From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #164 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, May 21 2002 Volume 11 : Number 164 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Satan's web address/prog-rock dork story [] I don't want no [Jill Brand ] Re: prog-rock dork story ["Michael Wells" ] Re: I don't want no [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: A special nice game [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: The Minority Report [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: RIP ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: This One Goes Out To ["Russ Reynolds" ] torn...well, never mind [drew ] Re: This One Goes Out To... [Jeff Dwarf ] Do Skywalkers sing for Pearl Jam? [Jeff Dwarf ] Not quite Reap, but... [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: This One Goes Out To... [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: This One Goes Out To... [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Abba/folk ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: Abba/folk [Sebastian Hagedorn ] reap [Stewart Russell ] Defending Spielbergo [The Great Quail ] Re: A Minority Report on Tom Cruise ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Novel medium [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Jolly [Miles Goosens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 02:36:28 -0000 From: Subject: Satan's web address/prog-rock dork story >Ooh! Ooh! My favorite: the guy whose last name is "Satan." It's really a >shame hockey has so few Latino players - cuz it'd be great to have Jesus >playing Satan... > >(Now if I were that guy, I'd've insisted on wearing jersey no. 666...) Obviously, the web programming team over at cnnsi.com has a sense of humor. Click the link below to pull up the Satan's player profile: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/nhl/players/666/ Someone on slashdot noticed this last year, adding, "I would expect that the Prince of Darkness would average at least a point per game." - ------------- My wife and I went shopping for paint on Saturday: we just bought a house, and are in the process of moving in. On the way out the door, I was trying to explain to her what shade or tint of red I'd like to use in my office, and I wound up bagging my (vinyl) copy of _Discipline_ and bringing it into the Sherwin-Williams store for comparison. Yes, I am a prog-rock dork. Of sorts. Marshall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:43:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: I don't want no Miles wrote: "Plus that would seem to put "Bald Headed Woman" in its own trivia category: "what song was covered by both the Who and the Kinks?" Maybe there's more than one inhabitant there too, though I'm totally blanking on any other songs that both have done, not counting the times that Pete Townshend tried to write Ray Davies songs." I should know the answer to this one, but nothing is popping into my head either. I don't think the Kinks ever covered Heat Wave and the Who never did Dancing in the Streets. I figure that anything aside from Bald Headed Woman (a truly abysmal song) that both bands ever recorded would also have been a cover of a third party's work. Hmm. I listened to Moss Elixir today for the first time in about a year. It sounded real good. When I don't love the first song off a record, I sometimes ignore the whole recording for a while although it is easy enough to start with track 2. Anyone else somewhat lukewarm about She Was Sinister but She Was Happy? Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:52:59 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: prog-rock dork story Marshall: > I wound up bagging my (vinyl) copy of _Discipline_ and > bringing it into the Sherwin-Williams store for comparison. > Yes, I am a prog-rock dork. Of sorts. Nope, that's pure class. A dork would have grabbed "Hold Your Fire" instead. Michael "I can't believe I just said that" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:56:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: I don't want no On Mon, 20 May 2002, Jill Brand wrote: > I should know the answer to this one, but nothing is popping into my head > either. I don't think the Kinks ever covered Heat Wave and the Who never > did Dancing in the Streets. Ah, but they did: on the BBC sessions CD. So there's your answer. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::This is America. People do whatever the fuck they feel like doing.... ::As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. __Neal Stephenson, SNOW CRASH__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 01:08:56 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: A special nice game On 20 May 2002, at 14:35, tanter@tarleton.edu wrote: > This came in my email just now. I think it might be from a virus....? > It's Klez. Look at this URL and you'll see the same message about a game that you received. http://www.europe.f-secure.com/v-descs/klez.shtml This doesn't mean you have the virus. Somebody else on this list who has your name in their address list has it, and if I understand correctly they're Outlook users. It picks one address as the "sender" and another as the recipient. If you know how to read headers, I think you'll find the real sender in there. I got some myself the other day from a non-feg, and as soon as I confirm that one of the "From:" fields in the routing info is their user ID, I'll know that info is reliable, because I'm positive who it is. If you still have the email, don't read any attachments, and don't