From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #190 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, June 12 2002 Volume 11 : Number 190 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Liza is a Mac girl [steve ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #189 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: observations [Michael R Godwin ] Re: YipYipYip [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [Christopher Gross ] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] New Order in DC! (Well, sort of.) [Christopher Gross ] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [FS Thomas ] Michigan cetaceans ["Natalie Jane" ] roughus [drew ] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [Stewart Russell ] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [FS Thomas ] Re: Liza is a Mac girl [Tom Clark ] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [Stewart Russell ] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [Ken Ostrander ] Re: Anti-PC Arguments [gSs ] mono mix ["ross taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:38:07 -0500 From: steve Subject: Liza is a Mac girl http://www.apple.com/switch/ads/lizarichardson.html And the other folk - http://www.apple.com/switch/ads/ - - Steve __________ One of the president's close acquaintances outside the White House said Mr. Bush clearly feels he has encountered his reason for being, a conviction informed and shaped by the president's own strain of Christianity. "I think, in his frame, this is what God has asked him to do," the acquaintance said. - Frank Bruni, NYT, on Bush's new war ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:24:28 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #189 >> >From: "Natalie Jane" >> >6. I put on a couple of Beatles songs (from "Rubber Soul") to entertain my >> >sister, and I'm amazed at how spare and empty they sound - as if all the >> >band members were standing yards away from each other. >> >> This is one reason(the main one)why the mono mixes of the Beatles records >> are considered superior to the stereo mixes by many collectors. > >Hmmm... I'm not quite sure what you (Natalie) mean here. I'm trying to >imagine "Tomorrow Never Knows" sounding "spare and empty" - and coming up >a bit dry. well, that was on Revolver, the first album where they started to really get into the studio orchestration. Almost all of Rubber Soul does sound spare and empty. Oh, and glorious. >(I've always heard the "mono mixes are better" re Beatles records argued >as an authenticity issue: Martin did the mono mixes, often with Beatles >present, whereas the stereo mixes were generally done later (sometimes >*years* later) AND that's only becuase he heard the stereo mixes through a faulty machine when the CDs were being mastered, and decided that the quality wqasn't good enough for that reason. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:36:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments FS Thomas wrote: > Interesting stuff. not really. sounds like bullshit to me, in fact. not that atta may have applied for and been turned down for the loan, etc.; that he would have acted that way afterwards. i mean, if you are going somewhere to clandestinely plan and execute a terrorist attack, would YOU go so far out of the way to attract attention to yourself? would you announce loudly who you were working on behalf of and make not even veiled threats? sounds like some woman wanted to attract attention to herself so she could be famous for a day or two. > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > National Review Online > Impromptus (excerpt) > Jay Nordlinger, NR's Managing Editor > > June 10, 2002 8:45 a.m. > The politics of parading; soccer and the metric system; > when PC is > dangerous; etc. > > . . . > Like many others, I read with sinking heart about > Johnell Bryant, the > Department of Agriculture official to whom the 9/11 > terrorist Mohamed > Atta applied for a loan - he wanted to buy a > crop-duster, for purposes > that need not now be guessed. According to the New York > Times, "[Ms. > Bryant] told Atta that he could not have a loan of > $650,000 to buy a > twin-engine, six-passenger plane, which he wanted to > equip with a very > large tank. He then became agitated . . . and asked > [Bryant] what was > to keep him from slitting her throat and stealing money > from the safe > behind the desk in her Florida office." > > But Johnell Bryant didn't kick Atta out of her office > or call the > police. She jollied him. And "later in their meeting, . > . . [Atta] > told her he wanted to buy an aerial picture of > Washington that hung in > her office. He pulled out a wad of cash and threw money > on her desk, > even after she said she would not sell it. He asked > about the White > House and Pentagon, and she pointed them out." > > He praised al Qaeda to her, and also its leader, Osama > bin Laden. > According to Bryant, Atta "mentioned that this man > would someday be > known as the world's greatest leader." The terrorist > went on to ask > about various American cities, and specifically > mentioned that the > football stadium used by the Dallas Cowboys had "a hole > in the roof." > He also wondered whether "he would be able to visit > various landmarks > in Washington, since he was not a citizen. 