From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #191 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, June 13 2002 Volume 11 : Number 191 Today's Subjects: ----------------- the best defense ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] First chords [glen uber ] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [JH3 ] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [gSs ] guided by voices not robyn ["*twofangs.rand*" ] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: crispy beatles [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Required Feg Reading [Tom Clark ] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [Eleanore Adams ] How many Fegs does it take to play guitar ... ["Glow Rose" ] Re: crispy beatles [Mike Swedene ] Re: How many Fegs does it take to play soccer... [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: How many Fegs does it take to play soccer... [Christopher Gross ] Re: How many Fegs does it take to roll runes ... [gSs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: the best defense > From: FS Thomas > Overt 'sensitivity' and an aversion to offend is going > to get us in far more trouble than it will ever > prevent. Oh, I don't know -- my aversion to offend fegs is keeping me from wasting lots of time telling you in detail what I think of your line of argument and in particular this idea that security failures occur because the FBI are afraid of seeming un-PC. Eet ees to lawf. > It's an easy line to draw in the sand. Male 18-35, > possibly Middle Easter, definately Muslim = possible > threat. > > Is it profiling? Yep. Pure and simple. Is it a > reasonable, affordable, and--most > importantly--effective method of security? Yes Sir. Bwa ha ha. I wonder how many men in this country fit this description, and how "affordable" it would be to investigate them all? I'm not sure referring to them as "Islamicists" (a Bushism?) would be terribly effective, either; "Muslims" might get fewer blank stares. > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > They may be fanatics, but they're not stupid. Well, that part is debatable. I might be willing to argue that fanatics are stupid by nature. Drew ===== - -- Andrew D. Simchik, adsimchik@yahoo.com Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:02:07 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: First chords ross earnestly scribbled: >Learning to play guitar --- >1st verse: "I'm so glad" & repeat >2nd verse: "Dunno what to do" & repeat > >"No Expectations" brought in my third chord, A. I'd like to offer first some recollections and then some advise on learning to play the guitar. My first instrument was trumpet, which I started playing when I was 8. When I was in 6th grade (11 y.o.?) I began teaching myself to play piano. By the time I was 14, I could not only play piano with two hands at the same time, but also bass guitar (The fact of the matter is, I only knew the Barney Miller theme and Gimme Some Lovin'). Because there was always a glut of trumpet players in band, I learned french horn (which I played in 7th grade), baritone & trombone (both of which I played in 8th grade) and tuba/sousaphone (which I played in 9th grade). I again played baritone in 10th grade and alternated between trumpet and sousaphone in 11th and 12th grades. At 15, I, along with my best friend, Steve, decided to form a band. We flipped a coin to see which of us would play guitar and which would play bass. I won the coin toss and got to be the guitar player. My first guitar was a 3/4 size acoustic with terribly high action that only stayed in tune up to the 5th fret. My dad, a great guitar player before his stroke, taught me G, C, A, D, and Em and then turned me loose. With those chords, I taught myself "Take It Easy" and "American Pie". "Louie Louie" and all the other 3-chord marvels followed shortly thereafter. By the time I was 16, I had bought a Fender Bullet electric and was playing Beatles' songs and trying to learn as many chords as possible. Later that same year, I bought a Takamine 12-string acoustic and took it everywhere with me. As a senior in H.S., I played guitar in jazz band. That helped my understanding of music theory and chord structures immensely. In my life, I have taken two guitar lessons. The problem was finding a teacher with whom I felt comfortable. That might be why, to this day, I don't consider myself much of a lead player. I can play riffs and figure out most chord progressions and melodies just by listening but never became a wailing soloist. In fact few of my solos ever go beyond basic pentatonic & blues scales. That said, I still know hundreds of chords and really like experimenting with different sounds and textures and feel that I can play along with anyone on almost any song. I said all of that to say this: My having learned other instruments was probably the single most important element in learning to play guitar so quickly. Knowing how to read music, being a pretty good