interpret any HTML in it. Fegpeople, you can avoid lots of email viruses just by not using Outlook (try Pegasus or Eudora if you're a Windows user), or at least by setting your email reader to not automatically run attachments and interpret HTML. Apparently this virus kludges the MIME header so that the attachment executes automatically regardless of your settings in Outlook (and maybe others, but Pegasus didn't even show an attachment on the one I got). > Marcy > > On Mon, 20 May 2002, owner-fegmaniax-digest wrote: > > > Hello,This is a very nice game > > This game is my first work. > > You're the first player. > > I wish you would enjoy it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 01:24:50 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: The Minority Report On 20 May 2002, at 10:59, The Great Quail wrote: > While I > certainly enjoyed "Total Recall," Arnold's presence made it into, > well, an Arnold movie, not a Philip K. Dick movie.... Oh, crap! That's the problem with reading email sorted from newest to oldest. Sorry everybody; what I meant to say was, "I agree completely with The Great Quail and therefore have nothing to express but my fawning admiration of the Hmuhed One". - -- Toady Boy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:34:52 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: RIP > Yes, the Who recorded "Bald Headed Woman." It's on the flip of "I Can't > Explain," original UK issue, > > So apparently the sentence re whatshisname what died should have read > something like "The only time the Who recorded a song written by someone > outside the band who wasn't already a well-known songwriter or their > producer throwing his weight around to get his songs recorded by his top > chart acts." Again, I'm going to go with "the only time the Who recorded a song written *for them* by someone outside the band." Bald-Headed Woman was most certainly not written for the Who, as the Kinks had already released their version a year earlier. "Armeneia, City In The Sky" was, however, written specifically for "The Who Sell Out." - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:41:22 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: This One Goes Out To 1. (paraphrasing) "This song is about me"-M. Stipe, "The One I Love" 2.(not paraphrasing) "This one goes out to our old Manager. He was [send the kids out of the room, Ross] a real motherfucker" - Freddie Mercury, "Death on two legs" okay, there's nothing clever or witty about that one but it stayed with me. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:50:11 -0700 From: drew Subject: torn...well, never mind Incidentally, I started my new job today. I'm working for AuctionWatch. It's fun so far. If I'm good maybe they'll hire me permanently when my contract is up. > From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." > > "Strange Little Girls" is a thrilling recording, and although some of > her > intepretations are cringeworthy ("Happiness is A Warm Gun" and "Heart of > Gold"), others are quite mesmerizing ("New Age" and "Enjoy the > Silence"). She > does do the sexy heavy breathing bit a lot, but, heck, whatever. I like > it. How > does it compare to her earlier work? Well. I really loathe and despise it. And I love all the other Tori Amos albums, though it's been conditional love the last two times out. So make of that what you will. I like "Strange Little Girls" and "New Age" and that's about it -- I think her "Enjoy the Silence" sucks. Oh, the Eminem track is at least interesting...I react to it in much the same way I used to react to "Me and a Gun." > From: "Natalie Jane" > I also > love "Stupidly Happy" (though I definitely will NOT be getting a > Stupidly > Happy T-shirt as advertised on Chalkhills), "I'm the Man Who Murdered > Love," > and "The Wheel & the Maypole" (though it seems to be a re-tread of > "Greenman" with the big orchestral pagan thing going on). I'm with you on all of that. > From: "Sloe Rose" [Enya = female sexuality] > Hmmm, Drew, guess I gotta spell it out somehow without getting too > smarmy;-p. No, I'm pretty sure I understood what you were saying. I just didn't find it a wholly appealing idea. > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > On Mon, 20 May 2002, Sloe Rose wrote: >> I cant see Cruise as a Dick protagonist. > > True, he's been denying it for years. Ha! Post of the month. I'm looking forward to the film, and I like Cruise, and I do have reservations about Spielberg + Cruise + Dick, but I'll wait and see. I liked Blade Runner, but when I read the novel it was based on I was really surprised at how completely different they seemed to me. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:57:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: This One Goes Out To... "Poole, R. Edward" wrote: > For some reason, I got to thinking about clever/biting/witty, etc > song dedications on this morning's commute (perhaps it was listening > to the live Butthole Surfers version of "This One Goes Out To The One > I Love" on my never-before-crashed-although-I-thought-it-once-had- > until-I-realized-the-battery-was-dead-iPod). My two favorites (that > I witnessed, that is) were: > > 2. Nirvana -- January 1994 in DC, dedicating "Jesus Don't Want Me For > A Sunbeam" to the recently-departed River Phoenix. I wonder, in > retrospect, whether it was actually ironic (as I thought April 8, > 1994), or if Kurt was saying "see you soon" to River. > > 1. Robyn Hitchcock -- Chicago Park West, 6/17/92, dedicating "Trash" > to the entire audience (gee, thanks, Robyn). > > Please liven up my dreary monday morning by topping these -- esp. if > you have bitchy and mean ones. "I Wanna Destroy You" being dedicated to W last spring by Robyn is rather bitchy. Didn't James dedicate MOzzer's "We Hate it When Our Friends Become Successful" to him at Glastonbury, or one of those big English festivals when Steven Patrick bailed at the last minute? ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:14:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Do Skywalkers sing for Pearl Jam? Sloe Rose wrote: > Quail, my husband, Star Wars fan of the first water, took our > daughter to it ... and was roundly disapointed. According to him > there was -no- chemestry, no life in it at all. Anakin whined and Obi > looked like he'd rather be elsewhere. Anakin is definitely a whiner. Then again, so was Luke. as we were leaving, my sister and I were joking that Eddie Vedder must be a Skywalker. But if Anakin wasn't petulant and immature, his fall to the dark side would ultimately be less believable, since it's those very traits that Palpatine is ultimately going (and already is for that matter) to use to bring Anakin to the dark side. ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:18:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Not quite Reap, but... Legendary St. Louis Cardinals broadcaster Jack Buck is in bad shape. http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/0519/1384378.html ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:07:03 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: This One Goes Out To... >1. Robyn Hitchcock -- Chicago Park West, 6/17/92, dedicating "Trash" to the >entire audience (gee, thanks, Robyn). Didn't he dedicate "I wanna destroy you" to the Dubya on one occasion? >But yeah, I think >XTC's rockin' days are far behind them... rockin' just doesn't work for a >studio band. The Beatles: "Revolution", "Helter Skelter", and "Birthday" seem to defy your comment. >For a while in the '80s and early '90s, baseball had pitcher Jim Gott and >infielder Tim Teufel -- their German surnames meaning "God" and >"Devil." I've always wanted to see some stats on how they fared >head-to-head. Gott had the platoon advantage, but if Teufel could overcome >that, I might reconsider my Armageddon bets... a couple of years ago, one of New Zealand's top rugby league players was Jason Death. Sure he pronounced it 'deeeth', but it still looked impressive on his jersey. >jv <- trying to figure out what "dead chuffed" means. same as 'stoked'. I think the term 'exceedingly joyful' is used in the US. >So apparently the sentence re whatshisname what died should have read >something like "The only time the Who recorded a song written by someone >outside the band who wasn't already a well-known songwriter or their >producer throwing his weight around to get his songs recorded by his top >chart acts." sorry, but "The Ox" was co-written by Nicky Hopkins, so you need a further subclause about shared credits... >>Hello,This is a very nice game >>This game is my first work. >>You're the first player. >>I wish you would enjoy it. >This came in my email just now. I think it might be from a virus....? hm. Unless the game is to reply in kind. Is this nice game a hell? Oh, very! My work is this first game At play you are the first... Wish it, and I would enjoy you! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:09:17 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: This One Goes Out To... >>1. Robyn Hitchcock -- Chicago Park West, 6/17/92, dedicating "Trash" to the >>entire audience (gee, thanks, Robyn). > >Didn't he dedicate "I wanna destroy you" to the Dubya on one occasion? Oh, and I just remembered that when Billy Bragg toured NZ not that long after our anti-nuclear legislation came in, he dedicated the song "Dolphins" to "New Zealanders everywhere". James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:29:50 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: Abba/folk Sebastian: >I don't know about Sweden, but Germany is different. There is no common >denominator. The traditional folk music is to all intents and purposes >dead. The pseudo folk is very popular, but only with a certain crowd that >is probably similar to the crowd that listens to bad mainstream country in >the US. One of the Abba guys (the blond one, I think) has become/returned to being a folk artist. A taste of the Scandanavian folk/folk rock scene can be found on the Rough Guide to the Music of Scandanavia (World Music Network) which is quite enjoyable. There are a bands on this that I would investigate further if they weren't on expensive imports. What do you mean by "pseudo folk"? Is it folk music adapted a little for modern tastes, folk music with added pop/rock elements or new compositions based on idealised and inaccurate notion of the traditional music. We have all of these as well as traditional tunes that have been preserved by song collectors and performed as accurately as possible. Much of the traditional folk stuff only survives due to dedicated individuals and many of the old things that are performed have had to be resurected. Most Morris sides, Mummers, Hobby Horses have short histories although they are based on earlier traditions. Although there is a reasonably strong folk movement here, most towns support folk clubs, a wider view of folk music is emerging and folk fetivals will include a number of performers from Europe and North America playing their music. South America, Eurasia east of Hungary is then considered "world music". Kay: >Thats because you were a -cataloger-.;-) I did also do a year as