From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #166 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, May 22 2002 Volume 11 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Breeders [Mike Swedene ] Re: i can't believe tom cruise is in my subject header [Eleanore Adams ] like a kind of spider half-inclined to free you [*rand - buzup buzup buzu] cat scratch fever ["Natalie Jane" ] philip k [drew ] more dick [drew ] more dick ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #165 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] (no subject) [SIMON50@aol.com] Robyn and Phil [SIMON50@aol.com] Re: AI/PKD ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: Moss Elixir ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: who remembers ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Moss Elixir [Stewart Russell ] RE: i can't believe tom cruise is in my subject header ["Bachman, Michael] Re: Robyn and Phil [Stewart Russell ] Re: Robyn and Phil [Michael R Godwin ] football rules, Tom Cruise, and Clones [Jill Brand ] Re: Sinister? Happy? [gSs ] Re: philip k [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Books. red and movies. ["Sloe Rose" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:35:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Breeders Breeders new album came out today TITLE TK first album in 9+ years. They are also on Conan tonight (Tuesday). FYI Herbie np -> BANDWAGON by REM ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:24:33 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: i can't believe tom cruise is in my subject header If you rent the DVD of AI there is a second disk with a documentary. I watched it, but can't remember details. Steve and Kubrick had been working on it together for 20 years, back and forth. e On Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 08:09 PM, steve wrote: > On Tuesday, May 21, 2002, at 07:02 PM, Maximilian Lang wrote: > >> From everything I have heard Kubrick had the same ending, Stevie added >> nothing. > > Spielberg wrote the screenplay for A.I. after Kubrick died. Ian Watson > worked on one, but I don't know how complete it was. > > > - Steve > __________ > Members of the Christ Community Church in Alamogordo, N.M., burned > Harry Potter books, Star Wars items and works by Shakespeare and J.R.R. > Tolkien, USA Today reported. Pastor Jack Brock called the Potter books > "a masterpiece of satanic deception [that teaches] children how they > can get into witchcraft." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:39:55 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: feetured well boy houdy - look who's a featured artist at http://allmusic.com/ - doesn't seem to be any extra feature though... - -- http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 01:07:35 -0400 From: *rand - buzup buzup buzup buzup buzup ah ha* Subject: like a kind of spider half-inclined to free you I will never forget the moment I inserted the "Moss Elixir" cd into my player. The strains of violins came through first, and I, *I*, was speechless. The violin was haunting and beautiful and I couldn't imagine how Robyn was going to integrate himself into that world. In the next four seconds the bass joined in ... copying the violin's movements Then the bass guitar took on more form as the violin cascaded through my emotions. The build up ~ bass and violin ~ each leading on the other ... The music built up slowly, as music builds in good songs. And for me ~ when I heard the violin and guitar double each other again ~ I knew it would climax into the bliss of Robyn's words as soon as I heard the first two notes of guitar chimes in. G-d I love the lyrics ... (as i perceive them) ... and the images they conjure. *she was sinister but she was happy basically she was the 'jeanne moreau' type sinister but she was happy sinister but she was always pleased to see you and her living words ... were her dying words she said: "yeah" she was sinister but she was happy with a cheery smile and poison blowpipe sinister but she was happy like a kind of spider half-inclined to free you her lopsided grin made it so hard to win she said: "all right you are ... and your promises ...are just promises but a sinister little wave of a hand goes a long, long way in these troubled times" she was sinister but she was happy and you can't say that of everybody can you? sinister but she was happy like a chandelier festooned with leeches and she rolled along 'til she came on strong and she said: "all right you are and your promises are just your promises but a sinister little wave of a hand goes a long, long way in these troubled times."