From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #169 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, May 23 2002 Volume 11 : Number 169 Today's Subjects: ----------------- reap [Stewart Russell ] Re: well then [Miles Goosens ] Re: Lost Highway [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: Dr. Heckle and Mr. Snide indeed [gSs ] Re: Chicago / NYC Tree [Keith Hanlon ] ferrydylanpublishing ["ross taylor" ] Legalized Murder and the parallel lives of TC and JB [Jill Brand ] Re: Hello!? Buffy finale! [Christopher Gross ] Re: cat scratch fever ["Jason R. Thornton" ] taunting & geting taunted [*rand - buzup buzup buzup buzup buzup ah ha* <] Re: Hello!? Buffy finale! ["Sumiko Keay" ] Shel Talmy [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Legalized Murder and the parallel lives of TC and JB [Sebastian Haged] Re: well then ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: heckling and a heckle [Tom Clark ] reap ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: reap [Stewart Russell ] A good year for music! [The Great Quail ] Re: well then ["victorian squid" ] taunt pis ["ross taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:02:17 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: reap a bit late: Norman Vaughan Dodgy, indeed. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:14:33 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: well then At 07:40 PM 5/22/2002 -0400, Jill Brand wrote: >Since everyone but me and one other person loves Sinister But Happy, are >there any RH songs that people don't like? "Legalized Murder" -- ham-fisted, preachy, grating. Three things Robyn usually isn't. "Superman" -- the "crunchy little Superman" line bugs me, and it's downhill from there. "Autumn Sea" -- starts well, hate the spoken word section, which feels like an intruder in what was a promising track. That's really it for me. There are things I'd quibble about (ex: "Wafflehead" - great as a rarity/b-side, why it's closing RESPECT instead of "Bright Fresh Flower" has always been beyond me), but the aforementioned songs are pretty much the only ones I outright dislike. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:28:36 EDT From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: Lost Highway tclark@mac.com writed: >There's a basic premise to Lost Highway? Please explain. Lost Highway is an unauthorized biography of OJ Simpson. (Guy murders his wife, guy tries to be someone else who didn't murder their wife.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:44:05 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Dr. Heckle and Mr. Snide indeed On Wed, 22 May 2002, Maximilian Lang wrote: > What can I say, I was an angry kid. heckling is acceptable if you sit through the entire bad show and then only if they are so bad, they do an encore. then you can heckle because by that time you have probably spent a great deal of money on alcohol. and isn't that something they/it should know? the absolute worst thing is a group of band bitches or bastards cheering an act through an entire bad show. no, i guess even worse than that is the same group of bitch/bastards cheering the same bad performance at the next show. additionally, is it always ok to heckle a national or international act during a band show if they are signed with a major or even minor label? i have seen quite a few international acts heckled off stage during major events in the DFW area at Reunion, the Cotton Bowl, the Bronco Bowl, Dallas Convention Center and Billy Bob's for instance. what if a performer is intoxicated, is it then ok to heckle? at an open mic night a young performer or band, for instance, should not be heckled, but a professional act or performance that is grossly consumated for any reason beyond the performer's control should be heckled with great enthusiasm. hell, even the crusty film gits heckle bad films at cannes, in a slightly more terse manner, but it is still heckling. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:52:30 -0400 From: Keith Hanlon Subject: Re: Chicago / NYC Tree I failed to sign up for this tree. Can anybody help me out? I have a trade list available. Keith At 7:00 PM -0500 5/22/02, Michael Wells wrote: >Just a quick note to say the tree shipments are underway; I'll be mailing the >Chicago show to the trunks tomorrow, and Ferris will be feeding them directly >with the NYC discs. > >Hopefully I can get some art together too, and make it available online during >the next week or so. > >If you're listed in the tree and end up not hearing from your branch, let me >know. And thanks to everyone for being so patient. > >Michael "Moss Elixer's da bomb, dude" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:09:10 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: ferrydylanpublishing oh the