From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #167 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, May 22 2002 Volume 11 : Number 167 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Moss Elixir ["Mike Wells" ] Re: philip k ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] da blues ["Walker, Charles" ] babar ["Walker, Charles" ] time for a joint ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: philip k [The Great Quail ] every day i get another sympathy card [Miles Goosens ] what is reality?? ["Natalie Jane" ] Chicago Rush Tickets (0% RH tickets) ["Mike Wells" ] Re: what is reality?? [Stewart Russell ] Re:Moss Elixer ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: what is reality?? ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: what is reality?? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: time for a joint [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: what is reality?? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: what is reality?? ["Kenneth Johnson" ] Re: time for a joint [Miles Goosens ] Re: cat scratch fever ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: what is reality?? [Stewart Russell ] Re: what is reality?? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: Books. red and movies. ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: cat scratch fever [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:46:46 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Moss Elixir Stewart: > Don't knock dried herbs. My most epiphanic listening of Moss Elixir > involved a handful of dried herbs, if you know what I mean ;-) Herbs de Provence? Image of the week: my 3 year old son, who with his twin sister is now fully addicted to the "Brenda of the Lightbulb Eyes" video collection (thanks Chris!), opening a book like a lampshade over his head and wandering around the house singing "Man With the Lightbulb Head" without a stitch of clothing on. Fortunately they're still young enough where I don't have to explain Robyn toking up during the video, though... Kay: >or watch a really stupid senseless movie I think thats what I need. Any suggestions? One I can combine with senseless yelling and alchohol. "Slap Shot." Michael "no stems, no seeds that you don't need" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 08:01:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: philip k From: drew > Nah. Dourif's too freaky. Dick protagonists are weird and > paranoid but they're pretty straight-up guys into the bargain. > You wouldn't root for Dourif like you would for Cruise. A good point. I am the type of person who feels the need to *sympathize* with a character in order for narrative (in film or fiction) to be successful. Generally. I find that a lot of the characters in popular culture nowadays are unsympathetic, aimless, and feckless, so I haven't experienced a lot of successful storytelling lately. But then, in A.I. I sympathized with the obsolete robots that (who?) were destroyed during the carnival fair. As least there was someone (something?) to sympathize with. . LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 08:07:45 -0700 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: da blues What do other Fegs do to beat the blues away? chas in LA replies: I go out and stand on a random corner on a clear day in the bright Los Angeles light for about 15 minutes. that seems to do the trick - solar healing. http://www.theweeklywalker.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 08:27:42 -0700 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: babar there is nothing more liberating than a really bad haircut. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:04:07 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: time for a joint > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > On Wed, 22 May 2002, drew wrote: > >> Time Out Of Joint (a.k.a. The Truman Book) > >> that one through the goalposts? If Jim Carrey can be a >> Philip K. Dick protagonist, Tom Cruise can. > > While _The Truman Show_ certainly has its Phildickian aspects, I don't > think it was actually based on anything of his - certainly not TOOJ, > from > which it differs even more significantly than _Balde Runner_ from _Do > Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?_. But not so significantly that when I read it I didn't go, "oh my god, this is the fucking Truman Show!" The core concept is extremely similar, and a film version of Time Out of Joint would now be considered a ripoff, I think. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:11:11 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: philip k By the way, if I may make a personal plug, I co-authored a biography about Philip K. Dick: http://www.TheModernWord.com/scriptorium/dick.html He's really had a most...unusual life. Drew writes, >and I LOVED: >A Scanner Darkly My favorite. >Sometimes I like his prose but most of the time I >think it's pretty plain. I like his ideas and his _fire_ >more than his writing. His prose is plain -- and beautifully so, I think. It is very direct, almost effortless; and yet he writes some sentences that just stick with you. (Especially his aphorisms, such as "A man is an angel that has become deranged," or "The Empire never ended.") >How funny -- I had this feeling Thewlis would come up. I just can't >bear to look at him anymore after TOTAL ECLIPSE, but aside from >that, my objection would be the same as my objection to Brad Dourif: >they're just too creepy. There's no real tension in making a man like >that paranoid and freaked out I see your point about Dourif, but I still think Thewlis would be good. Not *all* Dick's characters start normal and end up paranoid -- many of them, like Dick himself, have been trying to figure out why they've been crazy for a