From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #196 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, June 18 2002 Volume 11 : Number 196 Today's Subjects: ----------------- A missed, delayed REAP [The Great Quail ] MP3 request ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] how do you want your eggs? Unfertilized. ["Natalie Jane" ] Fight the Power: CD "copy protection" class action lawsuit ["Poole, R. Ed] Re: new kimberley rew album [Michael R Godwin ] Beep, Beep, Finger ["Voodoo Ergonomics" ] Re: MIDI/audio help [rosso@videotron.ca] Stwars! [bayard ] RE: MIDI/audio help ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: Red Wings, Red Wings win the Stanley Cup [Jeff Dwarf ] Buy Kimberley for 12 U.S. dollars [steve ] Re: sportsmaniax [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: sportsmaniax [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: sportsmaniax [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Stwars! ["Jonathan Fetter" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:02:27 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: A missed, delayed REAP I didn9t see this here... But a few weeks ago, SF writer George Alec Effinger died. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4417709,00.html Sadly, - --Q ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.TheModernWord.com "Book! you lie there; the fact is, you books must know your places. You'll do to give us the bare words and facts, but we come in to supply the thoughts." --Herman Melville, "Moby Dick" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:25:41 -0700 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: MP3 request Can some one send me an mp3s of Wafflehead? I need it to me smaller than 5MB to receive it. Thanks! =20 Jason Brown MSWeb Best Bets http://msw/=20 =20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:48:51 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: how do you want your eggs? Unfertilized. >See, this is why I'm lucky I don't have the refined tastes of an >audiophile. Yeah, me too. And records aren't ruined for me because of the production. Not often, anyway - "Oranges and Lemons's" plastic sound still grates, and I wish John Darnielle from the Mountain Goats would record on something other than a boombox. But for the most part... (re. fish eggs) >There's a Dan Clowes graphic novel (Velvet Glove, Iron, something >like >that) that makes this image very vivid. It's deeply disturbing. "Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron," with Tina the fish girl. That was incredibly creepy. I can't even read most of that, it's too disturbing. Clowes said it was comprised of various nightmares he had following a bitter divorce. Speaking of Clowes, the latest issue of "Eightball" (I think it's the latest) is amazing - brilliant and intricate and carefully constructed, with the usual terrific artwork. It's comprised of 29 very short stories revolving around the kidnapping of a little boy in a small town called Ice Haven. It's the most perfect use of the comic book form I've seen for a long time. I highly recommend it. (re. Star Wars) >One of the things I loved about the original films >was that the technology looked _used_. I got a big laugh when the little torture ball was advancing on the captive Princess Leia, with all sorts of ominous implements sticking out of it - including obstetric forceps. Tee hee! >Another name that doesn't make much sense is Arizona Cardinals. As >far as >I know -- and the resident ornithologists will have to confirm >this -- >cardinals don't live in Arizona. Just priests and bishops? n. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:46:39 +0000 From: "Glow Rose" Subject: Inner spacey Ken: >I think I have found God Was it the bad pun or the Andy Griffith bible study that did it? - -------------------- Andrewbis: >One of the things I loved about the original films was that the technology looked _used_. Agreed, agreed. It had a seedy appeal that made alot of sense in the 70s. There was also alot a goofyness. It was strongest in the first movie and has lessened with each new installment. And I want the cheesy special effects back too. - ----------------- Woj, thanks as ever for the pertinent Soft Boys info. Good interview(and Segelman likes Smokey ...!)(Suddenly, in her mind, are the Soft Boys in sharkskin suits, doin those cool synchronized dance moves and harmanizing in some great Motowny way)(Hmmmm--just my imaginataion, running way again... sigh) Did Matthew grow up in Holland? Or is he referring to Amsterdam's role as the party capital of Europe in the 70s? Love the idea of a third side. Thats so like, cosmic, man:-) - ------------------- Kay "Your hair is reminiscent of a digesting yak." Surrealist compliment generator. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:05:52 -0400 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: Fight the Power: CD "copy protection" class action lawsuit I'm happy to note that the anticipated class action lawsuit over the defective "copy protected" "CDs" (not really CDs, as Phillips points out, because they do not conform to the Red Book standard) has arrived: http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0206/17.protection.php Not to pat myself on the back too much, but it appears that the legal claims are basically the same as I predicted back on March 1, 2002: I think the interesting question (to me, anyway) is whether the recording industry is perpetrating a fraud on consumers by selling a product which they know the public will believe to convey the same license as in the past (i.e. a normal CD), but which is actually a severely limited license, compared to the public's expectations. The fact that at least some manufacturers include some explanation or disclaimer on the packaging is of little or no consequence. Under consumer protection statutes, the public is entitled to clear, explicit, and obvious (i.e., large bold print) notice. The way I see it, the recording industry is intentionally misleading the public -- if not peddling an outright lie -- with these restricted discs. They should be forced to place large bold lettering on every cover saying: "ATTENTION: THIS COMPACT DISC IS UNFIT FOR USE WITH COMPUTER CD-ROM DRIVES, DVD-ROM DRIVES, AND CONSUMER DVD PLAYERS. THE DATA CONTAINED ON THIS DISC MAY NOT BE COPIED OR MODIFIED IN ANY WAY, NOR MAY THE AUDIO FILES BE TRANSFERRED TO ANY OTHER DIGITAL MEDIA STORAGE DEVICE, SUCH AS COMPUTER HARD DRIVES OR DIGITAL MEDIA STORAGE/PLAYBACK DEVICES (e.g. MP3 PLAYERS)." 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To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:41:44 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: new kimberley rew album On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, guapo stick wrote: > i'll just pass along those details for y'all... > http://www.bongobeat.com/greatcentrev.php > Kimberley Rew: Great Central Revisited > Available in stores: July 2nd, 2002 Well, I hate to get all anoraky about this, but there's only one Great Central, and it's the railway which crazed genius Sir Edward Watkin put together in the 1890s from the old Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire, but with a London extension built to the _Continental_ loading gauge so that trains could travel through a channel tunnel direct from Manchester to Paris. I hadn't realised that Kim was a fan. Needless to say Dr Beeching closed the GC main line down in the sixties so that it was unavailable when the chunnel finally got built. AFAIK there are only two of J G Robinson's excellent GC locos still extant, the well-known 'Butler-Henderson' and the less famous but equally effective freight 2-8-0 (LNER Class O4). There's a detailed history and ropey pic of Butler-Henderson here: and a much better pic here: - - Mike "Great Central obsessed? Moi?" Godwin PS In 1922, Robinson was offered the CME's job with the LNER, but he turned it down, so they appointed Gresley instead: Just think how history would have changed if Robinson had accepted! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:37:03 -0700 From: "Voodoo Ergonomics" Subject: Beep, Beep, Finger heh, what i'd *really* love to see would be an account of your attempting to get lucas to sign off on these theories. that could be the Roger & Me of the '00s! except that according to Empire Strikes Back, yoda trained obi-wan. that might be the only reason to take notice of episode three: to see if lucas commits an enormous continuity gaffe to screen. like, padme is killed before becoming impregnated with the little vader runts. or, the plans to the death star are destroyed. or something. the local seattle media liked it okay (and i guess i assumed that so too did the national). hell, The Stranger even ran a pro & con; the "con" arguing that it's good if flawed, and the pro arguing that anybody finding fault with it is an asshole. he's not allowed even one two-week holiday in ten years? or to send a hologram message? no wonder he turned to the dark side! well, in a galaxy wherein a twelve-year-old can be elected queen, i suppose a bastard-child princess isn't such a terrible stretch. i concede the point. if true, then it wouldn't matter that he succumbed to the dark side. and he wouldn't have been chosen by palpatine to be his right-hand man. and he surely wouldn't have been able to off obi-wan and then to off luke's hand. anyway, while it *would* explain the sobbing like a bitch and the schlubbiness, it wouldn't explain him not being trained by yoda. then why would he risk getting them killed in the collosseum? and why wouldn't obi-wan have intuited his sincerity? i concede the point. (with the proviso that it seems the jedis' heads are ALWAYS stuck up their arses.) <> the jedi (if not the politicians) have no ethical concerns over >using the clones as fucking cannon fodder? because the jedi are an allegory for the catholic church.