competition-- The Dead do Postcards of the Hanging, and now Bryan Ferry also has "Baby Blue" on his new album, plus "Don't THink Twice, It's Alright." Both pretty good, but I still like Robyn's "Baby BLue" better. I like what I've heard of Ferry's Frantic. - --- I think I actually prefer short stories to novels, but I can see why RH is doing one. Publishers seem to prefer novels (they sell better) & say "OK, you can do some stories but you have to give us a novel first." (I recently had a whole bunch of drinks with an old friend who has published lots of stories but is sending around his third unpublished novel.) In the poetry world IMO it's getting to be less & less of a big deal to self publish, but poetry is pretty much out on the fringes. You probably can't get tenure from self-publishing but you can get reviewed in important places. The classic case would be Walt Whitman, who not only published the 1855 Leaves of Grass himself, he reviewed it himself. At any rate, if a book of Robyn short stories came out from Editions PAF, I'd buy it. And I bet it would be enjoyed by people who don't like rock. Ross Taylor "quickly fading photograph in my more slowly fading hands" - --Rilke Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:15:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Legalized Murder and the parallel lives of TC and JB The Quail wrote: I dislike a few, actually: "Ted, Woody & Junior" annoys me because of the melody, and "Legalized Murder" is far too obvious. Funny, I was just listening to Legalized Murder thinking that the melody is exquisite but the words are plebian, Jackson Brownish. I agree with the sentiment, but RH usually does a better job than that. This must be a real raw spot for him because, in Elixirs and Remedies, he ambles onto the topic of capital punishment and finally says, "so why don't we fucking get rid of capital punishment" (or something like that). He's usually not that direct. Back to Sinister But Happy, it's the melody that does nothing for me, not the lyrics. So, Tom Clark of the California Persuasion, what other concerts do you think we both attended? Psychedelic Furs? Elvis Costello? Billy Bragg? Howard Devoto? Jill, whose husband is following GWB to Germany tonight and who is disappointed about missing the demonstrations against our fearless leader ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:23:15 +0000 From: "Sloe Rose" Subject: there is nothing more liberating than a really bad haircut Quail, Thanks for the the link to your Dick write-up. Nicely done-- short but nuanced. And silly me, I'd never thought to connect Mulder's quest for his sister with Dick's. My husband cajoled me into watching the last episode of the XFiles. Damn, I wish that show had gone off the air years ago so we could all hanker back to it with great, unambigious nostalgia for something so fine;-) Miles: >God, I remember Siskel and Ebert both going on about the film version of >THE MOSQUITO COAST, saying to each other (in essence) "I tried and tried >but I just couldn't like Harrison Ford's character, so this movie sucks." >Guess what? You weren't *supposed* to like Harrison Ford's >character! Lest you think that S&E were making some sort of sophisticated >argument about how the lead character *should* be sympathetic and that this >film violated this dictate, they weren't -- instead, they clearly thought >that the filmmakers intended Ford's character to be sympathetic and that >Ford, the writers, and the director had failed at that task. In fact, it >never seemed to occur to them to question their "Harrison Ford = heroic >likable guy" reflexive thinking at all. You are -so- right there. I loved "Mosquito Coast" the book and I though Ford's performance was good in the movie. He -got- the character. I didnt think the movie was quite as great as the book but I thought it was far better than the reception it received deemed it. What pisses me off mightely is it also seems to have been the last movie in which either Ford and Weir really tried to stretch themself. I hate that. I hate the waste of talent Ford appears to have become. I hate that Weir hasn't seemed to blossum further. And--I hate that Theroux seemed to get lazy sometime after that too. Did someone put a curse on that effing movie? Hmm, oh dear, I just remembered River Phonix gave a great performance in there too. Mirrem seems the only one to have escaped unscathed. Weird. Btw--I also agree with Gene about characters having to be sympathetic, but, like for Miles, for me sympathetic dosnt neccisarily mean admirable or likable. It does mean obviously human thou, and it has to feel somehow believable. Many of the too-cool-for-depth characters around today(feckless, aimless, idiotic and somehow just not -there-)dont work for me at all, in books or in movies. I need