long, long time. Especially in his later, more gnostic works.... Nice points about Tommy Cruise, though, thanks. Simon writes, >I once had the opportunity to ask Robyn what he thought about Philip K. >Dick.....He replied, that he hadn't read any of his books -- that he >preferred "literature" to "science fiction." Shudder. As someone else mentioned, that particular prejudice, while universal in Western criticism, is especially pronounced in England. France, Germany, and to a lesser extent, the US, have been overcoming this unfortunate bias.... - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:18:59 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: every day i get another sympathy card At 08:01 AM 5/22/2002 -0700, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: >A good point. I am the type of person who feels the need to *sympathize* with >a character in order for narrative (in film or fiction) to be successful. I have never felt this need at all. If a film or book has quality writing, I don't have to like or relate to any character to enjoy it. I take it from your next comment >I find that a lot of the characters in popular culture nowadays are >unsympathetic, aimless, and feckless, so I haven't experienced a lot of >successful storytelling lately. that you're going beyond "sympathize" as "understand why a human might behave this way," which I might agree with, to "sympathize" involving a greater degree of identification and shared feelings, which I don't require. I mean, good for the writers if they can hit that chord with me, but I don't need it to be entertained, and it certainly is no prerequisite for me to deem a movie, film, or song "successful." Related Rant Directed Not At Anything Gene Said In Particular, But At An Example It Made Me Think About: God, I remember Siskel and Ebert both going on about the film version of THE MOSQUITO COAST, saying to each other (in essence) "I tried and tried but I just couldn't like Harrison Ford's character, so this movie sucks." Guess what? You weren't *supposed* to like Harrison Ford's character! Lest you think that S&E were making some sort of sophisticated argument about how the lead character *should* be sympathetic and that this film violated this dictate, they weren't -- instead, they clearly thought that the filmmakers intended Ford's character to be sympathetic and that Ford, the writers, and the director had failed at that task. In fact, it never seemed to occur to them to question their "Harrison Ford = heroic likable guy" reflexive thinking at all. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:13:30 -0400 From: "Ultimate Goal" Subject: Re:Moss Elixer Kay- Thanks for the info on Raymond Hitchcock's cancer book. I decided to get it even before I ask for advice (foolish me). A bunch of his other books are available used at amazon.com for reasonable prices. - ------------------ Moss Man! Yep, I'm a fan of Sinister But Happy. Love the words and the tune. I was very happy when he played it with Kimberley Rew in Ferndale, MI back in 1999. On that tour he added the french verse, whatever that was. Actually I'm a pretty big fan of the whole Moss Elixer era. It's one of my favs. 2nd to BSDR (not including Soft Boys stuff). I'll never understand why he left the elegant Surfer Ghost off it. The last track on Moss (what the hell is the name?) in one of my heart touched favorites and has become a signature song in my relationship with my girlfriend. I feel Robyn really matured from Respect to Moss. - -------------------- Stewert: >Don't knock dried herbs. My most epiphanic listening of Moss Elixir >involved a handful of dried herbs, if you know what I mean ;-) I have no idea what you're talking about, but please pass it to the left. That's where I'm sitting. - -Brian (You'll see one in every car. You'll see) Nupp _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:45:06 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: what is reality?? >I will never forget the moment I inserted the "Moss Elixir" cd into >my >player. Mmm. Me like "Sinister But She Was Happy." A great song and a great beginning to the album. It reminds me of when I first heard ME after my disasterous trip to England in '97 - I remember listening to it on a rainy day in May as I recovered from jet lag. >I am in a place where I need an agent to get published, but an agent >won't take you on if you haven't published. Arrgghhh!!!! The terrible conundrum! I spent all of last weekend reading books about "how to get your novel published" and tearing my hair out in despair. I am now bald and my novel is still not published. (Nor is it completed, for that matter.) >Hmmm. I think _Ubik_ was one of the ones I liked, >but I find myself reacting kind of unevenly to Dick's >novels. I re-read "Ubik" recently and it just depressed me... all that stuff about entropy and the world falling to pieces. "A Scanner Darkly" is also pretty damn depressing - though interesting, because Dick intended it as an anti-drug novel, but it also functions quite effectively as a satire of the war on drugs. I read "Three Stigmata" a long time ago but don't remember it. Apparently John Lennon was very keen on it and wanted to make it into a movie. "Flow My Tears" is OK. "Dr. Bloodmoney" is kind of uneven - I disliked the depiction of the limbless guy as being evil because of his handicap. "Time Out of Joint" is good (and it really is similar thematically to "The Truman Show"). "Androids" is good, "Man in the High Castle" is brilliant though flawed (friendly peaceful Japanese conquerors? Had he ever heard of the Rape of Nanking?). I don't remember much of "Martian Time-Slip" - I think I liked it. And "Galactic Pot-Healer" is just... weird. But my absolute favorite is "Valis." Because it's sad and beautiful and unfortunately mostly true. That