sight reader and having near-perfect pitch probably were also contributing factors, I'm sure. To extend this even further, knowing how to play guitar helped me when I decided to learn mandolin and banjo. I still consider myself a keyboardist who also happens to play guitar. I have played keys and bass in bands more often than I have guitar so that's the label that I have proudly taken on. Unfortunately, I don't really get to play piano very often anymore so my chops need polishing. At this point in my life, I am definitely a better guitarist than keyboardist. I am hopeful that that will change soon, as I am in the process of acquiring my grandmother's 70-year old upright grand which has sat -- unplayed -- in my dad's spare bedroom for over a decade. The crux of the biscuit is that everyone is different and each person's goals as a player are different. If your child has previous musical experience, then it will probably be fairly easy for him/her to learn to play guitar without lessons. If you insist on lessons, find someone with similar musical interests who understands your child's skill level and goals. IMO, the most important attributes in a teacher are patience and an pleasant personality. - -- Cheers! - -g- "We're all different versions of the same thing." - --Robyn Hitchcock glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:01:02 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments Hmm, slow day... > ...maybe they all > want some kinda quick clean but turgid population reduction like a super > war, cuz' then maybe there will be less traffic at o'hare when the saudis > fly in for the big races and the pussy and the bourbon? "They" being the Saudis or the air traffic controllers? Either way, never underestimate the power of big races, pussy and bourbon (or, for that matter, O'Hare International Airport) to motivate people to acts of mass violence. I know that's what usually gets *me* doing it! I mean, O'Hare does at least. > or do you think > it's actually worse than that? i wonder if they are selling all the > mermaids as sex slaves to the mexicans? Naaah, the Mexicans can have 'em. Those fish-scales will really mess up your legs, what with the friction-burn and all. John "PC's suck -- Atari ST's rule" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:37:08 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, JH3 wrote: > "They" being the Saudis or the air traffic controllers? it's the cia, the saudis, the french, the inuits and the new nazis and a few shiites and almost all of the catholics. plus the moonies. they are ones who hijacked the planes and hit the trade center and the pentagon. remember that list member's conspiracy theory? it has been verified and the bricklayers have actually been the spies and they are now set to take over the world and turn it into a paradise of sex and drugery. or is that after we die? > Naaah, the Mexicans can have 'em. Those fish-scales will really mess up > your legs, what with the friction-burn and all. the mermaids actually have skin like catfish rather than scales like carp. another urban myth revealed. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:10:19 -0400 From: "*twofangs.rand*" Subject: guided by voices not robyn Quick hi :-} For those fegs who are also 'Guided By Voices' fans - the band will be performing on Craig Kilborn Monday June 17th. I got the song 'everywhere with helicopter' off the Matador website ... f.y.i. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.matadorrecords.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi Toronto, Ontario, Canada *what scares you most will set you free* ~ robyn hitchcock *the longer you hide ... the more you deny* ~ neil finn *by endurance we conquer* ~ sir ernest shackleton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:43:35 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments >> > Is it profiling? Yep. Pure and simple. Is it a >> > reasonable, affordable, and--most >> > importantly--effective method of security? Yes >> Sir. >> >> >> spoken like a true non-Middle Eastern non-Muslim. I >> guess 98% of the >> population prefer other people to be racially >> profiled. > >Do you think for a second if you or I were walking >down the streets of Kabul we wouldn't be treated >differently? Possibly Kidnapped? Possibly attacked? >Profiled? Stopped by the authority-of-the-hour and >questioned? Please. ah - I understand now. If it happens like that in Kabul then you should be able to do the same without question. Just because one side of a dispute responds to questionable tactics, it doesn't mean that the other side has a right to do the same. >When the threat fits such a narrow profile (and it >does) why wouldn't you employ it? the accused in the shoe-bomber case was of British/West Indian descent, ISTR. I don't recall Tim McVeigh being that middle-eastern in looks, either. So the threat doesn't necessarily fit that profile. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:44:29 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: crispy beatles >> Yeah, but Natalie mentioned "Rubber Soul" in particular, which has these >> garish 100% pans throughout. All instruments hard right and all vocals >> and solos hard left (or vice-versa, I don't have a copy handy). Sounds >> perfect on AM radio but it can be really distracting on a stereo (not to >> mention headphones). Maybe that's the effect she's describing. > >You can hear the same effect on 'Something Else' by the Kinks. I think >there must have been some technological limitation to early stereo which >made it impossible to place things centrally. There were numerous other >albums featuring very odd stereo in the mid-60s, but by Revolver (late >66?) they were well on the way to being sorted out. remember that even as late as 1967. 4-track was seen as being state-of-the-art recording. Albums like "Please please me" were recorded in 2-track straight onto tape in one take. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:55:05 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Required Feg Reading http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316363448/qid=1023929483/br=3-1/ref= br_lfncs_b_1/102-9853601-1793736 That's right, folks, now we have our own bible! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:13:06 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments And Jose Padilla - that is not anything but hispanic/american, not persian or such. (Well, I have issue about this whole "detention" under the laws of war of a citizen, without arrest or constitutional rights being applicable, but that is another discussion) eleanore On Wednesday, June 12, 2002, at 05:43 PM, James Dignan wrote: >>>> Is it profiling? Yep. Pure and simple. Is it a >>>> reasonable, affordable, and--most >>>> importantly--effective method of security? Yes >>> Sir. >>> >>> >>> spoken like a true non-Middle Eastern non-Muslim. I >>> guess 98% of the >>> population prefer other people to be racially >>> profiled. >> >> Do you think for a second if you or I were walking >> down the streets of Kabul we wouldn't be treated >> differently? Possibly Kidnapped? Possibly attacked? >> Profiled? Stopped by the authority-of-the-hour and >> questioned? Please. > > ah - I understand now. If it happens like that in Kabul then you should > be > able to do the same without question. > > Just because one side of a dispute responds to questionable tactics, it > doesn't mean that the other side has a right to do the same. > >> When the threat fits such a narrow profile (and it >> does) why wouldn't you employ it? > > the accused in the shoe-bomber case was of British/West Indian descent, > ISTR. I don't recall Tim McVeigh being that middle-eastern in looks, > either. So the threat doesn't necessarily fit that profile. > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > .-=-.-=-.-=-.- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. > -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance > =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time > -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 01:28:34 +0000 From: "Glow Rose" Subject: How many Fegs does it take to play guitar ... Ferris: >When the enemy (in this case those who would carry out attacks on the citizenry of the US) ceases to be Islamicists then Islamicists can cease being profiled. I feel like Im back teaching in Sunday School but(schoolmarm Kay clears her throught) two wrongs dont make a right. There are -perhaps- decent arguments to be made for certain practical but ethical(?) forms of profiling.. But to take it to the horrid extreme of: >Watch them. Tail them. Bug them. Hinder or shut >down their operations at all cost. Do you know what its like to be tailed or bugged? To realize the only privacy you can be sure of is that within your own head? Its not pleasent. Its hard on the ego and even harder on the psyche; its no just fate for an average person in the wrong place at the wrong time. Would you really want to possibly put a law-abiding citizen or resident thru it? What if it brought real damage into their life. A mother might have a nervous breakdown from the stress of realizing her home and phone were bugged, or her husband develope a phobia for his job since at it he felt like he was always being observered and perhaps harrassed -- dont you think the goverment would be responsible? What it both parents became ground down by it, the mother depressed and/or paranoid, the husband unemployed, too anxious to be employable, the children confused and damgaged, never knowing how or why their life has been ripped up. Cause all of the official activity that produced this would be covert, never owned up to, explained or rectified. Is that how our country should act? As an citizen and therefore a consenting participent, would you really want to think of yourself as someone who caused or allowed such injustice? I wouldnt want that sort of weight on my consiousce. In fact, Id rather