some blood and guts in them for the story to come alive. Otherwise it is a best a clever and cunning excersise in ... ? But futility is boring, who wants to settle for that? - ---------------------------- Randi: >>I am in a place where I need an agent to get published, but an agent >won't take you on if you haven't published. Nat: >Arrgghhh!!!! The terrible conundrum! I spent all of last weekend reading >books about "how to get your novel published" and tearing my hair out in >despair. I am now bald and my novel is still not published. (Nor is it >completed, for that matter.) Do you think we could talk some agent into taking us on as three for one, since I also am in the same place? Finished in my case but still in need of probobly much tinckering. And thank you Randi for that suggestion bout free-writing. If all 3 of us were bald, would that make a good publicity gimmick;-? Would we stand on the corner of 5th and 57th and sing the -worse- rendition of "Bald Headed Woman " ever, simultaniously playing both the Kinks and the Whos versions at the same time; quote Robyn but call him the BHC, and hand out our 3 novels stapled crookedly together on cheap computer paper. Is this image funny or fucking pathetic? More Nat: >I must write an essay some time about how science fiction is continuously >scorned despite the fact that there is just as much dross in the realm of >mainstream fiction. I would waaayyyy rather read anything by Dick than >some rubbish from the bestseller list, yet Dick is crap because he's SF and said rubbish is "literature" because it's not. Pleeeaaaase do, and please include some middle-brow novels that book reviews praise for their "sensitive writing" (snore, snore zzzzzz) - ------------------ Kenneth, I think everyone who has weighed in likes "Scanner" - -------------------------- And thanks for the bad movie suggestions. I love stuff where the best lines are your own as you insult the screen. - ------------------------- Stewart: >"The Cars She Used To Drive" has never spoken to my condition. Im girl enough to find its blatant castration-anxiety pretty funny. Plus it rocks. Have always always loved "Never Stop Bleeding" "City of Shame""Speed of Thing and "Flesh N1" I used to stand with Drew on hating the "Yip Song" but now that Ive reached that stage of life I realized at the last NY concert I loved it. Complete turn-around because its fufilling a function (sick old parents dying) I am now dealing with . However I still hate "Child of the Universe" "The Fly""The President" and "The Devils Radio." All grate, and the last two are lyrically simplistic. But then, as I have recently proved, I have no musical taste whatsoever:-) - ---------------- Kay, whose rather fond of her hair and telling herself she's not -that- desperate. (Thou, frankly, she is abit proud that she has the chutspah such a thing would take>;-)> But who is also too proud, I think, to do vanity. Either its publishable or it remains an honorable drawer novel and on to the next attempt. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:10:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Hello!? Buffy finale! The Buffy season finale *rocked.* Willow + evil magic + velvet pants + black boots = TV heaven. I am a blathering fan now. I'm hooked and cannot wait for the next season. Here's a great write-up about it at Salon: And the Enterprise finale also rocked, too. Now that's good science fiction, even if people don't think it's Literature. "Star Trek is real. Star Wars is just a movie." -- me . LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:41:27 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: the corners where things lurk da blooz: blues in a you've got a sweet mouth on you baby some other boring blues thing he played once going on forever with too few ideas: ghost ship (full version. no, any version.) lady waters & the hooded one i think _eye_ has an entrant in this category too? intrinsically bad ideas 1974 (a song about boredom? uhh.... but i do like the "ghastly saxophone" line. yes, wafflehead trying too hard and/or the ones that get played *every* *damn* *tour* de chirico street de chirico street balloon man de chirico street i something you de chirico street on the other hand, i LOVE "how do you work this thing" and "the cars she used to drive" and many others that are typically on th emost-reviled lists. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:43:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Hello!? Buffy finale! On Thu, 23 May 2002, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > The Buffy season finale *rocked.