ending just gets me every single time. Even Sonic Youth likes "Valis" ("I'm keeping my commission to faith's transmission"). >I once had the opportunity to ask Robyn what he thought about Philip >K. >Dick.....He replied, that he hadn't read any of his books -- that >he >preferred "literature" to "science fiction." Oh, what a fucking jackass. He likes J.G. Ballard but turns up his nose at "science fiction"? I must write an essay some time about how science fiction is continuously scorned despite the fact that there is just as much dross in the realm of mainstream fiction. I would waaayyyy rather read anything by Dick than some rubbish from the bestseller list, yet Dick is crap because he's SF and said rubbish is "literature" because it's not. Ursula Le Guin said that she wants Dick out of the SF ghetto and on the shelf next to Dickens where he belongs. You tell 'em, Ursula! n. p.s. If there are any Portlanders still subscribed (I think it's down to me and Susan), y'all might be interested in this: http://gracies.org/48hr/ Some nutballs are trying to film and edit a movie in 48 hours this weekend, and they need help. It sounds like a hoot - I'll be there... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:47:01 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Chicago Rush Tickets (0% RH tickets) (to the few fellow Rush heads onlist, sorry to everyone else...) Looks like I'm going to have two extra tickets for this summer's Rush tour stopping in Chicago on Saturday, July 20. The seats are near the back pavillion by the soundboard, so the show should look and sound pretty good from there. Contact me offlist if interested. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:02:01 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: Re: what is reality?? Natalie earnestly scribbled: >>I am in a place where I need an agent to get published, but an agent >>won't take you on if you haven't published. > >Arrgghhh!!!! The terrible conundrum! I spent all of last weekend reading >books about "how to get your novel published" and tearing my hair out in >despair. I am now bald and my novel is still not published. (Nor is it >completed, for that matter.) Check out Xlibris.com. It just may provide the publishing solution you've been searching for. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Start your own revolution and cut out the middle man." - --Billy Bragg glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:26:38 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: what is reality?? glen uber wrote: > > Check out Xlibris.com. It just may provide the publishing solution you've > been searching for. caveat: read discussion archived on groups.google.com first. They look to me like an updated version of vanity publishing. I'd check on their site, but it appears blank right now. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:28:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re:Moss Elixer I must say I've been finding the list to be very enjoyable lately--all the Rush news, surreal prose, the P.K. Dick discussions, and thoughts on one of my favorite RH albums, Moss Elixir. Thank you feglist, for being you! > Moss Man! > Yep, I'm a fan of Sinister But Happy. Love the words and the tune. I was > very happy when he played it with Kimberley Rew in Ferndale, MI back in > 1999. On that tour he added the french verse, whatever that was. > > Actually I'm a pretty big fan of the whole Moss Elixer era. It's one of my > favs. 2nd to BSDR (not including Soft Boys stuff). I'll never understand why > he left the elegant Surfer Ghost off it. The last track on Moss (what the > hell is the name?) in one of my heart touched favorites and has become a > signature song in my relationship with my girlfriend. > > I feel Robyn really matured from Respect to Moss. Moss is the last of Robyn's albums that I enjoy singing along to, and listening to over and over, a phase which eventually stopped. I haven't listened to it for a year, but now its time to buy a bunch of Dick's books and pop ME in the stereo. Enough Me-tooing, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:30:36 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: Re: what is reality?? >Check out Xlibris.com. It just may provide the publishing solution >you've >been searching for. Hrm. It's a vanity press, and I don't have even $500 to spare right now, let alone $1600. There's a major stigma against vanity presses - the idea being, if your book isn't good enough to be published by a *real* publisher, you turn to a vanity press. But of course, just because an agent and an editor deem your book good, doesn't mean it's really good. But there's prestige attached to jumping that extra hurdle. Do I care? Well... yes. Unfortunately. I reckon that a few dozen rejection letters might cure me of that, though. I think I'd better just concentrate on finishing my novel first. n. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:51:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: what is reality?? On Wed, 22 May 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > They look to me like an updated version of vanity publishing. Right. Of course, there's a spectrum from purely exploitative vanity publishing to self-publishing, and xlibris (and others on the web) are somewhat closer to the side of the angels than traditional vanity presses. That is, they don't make you buy some huge number of copies, and they only go to limited lengths in trying to convince you that you're about to be a big famous author. However, I imagine you're vastly overpaying for the service you get, and the people who buy your book will be doing so as well. There are pure printing presses out there, right? I suppose if you do that you aren't listed with Amazon, thereby quashing rock star dreams, but you'll still