correct such abuse than argue for it. Its an old argument that to end whats "evil" one must be just as "evil" back. But by that argument, the hypothetical husband should buy a gun and shoot the next officer he sees. Perhpas the the school crossing-guard might be a likely candiate. There has to be a better way to solve, dissolve, resolve or absolve such matters. - --------------------------------------- However, since no one could -ever- accuse me of being over-sensitivite to others(Saggitarian foot in mouth disease makes sure of that), I will now show just how non-PC I can be. As the resident "ski" on Feg I hereby declare that I will take no offense whatsoever(in fact, I will downright relish) any defemational Polish jokes(such has how many Poles does it take to spell defemational?) anyone wants to make tween now and the US's next World Cup game;-) - ------------------------------------------- I love peoples' learning to play guitar stories. Any more out there? Ross--thank you for reminding me of "Im so Glad." We are contemporary enough that we shared reptoires. If -only- Id been good enough to get up to the Godwin G7! Kay, and jftr, Wells,--its autumn in -NY- _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:49:12 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: How many Fegs does it take to play soccer... Kay revealed: > As the resident "ski" on Feg I hereby declare that I will take no offense > whatsoever(in fact, I will downright relish) any defemational Polish > jokes(such has how many Poles does it take to spell defemational?) anyone > wants to make tween now and the US's next World Cup game;-) A Polish team and and a French team are playing soccer in a city park. When a nearby fire bell goes off, the French leave the field thinking the ref has blown his whistle. Twenty minutes later the Poles score. Michael "embroider as you see fit" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:10:00 -0400 From: "Roberta Cowan" Subject: god save the queen? http://www.mtv.co.uk/mtv.co.uk/en/dynamo/common_files/flash/dancin g_queen/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:39:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: crispy beatles The Beatles were infamous for this... the other albums that do this aside from revolver are rubber soul and Sgt Pepper's. sgt Peppers was released in both stereo (mixed by martin) and mono (as per legend, the original mixes were done by the fab four them selves). Herbie - --- James Dignan wrote: > >> Yeah, but Natalie mentioned "Rubber Soul" in > particular, which has these > >> garish 100% pans throughout. All instruments > hard right and all vocals > >> and solos hard left (or vice-versa, I don't have > a copy handy). Sounds > >> perfect on AM radio but it can be really > distracting on a stereo (not to > >> mention headphones). Maybe that's the effect > she's describing. > > > >You can hear the same effect on 'Something Else' by > the Kinks. I think > >there must have been some technological limitation > to early stereo which > >made it impossible to place things centrally. There > were numerous other > >albums featuring very odd stereo in the mid-60s, > but by Revolver (late > >66?) they were well on the way to being sorted out. > > remember that even as late as 1967. 4-track was seen > as being > state-of-the-art recording. Albums like "Please > please me" were recorded in > 2-track straight onto tape in one take. > > James > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. > =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > > .-=-.-=-.-=-.- > > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. > -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if > from a distance > =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from > another time > -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By > this River") ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:05:28 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: How many Fegs does it take to play soccer... - --On Wednesday, June 12, 2002 20:49:12 -0500 Michael Wells wrote: > Kay revealed: >> As the resident "ski" on Feg I hereby declare that I will take no offense >> whatsoever(in fact, I will downright relish) any defemational Polish >> jokes(such has how many Poles does it take to spell defemational?) anyone >> wants to make tween now and the US's next World Cup game;-) Annotation: the Big Dipper is the Big Wagon in German ... (what's a dipper, anyway?) Q: How do you know the Poles have joined the space race? A: The Big Wagon is missing a wheel. The wife of one of my best friends is Polish - actually Polish, not US Polish as in "I'm Polish: my great-grandmother once knew someone from Poland" ;-) She likes the joke, but her family and friends back in Poland were not amused ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Being just contaminates the void - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:07:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Non-RH