From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #161 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, May 18 2002 Volume 11 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: 666 and all that ["ross taylor" ] fruit slut [drew ] vall of foodoo [drew ] Re: RIP [Terrence Marks ] Re: wasp star wars ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Ice Ice Baby [glen uber ] fegBands update [bayard ] Let me tell you about Sweden... [shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McClea] Luna weed (FREE STUFF...kinda) ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: early music memories [Nur R Gale ] Re: Star Wars (Yup, you knew it was coming) [Steve Talkowski ] Re: wasp star wars [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re:RIP ["Russ Reynolds" ] RE: Luna weed (FREE STUFF...kinda) ["Timothy Reed" ] Woke up with Norwegian Wood ["Michael Wells" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:53:51 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re: 666 and all that On Fri, 17 May 2002 16:45:14 matt sewell wrote: >>rock band -- sounded a bit like the Doors but >>more Greek. >Not Aphrodite's Child? They had the cult hit >album 666? AC were actually driven by Vangelis (or Vangelis Papathanissiou as >he's credited on the album). This album >includes the fantastic Four Horsemen track - surely Demis Rousoss' finest moment... No, I'm pretty sure these guys were local. Baltimore has a big Greek community. Plus, I think of AC as softer, & this was pretty raucus. I was thinking of the heaven/hell music thread & got mixed up w/ the humorous history book "1066 And All That." I do once remember seeing a record by an Italian band from the late 60s that was produced by Jimmy Miller. Didn't get it & don't remember the name, but have wondered about it since. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:31:57 -0700 From: drew Subject: fruit slut > From: glen uber > > And Bill Hicks pointed out that, since Hell is a Christian concept, > everybody in Hell is a Christian. Then there's Rowan Atkinson's sketch, where all the Christians are in hell because "I'm afraid the Jews were right." > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > "Fruit Nut" is forgettable, The problem is that it's NOT forgettable. I get that damned thing stuck in my head, and it didn't sound good the first time around. It's hell (see above). > and his trudges on _Wasp Star_ are so forgettable I forget their titles. "Boarded Up" = dull, "In Another Life" = a cloying rewrite of Andy's "I'd Like That," and "Standing In For Joe," a grating adultery fantasy. Ugh ugh ugh. > (WS in general was a disappointment - I mean, it has its moments, but I > don't think loud, stupid rock (more or less AP's words) are their metier > any more.) I was disappointed at first, but it's grown on me to the point where I can enjoy Andy's songs for the most part. I like the loud, stupid rock -- what I dislike is loud, stupid pop like "Playground." Taken together, I don't think the last two albums are too discouraging. I think as long as they can summon up some conceptual direction -- the biggest if, given their time away from the game and their domestic situations -- they could do some really amazing stuff next time out. But I think Colin's run dry, which could hamstring the whole affair. > From: "Natalie Jane" > re. that Swedish abomination: >> I mean, come on. Is it >> the oppressive 70s vibe? The disco? The weird phonetic >> English? > > All of the above, plus that sanitized, squeaky-clean, bland, > manufactured > quality which makes me think that ABBA is the sort of music we will be > listening to in the year 2312 when we are all ruled over by the great > and > benevolent Hive Mind. Well, if I'm the Hive Mind, you might hear "Mamma Mia" and "Gimme Gimme Gimme (A Man After Midnight)" creep into the rotation. Personally, I think we're more likely to keep hearing electronica on Matrix Radio, because it's even more bland and manufactured (yes, all of it, don't even argue with me) and has no pesky lyrics to get in the way of the meaninglessness of it all. > From: "Sloe Rose" > >> Enya(alright, I knew that. But I still think the texture of some of her >> stuff tells you -as- much about female sexuality than anything by >> Heart(another dodge and run)(and oh yeah, Im an extremelly -precosious- >> little child.) If Enya were an accurate representation of female sexuality I think I _would_ be gay. That said, I own her first two albums (not even sure it's necessary to own more than one) and I enjoy them at those times when Dead Can Dance are too raucous. >> ZZ top(then throws the hors douerves tray into your face and runs away, >> crying "My world is ending.") ZZ Top are so much fun -- e.g. "Woke Up With Wood" (what an image! eek). Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:44:16 -0700 From: drew Subject: vall of foodoo > From: "rubrshrk@harborside.com" > Stan Ridgway/Wall of Voodoo (nobody else seems to get how cool Stan is) The 80s DJ back in Rochester I used to listen to did. She was totally into him and played stuff that eventually led me to get Call of the West and Mosquitoes. I don't listen to them often, but I really dig them when I do. > Negativland Did somebody say they weren't cool? They're scary cool. > Dire Straits Very uncool. I have to admit that I love Knopfler's guitar sound, though, and _Making Movies_ is one of my favorite albums. > B52's If I never hear "Rock Motherfucking Lobster" again, it will be too soon, but there's no one like them. Once again there is tremendous camp appeal. > Depeche Mode Loved them as a kid, then hated them, now I'm just about back to loving them again. _Songs of Faith and Devotion_ was so horrible that I couldn't stand to listen to the group for years, but the two most recent albums finally grew on me. > From: "ross taylor" > > In Randy Newman's Faust he casts James Taylor as > God. That would certainly explain a lot about the world. > That's part of the weird thing about Abba -- > what kind of non-rock music comes from places > that don't have country music, don't even have > *much* native r&b? "'Moon of Alabama' is my favorite country tune It's got lyrics by a Communist and music by a Jew When those fellas wrote it, they were living in Berlin I guess that is a symbol of the world we're living in" -- Momus, "Mountain Music" > From: "Natalie Jane" > > Does anyone besides me have the sneaking suspicion that Robyn's book > will be > a rambling, incoherent, unreadable mess? I doubt it will be that bad, but I'm not expecting Nabokov. That's okay. Not everyone can be both Robyn Hitchcock and Vladimir Nabokov. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:08:53 -0400 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: RIP Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I think they meant "only time the Who performed a song written by someone > outside the group that that person hadn't yet recorded himself" but that's > not very pithy. But he recorded it later, didn't he? Or am I all wrong on > the chronology, and therefore you're completely right and the obit's > nonsense? > > "Only time the Who performed a song written by someone outside the group > that wasn't a typical rock'n'roll cover song"? Umm....what about Shel "I can turn budding rock gods into mediocre R&B cover bands that record my songs" Talmy? - -- Terrence Marks http://www.unlikeminerva.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:28:07 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: wasp star wars At 02:31 PM 5/17/2002 -0700, drew wrote: >>All of the above, plus that sanitized, squeaky-clean, bland, manufactured >>quality which makes me think that ABBA is the sort of music we will be >>listening to in the year 2312 when we are all ruled over by the great and >>benevolent Hive Mind. > >Well, if I'm the Hive Mind, you might hear "Mamma Mia" and >"Gimme Gimme Gimme (A Man After Midnight)" creep into the >rotation. Personally, I think we're more likely to keep hearing >electronica on Matrix Radio, because it's even more bland >and manufactured (yes, all of it, don't even argue with me) >and has no pesky lyrics to get in the way of the meaninglessness >of it all. I think the Hive Mind, which will have been raised in an godlike-computer culture, exposed to nothing but the bleeps and bloops of machine-produced music all its artificial life, might be sick to death of its native electronic music, and could at that point become more and more interested in the musics of other cultures, such as the monotonous everlasting buzz-hums of the incorporeal energy cloud-entities that reside in the coronas of various stars, the temporally backwards tachyon operas of the FTL-ers, or even the pleasant acoustic folk-rock stylings of the organic humanoids that seem to have overrun the low-rent quadrant of the Milky Way. Let's not jump to any conclusions. For all we know, the benevolent Galactic super-society could provide us with a really hip Hive Mind when the Earth and its surrounding terra-formed colonies become assimilated. Our Hive Mind, being ultra-intelligent, might even be 'with it,' and on Saturdays, after a hard week of processing the complex thought-patterns of our solar system's wet-wired population of 40 trillion, might kick back, and go "analog" - enjoying a little weed and chilling out to a mix-tape of Neutral Milk Hotel