From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #168 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, May 23 2002 Volume 11 : Number 168 Today's Subjects: ----------------- audience taunts [Jill Brand ] well then [Jill Brand ] Re: punk, sf, PKD [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Moss Elixir [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: well then [Stewart Russell ] Re: well then [Jeff Dwarf ] Chicago / NYC Tree ["Michael Wells" ] Re: babar / well then ["Michael Wells" ] Re: audience taunts [Tom Clark ] heckling and a heckle [dmw ] Dr. Heckle and Mr. Snide ["Michael Wells" ] randi writing related [*rand - buzup buzup buzup buzup buzup ah ha* ] Re: audience taunts [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] to beat the blues, don't watch the news [drew ] Dickorama [JH3 ] Re: well then [glen uber ] Re: Publishers. ["Brian Hoare" ] Bottom of the pops ["matt sewell" ] Re: Dickorama [dmw ] Re: randi writing related [mary ] Re: every day i get another sympathy card ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: well then [The Great Quail ] Phillip K Dick Tunes ["Chad Patterson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:38:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: audience taunts Someone asked what the best taunt that people had heard from the audience was. The funniest thing I ever heard happened close to 16 years ago (Jeeesus) at a Smiths concert. The story is long, so scroll away. In August 1986, the Smiths played their last (I think) tour of the States. I went to see them at what was then called Great Woods (and what is now called the Tweeter Center, I believe). The opening act was Phranc, the Jewish lesbian folk singer (this is how she has always introduced herself). She had a crew-cut and a folk guitar and tried to piss people off. My friend Bart thought that she looked like Emilio Estevez, and I agreed. After about three songs, Bart said, "I bet she does Dylan next." She did Dylan next. Then it was sing-along time. We were all asked to sing in response "I don't like female mud-wrestling." I think her Jewish side liked the response part - all those long nights at seders. Well, Boston rock fans (especially Smiths fans) being what they are, everyone politely mumbled along, though I can't say that they were too enthusiastic about it. We just wanted to see Morrissey real bad. We now switch the scene to the Pier in New York City a few nights later. I had come down to see what would be my last Smiths show ever (a moment of silence for a tear......OK, I'm back). My friend Steven, who took me to my first ever rock concert when I was 15, was with me. On comes Phranc. I say to Steven, "Doesn't she look like Emilio Estevez?" Steven says, "I don't know who the hell Emilio Estevez is, but she sure looks like Martin Sheen." And then comes the mud-wrestling. I don't know if someone had warned the New Yorkers in advance, or if there was some Jungian connectivity going on, but when Phranc sang "I don't like female mud-wrestling," almost the entire audience responded as one with "Fuck you!" This went on for the entire song, after which she promptly left the stage. I was laughing so hard I had the hiccoughs for about an hour afterwards. Maybe you had to be there. If you know who Phranc is, do you know what she is doing now? I recently found out that someone did a documentary on her because she has given up her former life and now is an award-winning Tupperware salesperson. No lie. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:40:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: well then Since everyone but me and one other person loves Sinister But Happy, are there any RH songs that people don't like? Jill, grooving on an inner plane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:43:20 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: punk, sf, PKD >I too have long considered The Who the True Proto-Punk band. well, there's that "famous rock legend" (which is probably true) about Glenn Matlock (IIRC) running into a very drunk Townshend in a pub somewhere in London... seems that the Who were some form of major influence for early Britpunk. >> he preferred "literature" to "science fiction." > >There's still a certain snobbery about not accepting science fiction as >literature in the UK. It's just not what one reads, or is seen to read. sadly not just in the UK. And note the number of times movies that are science fiction are packaged as 'futuristic action' or similar - anything to stop them being called the dreaded s.f. How would David Lynch go at directing a PKD? I get the same feeling of intense 'not-right-ness' from both of them, in terms of sinister things afoot offscreen in their work. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:43:48 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Moss Elixir All this talk of Moss Elixir has made me dig out my copy for the first listen in months. So here's my review :) Overall, like other recent albums, it sounds more relaxed and confident. That means that there is a distinct lack of the edginess of some of the earlier work. Neither are the songs as bouncily brash or even as quirky as previous efforts. But if you're hunting for a "Brenda's Iron Sledge" or an "Uncorrected Personality Traits" you're not likely to be putting on Moss Elixir anyway. But this isn't to take away from the beauty of much of the album. It almost feels like one of the better A&M albums (Globe of Frogs, maybe), yet it's done that without much more added instrumentation than normal - only the plaintive violin adds to the usual Robym mix to any great extent. Or perhaps this is the album that Robyn was aiming for and