* I will go on record with Jill; and say I've always been in love with this song. Perhaps my frame of mind that day ;-} Perhaps the anticipation of a new Robyn release ... Perhaps seeing Robyn injecting a new direction into his music ... I love that song. Now Kay ... if I'm really blue ... what do I do. Wallow in it ... then stream of consciousness writing usually helps me end up in another place. Still blue sometimes ... but a fresh place is usually better than the stagnant one. *Randi advice*. I *always* have pen and paper in my purse for these times. And since I'm often *surprised* into the hospital ~ words are easier to take with me and use immediately than is music, a film, a book, or anything else material anyway. And Ross T., I agree with you about Robyn's writing. I am in a place where I need an agent to get published, but an agent won't take you on if you haven't published. The fact Robyn and Michele picked an agent is good ~ Michele is an incredibly balancing influence on our Robyn. I hope (Steve T.) that the woman editing Robyn's prose was editing his earliest draft though it seems odd if it were just a couple of months ago. I hope Michele won't let the book go if it were to be a big mish-mash of thoughts as opposed to a narrative that we call a *novel*. On the job front ... That's why I write ~ 'cause I'm still to ill to hold down a job. How about some freelance work Kay? That's what I do ... in film and video when I'm healthy ... and now hopefully writing now that I'm not so well. fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi Toronto, Ontario, Canada *what scares you most will set you free* ~ Robyn Hitchcock *by endurance we conquer* ~ Sir Ernest Shackleton *your promises are just your promises* ~ Robyn Hitchcock p.s. does anyone have a copy of Sarah McLachlan's song *Prayer of St. Francis*? it's off 'surfacing' ~ the import version. thanks :-} ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:49:55 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: cat scratch fever (I've been trying to send this all day. If it turns up on the list a zillion times, then just tie me down and force me to listen to "Fruit Nut" or read Robyn's novel.) >>But yeah, I think >>XTC's rockin' days are far behind them... rockin' just doesn't work >>for >>a studio band. > >The Beatles: "Revolution", "Helter Skelter", and "Birthday" seem to >defy >your comment. Perhaps I should modify it, then. "Rockin' just doesn't work for a band that hasn't played live for twenty years." I mean, the Beatles had only a studio band for two years at the time they recorded those songs... clearly they remembered how to rock, as did XTC when they recorded "Reign of Blows," "Wake Up," etc. My favorite stage dedication: I've probably told this story before, but when I saw the Apples in Stereo in Ann Arbor, someone in the audience was inexplicably screaming, "THE NUUUUGGGE!" Robert Schneider said nervously, "Uh, OK, this next one is for the Nuge." Maybe we should start a thread of our favorite heckles. The best one I've heard of - I wasn't actually at the show - was someone screaming at the Olivia Tremor Control, "You smell like soap!" My own favorite is not exactly a heckle, but when I saw Quasi a couple of years ago, the band went through about five false starts on one song because Sam Coomes couldn't find his pitch. Someone shouted, "YOU CAN DO IT, SAMMY!" (And he could.) (I suppose a whole sub-thread of audience responses could involve "I love you, Tori!" type stuff. But it would be pretty nauseating.) Re. Spielbastard and Horselover Fat, I say that the only director who could *really* make a great P.K. Dick movie is Stanley Kubrick. He'd do a fucking AMAZING version of "Valis." Man, death's a bitch, ain't it? gnat "the Empire never ended" the gnatster _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:13:54 -0700 From: drew Subject: philip k > From: Jill Brand > Anyone else somewhat lukewarm about She Was > Sinister but She Was Happy? It's one of my favorite Robyn songs, and one of the only ones my girlfriend actually asks me to play. :) > From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." > > I recently finished "Ubik" -- the only PKD novel I've read so far. Man > oh man > can PKD write a sentence. His prose and vocabulary are stunning. Hmmm. I think _Ubik_ was one of the ones I liked, but I find myself reacting kind of unevenly to Dick's novels. I liked: Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Ubik Time Out Of Joint (a.k.a. The Truman Book) I didn't like: Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said The Man in the High Castle (I know, I don't understand why not) Valis (well, it was okay) and I LOVED: A Scanner Darkly Sometimes I like his prose but most of the time I think it's pretty plain. I like his ideas and his _fire_ more than his writing. I never knew there