'I told him > that there > wouldn't be a problem with that, that there is security > inside of most > of the buildings,' . . . but it would be like that in > airports." > > Today, Bryant says, "Should I have picked up the > telephone and called > someone? . . . I don't know how I could possibly expect > myself to have > recognized what the man was. And yet sometimes I > haven't forgiven > myself." > > Now, I'm not a psychiatrist, and journalism - even of > the casual sort > - isn't psychiatry. But, like you, I've lived in > America for a while, > and have observed a thing or two. One of them is: > Political > correctness rides high. In many areas, and in many > categories of life, > it is our master and bane. And we have been taught - > conditioned - not > to "discriminate." (Indeed, Bryant says that, after she > denied Atta > the loan, "he started accusing me of discriminating > against him." Of > course. Must have made her feel bad - threat to slit > her throat and > all.) So conditioned, paralyzed, and terrorized are we > by PC that we > may hesitate to suspect a violent, unsubtle Arab man of > terrorist > connections, even when he is all but screaming at us, > "I'm a > terrorist, looking for ways to damage the U.S., you > stupid fool!" > > What would have happened if Bryant had reported this? > What would her > superiors have said? Would she have been thanked and > commended? Would > she have been shipped off to sensitivity training? What > would the New > York Times and 60 Minutes have said? That Bryant was a > conscientious > citizen and public official, doing her duty to her > fellow Americans? > Or that this country had hatred, and "fear of the > other," in its > blood? That we were racist, ethnocentric, xenophobic, > hegemonist, > patriarchalist (would that have applied?), and all > those other words > that we have learned in recent years? > > This sort of hesitancy - this sort of self-muzzling and > self-doubting > and false shame - has long been an albatross around our > necks. It has > impeded progress in our race relations, most > spectacularly. Sensible > discussion of crime is almost impossible. I know for a > fact that, at > at least one big-city newspaper, reporters and editors > are discouraged > from reporting straight on crime and law enforcement, > lest "the black > community" (strange, and telling, phrase) be upset. > Needless to say, > these reporters and editors can't speak out, or they'd > risk > everything. > > I am no shrink, but I hazard this guess about Johnell > Bryant: that > some part of her was inhibited by our acculturation in > PC. Will this > acculturation - this system of fear and accusation - be > lessened in > the wake of 9/11? Will honesty and openness be > encouraged? In some, > surely. Generally? One wonders. > . . . > > ------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:53:46 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: RE: observations On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Brian Huddell wrote: > Yeah, but Natalie mentioned "Rubber Soul" in particular, which has these > garish 100% pans throughout. All instruments hard right and all vocals > and solos hard left (or vice-versa, I don't have a copy handy). Sounds > perfect on AM radio but it can be really distracting on a stereo (not to > mention headphones). Maybe that's the effect she's describing. You can hear the same effect on 'Something Else' by the Kinks. I think there must have been some technological limitation to early stereo which made it impossible to place things centrally. There were numerous other albums featuring very odd stereo in the mid-60s, but by Revolver (late 66?) they were well on the way to being sorted out. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:03:02 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: YipYipYip On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, Glow Rose wrote: > Any advice from other parental fegs on kid guitar stuff? Is there any site > on the internet where a dyslexic, inept middle age woman can learn to play > -more- than "No Expectation"? I learned from a book called "104 Folk Songs for Easy Guitar". The great thing is to build up a repertoire of actual _songs_ which you can strum along to, even if they only use three chords. I remember my big struggle with G7: G G Railroad Bill Railroad Bill G [awkward pause going to G7] He never worked and he never will G [ o god, D7, wait a sec] G And it's ride ride ride! You can soon pick up 20 or 30 of those, and then it's time for "Hey Joe" - - five chords in one song! And after that, the choral section from 'Saucerful of Secrets'. - - Mike "you can guess when I was learning" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:27:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments Damn, I thought this was going to be a pro-Mac article! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:36:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, FS Thomas wrote: > Interesting stuff. > --------------- > > National Review Online > Impromptus (excerpt) > Jay Nordlinger, NR's Managing Editor (cliche alert): Hindsight is always 20/20. Yeah, if what the article says is true, you'd think maybe someone should have done something. Or maybe you'd just think, god, that was one crazy human being there. I think if it had been me, I'd have been mostly interested in getting the hell away from this guy - not because I thought, gee, one day this guy's gonna fly an airplane into the WTC, but simply because he would have seemed clearly unstable, nearly deranged. But the very extremity of his actions are probably what made him seem less a political threat and more a personal one. What the *hell* does "PC" have to do with it? Did Bryant say, "I didn't say anything because I was afraid the Dept. would be sued for discrimination"? No - the PC angle is entirely in Nordlinger's mind. The whole anti-PC thing is absurdly overblown: yeah, there are obnoxious folks who fixate on trivial issues and get ridiculously self-righteous about them - most of them are twenty years old, and suffer from being twenty years old (apologies to any sane twenty year olds reading this) - but to imagine a quasi left-wing orthodoxy in this country pretty much defies belief. Try being a public figure in all but a few cities who's openly an atheist, or who questions capitalism in a thoroughgoing way... But sure, let Nordlinger believe that it's political correctness that led to the WTC attacks - *there's* a sensible perspective. If only we'd said to Atta, "No, you crazy, anti-American Arab - you can't have money for a cropduster, you rotten, unpatriotic camel jockey," he and all the rest of Al Qaeda would have slunk off, tails between their legs, and taken up gardening or Scrabble, and we'd all live in paradise. