From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #159 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, May 16 2002 Volume 11 : Number 159 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: grace by concatenation [Christopher Gross ] Re: grace by concatenation [glen uber ] devil's tuning pitchforks [drew ] Re: devil's tuning pitchforks [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: ... and I feel fine [glen uber ] 6-12 (RH content 4.3%) [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: re; Flying [Sebastian Hagedorn ] thanks and info for fegs that read ;-} [*rand - buzup buzup buzup buzup b] Re: devil's tuning pitchforks ["matt sewell" ] Re: devil's tuning pitchforks [Stewart Russell ] Overstating, as usual ["Sloe Rose" ] robyn in toronto? [invader woj ] robyn in europe [invader woj ] Cd Launch "Songs we wrote on our Mothers' knees" June 11th (fwd) [Michael] Re: robyn in europe [Sebastian Hagedorn ] 30 april setlist [invader woj ] Re: robyn in toronto? [Stewart Russell ] Off-Topic hardware question [bayard ] when i was a kid [Ken Ostrander ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:55:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: grace by concatenation On Wed, 15 May 2002, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Jonathan Fetter wrote: > > I guess Hell will probably have better music than Heaven too ("'The > > Sound of Music,' over and over for all eternity..."). As Mark Twain said, "Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company." (In fact, didn't someone here have that in their .sig file?) - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:11:50 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: Re: grace by concatenation Christopher chrisg@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu hat geschrieben: >As Mark Twain said, "Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company." >(In fact, didn't someone here have that in their .sig file?) And Bill Hicks pointed out that, since Hell is a Christian concept, everybody in Hell is a Christian. - -- "Give me the Satanic family down the street...the one with the good albums" - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:15:08 -0700 From: drew Subject: devil's tuning pitchforks > From: "Natalie Jane" > (This also explains "Wounded Horse.") "Wounded Horse" grew on me for some reason. I still like it better than anything Colin Moulding's done since _Oranges and Lemons_. > From: "Jonathan Fetter" > I guess Hell will probably have better music than Heaven too ("'The > Sound of Music,' over and over for all eternity..."). Heaven will also have most of the Bach, though, won't it? And some of those Innocence Mission songs are pretty catchy, too. > From: "Sloe Rose" > Subject: Blogs I really like LiveJournal, but it's grown into more of a community than a blog as such. Some of my friends like diaryland, which still has community aspects, but is probably more like what you want. Drew, who just might have a job again at last ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:27:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: devil's tuning pitchforks On Wed, 15 May 2002, drew wrote: > "Wounded Horse" grew on me for some reason. I still like > it better than anything Colin Moulding's done since _Oranges > and Lemons_. God, what the hell is up with him? Slog, slog, slog... When AV1 came out, I cut him some slack - and "Frivolous Tonight" does provide a bit of contrast to the general heavygoingness of that CD (my take at http://www.uwm.edu/~jenor/XTCRev.html), but "Fruit Nut" is forgettable, and his trudges on _Wasp Star_ are so forgettable I forget their titles. (WS in general was a disappointment - I mean, it has its moments, but I don't think loud, stupid rock (more or less AP's words) are their metier any more.) This from the guy who wrote several of XTC's best tracks! - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I play the guitar. Sometimes I play the fool:: __John Lennon__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:44:56 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: ... and I feel fine > >And lest anyone think I like "Rushmore," I actually haven't seen it. > >Opphhs. Who was it then who wanted a TV station that ran "Rushmore" >24 >hours a day? I wanted a TV so I could see "Rushmore" and for no other reason. Perhaps I could get rid of the TV afterwards. re. that Swedish abomination: >I mean, come on. Is it >the oppressive 70s vibe? The disco? The weird phonetic >English? All of the above, plus that sanitized, squeaky-clean, bland, manufactured quality which makes me think that ABBA is the sort of music we will be listening to in the year 2312 when we are all ruled over by the great and benevolent Hive Mind. >ooh, some excitement? but the tribulation thingie comes first right? >and >then is it the 1000 year deal next then the battle and then the > >apocalypse? and that rapture thing is in there somewhere right? Strictly speaking, "apocalypse" does not refer to the end of the world. The word literally means "unveiling" or "un-hiding" and has the same root as "Calypso" (as in Odysseus's girlfriend, not the musical form), which means "the hider." In other words, the apocalypse is actually the vision that reveals the end of the world, rather than the actual event. Revelations and the Book of Daniel are both apocalyptic texts in this regard. I wrote my senior honors thesis