was such skepticism about "little Tommy Cruise" as my mom calls him. I think he's going to be just fine, if not really impressive. Remember how wrong he was for Lestat, and how he just fucking drop-kicked that one through the goalposts? If Jim Carrey can be a Philip K. Dick protagonist, Tom Cruise can. > Brad Dourif would have *rocked* in "Minority Report." Nah. Dourif's too freaky. Dick protagonists are weird and paranoid but they're pretty straight-up guys into the bargain. You wouldn't root for Dourif like you would for Cruise. I wouldn't, anyway. > From: Miles Goosens > Thank you, thank you, thank you! Cruise is utterly incapable of > projecting > any sort of inner life, I can't really agree. > Daniel Day-Lewis is an actor who could have adroitly conveyed that kind > of inner > turmoil behind a stoic exterior. Why not just throw in Jeremy Irons while you're at it? I'll tell you: because both Irons and Day-Lewis (ugh ugh ugh) are always playing those roles. And they would have been incredibly boring for that very reason. To me, of course. I'm not saying Cruise is a fantastic actor, but I guess I'm a lot more satisfied with him than a lot of you are. > FWIW, the only movie where I've ever thought Cruise did a capable job > was > in JERRY MAGUIRE, where he essentially played himself: a vacuous > playboy > striving to become a Real Live Boy, to become more than just a toothsome > smile in a sportscar. Oh please. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:31:24 -0700 From: drew Subject: more dick > From: The Great Quail > Two actors I would love to see play Dickian protagonists: Ed Norton & > David Thewlis.... How funny -- I had this feeling Thewlis would come up. I just can't bear to look at him anymore after TOTAL ECLIPSE, but aside from that, my objection would be the same as my objection to Brad Dourif: they're just too creepy. There's no real tension in making a man like that paranoid and freaked out; it's like Nicholson in The Shining, he's nuts from the get-go, there's really no place to go (though I must admit that it didn't hurt the film too badly). > From: "ross taylor" > IMO Dick > protagonists are interior, but they're not > Hamlets. THere has to be enough "well, then on > to the next thing" ordinariness about them for > us to wonder which one is really the exploding > robot. Thank you -- that's what I was trying to get at. Well put. As for Do Androids? vs. Blade Runner -- that's just it, I'm not sure the spirit rang true. I think they were both excellent works but very distinct from one another, even more so than the comic version and the film version of Ghost World. Cameron Crowe: I seem to recall that I liked one of his films, but I can't remember which one it was. I think Say Anything is one of the most overrated films I've seen, and I am sick to death of the way everyone kisses John Cusack's ass for playing the same character in EVERY film (except for Being John Malkovich, which was a little miracle in many ways) while we continue to see way too little of his sister. Everyone agrees I have weird taste in movies. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:35:16 -0700 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: more dick > From: The Great Quail > Two actors I would love to see play Dickian protagonists: Ed Norton & > David Thewlis.... How funny -- I had this feeling Thewlis would come up. I just can't bear to look at him anymore after TOTAL ECLIPSE, but aside from that, my objection would be the same as my objection to Brad Dourif: they're just too creepy. There's no real tension in making a man like that paranoid and freaked out; it's like Nicholson in The Shining, he's nuts from the get-go, there's really no place to go (though I must admit that it didn't hurt the film too badly). > From: "ross taylor" > IMO Dick > protagonists are interior, but they're not > Hamlets. THere has to be enough "well, then on > to the next thing" ordinariness about them for > us to wonder which one is really the exploding > robot. Thank you -- that's what I was trying to get at. Well put. As for Do Androids? vs. Blade Runner -- that's just it, I'm not sure the spirit rang true. I think they were both excellent works but very distinct from one another, even more so than the comic version and the film version of Ghost World. Cameron Crowe: I seem to recall that I liked one of his films, but I can't remember which one it was. I think Say Anything is one of the most overrated films I've seen, and I am sick to death of the way everyone kisses John Cusack's ass for playing the same character in EVERY film (except for Being John Malkovich, which was a little miracle in many ways) while we continue to see way too little of his sister. Everyone agrees I have weird taste in movies. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:52:47 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #165 >>Thank you, thank you, thank you! Cruise is utterly incapable of >>projecting any sort of inner life, and those scenes were agonizingly >>boring. Daniel Day-Lewis is an actor who could have adroitly >>conveyed that kind of inner turmoil behind a stoic exterior. Alice would no doubt like me to type the name Ralph Fiennes in here. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 04:03:03 EDT From: SIMON50@aol.com Subject: (no subject) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 04:08:42 EDT From: SIMON50@aol.com Subject: Robyn and Phil I once had the opportunity to ask Robyn what he thought about Philip K. Dick.....He replied, that he hadn't read any of his books -- that he preferred "literature" to "science fiction." I would have thought that someone who writes surrealist poetry masquerading as rock and roll would be a little more open to the subversion of the mainstream (literature) by genre practioners (science fiction), but there you go..... Simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 08:21:26 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: AI/PKD James: >Re Scandinavian folk, all I can say is - Hedningarna!!! I have them playing Forshyttan, happy music. Vase and Johan Hedin are mining the same vein. In a more modern style Garmana and Sorten Muld may be worth investigating. Firfot have lovely Maddy Prior like vocals. Steve: > > From everything I have heard Kubrick had the same ending, Stevie added > > nothing. > >Spielberg wrote the screenplay for A.I. after Kubrick died. Ian Watson >worked on one, but I don't know how complete it was. Ian worked on the screenplay with Kubrik for a number of years. The ending is Kubrik's, Gigolo Joe (very popular with cinema going Japanese women I am told) is Watson's. The flesh fair is Spielberg's. IW is pleased with the final version but is a bit miffed about the constant suggestion that Spielberg added the sentimental ending. Incidently IW is a fan of Burton's PotA. >I think the next movie should be Eye In The Sky or The Three Stigmata Of >Palmer Eldritch. But finding the proper director could be a problem. The Three Stigmata is one of my favourites. I re-read it last year along with Time out of Joint. I read a lot of PKD a long time back, just read them straight after each other and they've mostly blended in my memory into a PKD feel. I wasn't so keen on the later stuff like VALIS, High Castle or the straight novel The Man Whose Teeth Were Exactly Alike. The Transmigration of Timothy Archer was good. Thinking about it Time out of Joint or The Penultimate Truth would make good films. brian np Doc at the Radar Station "All nice things are good for you" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 10:59:50 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: Moss Elixir Jill wrote: >I listened to Moss Elixir today for the first time in about a year. It >sounded real good. When I don't love the first song off a record, I >sometimes ignore the whole recording for a while although it is easy >enough to start with track 2. Anyone else somewhat lukewarm about She Was >Sinister but She Was Happy? I find it hard to want to play it these days. My initial impression was that the album was a bottle of Chartreuse. There are some great songs on the album. My faves are probably Speed of Things and DeChirico Street. There's something about it that seems to drag, Sinister, D.Radio, Filthy Bird all seem a bit dreary. Something's missing fun? contrasts? passion? When I look at it instead of seeing the Chartreuse I see a handful of dried herbs. I'll try it again if summer brings us a string of hot, bright, sunny days. brian _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 05:56:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: who remembers From: "ross taylor" > The Who did cover Dancing in the Streets for > the BBC, but the Kinks version is my all-time > fav, over the Vandellas & anyone else. Hmm, I think that's on the "Who The Fuck" bootleg LP, too. I listened to my copy a few days ago. The song "The Good's Gone" fcking destroys, too. Shame they didn't do more with that one. I have to bring up Van Halen's cover of Streets, too. "Diver Down" is a real favorite of mine, and now that summer is upon us, I've been listening to it a lot lately. > My daughter had to do a musical skit against > smoking for her health class, so I played her > "Little Billy." I think cancer coupled w/ > those choirboy "ha-ha ha-ha"'s gave her a new > understanding of punk. Wow, that's cool. "Little Billy" is one of my fave Who tunes. That "Glow Girl" --> "Little Billy" sequence on "Odds & Sods" rools. I usually fast