and various other Elephant 6 bands. Anyhow, I saw "Phantom Menace II: Star Wars V: Attack of the Clones" last night as well, and my opinions are pretty much in league with The Great Quail's assessments, at least when comparing this film with Episode I. I had sort of an opposite reaction to the kid playing Anakin, though. I didn't go in with any particular reservations about him - although I did make a Felicity joke with some friends about a week ago when discussing his casting. However, I walked away severely disappointed by his performance. Didn't really expect much, but I was hoping for better. There were a number of lines, or at least half-assed deliveries, and not just this kid's, that had the audience audibly giggling. As did one classic character's fight scene. They showed previews for the Matrix films beforehand. I wasn't thrilled by the first one, but if you liked it, it looks like the next two will be more of the same. I had an urge to shout out "You suck!" when Jar Jar appeared on-screen, but refrained, because I usually find such outbursts rude - unless presented in the controlled environment of a television program (I'm looking at you, MST3K!). - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:34:57 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: Ice Ice Baby drew earnestly scribbled: >I doubt it will be that bad, but I'm not expecting Nabokov. >That's okay. Not everyone can be both Robyn Hitchcock >and Vladimir Nabokov. Funny, when I first read this, Vladimir wasn't the first Nabokov that popped into my mind. I suppose that not everyone can be both Ken Hitchcock and Evgeni Nabokov. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible." - --Frank Zappa glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 15:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: fegBands update Some new links have been added up top of the fegBands page. http://www.glasshotel.net/gh/fegBands.htm Check 'em out... the ones above the table are guaranteed to work. And am I dreaming, or is a feg collaborating with a certain soft individual? Click and see for yourself... =b - -- http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:04:54 -0400 From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: Let me tell you about Sweden... Per Ross's comments about the weirdness inherent in Abba - actually my father is an Abba fan (just one of many strange facets I can assure you), so I can honestly say for better or worse that I have been exposed to more of it along the way than most of you I bet. I always assumed their sound was simply a by-product of exposure to (mostly banal) US/UK pop. If you listen to enough Scandinavian folk or roots music, however, you realize how much heritage these guys brought to the table. The tight female harmonies reflect a lot of the modal structures you hear in a lot of Northern folk, no matter how hideous the rest of their material is. Not a defense of Abba by any means (Emma Hardelin or any of the four chicks in Vartinna could kick their asses any day of the week), but it WAS something of a revelation when I could put them into a context beyond pop. n.p. - Sanna Kurki-Suonio/Musta ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:49:18 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Luna weed (FREE STUFF...kinda) I would like to start a weed of a Luna recording I made in Feb.. For those of you unfamiliar with what a weed is, it is like a tree without structure. I am offering the disc to any three people who want it, for free...but you must promise to send it to any three additional people on list. After receiving it you must announce that you have it and send it to the first three people who respond. I hope maybe some of you will check out this great live band on tour in the coming weeks as they on tour. If you have only heard the records you are in for a great surprise they are much better live(although I love the records). I had hoped to weed the show I saw last week but this recording is far superior, although the other is quite good too. Whatever, the first three will have the discs in the mail to them by Monday morning. Max PS. This is the setlist: http://www.grange85.co.uk/galaxie/index.php?show_id=337 _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:21:10 -0700 From: Nur R Gale Subject: Re: early music memories feeling real old right now! my first concert as a teenager was Janis Joplin in Homdel, NJ. The band lineups of shows then were surreal -- like blues guitarist Freddy King warming up for Emerson, Lake and Palmer, or Mahavishnu Orchestra warming up for It's a Beautiful Day. The Paul Winter Consort (pre-Oregon lineup) warming up for Springsteen's early Steel