have nicer books to sell than if you print out copies at work and have them tape-bound at Kinko's. [This is what I did with my NaNoWriMo novel, because it wasn't too good but a few family members demanded copies.] a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 15:56:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: time for a joint On Wed, 22 May 2002, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > > While _The Truman Show_ certainly has its Phildickian aspects, I don't > > think it was actually based on anything of his - certainly not TOOJ, > But not so significantly that when I read it I didn't go, "oh my god, > this is the fucking Truman Show!" The core concept is extremely > similar, and a film version of Time Out of Joint would now be > considered a ripoff, I think. Yep - it would be considered a ripoff of both _The Truman Show_ and whatever that Orson Scott Card thing is about the kid supposedly playing video war games who's really fighting the actual war. I sure hope Dick's heirs are getting royalties on both of those... - --Jeff Jeffrey Norman, Posemodernist University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of Mumblish & Competitive Obliterature http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:02:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: what is reality?? On Wed, 22 May 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > >Hmmm. I think _Ubik_ was one of the ones I liked, > >but I find myself reacting kind of unevenly to Dick's > >novels. Sorry - I forgot who actually wrote what I'm responding to. Anyway: the thing about Dick is, when you consider the circumstances under which most of his novels were writtent, it's a miracle they're readable at all. First, he was chronically desperate for money, so he had to whip out paperback cheapies for Ace and the like at incredible speed. Second, he apparently had a very weird compositional style: he'd plan the whole thing out in his head, and then type in a mad (often amphetaminated) frenzied rush. That was generally it. And then of course, depending on your interpretation, the later years found his mental state considerably altered, both from outside and otherwise. Part of me wonders how much more brilliant his books could have been had he been able to write them under more conducive conditions...another part thinks that part of their brilliance arises from the circumstances of their writing. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: __Robert Desnos__ np: The Dentists _Deep Six_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:18:41 -0700 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: Re: what is reality?? i've been meaning to check out more Dick ;-) beyond Do Androids... can someone who has read more of him recommend? cheers Kenneth >From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >Reply-To: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >To: "It's Not Just the Size of a Walnut" >Subject: Re: what is reality?? >Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:02:03 -0500 (CDT) > >On Wed, 22 May 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > > > >Hmmm. I think _Ubik_ was one of the ones I liked, > > >but I find myself reacting kind of unevenly to Dick's > > >novels. > >Sorry - I forgot who actually wrote what I'm responding to. Anyway: the >thing about Dick is, when you consider the circumstances under which most >of his novels were writtent, it's a miracle they're readable at all. >First, he was chronically desperate for money, so he had to whip out >paperback cheapies for Ace and the like at incredible speed. Second, he >apparently had a very weird compositional style: he'd plan the whole thing >out in his head, and then type in a mad (often amphetaminated) frenzied >rush. That was generally it. > >And then of course, depending on your interpretation, the later years >found his mental state considerably altered, both from outside and >otherwise. > >Part of me wonders how much more brilliant his books could have been had >he been able to write them under more conducive conditions...another part >thinks that part of their brilliance arises from the circumstances of >their writing. > >--Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > >J e f f r e y N o r m a n >The Architectural Dance Society >www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html >::the sea is the night asleep in the daytime:: >__Robert Desnos__ > >np: The Dentists _Deep Six_ Kenneth ****** "When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" --Eleanor Roosevelt "I love America more than any other country in the world and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually." - -- James Baldwin "What does it matter to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?" -- Mahatma Gandhi _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:40:28 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: time for a joint At 03:56 PM 5/22/2002 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >On Wed, 22 May 2002, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > >> > While _The Truman Show_ certainly has its Phildickian aspects, I don't >> > think it was actually based on anything of his - certainly not TOOJ, > >> But not so significantly that when I read it I didn't go, "oh my god, >> this is the fucking Truman Show!" The core concept is extremely >> similar, and a film version of Time Out of Joint would now be >> considered a ripoff, I think. > >Yep - it would be considered a ripoff of both _The Truman Show_ and >whatever that Orson Scott Card thing is about the kid supposedly playing >video war games who's really fighting the actual war. "Ender's Game," the short story that became a novel that according to CNN today is going to become a movie. My problem in forming specific complaints