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::"In two thousand years, they'll still be looking for Elvis - :: this is nothing new," said the priest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:17:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: New Order in DC! (Well, sort of.) AVALANCHE: A NEW ORDER DJ EVENT Featuring the music of New Order, Joy Division, Electronic, Revenge, Monaco & The Other Two Spun by DJ Medusa and DJ Strange Saturday, 15 June 2002, 10 pm The Metro Cafe, 1522 14th St. NW, Washington DC $5 cover charge ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:58:45 -0700 (PDT) From: FS Thomas Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments - --- Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > the PC angle is entirely in > Nordlinger's mind. I'm not so sure about that. Overt 'sensitivity' and an aversion to offend is going to get us in far more trouble than it will ever prevent. It's an easy line to draw in the sand. Male 18-35, possibly Middle Easter, definately Muslim = possible threat. Is it profiling? Yep. Pure and simple. Is it a reasonable, affordable, and--most importantly--effective method of security? Yes Sir. - -f. ===== email: ferris@ochremedia.com fthomas@pharmedica.com (work) AOL IM: ferraatu - ------------------------------ Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:05:43 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: Michigan cetaceans >If you can manage, I strongly recommend learning to play the guitar >yourself. That is, learn to tune it, learn how the chords are played, >learn what chords sound good following one another to your ears, etc. I learned to play guitar by a) buying a nice guitar (a Martin DM, with that lovely mahogany smell) to encourage myself to play, b) looking up chord charts of songs I like online, and c) playing a lot. I learned a lot from just playing Neutral Milk Hotel songs, which are very simple chord-wise. I now associate certain chords with certain artists, e.g. G7 is the Syd Barrett chord, because I learned it from playing "Dark Globe." I'm taking lessons now because I feel like I came up against a wall in terms of right-hand technique and theory. My teacher is a blues guy and doesn't really know what to do with my poppier proclivities, but he's doing a pretty good job anyway. He let me choose a riff to practice, so I chose the riff from "I Am a Scientist." >Every time I've seen Elf Power, they've begged the audience for a >place to >sleep. They stayed with the Minders when I saw them here. Last time I saw them, last November, Andrew Rieger was complaining because the Minders had their heat cut off. Ingrate. >You missed out on ogling the new bass player's mighty fro. Goodness! I thought John Fernandes (the Olivia Tremor Control's resident stud boy) was their bassist now. If I back-combed my hair a lot, I could have a great "Jewfro." I haven't tried it yet. >Hmmm... I'm not quite sure what you (Natalie) mean here. I'm trying >to >imagine "Tomorrow Never Knows" sounding "spare and empty" - and >coming up >a bit dry. It was "Rubber Soul" I was talking about, though some songs from "Revolver" sound that way too. I hear it on the CD as well as the tape. I don't mean it as a put-down of the production - I like the way it sounds. You can hear everything incredibly clearly - all the little details like tambourines and harmonies. I think it's supposed to sound like that. I find it interesting because I usually associate the Beatles with sounding very lush. >Hell, those whales must be tough to pass through Ann Arbor! Well, there is a river that goes through Ann Arbor, the mighty Huron, which I believe feeds into the Detroit River which divides Michigan from Canada. I assume that whales could get there via the Great Lakes somehow, if they didn't die from the pollution first. Also, the mighty Huron is about five feet deep... n. "No, I'm Jack, you whales!" - high school in-joke _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:10:57 -0700 From: drew Subject: roughus > From: "Mike Wells" > > Speaking of Rufus Wainwright, as Natalie was, I have to mention my > frustration > at his take on "Across the Universe" being allowed to spoil what is an > otherwise rather enjoyable soundtrack to the movie "I Am Sam." I love Rufus, but I didn't like his cover either. I would disagree that it's the worst thing on the soundtrack, though. I must have mentioned this already, but on the plane back from my sister's wedding they showed _I Am Sam_. I could only watch about five minutes before I ripped the earphones from my head in horror. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:32:21 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments FS Thomas wrote: > > Is it profiling? Yep. Pure and simple. Is it a > reasonable, affordable, and--most > importantly--effective method of security? Yes Sir. spoken like a true non-Middle Eastern non-Muslim. I guess 98% of the population prefer other people to be racially profiled. Stewart (who doesn't carry one of these: http://www.salon.com/comics/knig/2002/05/29/knig/story.gif) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:47:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, FS Thomas wrote: > It's an easy line to draw in the sand. Male 18-35, > possibly Middle Easter, definately Muslim = possible > threat. > > Is it profiling? Yep. Pure and simple. Is it a > reasonable, affordable, and--most > importantly--effective method of security? Yes Sir. We've been through this - I'm not sure where/if this list is archived, but 'round about October or so, we discussed "profiling," its necessity and effectiveness or lack thereof. - -j ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: FS Thomas Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments - --- Stewart Russell wrote: > FS Thomas wrote: > > > > > Is it profiling? Yep. Pure and simple. Is it a > > reasonable, affordable, and--most > > importantly--effective method of security? Yes > Sir. > > > spoken like a true non-Middle Eastern non-Muslim. I > guess 98% of the > population prefer other people to be racially > profiled. Do you think for a second if you or I were walking down the streets of Kabul we wouldn't be treated differently? Possibly Kidnapped? Possibly attacked? Profiled? Stopped by the authority-of-the-hour and questioned? Please. Give it a rest. When the enemy (in this case those who would carry out attacks on the citizenry of the US) ceases to be Islamicists then Islamicists can cease being profiled. When the threat fits such a narrow profile (and it does) why wouldn't you employ it? This wave of hyper-sensitivity that's spread in the past perhaps seven to ten years is ludicrous. it's simple: there has been a threat assessment made against a sub-sect of world culture: the Islamicists. Watch them. Tail them. Bug them. Hinder or shut down their operations at all cost. - -f. ===== email: ferris@ochremedia.com fthomas@pharmedica.com (work) AOL IM: ferraatu - ------------------------------ Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:56:35 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Liza is a Mac girl on 6/10/02 10:38 PM, steve at steveschiavo@mac.com wrote: > http://www.apple.com/switch/ads/lizarichardson.html > > Do we know her from somewhere? - -tc, who never had to switch. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:01:47 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments FS Thomas wrote: > > Do you think for a second if you or I were walking > down the streets of Kabul we wouldn't be treated > differently? Probably. > Possibly Kidnapped? could happen any place. > Possibly attacked? could happen any place. > Profiled? I'm quite used to that. Glasgow was awash with CCTV cameras. Every time anyone uses a bank machine, they are profiled. > Stopped by the authority-of-the-hour and > questioned? I've been questioned at gunpoint by the army whilst going about my business in Northern Ireland. I didn't look any different. > Give it a rest. hey, you are getting sensitive here! > When the enemy (in this case those > who would carry out attacks on the citizenry of the > US) ceases to be Islamicists then Islamicists can > cease being profiled. As I'm just another of those pesky European communist sympathisers, I'd say that there are attacks on the citizenry of the US from those who would promote: * the loosening of responsibility for contaminated food outbreaks, making O157:H7-infested meat something that the corporate contaminators have no responsibility for * the idea that tobacco doesn't kill thousands every year * the race for profits over the health of those who create those profits. > When the threat fits such a narrow profile (and it > does) why wouldn't you employ it? 'Cos last time I met you, you had really short hair. Timothy McVeigh had really short hair. Several other terrorists have had really short hair. If I didn't know you better, I'd have you pegged as a terrorist. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:24:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, FS Thomas wrote: > Give it a rest. When the enemy (in this case those > who would carry out attacks on the citizenry of the > US) ceases to be Islamicists then Islamicists can > cease being profiled. The threat is from a small number of "Islamicists," not Muslims in general, and not Middle Easterners generally, and since ideology is not visible on the skin, in the hair, or upon the clothing of any person, you've just flushed your own argument down the (rock'n'roll) toilet. As I said the first go-round on this, you'd end up profiling way more people than are lkely to be guilty of anything, and the people who are guilty are quite likely to take steps to *not* fit any existing profile. They may be fanatics, but they're not stupid. Jeff Ceci n'est pas une .sig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:12:35 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments >Give it a rest. When the enemy (in this case those >who would carry out attacks on the citizenry of the >US) ceases to be Islamicists then Islamicists can >cease being profiled. > >When the threat fits such a narrow profile (and it >does) why wouldn't you employ it? a narrow profile? there are more than a billion muslims worldwide. >This wave of hyper-sensitivity that's spread in the >past perhaps seven to ten years is ludicrous. it's >simple: there has been a threat assessment made >against a sub-sect of world culture: the Islamicists. > Watch