failed way back with Gravelly Doco (certainly '52 stations' would fit well on Moss Elixir). And for the most part the songs work beautifully. If I had one qualm about the album it's that the most eccentric lyrics (Elinorac, You don't have to call me Stalin, De Chirico St, etc) sound forced. But when he's not pushing it, the lyrics are beautiful and poignant (including "Sinister...", the song which started this whole discussion). Listen to the first verse of Beautiful Queen, for instance. And the instrumentation is sumptuous. As I type this, I'm listening to the guitars and violin playing off each other at the end of "I am not me", and I've already heard the beauty of Heliotrope, Alright yeah, Filthy bird, and the much underrated The speed of things - plus my personal favourite, the sumptuous "Beautiful Queen". I must admit, however, that I prefer the ragaesque Mossy Liquor version of this song: the fact that it works so well in both different versions though is perhaps some indication of the song's power (The Moss and Mossy versions, BTW, remind me respectively of The Muttonbirds' "Your window" and Nick Drake's "Cello song"). Oh, and as to waiting until summer for it, it works beautifully on this wet autumn morning. James PS - looks like Jason beat me to the Lynch suggestion. C'est la vie. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:51:44 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: well then Jill Brand wrote: > Since everyone but me and one other person loves Sinister But Happy, are > there any RH songs that people don't like? "The Cars She Used To Drive" has never spoken to my condition. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:58:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: well then Jill Brand wrote: > Since everyone but me and one other person loves Sinister But Happy, > are there any RH songs that people don't like? > > Jill, grooving on an inner plane no, i really like that one. songs i __really__ don't like: Never Stop Bleeding Flesh Number One ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:00:36 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Chicago / NYC Tree Just a quick note to say the tree shipments are underway; I'll be mailing the Chicago show to the trunks tomorrow, and Ferris will be feeding them directly with the NYC discs. Hopefully I can get some art together too, and make it available online during the next week or so. If you're listed in the tree and end up not hearing from your branch, let me know. And thanks to everyone for being so patient. Michael "Moss Elixer's da bomb, dude" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:21:23 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: babar / well then chas observes: > there is nothing more liberating than a really bad haircut. This is probably the most profoundly insightful thing I've heard in the last six months. jill asks: > Since everyone but me and one other person loves Sinister But Happy, are > there any RH songs that people don't like? I could certainly live quite happily not hearing "City of Shame" of "Face of Death" ever again. Moss Elixer, on the other hand, is always elbowing to be my favorite RH album. Pure bliss, the full-spectrum Robyn. Stewart parries: > (FX: Looks downstairs at the enormous KBA and Heidelberg presses thrumming away) > Yes, there are. There are indeed. Run while you still can, Stewart; Heidelbergs cost too much and tend to eat pressmen. At least try and convince them to buy ManRolands instead. Michael "yes, I'm in the commercial printing field - why do you ask?" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:58:20 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: audience taunts on 5/22/02 4:38 PM, Jill Brand at jlbrand@bu.edu wrote: > In August 1986, the Smiths played their last (I think) tour of the States. > I went to see them at what was then called Great Woods (and what is now > called the Tweeter Center, I believe). The opening act was Phranc, the > Jewish lesbian folk singer (this is how she has always introduced > herself). Yet another show that Jill and I unknowingly attended together! > We now switch the scene to the Pier in New York City a few nights later. > when Phranc sang "I don't like female > mud-wrestling," almost the entire audience responded as one with "Fuck > you!" This went on for the entire song, after which she promptly left the > stage. Reminds me of the King Crimson show I saw at the Pier in '82. The Alley Cats opened up and almost the same thing happened. They had some song with a BAM-BAM-BAM part and whenever that part came around the entire audience rhythmically gave them the finger (it was still daylight). They didn't last long after that. - -t "Relationship? Fuck that!" c ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:42:35 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: heckling and a heckle back when suzanne vega was a cult sort of thing (pre luka) she used do question & answer bits in her shows (kinda like david bazan from pedro the lion does now). one wag hollered: "will you marry me?" (tiny beat) "probably not," she said, in that a-martini-could-never-be-as-dry-as-me voice. (mebbe you had to be there) On Wed, 22 May 2002, Brian Hoare wrote: > Spielberg added the sentimental ending. Incidently IW is a fan of Burton's > PotA. Fug. All I can think of when I look at this is "Burton's Pain of the Ass." But clearly not "betel," "ed scis," or "nightma." Fug. I did like "ed wo," though. and is "IW" a homophone of "eww!" ? purse of the apes plight of the agile prick on the anterior put on the airs pry off the artery pure olive trick airplane fug fug fug fug fug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:26:45 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Dr. Heckle and Mr. Snide Probably my favorite in person was Lyle Lovett; shortly after his bustup with Julia Roberts he played the Rialto in Joliet, IL. Out of a particularly boisterous and vocal crowd (for Lyle) there came raining down from the back balcony a derisive cry of "Where's Julia?." He let it hang out there for a few beats, then deadpanned "She's EVERYWHERE, man." My favorite on tape is a tie: a) one of the Grant Lee Hitchcock shows, where RH declines to honor a request by saying "we'll play that one for you afterwards, in your car...