Mill band.... oh yeah, i saw him as warm up for Mountain once also. But the great bands i still frequently listen from back then are Incredible String Band (especially 1960s period), The Move (Roy Wood was quite a genius), Moby Grape, Denny-period Fairport, Soft Machine, Caravan. hmmmm.. Earth Opera -- anyone remember them? Great Boston psychedelic folk band with Peter Rowen. There's a bunch of others i can't remember -- forgot to take my ginko this morning. nur n.p. a great ol'Satchmo concert in Boston in 1947 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:25:53 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Star Wars (Yup, you knew it was coming) On Friday, May 17, 2002, at 10:59 AM, The Great Quail wrote: > The CGI characters were a bit uneven, however, with some faring better > than others. I wish that Yoda would remain a muppet, though -- the CGI > Yoda doesn't seem quite real enough, although later he gets to do some > pretty cool stuff. I just think the muppet Yoda has more personality > and warmth. I have to respectfully disagree with you there Quail. I've been a CG animator in the industry for the past 15 years and have to say without a doubt that Yoda is by far the most expressive and "believable" CG character I have seen to date. In my professional opinion (heh, for what it's worth - right?) I felt they totally nailed it. I was whooping and hollering "Go Yoda!" when he brandished his light saber against Dooku. The cloth and hair moved in a very realistic and expected fashion and hats off to a few ex-Blue Sky colleagues and peers over at ILM for raising the bar once again. Now, if only they could work on perfecting a more convincing portrayal of humans riding atop those fantastical creatures... (always a sore point to these extremely CG jaded eyes.) The end battle sequence - think Phantom Menace battle x 10. They pulled out all the stops for this one. The sheer amount of compositing and coordination of all the elements involved is truly mind-boggling. The eye candy doesn't get any better than this. Yes, that chase sequence through Coruscant was also very well done (nice homage to The Fifth Element and then some...). Overall, it was a thoroughly enjoyable popcorn thrill ride. I can't wait to see how George treats Anikin's total descent to the dark side in Episode III! Next up - looking forward to Dreamworks' "Spirit, Stallion of the Cimarron", Disney's "Lilo & Stitch", and Fox's "Minority Report". - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:17:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: fruit slut On Fri, 17 May 2002, drew wrote: > "Boarded Up" = dull, "In Another Life" = a cloying rewrite of Andy's > "I'd Like That," and "Standing In For Joe," a grating adultery fantasy. > Ugh ugh ugh. I can summon up a few seconds of "Boarded Up" and "Standing in for Joe" - but not much more. Can I think of any part of "In Another Life"? No. > > (WS in general was a disappointment - I mean, it has its moments, but I > > don't think loud, stupid rock (more or less AP's words) are their metier > > any more.) > > I was disappointed at first, but it's grown on me to the point where > I can enjoy Andy's songs for the most part. I like the loud, stupid > rock -- what I dislike is loud, stupid pop like "Playground." Taken Hmmm...I like "Playground" - actually, I confess that I like most of the songs that I first heard in Andy's demos (I think my copies came from Steve Schiavo - so thanks, Steve!). It's just that if you're going to do a basic, straightforward rock/pop album, you've gotta be really committed to it, and have the noise and energy to make that simplicity have power or joy. Too many tracks on WS sound as if they had the concept, but not the spark. I should, though, relisten to it... > together, I don't think the last two albums are too discouraging. Well, those who bothered to follow the link to my review of AV1 know I love it intensely - I was very pleased that after such a long hiatus, they not only produced a good album but an excellent one, and one that didn't just tread over ground they'd trodden before. Except for the damned crossfading (which, except if the tracks blend, I seldom like), I'd like to make a mix of the best tracks from both CDs - I kind of think I would have been more impressed had the two volumes been released as a 2-CD set, as originally planned. > next time out. But I think Colin's run dry, which could hamstring > the whole affair. That would be said, if he has. Frankly, if he has, I just hope he realizes it, and stops tyring to write, and just comes up with his great basslines. Andy seems to have enough ideas to keep writing indefinitely. And if not, frankly if XTC is just Andy, I'd still be pleased. Although nowhere near as pleased as I owuld be if Colin came up with 2-3 sparkling tunes per album like he once did. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::part of your circuit of incompetence:: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:20:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: wasp star wars On Fri, 17 May 2002, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > I had an urge to shout out "You suck!" when Jar Jar appeared on-screen, but > refrained, because I usually find such outbursts rude - unless presented in > the controlled environment of a television program (I'm looking at you, > MST3K!). I think this may be a chief reason I'm not going - being generally a polite person, I'm unwilling to tempt myself to let forth with a bellow of boos the instant fucking Jar-Jar appears on the screen...and it'd be hard for me to restrain myself. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::In terms of the conjunctures of cultures, [LA is] less like a salad bowl ::and more like a TV dinner with those little aluminium barriers keeping ::all the vegetables in their places. __Catherine Ann Driscoll__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 07:59:20 -0700 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re:RIP >> Did I see an RIP for Speedy Keen of Thunderclap Newman? It was only when I >> >> PS The obit. claimed that "it was the only time the Who performed a song >> written by someone outside the group", but this is nonsense. Offhand, I >> can think of: > > I think they meant "only time the Who performed a song written by someone > outside the group that that person hadn't yet recorded himself" but that's > not very pithy. But he recorded it later, didn't he? Or am I all wrong on > the chronology, and therefore you're completely right and the obit's > nonsense? I think it's more likely they meant "only time the Who performed a song written *for them* by someone outside the group." Thanks for passing that along by the way, Mr. Godwin. I still listen to that album a lot and though I've always thought that song was just a bit out of character for them I never had a clue that it wasn't who-penned. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 12:21:22 -0400 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: Luna weed (FREE STUFF...kinda) Hey - Luna is indeed an excellent live band - I've seen them a few times, including a free show at Tower Records in NY a couple of weeks ago. It felt odd to see a band in a 'venue' that's so brightly lit. Anyway, I'm receiving a copy of Max's show and will be happy to send it to three people. Send e-mail to me if you're interested. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Maximilian Lang > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 7:49 PM > To: tapermaniax@smoe.org; fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Luna weed (FREE STUFF...kinda) > > > I would like to start a weed of a Luna recording I made in > Feb.. For those > of you unfamiliar with what a weed is, it is like a tree > without structure. > I am offering the disc to any three people who want it, for > free...but you > must promise to send it to any three additional people on list. After > receiving it you must announce that you have it and send it > to the first > three people who respond. I hope maybe some of you will > check out this > great live band on tour in the coming weeks as they on tour. > If you have > only heard the records you are in for a great surprise they > are much better > live(although I love the records). I had hoped to weed the > show I saw last > week but this recording is far superior, although the other > is quite good > too. Whatever, the first three will have the discs in the > mail to them by > Monday morning. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 20:56:40 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Woke up with Norwegian Wood With RH going Swedish, I got to wondering if Grant Lee Phillips would be going continental this summer as well...and it turns out to be so, and not too far away (okay, in Norway) and in the same time frame as Robyn's dates. Looks like an interesting lineup http://www.norwegianwood.no/ Of all the bandlinks I like Gluecifer's the best, esp. their mp3 for "Powertools and Piss." I'm thinking early Cult sans the highbrow lyrics. Anyway, can our UK friends offer insight into this? http://www.saharahotnights.com/ Yea? Nay? Worth investigating further? Worth studiously ignoring? Michael "in space, no one can hear you suck" Wells np: my guitar ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #161 ********************************