a library assistant, as our branch library was slightly overstaffed (4 people where 3.5 would have been ok) I got sent to a lot of branches and the central library to cover sick/holidaying staff. >Now, if youd been temping as a rare-book librarian, up there with that >uncatalogued, locked away, oh no,-of-course-we-dont't-own-THAT copy of the >Necronomian, well, things might have been a bit different. True, I never located the vault with the Necronomicon but we did a lot of work in the art stack. We got to see, but not stick anything in, a collection of C19 books from India containing samples of regional fabrics and photographs that had been hand coloured. brian _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:23:30 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Abba/folk - --On Tuesday, May 21, 2002 08:29:50 +0000 Brian Hoare wrote: Brian, >> I don't know about Sweden, but Germany is different. There is no common >> denominator. The traditional folk music is to all intents and purposes >> dead. The pseudo folk is very popular, but only with a certain crowd that >> is probably similar to the crowd that listens to bad mainstream country >> in the US. > > What do you mean by "pseudo folk"? Is it folk music adapted a little for > modern tastes, folk music with added pop/rock elements or new > compositions based on idealised and inaccurate notion of the traditional > music. I suppose all of the above. The most common variety seems to be music that's derived from traditional Bavarian music, often from the Alps with its characteristic "Jodeln" (alas not done by a Hoover). Depending on the style it is played with brass or with modern instruments (drums and electric guitars). I'm no expert, but I'm told that it's mainly a travesty. > We have all of these as well as traditional tunes that have been > preserved by song collectors and performed as accurately as possible. > Much of the traditional folk stuff only survives due to dedicated > individuals and many of the old things that are performed have had to be > resurected. Most Morris sides, Mummers, Hobby Horses have short histories > although they are based on earlier traditions. You are probably right in saying that much of the folk in the US and elsewhere isn't really traditional either. I guess the difference is that there is some sort of continuity in other countries: (some) current music is heavily influenced by traditional music. That's not the case here in Germany, AFAIK. At least I can't think of any examples, but there's a chance that it's only because I'm in a different scene... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Being just contaminates the void - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:34:14 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: reap Stephen Jay Gould (or did my mail server miss previous postings?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:42:33 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Defending Spielbergo Ross writes, >As an example of how PKD can be steamrollered by pop movie >glitz compare "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale" to >"Total Recall". I'm wary.... I would hardly call Spielberg a purveyor of "pop movie glitz," nor would I compare him as a director to Paul Verhoeven! Personally, I think Spielberg takes a very unfair rap around here, and among many other intelligent, hip, and hyper-critical crowds who ought to know better. (I am not directing all this against you, Ross! This is a pet peeve of mine.) Does he have flaws? Of course. Hell, he's even botched entire movies. ("1941," "Hook.") But the man is a first-class storyteller, he has an uncanny sense of pacing, and some of his scenes and images are just amazing. Of course he's not an art-house director, nor a cutting-edge indie filmmaker. But he's easily one of the best, if not *the* best, Hollywood directors working in the field today. First of all, "Jaws" is a nearly perfect movie; I could go one for pages about that, but I'd just be retreading old arguments made by numerous film buffs and critics. "Close Encounters" has been terribly influential, and amidst all the wonder and gee-wow stuff, it's really the story of a man losing touch with his family, and it's brilliantly directed. "E.T." was a fairy tale for a whole generation, and the "Indiana Jones" movies were in a class all by themselves. Who can really deny liking them with a straight face? And his more serious films are likewise astonishing. OK, so there were a few moments of schmaltz in "Schindler's List." Does that cancel out two-plus hours of harrowing intensity and uncomfortable psychological exploration? The scene where Amon Goeth languidly "forgives" people with the tip of his finger -- that chilling image alone, most directors will never reach that point. And with "Private Ryan," Speilberg took the classic war movie we all grew up watching, and while still keeping focus on *why* those archetypical movies were classic, thoroughly updated it and changed the way American cinema portrayed the chaos of combat. Again, there are a few schmaltzy touches, like the bookend narrative and the conversation in the barn. But what about the scene where the German soldier stabs the Brooklyn kid, all the while whispering, "Shh, Shh...." One of many scenes which kept me up at night. And "A.I.," while being deeply flawed, was still a brilliant failure that was not afraid to aim high. The fact is, while Philip K. Dick has one foot firmly grounded in a Borgesian world of literate ideas, the other is firmly grounded in pulp fiction and 50's-era SF -- especially in stories like the Minority Report! So I really think that Spielberg is the man for the job on this one, and while I am not expecting it to be another Blade Runner, I can't imagine it's going to be bad. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 06:45:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: A Minority Report on Tom Cruise > From: The Great Quail > > I actually like Tom Cruise. I agree with your points about Tom Cruise. When I bitched about how lame I thought he was in "Rainman" compared to Dustin Hoffman, my film-buff friend said, "Wrong. Consider how well Cruise played off of, *reacted with and to* Hoffman's character. That couldn't have been easy." A valid point. I recently finished "Ubik" -- the only PKD novel I've read so far. Man oh man can PKD write a sentence. His prose and vocabulary are stunning. I've only read one PKD novel, and not the SF canon. I get into one writer and read all of his/her work. I just finished my Rudy Rucker phase, and think my PKD phase is next. However, as for Cruise playing a PKD character, I dunno. The main character in "Ubik" suffered constantly from an exquisite, pervasive PARANOIA, and was always in WTF? Mode. I can't recall Cruise pulling something like that off, and I don't think Spielberg would keep it in "Minority Report." Case in point: if *I* were in "Jurassic Park" I'd be a walking WTF Nut Case, but none of the characters in the movie showed any of that. "Minority Report" the novel probably was about Paranoia, and featured Paranoia as a pivotal character, but I think "Minority Report" the Spielbergian movie will gloss over paranoia. Dumb it down for the audience, ya know? WTF Mode, paranoia, and wonder are what make characters human, I think, and therefore they're necessary for great sci-fi films. "THX 1138," even though it is always ignored in Top 100 Sci-Fi Film lists (like the one in the current issue of Wired) is full of those things. Even Bruce Willis' character in "The Fifth Element" showed a bit of it, and it's something I think was sorely lacking in "A.I." in the characters we were meant to sympathize with. "2001" and "Solaris" have it in spades. There ain't none of it in Schwarzengger films. Brad Dourif would have *rocked* in "Minority Report." And I cannot wait for the new "Legend" DVD. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:55:53 +0000 From: "Sloe Rose" Subject: Jolly JeFFey, The only thing I like better than someone else making a pun is someone pointing out one I unwittingly made. - ----------------- Quail: >Oh, I don't know. I think he can convey a lot with his face -- Born >on the Fourth of July, Rainman, Eyes Wide Shut all give me hope. Didn't see #1. Come to think of it, you have a point on #2. Against #3, however, I will argue to my grave. Cruise can -react- and -confront-, but I don't think he can -think- deeply on screen. I found the long closeups where he just looked intently blank tedious. Making invisable wheels turn is tough. Not many actors can do it well, it may be the most difficult trick of all. - ------------------ James: 8 paintings a week, enough to show how well you did! Isn't that about half of the entire exhibit? Excellent. And, I hope, encouraging. - ----------------- What do other Fegs do to beat the blues away? Is there an activity, record, movie, book they find particularly helpful at cheering themselves up? Aside for the really obvious;-). I think Ive been forcing myself to be a bit extra jolly recently, when what I need is some real jolly. And down-time, which I will get soon with vac. Kay, in search of a new sig _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:02:49 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Novel medium > >Apparently, Robyn's finished his book and has actually given it to an > >agent who will then shop around for a publisher. On Fri, 17 May 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > Does anyone besides me have the sneaking suspicion that Robyn's book will be > a rambling, incoherent, unreadable mess? Which song or sleeve note were you thinking of when this suspicion came into your mind? - - Mike 'Tarantula' Godwin PS Still with about 40 more posts to plough through ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:13:15 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Jolly At 01:55 PM 5/21/2002 +0000, Sloe Rose wrote: >Quail: >>Oh, I don't know. I think he can convey a lot with his face -- Born >>on the Fourth of July, Rainman, Eyes Wide Shut all give me hope. > >Didn't see #1. Come to think of it, you have a point on #2. Against #3, >however, I will argue to my grave. Cruise can -react- and -confront-, but I >don't think he can -think- deeply on screen. I found the long closeups where >he just looked intently blank tedious. Making invisable wheels turn is >tough. Not many actors can do it well, it may be the most difficult trick of >all. Thank you, thank you, thank you! Cruise is utterly incapable of projecting any sort of inner life, and those scenes were agonizingly boring. Daniel Day-Lewis is an actor who could have adroitly conveyed that kind of inner turmoil behind a stoic exterior. Heck, Cruise got thoroughly smoked as an actor in the couple of scenes with DHARMA AND GREG's Thomas Gibson... FWIW, the only movie where I've ever thought Cruise did a capable job was in JERRY MAGUIRE, where he essentially played himself: a vacuous playboy striving to become a Real Live Boy, to become more than just a toothsome smile in a sportscar. later, Miles ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #164 ********************************