* Willow + evil magic + velvet pants + > black boots = TV heaven. Oooh! I loved it too. Willow-centered episodes are usually good, but the finale took the cake! (It also made up for a lot of sub-par mid-season episodes, in my book.) Man, if my hairline was a little farther forward, I'd consider making myself up as Dark Willow next time I hit the goth club. > I am a blathering fan now. I'm hooked and cannot wait for > the next season. That sounds like you might not have seen the earlier seasons. If that's the case, then I'd strongly recommend watching them all *in order* as much as possible. The season 2 DVDs are coming out in the US in a few weeks. Also, FX is showing daily Buffy reruns; right now I think they're into late season 4. - --Chris, collecting mp3s of songs that have been played on Buffy and Angel. Where's my anorak? ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:45:49 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: cat scratch fever At 03:59 PM 5/22/2002 -0700, Tom Clark wrote: >on 5/22/02 2:41 PM, Jason R. Thornton at jthornton@ucsd.edu wrote: > > > There's a PKD short story in one of the collections that reminded me a LOT > > of the basic premise of Lynch's "Lost Highway." > >There's a basic premise to Lost Highway? Please explain. After seeing "Spiderman" last night, I flipped through a couple of PKD short story collections and figured out that the story which I was thinking of is "Retreat Syndrome." As far as the premise goes, both the story and the film center around a man who murders his wife and because of guilt or whatever escapes into a series of fantasy worlds which gradually break down. The PKD character doesn't become another person as Lynch's in "Lost Highway," but he does end up on another world (Terra - the murder took place on Ganymede). But, as in the Lynch film, reality begins to seep into the illusionary world, which is somewhat insubstantial and inconsistent. The shadow reality seems to be a tweak of what really happened, although in Lynch's work the false world takes on a more dreamlike quality with characters from the protagonist's "real life" making appearances as completely different people. Interestingly enough, both have sort of a Moebius strip type structure, with the ending leading back to the beginning - in both cases a scene in which the main character is speeding down a highway, only to be chased or pulled-over by the police. In "Retreat Syndrome," there's at least one really sexist line in the short story about all women being mainly motivated by vanity and jealousy, or something along those lines. A nice little reminder of what dicks Dick's characters could be at their worst. By the way, I liked Spiderman much better than Clones, or LotR for that matter - but that's not necessarily a glowing review, but not a horrible one either. The CG stuff was better integrated with the real-life characters and scenery, but still looked really fake. Tobey Maquire did an excellent job, though. Willem Dafoe, on the other hand, was way over the top and almost silly in his dastardliness. Still, the movie shone in comparison to Lucas's attempt at a story, and after a couple of pints. The romance actually kinda worked in Spider-Man, although a couple of "let me count the ways I love you" speeches seemed forced, went on too long and did nothing for me. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:54:19 -0400 From: *rand - buzup buzup buzup buzup buzup ah ha* Subject: taunting & geting taunted I admit to having been a poor audience member in my past. 1) Howard Jones ~ mid-eighties ~ 2nd row. I threw a stuffed animal to Howard at the stage. My throw was *so* good it hit him smack dab in the face while he was singing I don't throw 'like a girl' but I forgot about that in the excitement. *Anyone* who was at that concert remembers Howard being hit in the head and stumbling. (I threw it with full force pumped up on adrenaline with wicked accurate aim) People are in awe when they find out it was me who perpetrated the heinous crime ... my ultimate taunt ... that was supposed to be a gesture of goodwill. :-{ I cringe and am mortified at the whole incident. 2) I saw "Wham" the first time they played T.O. We had front row seats and were screaming at George Michael the whole time. 3/4 of the way through the concert he lies on the stage ... comes to the end of it ... right in front of me and my friend Heather ... (we were 16) ... looks me right in the eye ... and ... how do I say it ...wagged his tongue at us in a rather suggestive manner. I was so grossed out (big prude then ... though it *was* a jeering move by G.M. ~ nothing sexual about it) ... I made Heather leave. I haven't listened to "Wham" or "George Michael" since. fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi Toronto, Ontario, Canada *what scares you most will set you free* ~ Robyn Hitchcock *by endurance we conquer* ~ Sir Ernest Shackleton p.s. I have "Mossy Liquor" ~ courtesy generous fegs while I was in the hospital ~ but I've never