about movies that rip off SF stories (these same films are usually hailed by the mainstream press as "daringly original") is that I rarely remember titles and authors of the thousands of SF short stories that I read in my teens. So I'll see THE TRUMAN SHOW and know that there's four or five things from which it's stealing, but I'm not able to say "it's L. Camp Heinlein's classic 'Boolean Omnichrono Synchronicity,' from the July 1962 issue of SUPER AMAZING UNBELIEVABLE YARNS." Speaking of "joint" and dicks, one of the acts we inadvertently saw at Nashville River Stages a few weeks ago was new R&B singer Res (pronounced "Reese"). During her set, she set a new high score for faux hipster jive, introducing every damn song as a "joint." "Wait till you hear the groove in this joint!" "Y'all gonna like this joint..." etc. etc. Plus after about one minute of a ballad, she yelled out "Nashville, WHERE ARE YOUR LIGHTERS?" As tired a cliche as raising a lighter at a rock show has become, isn't that something that the audience is supposed to do on its own, i.e., something earned rather than demanded? Strangely, her set closed with a very faithful cover of AC/DC's "Back in Black." I kid you not. Here's some quick movie reviews: STAR WARS EPISODE II: ROUT OF THE CLONES: sucks SPIDER-MAN: rocks Actually, the best Star Wars review was the Hollywood 27's marquee: STAR WARS EPISODE II ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:41:59 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: cat scratch fever At 10:49 PM 5/21/2002 -0700, Natalie Jane wrote: >Re. Spielbastard and Horselover Fat, I say that the only director who >could *really* make a great P.K. Dick movie is Stanley Kubrick. I think David Lynch could make a seriously disturbing PKD film, and would probably do a wonderful job capturing a lot of those PKDickian elements such as the paranoia exhibited by his characters, the idea of a recurring illusionary "reality" veiling a true reality, the hilarious and often absurd events coupled with the horrendous and terrify, the focus on entropy, the inhumanity of bureaucracies, the exploration of what exactly makes us human, etc. And he's done sci-fi before. Arguably not as well as he's handled other genres, but I think the things he did right with "Dune" could work well in a PKD movie. Dick's novels are a lot less "epic" and sweeping in scope than Herbert's, and a Lynch directed PKD film could end up being a lot more focused than "Dune" was. There's a PKD short story in one of the collections that reminded me a LOT of the basic premise of Lynch's "Lost Highway." So much so that I looked for PKD credits when the film came out. Don't remember which one, or even why exactly, right now. On the whole sci-fi as "literature" thread, there's an interesting alternate reality novel out by Michael Bishop titled "Philip K. Dick is Dead, Alas," in which the parallel-universe PKD is well-known, respected author of "serious literature." His sci-fi novels were only published underground, as they were found subversive to an evil Nixon regime. Don't think I'll ever consider Piers Anthony "literature," though, sorry to say. Jason "i can't remember it for you at full price" Thornton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:02:18 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: what is reality?? Aaron Mandel wrote: > > xlibris (and others on the web) are > somewhat closer to the side of the angels than traditional vanity presses. I wouldn't necessarily say that being on the web is a sign of being any more moral than not. > However, I imagine you're vastly overpaying for the > service you get, and the people who buy your book will be doing so as > well. Last time I costed it, it was about US$15/copy to do a short-run book at 800pp, softback. Can't remember what the minimum print run was; about 100, IIRC. > There are pure printing presses out there, right? (FX: Looks downstairs at the enormous KBA and Heidelberg presses thrumming away) Yes, there are. There are indeed. Stewart - -- Gandalf Graphics Limited, Markham, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:22:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: what is reality?? On Wed, 22 May 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > I wouldn't necessarily say that being on the web is a sign of being any > more moral than not. No, of course not. I was speaking sloppily -- the only vanity-like outfits I've seen on the web charge a few hundred bucks to start with, and then some retail-like fee per book printed. This strikes me as less extortionate than what I've heard of other older vanity presses which have a mandatory minimum order. That doesn't mean these recent print-on-demand places are a good service, but, as I said, there's a spectrum. > Last time I costed it, it was about US$15/copy to do a short-run book at > 800pp, softback. Can't remember what the minimum print run was; about > 100, IIRC. Unless I'm misunderstanding, xlibris has no minimum print run. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:45:51 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Books. red and movies. >From: "Sloe Rose" >Glen: >>or watch a really stupid senseless movie > >I think thats what I need. Any suggestions? One I can combine with >senseless >yelling and alchohol. Color of Night, so bad it's funny (IMHO). Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 15:59:31 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: cat scratch fever on 5/22/02 2:41 PM, Jason R. Thornton at jthornton@ucsd.edu wrote: > There's a PKD short story in one of the collections that reminded me a LOT > of the basic premise of Lynch's "Lost Highway." There's a basic premise to Lost Highway? Please explain. - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #167 ********************************