them. Tail them. Bug them. Hinder or shut >down their operations at all cost. here's a threat for you: our administration. the bushies have instructed intelligence agencies (which, by the way, also need to watched, tailed, and bugged: http://www.freepeltier.org/) not to investigate links between the white house and the saudis. citizens of several nations suspected to harbor terrorism are going to be fingerprinted and profiled; but saudi arabia is not one of those countries. more than half of those involved in the hijackings nine months ago were from saudi arabia. then there's recent implications that saudi arabia helped to fund pakistan's nuclear program. hmmm... ken "spare any social change?" the kenster np let's get free dead prez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:55:43 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Anti-PC Arguments On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Ken Ostrander wrote: > a narrow profile? there are more than a billion muslims worldwide. we don't have an earthid yet, but we should. and he wasn't talking about earthwide. > here's a threat for you: our administration. the bushies have instructed > intelligence agencies (which, by the way, also need to watched, tailed, > and bugged: http://www.freepeltier.org/) not to investigate links between > the white house and the saudis. wow, ya think they catch a buzz and bet on horses? or trade arms or negotiate some other type of agreements like oil, energy, heroine, the slave trade? > citizens of several nations suspected to harbor terrorism are going to > be fingerprinted and profiled; but saudi arabia is not one of those > countries. is this a new subterranean rumor or just misinformation? iran, iraq, syria, libya and a couple other countries have been on the list quite a while, haven't they? wasn't it carter that started the country profiling with iran? and didn't the ins start fingerprinting all foreigners in 1940. i don't know how long that lasted but this is not the first time. I think all foreigners should be fingerprinted along with all the fucking natives. > more than half of those involved in the hijackings nine months ago were > from saudi arabia. then there's recent implications that saudi arabia > helped to fund pakistan's nuclear program. hmmm... hmmm, maybe it's the tricircumnavigational committee? or maybe it sounds like the same stuff steve(?) pushed. im quoting by moral truncation 'but the first plane hit with exactly enough time left to shoot down one of the other planes before it hit therefore the cia planned it, along with the saudis, the french and the inuits and the new nazis. or maybe they all want some kinda quick clean but turgid population reduction like a super war, cuz' then maybe there will be less traffic at o'hare when the saudis fly in for the big races and the pussy and the bourbon? or do you think it's actually worse than that? i wonder if they are selling all the mermaids as sex slaves to the mexicans? that's the big fucking cover-up. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:59:51 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: mono mix Learning to play guitar --- Sad to say, I'm afraid the coolness of the teacher can be the main factor at 12-13 yrs. Unfortunately, excessively cool teachers often have a tendency to blow off lessons. The Beatles & Dylan were great because w/ the former you were learning a fair amount of music, or at least neat chords & song structure, & w/ the latter you had tons of great words to keep you amused as you got up to speed going back & forth between C and F. Don't know who the similar folks are nowadays. My kid likes guitar but is so far into piano & flute she gets impatient starting over. My first guitar song: "I'm So Glad" by Cream, E to, uh, wait, I've got to get my ring finger on the second string third fret, D! 1st verse: "I'm so glad" & repeat 2nd verse: "Dunno what to do" & repeat "No Expectations" brought in my third chord, A. - --- Beatles Mono Mix etc. -- There was actually some good discussion about this on Amazon regarding the Yellow Submarine Songtrack album, w/ brand new mixes. The thing about the super separation of tracks is that it somehow really emphasizes the pre-modern "clarity" of instrument etc. tracks w/ accidental mike noise etc., seeming to float in the modern pristine space of separation -- I'm flailing for words here. I think modern mixes at least give the illusion of the sounds blending a bit, being in the same room together, instead of each recorded instrument, choir, orchestra, being it's own little window into a separate room long ago and far away. On Songtrack you become much more aware of mistakes in recording, performance, fading etc., particularly on the psychedelic numbers w/ tons of effects. The one tune I bought songtrack for really was Nowhere Man -- a lush stero mix w/ the band in the middle & the voices spread around, beautiful in headphones. My problem w/ 60s stuff now is that I listen mainly on 'phones partially to avoid fights w/ my daughter, also late at nite, walking, jogging or on the metro. I'll find some cool old New York Rock and Roll Ensemble disk but have to quash my joy, knowing what the mix will be like. I think the Byrds re-issues do about the best job -- except on John Riley (orchestra one side, band the other, voices middle), Lear Jet song (band right, plane left) & a few others. Those things just mess with my corpus collosum. Ross Taylor "I've been working hard learning to sing and play guitar ..." TMBG, Working Undercover for the Man Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #190 ********************************