opened it 'cause I don't have a record player. Does anyone have it on cd? I don't have much to trade but I can send blank cds. Email privately s.v.p. Merci :-} ~rls n.p. ~ Moss Elixir in all it's sumptuousness :-} f.y.i. ~ I have "heliotrope soap" And song I would be happy to never listen to again on cd (live might be different but I don't know) ~ "Give It To The Soft Boys" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:51:58 -0500 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: Hello!? Buffy finale! They just finished Season 4 on FX yesterday - - plus Fox is just beginning Season 3 on Saturday afternoons and is in the midst of Season 4 on Sunday nights. Sumi >>> Christopher Gross 05/23/02 11:43AM >>> On Thu, 23 May 2002, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > The Buffy season finale *rocked.* Willow + evil magic + velvet pants + > black boots = TV heaven. Oooh! I loved it too. Willow-centered episodes are usually good, but the finale took the cake! (It also made up for a lot of sub-par mid-season episodes, in my book.) Man, if my hairline was a little farther forward, I'd consider making myself up as Dark Willow next time I hit the goth club. > I am a blathering fan now. I'm hooked and cannot wait for > the next season. That sounds like you might not have seen the earlier seasons. If that's the case, then I'd strongly recommend watching them all *in order* as much as possible. The season 2 DVDs are coming out in the US in a few weeks. Also, FX is showing daily Buffy reruns; right now I think they're into late season 4. - --Chris, collecting mp3s of songs that have been played on Buffy and Angel. Where's my anorak? ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:02:07 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Shel Talmy For all you Shel Talmy fans, there is an interesting interview with Shel at: http://www.richieunterberger.com/talmy.html Apparently as well as the early Kinks and Who records, he produced a lot more hits than I ever realised, including 'Charmaine' for the Bachelors, 'Tobacco Road' for the Nashville Teens, the Mike d'Abo era Manfreds hits and 'Friday on My Mind' for the Easybeats. He also produced Pentangle - very strange. But no mention in the interview of the Sorrows records, which I liked very much. More info at: http://www.sheltalmy.com/discography.htm http://ubl.artistdirect.com/music/artist/bio/0,,499828,00.html?artist=Shel+Talmy - - MRG PS In case you hadn't guessed, I'm one of those people who think that the 3 Talmy-produced singles (Can't Explain, Anyway Anyhow Anywhere, and My Generation) are the best stuff the Who ever recorded. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:30:17 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Legalized Murder and the parallel lives of TC and JB - -- Jill Brand is rumored to have mumbled on Donnerstag, 23. Mai 2002 11:15 Uhr -0400 regarding Legalized Murder and the parallel lives of TC and JB: > Jill, whose husband is following GWB to Germany tonight In what function? >and who is > disappointed about missing the demonstrations against our fearless leader Well, looks like there wasn't much. I watched the speech on TV, which was about as bad as I would've expected. The cameras were pretty firmly fixed on the people from the big parties who clapped after every frigging sentence! Only afterwards did they show the PDS and some of the Greens, who ostentatiously *didn't* clap. About the speech itself: does anybody believe that Bush had ever heard about Dietrich Bonnhoeffer or St. Francis before he read their names in his script?? Greetings, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:58:38 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: well then At 07:40 PM 5/22/2002 -0400, Jill Brand wrote: >Since everyone but me and one other person loves Sinister But Happy, are >there any RH songs that people don't like? I like "Sinister" too... sorry. Off the top of my head, I can't really think of any Hitchcock tunes that I strongly dislike, except maybe that dull instrumental off of Mossy Liquor. There are a couple that I probably feel rather indifferent about, but at the same time find listenable in the right context or I don't mind hearing infrequently - and since I don't listen to RH on a daily basis, that's not usually problem. "Lady Waters & The Hooded One" never really did much for me. Oh, the spoken bits of "Man with the Lightbulb Head" bug the hell out of me, but I like the chorus. Like many, I hated "The Yip! Song" at first, but eventually it grew on me. But the Storefront version doesn't have enough oomph. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:09:16 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: heckling and a heckle on 5/22/02 6:42 PM, dmw at dmw@radix.net wrote: > back when suzanne vega was a cult sort of thing (pre luka) she used do > question & answer bits in her shows (kinda like david bazan from pedro the > lion does now). one wag hollered: > > "will you marry me?" > > (tiny beat) > > "probably not," she said, in that a-martini-could-never-be-as-dry-as-me > voice. Okay, that reminds me of another one. Around four years ago Motley Crue came to Apple for some stupid reason (a lot of bands use Macs and seem to want to come to Cupertino to pay homage). They held a big Q&A session at the outdoor amphitheater and almost the entire campus showed up. Along with the shouts of "where's Pam?" and "you guys ROOL!", someone yelled out "When are you guys gonna rock like you used to?". Vince just kinda smiled and said something like "You just wait". Still waiting, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:03:01 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: reap Artist Niki de Saint Phalle, 71. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:10:37 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: reap Jason R. Thornton wrote: > > Artist Niki de Saint Phalle, 71. she made some nice monsters, but ruined the front of the Glasgow Museum of Modern Art (formerly Stirling's Library) with a rather tacky mirror mosaic. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:18:26 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: A good year for music! I was just thinking that so far it's been a great year for music! Making a near-mid-year top ten is easy: 1. Elvis Costello, "When I Was Cruel" 2. Tom Waits, "Alice" 3. Rush, "Vapour Trails" 4. Wilco, "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" 5. Tom Waits, "Blood Money" 6. Trey Anastasio, "Trey Anastasio" 7. Luna, "Romantica" 8. Van Morrison, "Down the Road" 9. Neil Young, "Are You Passionate?" 10. Shane MacGowan & the Popes, "Across the Broad Atlantic" Yaaaay, 2002! - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:39:46 -0700 From: "victorian squid" Subject: Re: well then On Wed, 22 May 2002 19:40:09 Jill Brand wrote: >are there any RH songs that people don't like? Legalized Murder Devil's Radio- both of these too preachy/obvious for me Viva SeaTac- stale on arrival and hasn't improved with age Gene Hackman- funny the first time, unfortunately, that was many many MANY times ago Luminous Rose- like some of the lyrical ideas, but wow, it sure does drooooonnnnne onnnnnnn Evil Guy- musically it's boring and lyrically it's really thin, I have no idea why it was revisited during the reunion tour. what peeves me even more about it is that -this- one got resurrected and not the far cooler "Hangin' Out With Dad". Blues in A- I can't believe this didn't get taped over once everyone sobered up Two I actually like but wish would be retired from the live repertoire for awhile: Cynthia Mask Queen Elvis loveonya, susan Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:06:41 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: taunt pis I wasn't there & it wasn't really a taunt, but I often think about New Order's first US gig, I guess also 1st w/out Ian. Bernie announced "There are only four of us here because one of us is dead." The audience didn't know what to make of that & so laughed. Bernie spat "It's not a joke and it's not funny" & they launched into Ceremony. I once saw Richard Butler get hit w/ what looked like women's underware at 9:30. Someone once threw a milkshake at Jonathan Richman & he took off his shirt "to give you a better target." (He always found some excuse to take off his shirt.) Patty Donohue of the Waitresses did this cute thing of, during the sax break in "I Know What Boys Like," shaking hands w/ her male admirors & I saw her get pulled off stage. My own band experience was very protected, but at the same time we probably deserved most of what we did get. Worst: Our hippyish swing band (Squirrel Nut Zippers etc.) accidentally got booked into a biker bar (actually the owner was trying to change the place). Painted very professionally by the front door: NO COLORS. NO INSIGNIA. NO WEAPONS. Early on a couple of big uglies got up on stage & harrassed us, particularly the drummer. He looked Mod & they told him "stop playing like a girl" & pushed him around. He just kept up doing his Keith Moon plays swing thing. We felt trapped on stage during break, but I had to pee. One of the big uglies was at a urinal so I went in a stall. He kept saying menacing disconnected stuff like "so what's on the menu NOW?" & I made noncommittal replies. Hurrying out I saw he was on his cell phone. This was four years ago, & it seemed to odd to see a mutant biker on a cell phone. I'm sure others here had more exciting times. Ross Taylor "come on people now, smile on your brother" Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #169 ********************************