forward to "Naked Eye" after that. I too have long considered The Who the True Proto-Punk band. . LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:21:10 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Moss Elixir Brian Hoare wrote: > > When I look at it instead of seeing the Chartreuse I see a > Don't knock dried herbs. My most epiphanic listening of Moss Elixir involved a handful of dried herbs, if you know what I mean ;-) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:17:32 -0400 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: i can't believe tom cruise is in my subject header Randi wrote: >I detested "Rain Man" ~ to me it was a poor version of "Dominick and >Eugene" and *I've* loved Dustin Hoffman ever since I saw "Marathon Man", >and I thought both Tom and Dustin ( like I'm on a first name basis with >them 8-} ) were awful. Randi, I feel the same regarding "Dominick and Eugene". Tom Hulce and Ray Liotta performances were both better than Cruise and Hoffman's as well as the movie being better. D and E is also available on DVD now. I gave my VHS copy to my sister aftert I got the DVD. Cheers, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:23:21 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Robyn and Phil SIMON50@aol.com wrote: > > he preferred "literature" to "science fiction." There's still a certain snobbery about not accepting science fiction as literature in the UK. It's just not what one reads, or is seen to read. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:43:36 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Robyn and Phil On Wed, 22 May 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > There's still a certain snobbery about not accepting science fiction as > literature in the UK. It's just not what one reads, or is seen to read. Isn't this true elsewhere? After that Radio 4 poll which voted LotR the top read of the 20thC, our local library deliberately moved all the Tolkien books off the main shelves into the "S-F / Fantasy" ghetto. However, those idiotic Duncton books remain firmly in the mainstream "literature" along with masses of Frederick Forsyth and Barbara Taylor Bradford drivel. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:56:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: football rules, Tom Cruise, and Clones Glen wrote: "However, if it's the kind of blues brought on by the Raiders getting knocked out of the playoffs because of a stupid rule that makes an apparent fumble an incomplete forward pass, copious amounts of yelling and alcohol in any combination seems to do the trick rather well." We here in Boston rather liked that rule. Of course, none of us knew about it until the refs reviewed the play, but we decided that it was just fine. My friend Gregg thought the game was over when Brady fum...I mean, didn't complete his pass, so he went outside to shovel snow (you probably remember the conditions under which that game was played) and came back in to find the game over with the Patriots on their way to Pittsburgh. As for Tom Cruise, Rainman is the only movie that I've ever liked him in (I haven't seen Magnolia). He goes from being a self-absorbed bastard to being a credibly concerned brother. There is change; there is developmnet. In every other movie I've seen him in, he just seems to be Tom Cruise playing Tom Cruise. And to the topic of Attack of the Clones (but wouldn't Rout have been better?), I'm doomed to see it this weekend. I hope that it isn't worse than Phantom Menace. I've seen PM in bits and pieces about a hundred times (that translates to "I have a 10 and a 13 year-old"), and I'm astonished at the cavalcade of wonderful actors being horribly, horribly wooden and empty. I saw Velvet Goldmine the night before seeing Phantom Menace, and I kept myself awake in the theater imagining Ewan McGregor doing a different dance with the light saber. The thought of more Jar Jar "Steppin Fetchit" Binks is enough to give me shingles. HOWEVER, all you special effects wankers should rent the Phantom Menace DVD because the bonus disc has an hour-long "The Making of" documentary which is way way way better than the movie itself. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:00:10 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Sinister? Happy? On Tue, 21 May 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > all join a potato peeler's co-op and trade shiny lovers at lunch. > > "Trade shiny lovers"? > > Isn't that from a Gary Numan song? it started as the shiny lovers rural co-op 1113 for marxist swingers. now it's part of a song, but not a gm song. anyway, good for gary. who is gary numan? %-) i did a search on 'trade shiny lovers' and got 718 hits, all of which are archive links from this list. actually, that's not true. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:11:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: philip k On Wed, 22 May 2002, drew wrote: > Time Out Of Joint (a.k.a. The Truman Book) > that one through the goalposts? If Jim Carrey can be a > Philip K. Dick protagonist, Tom Cruise can. While _The Truman Show_ certainly has its Phildickian aspects, I don't think it was actually based on anything of his - certainly not TOOJ, from which it differs even more significantly than _Balde Runner_ from _Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?_. I just realized I typed "Balde" instead of "Blade." "Balde Runner" - starring, uh, Sting? (only if he gets it in the end) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::The more you drive, the less intelligent you are:: __Miller, in REPO MAN__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:26:57 +0000 From: "Sloe Rose" Subject: Books. red and movies. Quail: >Heh. And "Ubik" is perhaps my least favorite of his well-known >novels. I think his best are: "The Man in the High Castle," "Through >a Scanner Darkly," "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep," "Flow My >Tears the Policeman Said," and the VALIS trilogy.... I find all his stuff uneven. "Scanner Darkly" is my fave cause, well, it resonates with how I feel bout some of the drug casualities Ive known, and in terms of some of my own expereinces with drugs. For me its emotionally the deepest. Cant read the end without crying. I also like the one set on Mars . I read all of Dick at once, so my memory melds all the titles and plots together, which with Dick, works. - -------------------- Can Portman act or not? Who cares. She's too lovely for it to matter;-) - ----------------- >don't know if I consider Solo an "everyman" but I've had a similar thought since Episode I. The protagonists in the first film weren't totally ordinary but they interacted and reacted to their situation in realistic, emotional, and often amusing ways. Thou I havent seen 2 Ive seen 1 , 4, 5,and 6 so I'll throw this in. The original bunch overacted in just the right way. They overacted with verve, utter desperation and wtf attitude that carried the material thru its lamess moments. They had an almost old-fashioned childishness that worked with the gee-wizzness of the plot. This gave the thing organic unity, a wiff of human content. Energy. Which, for me, was what was lacking in 1, and for my husband, in 2. Superhuman is never fun. - ------------------------ Glen: >or watch a really stupid senseless movie I think thats what I need. Any suggestions? One I can combine with senseless yelling and alchohol. - ----------------------- Ross >Plus there is usually an emotive element in his stuff that's not there in lots of avant-guard writing, like Mark Leyner IMO. Thank you for articulating one reason why I'v a hopeful intuition a novel of Robyn's could work. Its not just the fluidity of words and power of invention(which are vast and marvelous, but by themselves not enough), its the emotional truths embedded in all that. Most avant guarde stuff is much colder than Robyn's work. - ------------------------- jFFry: >Well, he sold his own inner life to L. Ron Hoover* many years back, so it >kind of follows... Intelligence and insight do not work with with being a >Diuretic*... * names may have been altered to avoid lawsuits. Like L.Ron Hoover. How about Enron Hoover;-) BTW--having had a childhood friend who had half her head cut off by a windmill, and was then horribly exploited by these assholes, Im quite jollified to see all the wonderfully disparaging comments about them. - ------------------------------------- Nup, Ive read Raymond Hitchcock's cancer book. Its about cancer, so, not exactly a laugh a minute. I think its how I know Robyn's mom is from a Friends background. Very little Robyn content. Alot about alternative therapies and how well they work, which in hindsight is abit sad. Also about, well, opening up emotionally, I think. I read it quite awhile ago. Ive nevr been able to get my hands on the Venus or Archangel ones. --I used Interlibrary Loan, didnt buy, why dont you try that for the cancer book? - -------------------------------------- JFTR in Interiera Da-sein Red rooms are great, just like using red as the background for a really bright gaudy chintz. If youre doing red walls thou, and dont have the money for many lacquer layers, use shiny red paint, otherwise the red dulls out. - ----------------------------- Kay(who wants to paint the compter room shiny red with white trim but is lazy. However, I planted some red dianthus which will knock your eyes out.) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #166 ********************************