(then quietly) but only once you've entered the Beltway" or b) Ted Nugent dedicating "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang" on 'Double Live Gonzo.' On a side note, RH rather cheekily dedicated "I Feel Beautiful" to Arafat and Sharon at the show here last month. And if I only had a dollar for everytime a band has said "this one's for YOU Chicago." What, me personally? Why thanks. Me and the 20,000 other people here. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:43:48 -0400 From: *rand - buzup buzup buzup buzup buzup ah ha* Subject: randi writing related Hi, Waaay off-topic. I've got to be quick 'cause I'm not on my computer ... but if anyone can help me with ideas / suggestions / leads of places to write for and publish magazine type articles ... online or print ... I will be forever in your debt. I'm great at music ... pop culture ... medical stories ... and I know how to do research ... so I can write about a variety of subjects. I'm trying to take a *Magazine Publishing* post-grad degree and the requirements are stiffer than I thought and I have to get in to the course but I may not have enough "writing published" to show by August. Okay ... thanks muchly and back to your regularly scheduled Robyn / feg programming. fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi Toronto, Ontario, Canada *what scares you most will set you free* ~ Robyn Hitchcock *by endurance we conquer* ~ Sir Ernest Shackleton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:06:40 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Dr. Heckle and Mr. Snide My own heckle to Yo La Tengo when they were opening for another act(I forget who) at Maxwell's in 1990 or so. Learn A Trade...Perhaps welding! Yes, I was drunk and no I do not regret it, the were awful. It was just the two main Tengos and one of them who shouldn't have been playing guitar was. What can I say, I was an angry kid. no longer angry or heckling, Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:06:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: audience taunts On Wed, 22 May 2002, Jill Brand wrote: > Someone asked what the best taunt that people had heard from the audience > was. Not from the audience, but from the stage: We were at an R.E.M. concert on either the _Lifes Rich Pageant_ or _Document_ tour - they were still playing smallish halls back then - and when we arrived at the venue, we found our seats occupied by the soundboard. After finding a manager-type person, we were ushered to some very choice seats, about third or fourth row center. So we were in prime position to hear little onstage off-mic chatter. Anyway, some idiot directly behind us keeps jumping up and down and yelling to the band "party at my house afterwards! R.E.M.! Party! C'mon - can you guys join us?" This went on for nearly the first half of the show, when finally Peter Buck leans over and says to the clown, off-mic: "Shut up - we wouldn't go to your fucking party if you paid us." Y'know - a southern gentleman... (Not that I blame him in this case!) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:27:24 -0700 From: drew Subject: to beat the blues, don't watch the news > From: The Great Quail > > By the way, if I may make a personal plug, I co-authored a biography > about Philip K. Dick: Wow! No, seriously. It's probably about time I read one, and now I know which one to watch. > From: Miles Goosens > At 08:01 AM 5/22/2002 -0700, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: >> A good point. I am the type of person who feels the need to >> *sympathize* > with >> a character in order for narrative (in film or fiction) to be >> successful. > > I have never felt this need at all. If a film or book has quality > writing, > I don't have to like or relate to any character to enjoy it. I'm somewhere in the middle of these two viewpoints. I don't have to like or empathize with any character in a narrative to enjoy the narrative, but it helps, and if the narrative's impact depends even in part on my "siding" with anyone I have to be able to stomach their point of view. For example, _Say Anything_ is not a terribly enchanting movie if you aren't just tickled to death by Lloyd Dobler and able to fall in love with Ione Skye's character. I wasn't tickled, I thought Skye was cuter in _Four Rooms_, so the endearing squareness and complexity of the characters did very little for me. Overempathy doesn't work for me either -- if the character is too much like me (or is supposed to be too much like me), I'm turned off too. I'm happiest with characters who leave me somewhat ambivalent and give me plenty to think about. > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > whatever that Orson Scott Card thing is about the kid supposedly playing > video war games who's really fighting the actual war. I loved that book but never could get more than two or three pages into the sequel. As for Piers Anthony, well, every book is pretty much like every other book, except that some of them have more sex in them and some of them have less. Lots of them have puns in them that some people evidently think are cute. I think sometimes the worst thing an author can do is be in tune with her fans. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 01:01:49 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Dickorama Just in case anyone thinks I'm ignoring all this talk about my fave author, I'll just say that I'm personally partial to Now Wait for Last Year, Counter-Clock World, and Clans of the Alphane Moon. I'd explain why, but it might take too much time. And, of course, almost any male-lead role in a PKD (or PKD- inspired) movie should always go to Patrick Warburton. True Collectorweenie Story: I found a copy of the first Ace solo printing of Solar Lottery (his first novel) for only $0.15 back in 1996... And turned down an offer of $30 less than a month later. And that was pre-eBay! Imagine if it had been the original "half-split" printing -- I'd probably have my own private jet by now. Or maybe a cup of coffee at Starbuck's... Finally, DVD enthusiasts would be well-advised to avoid "The Gospel According to PKD" disc that can sometimes be found in the "Miscellaneous" section of your local Tower Records. Crass exploitation, IMO. And y'know, you *would* think Robyn Hitchcock would have at least read The Zap Gun. Still, if he doesn't have a copy of at least one of the three works included in "The Unhinged World of Glen Baxter," I'd be pretty surprised. And on a semi-unrelated note: >There's a basic premise to Lost Highway? Please explain. Well, as I've said before on this very list, it's just another one of those run-of-the-mill "guy gets manipulated (possibly by Robert Blake himself, but with no eyebrows) into apparently murdering his wife and goes to prison where he mysteriously gets replaced with a totally different guy who then goes on to have a deadly affair with the wife's mob-moll look-alike or possibly twin sister" movies. Nothing especially unusual there, eh? Typical Hollywood fodder, if you ask me... John "plate of shrimp" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:19:29 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: Re: well then Jill earnestly scribbled: >Since everyone but me and one other person loves Sinister But Happy, are >there any RH songs that people don't like? > >Jill, grooving on an inner plane Off the top of my head: Speed of Things Lysander (Just the album version; I love it when he plays it solo live, though) Luminous Rose Freeze You've Got a Sweet Mouth On You, Baby When I Was A Kid Tonight The Fly Sweet Ghost of Light - -- Cheers! - -g- "In nature, there are neither rewards nor punishments -- there are Consequences." - --R.G. Ingersoll glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:09:50 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: Publishers. > >Check out Xlibris.com. It just may provide the publishing solution > >you've > >been searching for. > >Hrm. It's a vanity press, and I don't have even $500 to spare right now, >let alone $1600. > >There's a major stigma against vanity presses - the idea being, if your >book >isn't good enough to be published by a *real* publisher, you turn to a >vanity press. But of course, just because an agent and an editor deem your >book good, doesn't mean it's really good. But there's prestige attached to >jumping that extra hurdle. Do I care? Well... yes. Unfortunately. I >reckon that a few dozen rejection letters might cure me of that, though. > >I think I'd better just concentrate on finishing my novel first. > >n. I know what you mean about the vanity press/real publisher divide. Between them there are small publishers who do the job properly (handle artwork, printing, supply to distributers, don't charge a start-up, pay royalties etc) but can't give the support or prestige that the big players can. Sarah's novel ( The Crow Maiden, Cosmos Books ISBN 1587153246 (PB), 1587153270 (HB)) eventually found a home with Cosmos Books after many rejections from major publishers and agents. True they use POD, which essentially covers them for books that sell poorly, but the quality is very good. They've invested capital so they need a good product. Even after you've got the thing published you've got to get it sold. CM can be got via Amazon, Books-a-Million and the like but we haven't got one into a shop in the UK, although we have heard of sightings in some US stores. CM's had a couple of good reviews recently in The Third Alternative and Realms of Fantasy. Weird Tales, I am told, in the current issue notes its existance saying something along the lines of it showing that big publishers don't always get the best books For a taste of her writing look at: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/cassilago.htm http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/ravelling.htm Good luck to you and other scribing fegs. Its a lot of hard and often frustrating work, especialy if you play by the submit to one publisher at a time rules, lots of waiting, hassling for responses, manuscripts in bizarre voids for months. I hope it works out for you in the end. brian - sitting directly to the left of nuppy. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:44:03 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Bottom of the pops Mmkay... RH songs not much to my taste: Which of us is me? (starts well, goes wrong) Rock'n'roll Toilet (Funny once) Look into your mirror (nice riff, not such a good song) Let's go thundering (too bland) Elizabeth Jade (I can't quite explain why - I've just disliked it since I first heard it live+accoustic) I wish I liked you (standard blues, pretty much standard lyrics) I'm sure there are a few others, but it has to be said that for over 10 albums, fewer than 10 tracks isn't bad going! Cheers Matt >From: Jill Brand >Reply-To: Jill Brand >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: well then >Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:40:09 -0400 (EDT) > >Since everyone but me and one other person loves Sinister But Happy, are >there any RH songs that people don't like? > >Jill, grooving on an inner plane - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 07:18:08 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Dickorama On Thu, 23 May 2002, JH3 wrote: > >There's a basic premise to Lost Highway? Please explain. > > Well, as I've said before on this very list, it's just another one > of those run-of-the-mill "guy gets manipulated (possibly by > Robert Blake himself, but with no eyebrows) into apparently > murdering his wife and goes to prison where he mysteriously > gets replaced with a totally different guy who then goes on to > have a deadly affair with the wife's mob-moll look-alike or > possibly twin sister" movies. Nothing especially unusual > there, eh? Typical Hollywood fodder, if you ask me... funnily enough, i been kicking recent lynch flicks around in an alternate space lately. i think it's a real mistake to try to crunch them into a space that allows you to say "this happened. then this other thing happened." they just aren't built to do that, and by trying to make them do that you're missing a great deal of what makes them charming and/or interesting. in my very-seldom humble opinion, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 07:28:08 -0400 From: mary Subject: Re: randi writing related At 10:43 PM 5/22/2002 -0400, the amazing randi wrote: >I've got to be quick 'cause I'm not on my computer ... but if anyone can >help me with ideas / suggestions / leads of places to write for and >publish magazine type articles ... online or print ... I will be forever >in your debt. Here are some links for sites that possibly offer freelance writing assignments. Most are for companies in the United States though, but I would think that boundaries and borders shouldn't count: http://www.mediabistro.com/ http://www.craigslist.org - be sure to check out all the different cities http://www.entertainmentcareers.net/sbjobs/ http://www.guru.com http://www.elance.com Hope this helps Randi. s.Mary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 06:11:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: every day i get another sympathy card > From: Miles Goosens > > that you're going beyond "sympathize" as "understand why a human might > behave this way," which I might agree with, to "sympathize" involving a > greater degree of identification and shared feelings, which I don't > require. Bam! Thanks, Miles, you nailed it for me. Also, what I think I was trying to say is that I think so many characters in movies nowadays just don't seem to accomplish anything. Sometimes it's good ("The Big Lebowski") and sometimes that's bad ("Bottle Rockets"). I think the "Rich Guys in Trouble" movie and TV schtick is wearing thin. > Guess what? You weren't *supposed* to like Harrison Ford's > character! I agree completely with your sentiment. I find well-portrayed, despicable characters refreshing. But yeah, a lot of people don't get it . When I walked out of the theater stunned, after watching "American Beauty," a crowd of well-to-do teen suburbanites were gathered around asking each other, "What was that movie about?" "It was about you," I thought. . LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 06:12:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Meta-Ubik How about a film *about* the life of PK Dick, starring Brad Dourif? The Quail could write the screenplay, Tommy Cruise could produce it, and Mr. Spielberg could film it. And be sure to get Harold Shore to score it. . LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:44:01 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: well then Jills, >Since everyone but me and one other person loves Sinister But Happy, are >there any RH songs that people don't like? I dislike a few, actually: "Ted, Woody & Junior" annoys me because of the melody, and "Legalized Murder" is far too obvious. I am also less than fond of "I Something You," but I do like the title and the idea of the song. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:52:58 -0400 From: "Chad Patterson" Subject: Phillip K Dick Tunes While we are on the subject, I thought I might expand it a little bit. If yr itching for some PKD inspired music I would suggest that you pick up Sonic Youth's "The Sister LP". SY claim that the music and lyrics were inspired by Dick and actually dedicated the album to him. It was subsequently named album of the year by the Phillip K. Dick Society. The album actually turned me on to PKD way back in '86 when I was just a teenager. In retrospect, I think the overall vibe of the album is much more reminiscent of Dick's style rather than there being any direct references between the two. The album was recorded at Sear Sound in NYC which used to be (not sure if it is still around) an entirely analog recording facility. This lends the album a rather PKD detached warmth that plays well off of the dissonant sound structures SY were whipping up with their guitars. "Sister" is where SY began to fashion the noisescapes of their past works (not to discredit the pure joy of the altogether different "Bad Moon Rising" or the sinister "EVOL") into something completely beautiful. They furthered that cause on the album that followed: "Daydream Nation". One of the '80's American Underground's finest efforts (dedicated to German painter Gerhardt Richter). ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #168 ********************************