> i concede the point. well, if there *was* a down-payment, palpatine would had to have embezzled the funds, and then have kept that fact hidden for ten years. (a possibility, though as we have seen with watergate, iran-contra, enron, et al. (and will one day see with 9/11), shit flows downstream.) anyway, the real issue here is why did neither contracting party feel any need whatever to keep in (at the least occasional) contact with the other? hey, maybe that's why i *am* such a moody little prick: i grew up in seattle. i concede the point! the movie is brutal, but i think the contrast makes the musical numbers all the more exhilirating. in conjunction with South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut, Dancer In The Dark may be marking a renaissance of the american musical. but the reason i queued up for the DVD was for the commentary tracks, which didn't in the least disappoint. choreographer vince paterson's commentary is especially illuminating. and von trier is...well, you've just got to love lars, really. meanwhile, this is the funniest thing i've read in many, many moons. i swear to god it caused me to incapacitate myself with laughter on no fewer than four occasions. . _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:27:01 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: MIDI/audio help On 17 Jun 2002 at 16:03, noe shalev wrote: > or am I just misunderstanding your question... Yes, you are. I have a regular audio file, not MIDI. I want to detect the precise BPM rate of the beat in this audio file so I can make some MIDI music that's in sync with it. I have some audio/MIDI multitrackers that can record audio and put MIDI on top of it, but I don't see any way to figure out just what the beat of that audio is. There are programs that can figure out what note is being played in an audio file and (sometimes correctly) build a MIDI representation of the performance, but I can't seem to find anything to detect the beat. Help! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:16:04 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Stwars! On Mon, 17 Jun 2002, Voodoo Ergonomics wrote: > except that according to Empire Strikes Back, yoda trained obi-wan. that > might be the only reason to take notice of episode three: to see if lucas > commits an enormous continuity gaffe to screen. This is perhaps the most common criticism in terms of continuity. remember though that yoda trains everyone first, when they start out. (though that would be a slam on luke, if obi wan is saying luke at ~20 is like he was at five! but i suppose yoda handles the schooling until the teenage years perhaps, and luke IS a whiny baby...) > will be, but that's in the older, better movies....> > > if true, then it wouldn't matter that he succumbed to the dark side. and he > wouldn't have been chosen by palpatine to be his right-hand man. and he > surely wouldn't have been able to off obi-wan and then to off luke's hand. remember that luke foolhardily faced vader before finishing his training. > <> the jedi (if not the politicians) have no ethical concerns over > >using the clones as fucking cannon fodder? not using them so as much as *designing* them to be - aside from Boba, it seems they are made without free will. But at least they can aim, unlike their later incarnations as stormtroopers. > because the jedi are an allegory for the catholic church.> hmmm, what does that say about free will? all this apologism aside, the film really bummed me out too. the audience i was with laughed more than at any comedy i've been to in a while - at all the wrong parts! Though I agree Quail, the Fetts were cool. According to starwars.com, Boba actually survived his stay in the Sarlacc. In case you didn't know! =b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:42:08 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: MIDI/audio help > There are programs that can figure out what note is being played > in an audio file and (sometimes correctly) build a MIDI > representation of the performance, but I can't seem to find anything > to detect the beat. You don't mention in your first message which version of Cakewalk you're using but newer versions (Sonar 1 and 2, and Pro Audio 9, maybe even earlier) have a function called Extract Timing that does exactly what you're talking about. Search the Help docs for Extract Timing and see if that works for you. There are 3rd party apps that do this as well but I don't have any experience with them. Here's one that looks a bit like a toy but it might work. http://djmixpro.com/bpmwizard/bpmwizard.html Good luck! +brian in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:15:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: Red Wings, Red Wings win the Stanley Cup glen uber wrote: > Another name that doesn't make much sense is Arizona Cardinals. As > far as I know -- and the resident ornithologists will have to confirm > this -- cardinals don't live in Arizona. as opposed to the large lion population in the greater Detroit area? I remember when the Cardinals first moved to Phoenix reading something where someone was upset because as the Phoenix Cardinals (as they were then called), their moniker contained two birds. > Oh, one more thing: the next sportscaster who refers to the Dolphins > as "The Fish" is gonna get one of my feet up his ignorant, marine > biology-challenged ass. ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:19:38 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: sportsmaniax >Another name that doesn't make much sense is Arizona Cardinals. As far as >I know -- and the resident ornithologists will have to confirm this -- >cardinals don't live in Arizona. perhaps it's something to do with the church - any guys in strange red robes wandering around Tucson? >Oh, one more thing: the next sportscaster who refers to the Dolphins as >"The Fish" is gonna get one of my feet up his ignorant, marine biology- >challenged ass. well, perhaps he's talking about dolphin fish, which are, funnily enough, fish (as opposed to dolphins, which a friend of mine has tried to tell me are adult porpoises. Snh) James PS: Well done the US, even if O'Brien obviously went to the Maradona school of dubious soccer tactics! And commiserations to the Belgians, who fought their hearts out only to meet a goalkeeper playing out of his skin nf - nothing. It's cold, it's wet, it's sleety - I wouldn't send a flag out on a day like this James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:23:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: Red Wings, Red Wings win the Stanley Cup - --- Jeff Dwarf wrote: > glen uber wrote: > > Another name that doesn't make much sense is Arizona Cardinals. As > > far as I know -- and the resident ornithologists will have to > confirm > > this -- cardinals don't live in Arizona. > > as opposed to the large lion population in the greater Detroit area? > I > remember when the Cardinals first moved to Phoenix reading something > where someone was upset because as the Phoenix Cardinals (as they > were > then called), their moniker contained two birds. > > > > Oh, one more thing: the next sportscaster who refers to the > Dolphins > > as "The Fish" is gonna get one of my feet up his ignorant, marine > > biology-challenged ass. i hate when I hit send accidentally...but isn't there such a thing as a Dolphinfish? not that it isn't clearly a Dolphin Dolphin on the side of the helmets.... ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:31:37 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: Legend On Monday, June 17, 2002, at 09:53 AM, Miles Goosens wrote: > Actually, I just posted the following to Loud-Fans before reading > this. Apologies to dual citizens for the repeat. The short version is > that I like the director's cut much better with one exception (listed > below), though both versions of the films still have the flaws of > intrusively anachronistic goblin and elf dialogue and, worse, Cruise's > inexplicable pantslessness. Anyway... I wonder if the director's cut is the legendary European Version? Amazon and I thank you guys for the information, although I turned down their generous offer to buy Willow in a package deal (even though Miles's second reason for purchase might apply). I treated (?) myself to happymeals for lunch and dinner today and came away with a hula dancing Lilo and a head bobbing Stitch, and it's good to learn that the directors have paid a slight homage to The Master by having Lilo's big sister Nani apply for a job at Kiki's Coffee House. Those with QuickTime and a while to download can find a nice interview with Miyazaki at these sites (jonathan.mov) - ftp://ac-chan.serveftp.org/jonathan.mov-link.mov http://homepage.mac.com/jimclover/FileSharing9.html The file at mac.com is binhexed. On another pop culture note, the audio book of Neil Gaiman's Coraline should be in your local stores. It's unabridged and 3 hours long and features original music by The Gothic Archies, although I can't tell you how much. - - Steve __________ I know that it's cynical, but I feel that civil liberties-for a lot of these people in Congress-are either an inconvenience or a campaign slogan. They care only about money and power. - Wil Wheaton ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:46:04 -0500 From: steve Subject: Buy Kimberley for 12 U.S. dollars > The new Kimberley Rew cd, "Great Central Revisited" is now > available on my indie label, Bongobeat. Digipak, 16 pages. > All colour. Beautiful. $12, includes postage. All details at > my website: Http://www.bongobeat.com > > Click on the bongobeat logo & then click on Kimberley's cd cover. > I accept PAYPAL. > > Official release date is July 2. Guest musicians include Robyn > Hitchcock & Dave Mattacks plus Vince de la Cruz (his Waves bandmate) > plays bass throughout. > > Only available in Canada. Working on UK distribution. No USA > distribution at the moment altho it is being solicited to various import > companies. I can sell direct to stores if you will pay upfront. > > My friendship with Kim goes back to me signing Katrina & The Waves > to Attic Records way back in 1983 (THOSE two lps will be on cd next > January). > Kimberley is the Soft Boys lead guitarist and ex-Katrina & The Waves > (he wrote > "Walking On Sunshine"). > > Sorry for the sales blurb, but I figured this would be of interest to > some folks. > > Ralph Alfonso > > Dig that crazy Bongo Beat! > Visit my web site > Http://www.bongobeat.com - - Steve __________ Members of the Christ Community Church in Alamogordo, N.M., burned Harry Potter books, Star Wars items and works by Shakespeare and J.R.R. Tolkien, USA Today reported. Pastor Jack Brock called the Potter books "a masterpiece of satanic deception [that teaches] children how they can get into witchcraft." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:06:39 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: sportsmaniax - --On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 14:19:38 +1200 James Dignan wrote: > PS: Well done the US, even if O'Brien obviously went to the Maradona > school of dubious soccer tactics! And commiserations to the Belgians, who > fought their hearts out only to meet a goalkeeper playing out of his skin Please elaborate. I didn't see a single second of yesterday's matches... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Being just contaminates the void - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:29:37 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: sportsmaniax >--On Tuesday, June 18, 2002 14:19:38 +1200 James Dignan > wrote: > >> PS: Well done the US, even if O'Brien obviously went to the Maradona >> school of dubious soccer tactics! And commiserations to the Belgians, who >> fought their hearts out only to meet a goalkeeper playing out of his skin > >Please elaborate. I didn't see a single second of yesterday's matches... Mexico's appeals for a penalty were turned down when it was clear from replays that the US defender punched the ball away from the goalmouth. Belgium had the best of the first hour of their match against Brazil, and they would have scored several times if not for some marvelous work by Brazil's keeper Marcos. It took two individual efforts from Rivaldo and Ronaldo to beat the Belgian keeper late in the game. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:49:59 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: sportsmaniax On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, James Dignan wrote: > Belgium had the best of the first hour of their match against Brazil, > and they would have scored several times if not for some marvelous > work by Brazil's keeper Marcos. It took two individual efforts from > Rivaldo and Ronaldo to beat the Belgian keeper late in the game. I was under the impression that Belgique/Belgie did score once, but the goal was disallowed for some untenable reason. I shall still be amazed if Brazil don't win against England. > nf - nothing. It's cold, it's wet, it's sleety - I wouldn't send a flag out > on a day like this OK, I've got two flag-related questions: a) What does the inscription on the Brazilian globe mean? b) When I was on hols, there were loads of Catalan and Provencal flags being displayed. Both red and gold stripes, but vertical in one case (Catalonia, IIRC) and diagonal in the other. Why are these 2 flags so similar? - - Mike Godwin PS quick quiz Q: who scored in every round of the 1970 World Cup? (Lots more fax'n'info like this at ) PPS Apologies for lack of cedilla! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:40:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: Stwars! well, if there *was* a down-payment, palpatine would had to have embezzled the funds, and then have kept that fact hidden for ten years. (a possibility, though as we have seen with watergate, iran-contra, enron, et al. (and will one day see with 9/11), shit flows downstream.) anyway, the real issue here is why did neither contracting party feel any need whatever to keep in (at the least occasional) contact with the other? There was no down payment, or at least no complete down payment. The aliens on Camino (who comes up with these names?)apparently can't afford to put any kind of roofing over their landing decks (unlike the rest of the galaxy excluding Tatooine), so whoever lands there gets entirely soaked. Poor Obi Wan and Fett Sr. Additionally, how long a trip is it for Obi Wan to travel from the capitol planet to Camino, a planet so remote that it can be taken off the star charts and no one notices? I'm just wondering, because I don't think Obi Wan's spaceship had a bathroom, standing room, or even one of those little dorm-room fridges. Maybe he just meditates while he travels and uses Jedi bladder- tricks... > all this apologism aside, the film really bummed me out too. the audience > i was with laughed more than at any comedy i've been to in a while - at > all the wrong parts! Though I agree Quail, the Fetts were > cool. According to starwars.com, Boba actually survived his stay in the > Sarlacc. In case you didn't know! The Fetts are always cool. Jon Fetter ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #196 ********************************