From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #184 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, June 6 2002 Volume 11 : Number 184 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Sam & Bob [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] quick thanks and footie mania [Jill Brand ] Re: DYLAN COVERS ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: Sam & Bob [Jeff Dwarf ] Re[2]: Sam & Bob [noe shalev ] two feg fonts ["*ms. randi l. spiegel*" ] Re: Sam & Bob [rob@nimbus.demon.co.uk] Dolphins play footy! ["Glow Rose" ] Wire tour dates [Miles Goosens ] Re: DYLAN COVERS ["Mike Wells" ] "out, demons! out!" ["ross taylor" ] Re: "out, demons! out!" [Miles Goosens ] Kernow... ["matt sewell" ] Re: Kernow... ["matt sewell" ] Re: two feg fonts ["JH3" ] Cornwall ["Glow Rose" ] Re: DYLAN COVERS [glen uber ] RIP [Christopher Gross ] RIP ["Marc Holden" ] How much is too much? [glen uber ] Re: DYLAN COVERS [Jeff Dwarf ] Fwd: Re: elixirs news [guapo stick ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:14:41 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Sam & Bob >Is football really also known as non-American football over there? It >seems strangely appropriate, given the way they play it! ;0) > >Soccer is short for association - there used to be 2 types of football: >rugby and association, shortened to rugger and soccer... erm - to confuse matters further, there are two types of rugby, too: Union and League. And a shorter, more frenetic version of Rugby Union called Sevens also exists. Believe it or not the US isn't too bad at RU or Sevens (they'd be ranked worldwide about level with their football - erm, soccer - team). >Not sure what you'd call that US game where it's like rugby but everyone >wears armour... I've rarely heard it called anything other than Gridiron (except by Americans). >I hear that America is very good at baseball, though - they always seem >to win the World Series... nothing like a good game of rounders! to be fair, it's only called the world series because it was sponsored by a newspaper called "The World". And ISTR that a Canadian team has won at least once. About time they invited Japanese and Taiwanese teams to take part though - they're pretty good at baseball, IIRC. Not as enjoyable as softball, and nowhere near as enjoyable as cricket >I'm with Godders. It's got to be Patrick Troughton... PT's grandson is now a damn good cricketer! >> Apparently the boys over there play netball too! > >Tennis? netball is like basketball, only faster, more skilful, and (when played at its top level) more skilful. It's played mainly by women. >> Ps. Of course the three greatest Dylan covers of all time are: "When I >> Paint My Masterpiece (Dead)," "...Watchtower" (Hendrix), and "When the Ship >> Comes In" (Clancy Bros.). what? nothing by the Byrds??? Or Fairport's "Si tu dois partir"? Does Billy Bragg's "Ideology" count as a Dylan cover, or just a thorough rip-off? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:29:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: quick thanks and footie mania Thank you, thank you Ken, Monsieur Chaud, and Jeff for your advice. I am no longer going blind and feel a tiny bit more computer savvy than before. Yes, just as someone else said, just ask the Portuguese about how the Americans play soccer. Someday, someday, this sport will be respected in the States. Both my kids are really good soccer players, mostly because it is not scoffed at at home (my husband is German). Where we live, most boys drop out of soccer at around age 12 or 13 for "real" sports. Ha!!! I do love baseball. I adore the Red Sox. It's kind of like loving the Kinks. We get to see them do something great and then screw it all up year after year. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 21:46:21 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: DYLAN COVERS dmw: > i dunno, i think xtc's "watchtower" crushes hendrix's, seriously. it's > like a manifesto of destroying all musical previous history. I was once told by a co-worker who heard me playing XTC's version on my college radio show, "NEVER play that version of 'all along the watchtower' again!" I took it to heart because he was much larger than me and his neck was much redder, but also because I really didn't like it enough to play it on the radio again. I haven't seen the guy in 15 years or so but I still look over my shoulder whenever I'm listening to the CD at home. Hendrix' version IS the definitive version and apart from maybe the Byrds' versions of "Mr Tambourine Man" and "My Back Pages" represents the best example of taking a Dylan tune and making it your own. Which is different from just blowing it apart as XTC did. Hitchcock has never done much with Dylan songs other than just to sing them; in his case I think it's the choice of songs that makes his versions special. The only excpetion I can think of is one of the tracks on Robyn Sings--"Absolutely Sweet Marie" I think?--where he kind of changes the rhythm & twists the melody around a bit. I can't say I like what he did with it though. To be fair, that's one that's tough to improve on to begin with, although I think the Chocolate Watchband and the Flamin' Groovies (who may have just been covering the Chocolate Watchband) both did well with it. - -rUss PS#1: right you are, Roberta--*nothing* happened on June 4, 1973. http://www.montypython.net/scripts/melish.php PS#2: Glen--did you ever get Robert Williams' version of "Within You, Without You" on your Beatles covers show? That puppy ROCKED! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:27:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Sam & Bob James Dignan wrote: >>I hear that America is very good at baseball, though - they always >>seem to win the World Series... nothing like a good game of rounders! > > to be fair, it's only called the world series because it was > sponsored by a newspaper called "The World". And ISTR that a Canadian > team has won at least once. Toronto Blue Jays, 1992, 1993. The World Serie is also not really comparable to the World Cup in that the team you play for has nothing to do with where you were born, where you live, or where your family is from a couple generations back (though I assume there are probably a few stray WC players that are on teams that nothing to do with those three reasons; probably mostly players from countries that didn't qualify though). There weren't any Canadians on those Blue Jays teams. > About time they invited Japanese and Taiwanese teams to take > part though - they're pretty good at baseball, IIRC. The Japanese Major Leagues are about 85-90% as good as the Majors here. Taiwan's are farther behind, though there are now several Taiwanese nationals in the Minor Leagues working their way to the majors. Taiwanese teams did dominate the Little League WS (9-12 year olds; no, I don't have a good reason why you would need or even want to know who the best baseball team that age is). I have no idea how many Taiwanese play in the Japanese Majors. > Not as enjoyable as > softball, and nowhere near as enjoyable as cricket I can't trust any sport you play wearing a sweater.... ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:07:32 -0800 From: noe shalev Subject: Re[2]: Sam & Bob unce upon a time, Wednesday, June 5, 2002, James typed this: James Dignan> erm - to confuse matters further, there are two types of rugby, too: Union James Dignan> and League. And a shorter, more frenetic version of Rugby Union called James Dignan> Sevens also exists. Believe it or not the US isn't too bad at RU or Sevens James Dignan> (they'd be ranked worldwide about level with their football - erm, soccer - James Dignan> team). and on top of those there's australian football, aka aussie rules, which is basically rugby without the main rules. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 03:29:59 -0400 From: "*ms. randi l. spiegel*" Subject: two feg fonts Hello, I was wondering about Robyn fonts. I picked up the "Feg Caps" font from jh3's page (thanks) but I seem to remember there was another font that was also Robyn's lettering but had large and small letters. Does anyway have a copy of that font? Maybe someone could send me the zip file if this font indeed exists. Or just point me in the right direction. Merci! fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi Toronto, Ontario, Canada *what scares you most will set you free* ~ Robyn Hitchcock *the longer you hide ... the more you deny* ~ Neil Finn *by endurance we conquer* ~ Sir Ernest Shackleton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 12:59:45 +0100 From: rob@nimbus.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Sam & Bob grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > >I hear that America is very good at baseball, though - they always seem > >to win the World Series... nothing like a good game of rounders! > > to be fair, it's only called the world series because it was sponsored by a > newspaper called "The World". I believed this too until recently, when it was pointed out that it in fact appears to be an urban myth. http://www.snopes2.com/business/names/worldser.htm Is this true? Anyone? - -- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:57:30 +0000 From: "Glow Rose" Subject: Dolphins play footy! Welles of Michael: >Ps. Of course the three greatest Dylan covers of all time are: "When I >Paint My Masterpiece (Dead)," "...Watchtower" (Hendrix), and "When the Ship >Comes In" (Clancy Bros.). Add Byrds "All I Really Want to Do ," Fairport's "Percy's Song," Peter, Paul and Mary's "Too Much of Nothing" and the Big Fegs "Not Dark Yet" and youve got a week's wow. And yes, I know Im repeating myself and others. But some great truths are eternal:-). - --------------- Dolphins are the Leppos of mammals. Its partly why I like them;-) - -------------- Jill, You suspicious New Yorker you -- you think Freak Show might not be a -real name--! When I was born my parents looked at me and pondered. My mom said "She looks like a freak show to me, dear." My dad answered "Lets just call her Kay anyway. Its yak backwards." - ------------------ Matt- I love the name Porthallow. Is that a real place? It sounds perfect. St Keverne on the Lizard? Too good to be true. Is there a web site somewhere with nothing but really evocative place-names? There's poetry in names. - ---------------- As the manager of Trinity College's winning varsity soccar team(which really only ment that I was the left-wing's steady honey, could do alittle paperwork and needed an official reason to ride on the bus and hear how a bunch of horny jocks(I think my boyfriend was one of the few that ever actually got laid) talked about woman. It was quite the education) all I can say is. Yes, Yanks -can- play footy(especially if they're from New England.) And Id - -love- to see us to make a respectable showing. Kay, who only slightly understands two sports, but soccar is of them. "Your hair is reminiscent of a digesting yak." Surrealist compliment generator. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 07:16:40 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Wire tour dates >The following dates are now confirmed for Wire's North American tour in >Spetember 2002. > >SAT 7 SAN DIEGO CA - Casbah >SUN 8 LOS ANGELES CA - El Rey Theater >TUE 10 SEATTLE WA - Showbox >FRI 13 MINNEAPOLIS MN - First Avenue >SAT 14 CHICAGO IL - Metro >WED 18 NEW YORK NY - Irving Plaza >SAT 21 ATLANTA GA - Echo Lounge > >more dates plus details of special guests to follow Stay tuned to http://www.posteverything.com and http://www.pinkflag.com for updates... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:43:01 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: DYLAN COVERS Russ Reynolds observed: > "My Back Pages" represents the best example of > taking a Dylan tune and making it your own. Well done, I forgot that one. Might be the best of the bunch. Okay, the FOUR best Dylan covers... The Jimi talk and listening to Capt. Feg's Bottom Line 4-12-02 show where he covers "The Wind Cries Mary" got me wondering what the best Hendrix covers have been. For pure rip-your-own-arms-off guitar flash the best two have to be "Voodoo Chile" and "Little Wing" by Stevie Ray Vaughan. For rocking out I'll go with "Room Full of Mirrors" by The Pretenders. Michael "troupe of gypsies" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 10:59:05 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: "out, demons! out!" More old stuff -- I've been listening to the Fugs a lot recently & hearing a lot of Robyn in them. I know it's the other way around, but anyway. They did the same bouncing around from punk rock to weird modal folk to pretty harmonies & even lush arrangements. "Dirty Old Man" is kinda like "Old Pervert." On the Golden Filth disk, Ed Saunders beanik raps are almost as important as the songs they introduce. Plus, I think of Robyn's DC rap about being too young to come over on the special hippie plane to help exorcize the Pentagon -- which was the Fugs project, Saunders & Ginsberg chanting "out! demons, out!" To me it's funny that Saunders & Kupferberg had very much the stance of beat poets who happened to end up in a rock band, while Robyn has the stance of folk/rock entertainer who dabbles in other stuff, yet IMO Robyn is a much more exciting wordmeister. - --- Ken, don't worry, in base 12 you're only 26! - --- >Also visited Lyme and thought it was great - especially the millions of >ammonites visible on the rocks... I thought they were an order of monks? Ross Taylor "...out on the football football field ..." - --"Boobs-a-lot" Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 10:23:11 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: "out, demons! out!" At 10:59 AM 6/6/2002 -0400, ross taylor wrote: >>Also visited Lyme and thought it was great - especially the millions of >>ammonites visible on the rocks... > >I thought they were an order of monks? Whenever I'd read any Medieval European history, I'd find myself singing the following lyrics... "He's a Cluniac, Cluniac on the floor And he's prayin' like he's never prayed before" what a feeling, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 16:45:20 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Kernow... Yes, Porthallow does exist - it's a few miles from St Keverne, on the Lizard peninsula (look at Cornwall on a map, see the slight fork at the very end - the Northern peninsula is Land's End, the Southern, The Lizard). Porthallow beach is quite pretty, with a nice pub named the Five Pilchards Inn, selling delicious Cornish Coaster beer (a light, session ale). Helson is the biggest town on The Lizard (still very small), and is home of The Furry Dance, a festival that takes place Mid-May... http://www.stkeverneparishcouncil.org.uk/index.html Cornwall has the most beautiful, mysterious landscape in the whole of England... Cheers Matt, commited beach fossicker! >From: "Glow Rose" >Matt- >I love the name Porthallow. Is that a real place? It sounds perfect. >St Keverne on the Lizard? Too good to be true. > >Is there a web site somewhere with nothing but really evocative >place-names? >There's poetry in names. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 17:08:25 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Kernow... Erm, that would be Helston as the main town, not Helson... Matt "increasingly sloppy typsit" Sewell >From: "matt sewell" >Reply-To: "matt sewell" >To: theyarenotlong@hotmail.com, fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Kernow... >Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 16:45:20 +0100 > >Yes, Porthallow does exist - it's a few miles from St Keverne, on the >Lizard peninsula (look at Cornwall on a map, see the slight fork at the >very end - the Northern peninsula is Land's End, the Southern, The >Lizard). Porthallow beach is quite pretty, with a nice pub named the Five >Pilchards Inn, selling delicious Cornish Coaster beer (a light, session >ale). Helson is the biggest town on The Lizard (still very small), and is >home of The Furry Dance, a festival that takes place Mid-May... > >http://www.stkeverneparishcouncil.org.uk/index.html > >Cornwall has the most beautiful, mysterious landscape in the whole of >England... > >Cheers > >Matt, commited beach fossicker! > > >From: "Glow Rose" >Matt- >I love the name Porthallow. Is that a real >place? It sounds perfect. >St Keverne on the Lizard? Too good to be true. > > >Is there a web site somewhere with nothing but really evocative > >place-names? >There's poetry in names. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:13:08 -0500 From: "JH3" Subject: Re: two feg fonts > I was wondering about Robyn fonts. > I picked up the "Feg Caps" font from jh3's page (thanks) but > I seem to remember there was another font that was also > Robyn's lettering but had large and small letters. If such a thing existed, surely someone would have told me by now...? Or is this the sort of thing where the one being duped is always the last to know? You might be thinking of Herbie/Mike Swedene's Macintosh version, which he did in order to fix the numbers that were missing from my own Mac version due to an oversight on my part. I seem to recall him saying *that* version didn't have any lower-case characters, but perhaps Herbie/Mike can fill us in on the details... I can at least say that the Wintelmonopoly version of Feg Caps does have a separate character set for lowercase characters, but of course they're capital letters -- because Robyn generally writes that way, at least in all the species I had at the time (i.e., fronts & backs of album covers). I just didn't bother to include them in the little GIF illustration of the font, at http://www.jh3.com/robyn/default.htm. To avoid confusion altogether, just ignore the foregoing. John "also two sheds" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 17:53:46 +0000 From: "Glow Rose" Subject: Cornwall Matt, I have a typical tourist's sense of Cornwall. I hitched down it once, going thru St Ives heading for Land's End, which was wonderful. My companion and I got picked up by this friendly guy who had great hash(this is an early 70s memory), and we spent the sunset nestled in the rocks of Lands End gazing out to sea. We didnt have time to explore all the other areas, let alone the Lizard. And to think I was supposidly studying hard in London at the time;-) >Cornwall has the most beautiful, mysterious landscape in the whole of >England... Someday ... I didnt even get to Tintagel. - ------------------- Im heading away for awhile so you'll all be blessed by more time tween digests;-) Kay, who dosnt know what "trigging for cockels" or "the Furry Dance" are, but knows she likes them anyway. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 11:18:09 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: Re: DYLAN COVERS Mike earnestly scribbled: >For pure rip-your-own-arms-off guitar flash the best two have to be "Voodoo >Chile" and "Little Wing" by Stevie Ray Vaughan. For rocking out I'll go with >"Room Full of Mirrors" by The Pretenders. I really like Derek & the Dominoes' version of "Little Wing". I think it's superior in every way to SRV's version. And Sting's version, while nice, is a microcosm of his solo career: lethargic, forgettable, and disappointing given what came before. - -- Cheers! - -g- "When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." - --Henny Youngman glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 14:40:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: RIP Dee Dee Ramone, 50, of a possible drug overdose. ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:15:49 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: RIP Dee Dee Ramone. Hang in there Johnny. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:16:27 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: How much is too much? Compare your salary to A-Rod's: I'd love to be able to just work 9 innings and then take the rest of the year off. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Start your own revolution and cut out the middle man." - --Billy Bragg glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 15:35:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: DYLAN COVERS Mike Wells wrote: > The Jimi talk and listening to Capt. Feg's Bottom Line 4-12-02 show > where he covers "The Wind Cries Mary" got me wondering what the best > Hendrix covers have been. > > For pure rip-your-own-arms-off guitar flash the best two have to be > "Voodoo Chile" and "Little Wing" by Stevie Ray Vaughan. For rocking > out I'll go with "Room Full of Mirrors" by The Pretenders. For "there's no way to out-Hendrix Hendrix, so let's go the opposite way": The Cure "Foxy Lady" in a close race over Devo "Are You Experienced?" For sheer enthusiasm even though we can't out-Hendrix Hendrix: Belly "Are You Experienced?" ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:51:24 -0400 From: guapo stick Subject: Fwd: Re: elixirs news >Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 18:22:59 -0700 >Subject: Re: elixirs news >From: "kris.kristensen@scotopiapictures.com" >To: guapo stick > >Update: > >For those interested, the auction has been pushed back 24 hours, and will >now take place on Friday morning, 10am - noon. > >90.3fm or http://www.kexp.org ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #184 ********************************