lions and tigers and... ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: begun, this flame war has [mary ] Re: spanking the clowns with surgical steel precision [gSs ] Re: Peeing in Hyperspace [Stewart Russell ] Re: Canada [Michael R Godwin ] Re[2]: Peeing in Hyperspace [noe shalev ] Re: begun, this flame war has [Miles Goosens ] NewsFlash: Microsoft goes OpenSource, [gSs ] Re: Legend [Miles Goosens ] telnet [bayard ] librarian notes ["ross taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:54:50 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Peeing in Hyperspace At 11:43 AM 6/18/2002 -0700, Rex.Broome wrote: >One could ask the same thing of Luke's trip to unlisted Dagobah. Funny >thing about hyperspace... the duration of the trip is proportional to the >amount of exposition the characters on the ship need to unload. You know, one thing that does bug me about Luke's journey to see Yoda is that it seems as if he spends a good chunk of time on Dagobah training. But, at the same time, the amount of time between everyone's departure from that ice planet Hoth to the point where Luke comes to 'rescue' his buddies at Lando's city in the clouds doesn't seem very long at all from Han and Leia's perspective. Maybe about a day or so. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:01:08 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: And the evening and the morning were the first day Jason earnestly scribbled: >You know, one thing that does bug me about Luke's journey to see Yoda is >that it seems as if he spends a good chunk of time on Dagobah >training. But, at the same time, the amount of time between everyone's >departure from that ice planet Hoth to the point where Luke comes to >'rescue' his buddies at Lando's city in the clouds doesn't seem very long >at all from Han and Leia's perspective. Maybe about a day or so. Time is relative. Or did you misread Einstein? - -- Cheers! - -g- "Start your own revolution and cut out the middle man." - --Billy Bragg glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:02:47 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: RE: Red Wings, Red Wings win the Stanley Cup At 07:23 PM 6/17/2002 -0700, Jeff Dwarf wrote: >i hate when I hit send accidentally...but isn't there such a thing as a >Dolphinfish? Yes. More commonly known as Mahi Mahi, at least in restaurants, where something called "dolphin" might not sell as well. Like "baby cow" parmesan. Boy, do I miss that wonderful smell I acquired while working in a seafood restaurant those summers in college... - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:14:34 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: lions and tigers and... I know a few 17-18 yr old gals and the hottie this year was Legolas (sp?) the elf from TLOTR e On Tuesday, June 18, 2002, at 08:43 AM, Natalie Jane wrote: >> There was also alot a goofyness. It was strongest in the first movie >> >and has lessened with each new installment. > > Whenever someone claims that the old Star Wars sucked as much as the > new ones, I always remember the classic exchange... Leia: "I love > you!" Solo (smugly): "I know." > > Han Solo was my first crush. Not Harrison Ford - Han Solo. I can't > imagine any little girls getting crushes on the current lot. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:11:29 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Stwars! Jason R. Thornton wrote: > > Bah! They're both making reference to the loveable shape-shifting > armless white Saturday morning cartoon blob, the Shmoo. from Li'l Abner, surely? The New Shmoo was a 70s thing that sucked so bad it died after half a series. Stewart (mozilla rocks almost as much as the super wide heliar.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:56:28 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: And the evening and the morning were the first day At 02:01 PM 6/18/2002 -0700, glen uber wrote: > >You know, one thing that does bug me about Luke's journey to see Yoda is > >that it seems as if he spends a good chunk of time on Dagobah > >training. But, at the same time, the amount of time between everyone's > >departure from that ice planet Hoth to the point where Luke comes to > >'rescue' his buddies at Lando's city in the clouds doesn't seem very long > >at all from Han and Leia's perspective. Maybe about a day or so. > >Time is relative. Or did you misread Einstein? Right. The one time Lucas pays attention to Einstein, or science at all, is when there's a major plot flaw, or at least a big inconsistency. I considered that, but everything else in Star Wars seems to occur "at the same instant," and time seems to pass for everybody at the same rate, as if the galactic society were all sharing the same frame of reference. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:19:26 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Red Wings, Red Wings win the Stanley Cup On Tue, Jun 18, 2002, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > Yes. More commonly known as Mahi Mahi, at least in restaurants, where > something called "dolphin" might not sell as well. Like "baby cow" > parmesan. I didn't know they made parmesan out of baby cows! And any way you slice it, the Mahi Mahi/Dolphion Fish is one of the fugliest you'll ever see. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:42:27 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Remakes au go-go >>I really, really like "Kingdom" "The Kingdom" does indeed rule; in my mind it gived Lars a pass for some of his lamer stuff. But watch out-- Stephen King is developing an American TV version of it that's sure to suck. (Don't think it made the fall schedule, could be wrong). Also, how do ya like that "dogma doctrine" scam Lars got going, and then never once really adhered to the rules himself? To me that 's entertainment. >>The only film I've walked out on in a theatre was "Solaris." I decided to go home and watch some paint dry instead. Hey, this one's getting remade, too, by Stephen Soderberg, with George Clooney (of course). Never saw the original version, although the book was fairly okay. Slim little volume on which to base a long film. Okay, off of Star Wars but still in Hollywood... baby steps... Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:04:06 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: lions and tigers and... >From: "Natalie Jane" >Subject: lions and tigers and... >Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:43:37 -0700 >Whenever someone claims that the old Star Wars sucked as much as the new >ones, I always remember the classic exchange... Leia: "I love you!" Solo >(smugly): "I know." I believe the Ford Line you quoted was improvised, I could be wrong. Was it the first film that contained woeful line "wonderful girl, either I'm going to kill her or I'm beginning to like her"? I think this is much more in line with the weakness for dialogue that exists in the first and second episode. I really do think if the first film came out today it would get a lukewarm(pun intended)critical reaction. That said, it does have a certain atmosphere and fun quotient missing from the first two episodes. I do like the second episode and even the first(a tiny bit). I tend to view sci-fi films with heaping helpings of my willing suspense of disbelief. It is much much too easy to pick them apart. Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:15:46 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Remakes au go-go Man, have I ever fallen behind in my email! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:29:09 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: The Kimberley Rew CD! Ralph Alfonso says that we Canadians can buy the Rew CD for $12 Canadian! What a relief! It costs us $1.55 or so for every US dollar, but neither local prices nor salaries reflect that. Whinge... I sure wish Robyn would do that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: begun, this flame war has Well, not really. I just hated that stupid line. > From: Christopher Gross > (BTW, do the clones have their brains modified > to eliminate > free will, or is it just indoctrinated out of them?) Did they say they had no free will? I wasn't sure if it was that, or just that they were bred not to be ornery self-interested bounty hunter types like Jango. (Jeez, why bother cloning a bounty hunter at all, then?) > - -Weakest action sequence: the high-altitude car chase. > This left me > completely unexcited. Best action sequence: the > climactic battle and > subsequent light-saber duels. Hmmm...I thought they were all about equal, really. The climactic battle was too chaotic for me to care, and the duels were too short. > - -The name Shmi Skywalker is a clear Jhonen Vasquez > reference. That seems unlikely, but I like the idea. > - -The young Uncle Owen looks like Bayard's friend Matt. The young Uncle Owen was hot. Maybe Matt is, too, I dunno. > From: "Natalie Jane" > > Whenever someone claims that the old Star Wars sucked as > much as the new > ones, I always remember the classic exchange... Leia: "I > love you!" Solo > (smugly): "I know." It wasn't that smug, actually. It was noticeably unsmug. I wish it had been more smug, but I settled for sincere and understated. I'm sure I'm forgetting having walked out of another movie, but the only one I remember is Scorsese's "The Age of Innocence." I did think it sucked ass (but then I didn't like the source material and I loathe Daniel Day-Lewis), but the main reason I walked out was that we were late for a stage show that was cancelled because one of our techies fell two stories from the ceiling after a crane thingy fell over. He didn't break anything, amazingly. > From: "Jason R. Thornton" > The Jedi way is in all actuality the "unrealistic" path, > devoid of any real > human emotion - repressed are things like sexuality (they > aren't allowed to > marry or have girlfriends) and family ties (as Eddie > noted, it seems > they're expected to completely remove themselves from the > lives of their > loved ones). Surely this is mainly about casting the Jedi as warrior monks, seeking transcendence through freedom from desire and attachment. I think this aspect makes sense on a variety of levels, though the way it's portrayed in the films is ham-fisted and dull. I won't go so far as to say it's a translation of Zen, Buddhist, or Hindu ideas, but I think any psychoanalysis of Lucas or his movies based on this element would have to take into account at least a layman's misunderstanding of those