Sight do our fellow canadians on this list wish to explain this? http://www.standonguard.com Herbie np -> "A good stalk" Trey Anastasio ("One Man's Trash" LP) ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:17:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: How many Fegs does it take to play soccer... On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Annotation: the Big Dipper is the Big Wagon in German ... (what's a dipper, > anyway?) The Big Wain (Wagon) or Charles's Wain is another name for the Big Dipper in English, too. It's archaic, though, at least in the US. A dipper is a container, usually a large, long-handled spoon, used for ladling liquids from one place to another. It's something you *dip* into the liquid, y'see? Etymology meets astronomy ... see, this is why I love the Feg list! As far as Polish jokes go, as a child I was always partial to the one about the Polish Navy installing screen windows on their submarines (to keep out the fish). - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:24:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: How many Fegs does it take to play soccer... Big dipper is also known these days as a ladle too. Polish jokes... there are so many that I have heard growing up in a predominantly Polish neighborhood: how do you get a one armed Pollack out of a tree? wave to him. Did you hear about the new Polish invention? A Solar powered flash light? Etc, Etc. Herbie np -> "Tracy Jack" Blur - --- Christopher Gross wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > > Annotation: the Big Dipper is the Big Wagon in > German ... (what's a dipper, > > anyway?) > > The Big Wain (Wagon) or Charles's Wain is another > name for the Big Dipper > in English, too. It's archaic, though, at least in > the US. A dipper is a > container, usually a large, long-handled spoon, used > for ladling liquids > from one place to another. It's something you *dip* > into the liquid, > y'see? > > Etymology meets astronomy ... see, this is why I > love the Feg list! > > As far as Polish jokes go, as a child I was always > partial to the one > about the Polish Navy installing screen windows on > their submarines (to > keep out the fish). > > > --Chris > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Christopher Gross On the Internet, > nobody knows I'm a dog. > chrisg@gwu.edu ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:26:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: NYC/CHI Tree If anyone wants a copy and is not involved already in a tree or on a branch and would like either or both the Chicago and NYC show please email me. I am caught up on trades and sent the cds for my branch members who contacted me today. Peace, love, and lobster! Herbie np -> "End Of Century" Blur ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:24:14 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: How many Fegs does it take to roll runes ... On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Glow Rose wrote: > There are -perhaps- decent arguments to be made for certain practical but > ethical(?) forms of profiling.. But to take it to the horrid extreme of: > > >Watch them. Tail them. Bug them. Hinder or shut > >down their operations at all cost. this doesn't and can't simply by numbers include but an ultra-small portion of the population. if the sides had met and discussed the data and points raised by a couple low level fringe type agents, what would we have done then? watched, tailed, bugged? or would we have to wait until we caught them after they cut the throats of a few airline employees and were attempting to overtake the cockpits? war is different than the average aggravated sexual assualt or homicide of a young girl. or an american citizen who trains with the enemy. or is it? > Do you know what its like to be tailed or bugged? To realize the only > privacy you can be sure of is that within your own head? privacy can come and go but you are always alone. the average person is rarely in the wrong place at the wrong time, comparatively, for any extreme consequence. buy a shotgun, string a bow, maybe you can take some sorry motherfucker with you when you go. or something. > As an citizen and therefore a consenting participent, would you really want > to think of yourself as someone who caused or allowed such injustice? I > wouldnt want that sort of weight on my consiousce. In fact, Id rather > correct such abuse than argue for it. as a citizen of any country except perhaps texas, you have been carrying so much weight for so long you forgot it was there. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:53:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: glee I just learned that my Buffy the Vampire Slayer season 2 DVDs were delivered today. Woohoo! No sleep for me tonight! - --Chris (now worried about the package getting rain-soaked on my doorstep) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #191 ********************************