From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #187 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, June 10 2002 Volume 11 : Number 187 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: your mail [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Cornwall [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: your mail [" FS Thomas" ] Re: your mail [steve ] Re: your mail [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Dylan covers ["matt sewell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 00:13:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: your mail On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, FS Thomas wrote: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=514&e= > 4&cid=514&u=/ap/20020609/ap_on_re_us/california_fbi_1 > Some times, under certain circumstances, supression is > the best policy. Okay, so what you're saying is that, in order to protect a country whose founding documents assert the rights to freedom of speech, freedom of association and assembly, and philosophically imply the free and open interplay of ideologies, it's sometimes okay to completely contravene those ideals, by lying about others and ruining their careers, lying about one's self to save one's own ass, and generally "disrupt ... the lives of law-abiding citizens and organizations engaging in legitimate dissent"? Wouldn't it be easier just to run a police state and shoot or imprison everyone who disagrees with you? (Well, you *asked* for discussion ..) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Oxygen isn't a text:: __David Robbins__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:17:59 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Cornwall >I don't know flag terminology but in heraldic terms the cornish flag is >sable a cross argent. basically, in flag terms you'd call it sable a cross argent :). St Piran's cross (sometimes referred to as St Petroc's cross), one of the very few black and white flags. I fly mine every March 5th (St Piran's Day). Which somehow reminds me of something from one of the Monty Python follow-up series "Ripping yarns". A man arrives at a country railway station in deepest Cornwall "Where you be fraam then?" asks the station master "London" replies the man StM: "Where's that?" Man: "erm...east of here" StM: "Whaat, near Bodmin?" Man: "Further east than that!" StM: "Ooh, yer a Russian!" I guess you had to be there James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 11:07:05 -0400 From: " FS Thomas" Subject: Re: your mail - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" To: "It's Not Just the Size of a Walnut" Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 1:13 AM Subject: Re: your mail > Okay, so what you're saying is that, in order to protect a country whose > founding documents assert the rights to freedom of speech, freedom of > association and assembly, and philosophically imply the free and open > interplay of ideologies, it's sometimes okay to completely contravene > those ideals, by lying about others and ruining their careers, lying about > one's self to save one's own ass, and generally "disrupt ... the lives of > law-abiding citizens and organizations engaging in legitimate dissent"? > > Wouldn't it be easier just to run a police state and shoot or imprison > everyone who disagrees with you? I am in no way advocating a police state, or wanton imprisonmnet. "[The FBI] had merely tried to protect civil order and national security during a time when the nation feared Communism and waged war in Vietnam." The Bill of Rights and Constitution do indeed protect rights of speech, association, and assembly; and I'm thankful for that. If, however, you want to be a malcontent and spout leftest anti-American (and in this case, apparently pro-communist) sentiments, don't feel crossed when you find yourself audited by the IRS or the subject of government investigation. As citizens' rights to speak out are protected a governing body has to use other means to maintain moral and lawful order. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 23:46:17 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: your mail On Sunday, June 9, 2002, at 10:07 AM, FS Thomas wrote: > "[The FBI] had merely tried to protect civil order and > national security during a time when the nation feared > Communism and waged war in Vietnam." > > The Bill of Rights and Constitution do indeed protect > rights of speech, association, and assembly; and I'm > thankful for that. If, however, you want to be a > malcontent and spout leftist anti-American (and in this > case, apparently pro-communist) sentiments, don't feel > crossed when you find yourself audited by the IRS or > the subject of government investigation. As citizens' > rights to speak out are protected a governing body has > to use other means to maintain moral and lawful order. What a load of utter crap. - - Steve __________ At the same time he was selling U.S. secrets to the Soviet Union, former FBI special agent Robert Philip Hanssen was a key supervisor in a 1980s domestic-spying program questioning the loyalty of American citizens and monitoring their activities, newly obtained FBI documents show. - Dann & Kennedy, L.A. Times ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 23:52:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: your mail On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, FS Thomas wrote: > I am in no way advocating a police state, or wanton > imprisonmnet. > > The Bill of Rights and Constitution do indeed protect > rights of speech, association, and assembly; and I'm > thankful for that. If, however, you want to be a > malcontent and spout leftest anti-American (and in this > case, apparently pro-communist) sentiments, don't feel > crossed when you find yourself audited by the IRS or > the subject of government investigation. So those rights extend only so far - not very far to the left, it seems, certainly not to the right to favor communism. I suppose I might concede that "government" might want to "investigate" such people - but using IRS audits as harassment is pretty clearly illegal and unprincipled. IRS audits are either random or motivated by dubious tax returns. Their purpose is not to be used as a tool of harassment. As citizens' > rights to speak out are protected a governing body has > to use other means to maintain moral and lawful order. You apparently missed the passage about "law-abiding" citizens and "legitimate dissent": the people being surveilled and lied about had not broken any laws. "Moral...order" is, generally, not a government's purview - esp. in the US, which lacks an official arbiter of morality (i.e., a state church) and all of whose founding philosophical documents strongly suggest that each person ought to calibrate and navigate by his or her own moral compass - even to the extent of, if necessary, defying the law. You forget that the revolutionary acts which led to the founding of this country were, of course, against the laws of the ruling powers of that day. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::part of your circuit of incompetence:: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 09:40:34 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Dylan covers My band supported Jason the other week - he played an absolutely storming gig that I thought was incredibly impressive - not being a country fan I didn't think I'd like it anywhere near as much as I did... My band played on the stage, through the PA (to an audience of c.5 at the start, c.20 at the end). When Jason got up to play, he played a couple through the PA then said he felt weird about playing to so few people through so big a PA. He took everyone into the little annex bar and played accoustically - a masterstroke! I remember his cover of Absolutely Sweet Marie being fantastic, along with a masterful cover of England Swings... Cheers Matt >From: Miles Goosens >Reply-To: Miles Goosens >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Dylan covers >Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 11:24:45 -0500 > >There's even a question here? "Absolutely Sweet Marie" by Jason & >the Scorchers, one of those covers that's so great that the covering >band just *owns* (not literally, ya goofs!) the song. No disrespect >to the outstanding original, but this'll take your head clear off. > >later, > >Miles - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #187 ********************************