religions. > Also, the Jedis are paired off into a "best friends" > buddy system, like > grade schoolers. I never did that in grade school, but I was occasionally taught by a higher kyu student in my aikido dojo. > Not to mention, the Jedi outfit is markedly similar to a > robe worn over > pajamas, Or a martial arts dogi. Maybe I'm taking you too seriously at this point. > (it was even done to impress an "icky" girl) I never went through that stage of my childhood, incidentally. There were some girls chasing me I didn't want to kiss and some I did, of course, but there was never any doubt that I wanted to chase them. Drew ===== - -- Andrew D. Simchik, adsimchik@yahoo.com Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:23:41 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: begun, this flame war has On Tuesday, June 18, 2002, at 04:36 PM, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: >> Not to mention, the Jedi outfit is markedly similar to a >> robe worn over >> pajamas, > > Or a martial arts dogi. Maybe I'm taking you too > seriously at this point. Heh heh. No, that post wasn't really intended to be taken seriously at all... except maybe for the part about Til Tuesday. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:19:56 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: psortsmaniax/SWarts >And boy it's hard watching my home team (Chicago Fire) with its three top >players gone to the National Team. Last week's game was atrocious, but it's >easier to bear up when we're doing so well over there. my local team (Caversham) just got disqualified from the quarter finals of the Chatham Cup (FA Cup equivalent) for fielding an ineligible player. Talk about dumb. >There's been a case made recently that the Fetts and the clones are "Latino >stereotypes" and the fact that they live on Kamino (as in "El Camino") is >supposedly evidence of that! Pretty funny. They looked and sounded like a >buncha Kiwis to me! hm. having not seen the film I'm not sure whether or not to be insulted. However, Kamino is a viable Maori word. The nearest one I know is kaumingo, which means 'chaotic or confused' - which sounds like a good description of the recent SW movies. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:07:01 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Intestinal Oxidative Therapy On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, victorian squid wrote: > I had to choose from what was available at that particular multiplex at > that particular time. I figure it was a good deal less of a waste than us too -- it was almost a coin flip between "boy" and "ya-ya sisterhood," both books i liked that i thought would not translate well to film. > Well, I didn't dislike it as much as you apparently did. I thought it > was a bit manipulative but an enjoyable enough two hours. The main thing i didn't *dislike* it -- i agree with your "enjoyable enough two hours" -- it made me chuckle a few times. but i hardly consider that a ringing endorsement. > of the screenplay). Also I liked the kid who played Marcus. He didn't > look the way I pictured him from the book but his mannerisms and such > were dead on. me too. what eyebrows! - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:36:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: RIP again Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Fritz Walter, captain of Germany's 1954 world champion team at 81. Legendary American Sportscaster Jack Buck, 77. Best known as _the_ voice of the St. Louis Cardinals since forever. also father of the inexecrably awful Fox Sports announcer Joe Buck, who we'll now be subjected to as the anchor of Fox's #1 NFL announcing team this fall. > South Korea - Italy 2:1 - can you believe that? > > This has got to be the tournament with the weirdest results. With > Italy, > France, Argentina and Uruguay there are now 4 former world champions > out. wow, this really could be the year the US wins. well, okay not really. ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:47:58 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: Down at the Station >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) >I bet you have a whole collection of O.S.Nock and H.C.Casserly books. The >main part of the GC ran from Nottingham to Quainton Road (near Aylesbury). >My parents almost bought an old railway station that served the GC line >somewhere around the Brackley area as a home back in the early 1970s >(unfortunately, they were out-bid). > >James Sarah's parents live at an old station on the GC line about 10 miles from Brackley :) brian _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:44:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: lions and tigers and... > I tend to view sci-fi films with heaping helpings of my willing suspense of > disbelief. It is much much too easy to pick them apart. True, but at some level you expect consistency with physical laws, continuity, common sense...I don't hold SW (space fantasy) to the same standard that I hold Star Trek or other sci fi, but I do expect the makers of SW films to not push my disbelief suspension to far. For example, even if I had trained for 40 years with Yoda in the ways of the force and have a high midichlorion count, I am not going to be able to drop 50 odd feet with piano wire wrapped around my wrists and still have hands, like Obi Wan does on Kamino. Or, I may be highly motivated by my Jedi beliefs, but I still won't rashly risk my life by jumping out of my air car with the goal of landing on my enemy's air car 500 feet below. A little more common sense please, Mr. Lucas! Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:04:27 -0400 From: mary Subject: Re: begun, this flame war has Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > - -The young Uncle Owen looks like Bayard's friend Matt. > >The young Uncle Owen was hot. Maybe Matt is, too, I >dunno. For those of you with the Trio network on cable, you can see "uncle Owen" on "The Secret Life of Us" - an import from Australia. http://www.triotv.com/secretlife/will.html Eleanore wrote: >I know a few 17-18 yr old gals and the hottie this year was Legolas (sp?) >the elf from TLOTR I'm a bit older than the 17-18 range and I thought he was hot. But did anyone catch him on the MTV movie awards? I have no idea what was up with that look - a cravat and the out of control hair? I think his best look was the mohawk he sported on the LoTR's special on Fox. Chris wrote: >-The name Shmi Skywalker is a clear Jhonen Vasquez reference. (Schmee >is Squee's teddy bear in JV's comics Johnny the Homicidal Maniac and >Squee.) Because I am a Jhonen worshipper, I thought the same thing. If only the Jedi had fought Invader Zim and Gir in the final battle scene, the outcome may have been different. s.Mary np - Enon, "Believo!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:08:08 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: spanking the clowns with surgical steel precision On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, anubis wrote: > I finally got around to hearing Tom Waits' Mule Variations. I liked > about half of it and gritted my teeth through the other half. > I think it's safe to say I'm not a budding Waits user. isn't that what they all say after the first couple bumps? readdress in a year, then you'll know. the teeth grind is quite normal. also, a. franken reminds me of e. tews. and tgq reminds me of john candy, so maybe it's not so weird. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:14:58 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Peeing in Hyperspace that reminds me, they pee along side the rode in canada. i stopped once to ask if he needed help. i didn't know what the hell he was doing. man, that was a mistake. people in canada seem uneasy about roadside assistance, except for the really old loggers and they just wanna talk about canada in 1931. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:45:02 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Peeing in Hyperspace gSs wrote: > > that reminds me, they pee along side the rode in canada. Facing away, or towards? I noticed the latter was pretty common in rural Japan. Anyway, who are "they"? We are they to them, remember ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:48:53 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Canada On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, gSs wrote: > people in canada seem uneasy about roadside assistance, except > for the really old loggers and they just wanna talk about canada in 1931. That Mackenzie King was a very interesting bloke. There's a book of ghost stories by Robertson Davies where he talks at great length about (a) Mackenzie King and (b) faults in solid-fuel heating systems. It's called something like "Murther and walking spirits". I'm sure you'd find it fascinating (: - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:53:43 -0800 From: noe shalev Subject: Re[2]: Peeing in Hyperspace unce upon a time, Wednesday, June 19, 2002, Stewart typed this: Stewart Russell> Anyway, who are "they"? We are they to them, remember ... I remember a film called Avanti, an american film about a man who travel to Italy to collect is deceased dads body. at arival to Italyhe cannot realy communicate with the passport checking officer and conclude the copnversation saying somthing like: "oh you bloody foriegners" those things always remind me Zappas 'ugly on the side", yet i think when you refer to other group you should call them they just as much as they would call your group members - they. noe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:13:52 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: begun, this flame war has At 09:04 AM 6/19/2002 -0400, mary wrote: >Eleanore wrote: > >>I know a few 17-18 yr old gals and the hottie this year was Legolas (sp?) >>the elf from TLOTR > >I'm a bit older than the 17-18 range and I thought he was hot. Melissa (also a bit older than the 17-18 range) thought he was hot too, and she rarely comments on men's looks. >But did >anyone catch him on the MTV movie awards? I have no idea what was up with >that look - a cravat and the out of control hair? I thought they explained it -- he was on the set of NED KELLY (1870s, bank robbing, Australia, etc.). Explains the cravat, anyway. Melissa thought he was hot in that look too. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:29:44 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: St. Wars Just saw Attack o Clones on the night after seeing Spiderman. It did make Spidy look like Dostoevsky (he might have some relation to Notes from Underground), but I thought the visuals were great. I may not be a CGIophile & I don't get out to see things in theaters enuf, but I loved the settings & machines & critters. Those two callow kids can't act worth shit & in general it would have been better if they'd dubbed it into some unintelligible made-up language (but then I would have missed Anakin telling the Princess "you're the opposite of beach sand"). Figuring out the "politics" etc. was not worth the trouble, it was like a parody of Dune or Phillip Pullman. I enjoyed the traffic chase, tho I was aware of it's relation to The Sixth Element (and The French Connection), but I thought the factory scene was chaotic & dumb. Interesting how much they went in for refs to other movies -- Robocop (spinning the gun into the holster), The Sound of Music (Princes dancing thru the fields), Chicken Run (terror on the assembly line), El Norte (kid mourning his Dad's severed head) etc. Amazing! Or not. I did think the female alien on Camino was perhaps the sexiest non-human I've seen since Jessica Rabbit. My only criticism of Spiderman is that the emphasis on "no matter what you do, they'll criticize you" sounded pretty Republican. But the special effects *meant* something, & everyone on screen acted up a storm. - --- Walking out of movies -- I ran screaming from a few movies as a kid, but haven't ever walked out. I did almost walk out of Manikin, even tho the "theater" was four miles up over the Atlantic. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:41:04 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: NewsFlash: Microsoft goes OpenSource, someday. until then we have things like mozilla.org. it rocks. i'm 11 beers and 10 bong hits from making it my mail client. it's a shame i can't party at work. get it or be cursed like the rest. On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > Facing away, or towards? I noticed the latter was pretty common in rural > Japan. Facing away from the road, mostly. > Anyway, who are "they"? We are they to them, remember ... sssh, you know.... themmmm..... you are just like them to us. aren't you? gSs sin city, emmylou harris and beck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:36:21 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Legend At 10:31 PM 6/17/2002 -0500, steve wrote: >On Monday, June 17, 2002, at 09:53 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > >> Actually, I just posted the following to Loud-Fans before reading >> this. Apologies to dual citizens for the repeat. The short version is >> that I like the director's cut much better with one exception (listed >> below), though both versions of the films still have the flaws of >> intrusively anachronistic goblin and elf dialogue and, worse, Cruise's >> inexplicable pantslessness. Anyway... > > >I wonder if the director's cut is the legendary European Version? The user reviews at Amazon.com lead me to believe that the new "Director's Cut" is closer to the European version than the U.S. one, but not identical. I think one of them even mentioned that the European version had some material that's neither in the U.S. version nor the Director's Cut, so it sounds like there's actually *three* versions of the film now. (I haven't made my way through all the bonus material, so maybe Ridley Scott addresses this somewhere -- there is some deleted material, so maybe everything LEGEND is on the two DVDs. I'll let you know if/when I take a closer look.) >Amazon and I thank you guys for the information, although I turned down >their generous offer to buy Willow in a package deal (even though >Miles's second reason for purchase might apply). Substituting "Joanne Whalley" for "Mia Sara," right? later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:21:38 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: telnet Can someone recommend a good telnet client for windows (xp)? please email me privatelike... - -- http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:04:18 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: librarian notes On the negative side, again re. Attack of the Colons, the librarian in that film may have been eons in the future, but she was still from the 1950s. "If we don't have it, it doesn't exist" indeed. She probably wears sensible shoes. On the positive side, K. Rew's track titled "Philip Larkin." In that connection I'll reproduce from memory what may be Larkin's most famous poem, which may have some connection to the song. I like to preface it w/ saying it's by a British librarian of the 1950s so people will think they are about to get something subdued: THIS BE THE VERSE They fuck you up, your mum and dad, they may not mean to but they do. They give you all the faults they had and something extra just for you. But they were fucked up in their turn by fools in old style hats and coats who half the time were soppy stern and half and at one another's throats. Man hands on misery to man, it deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can and don't have any kids yourself. - --- Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #198 ********************************