on Mary Shelley's apocalyptic novel "The Last Man" and I had to research all this stuff, so you can trust me (at least in this particular instance). Naturally, my thesis was entitled "It's the End of the World as We Know It." >I guess Hell will probably have better music than Heaven too ("'The >Sound of Music,' over and over for all eternity..."). No - ABBA! n., suddenly wanting to see "The Rapture" again _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:54:45 -0700 From: glen uber Subject: Re: ... and I feel fine Natalie emma_blowgun@hotmail.com hat geschrieben: >n., suddenly wanting to see "The Rapture" again Look for the tattooed woman named Angie. That's my co-worker, Carole Davis. - -- Mmmm, Mimi Rogers, - -g- "Start your own revolution and cut out the middle man." - --Billy Bragg glen uber =+= blint (at) mac dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:24:30 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: 6-12 (RH content 4.3%) >>I think we -all- have a weakness for the 2nd-rate pop stuff that was around >>when we first fell in love with music. Its an age thing. Between the age of >>6 and 12 you realized that there was this other miraculous kingdom called >>music. > >I don't know. The only stuff I remember from watching TOTP in my early days >is Shawaddy Waddy and I don't get too excited when I hear them these days. >My real "this is music" awakening occured in the late 70's (78/79) when at >the age of 12 or so I was given a C90 with Parallel Lines on one side and >Tonic for the Troops on the other. I agree. My 6-12 years saw bands like Bay City Rollers, Sweet, Mud, Showaddywaddy and the Osmonds at the top of the tree. Of the groups of this period, it's only in the last few years that I've managed to appreciate the joys of T Rex and early Bowie, and stomach one or two pieces of pap from Slade. Of the bands that I liked during this period, only Abba survives in my collection to any great extent. Yes, I like Abba - so sue me. It is pure pop, but there are times when you want junk food rather than steak. Musically, my awakening came when I started watching a late night TV music programme in my early teens ("Grunt Machine"), and it awoke me to what was happening in music - particularly in the UK. I can still remember that the first show I saw had XTC's "Are you receiving me?" and Elvis Costello's "Watching the detectives" on it. What an introduction to REAL music! >> I guess Hell will probably have better music than Heaven too ("'The >> Sound of Music,' over and over for all eternity..."). > >"And everyone's trying to keep Satan at bay > But how can he lead us to ruins > When we all know he has the best tunes?" > -- "Warning: Parental Advisory", John Wesley Harding & Steve Wynn "And God said 'oh ignore Him! I've got all your albums' I said 'yes, but who's got all the tunes?'" -- "When I was dead", RRH James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 00:25:16 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: re; Flying - -- Eclipse is rumored to have mumbled on Mittwoch, 15. Mai 2002 0:34 Uhr -0700 regarding re; Flying : > i can think of no better way to explain my fascination with, and > overwhelming fondness for, two completely "uncool" and unrelated bands: > The Monkees and Alphaville. That's funny. I haven't thought of Alphaville for awhile. Didn't think that anyone knew them abroad - except for Japan, of course :-) I've got their first album on tape somewhere, but I guess I'll have to hunt for some MP3s now. Forever Young really is a great song. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:38:51 -0400 From: *rand - buzup buzup buzup buzup buzup ah hah* Subject: thanks and info for fegs that read ;-} Well kids ... ... back from Montreal {watch me cringe and forego the accent} Ross ~ got your email *now* ~ I left Friday 7 a.m. {groan} for my hometown ... We will meet up next time ~ which will be sooner rather than later ~ hopefully for my b-day at the end of June ... are there any other fegs near Montreal? Aaron ... yee g-ds ... thank you thank you thank you ... what can I say except a glorious presentation of Sir Robyn ... I applaud you. And Ferris ... thank you for the mp3 ... a thoughtful task to undertake and I for one *really really* and truly appreciate it ... Now I'll give back some info ~ about Robyn's book. Apparently, Robyn's finished his book and has actually given it to an agent who will then shop around for a publisher. Fairly slow going I guess ... but as a writer I know the giving up of the words is agonizing ... I know I keep editing and editing ... but Robyn's baby is out of his hands for now. Maybe the book will be under 'fegs trees' for Christmas 2002 ... though my instincts scream 2003 at least. I know {from talking to Robyn} that he let words go easier than he does music ... and as some of us have witnessed in his live shows ... he has no qualms about switching words mid-song. Any how ... I've been dying to know about the book so I thought I'd share. You kids are the best! fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi Toronto, Ontario, Canada *what scares you most will set you free* ~ Robyn Hitchcock *by endurance we conquer* ~ Sir Ernest Shackleton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:36:01 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: devil's tuning pitchforks Drew said: >Heaven will also have most of the Bach, though, won't it? I would quite happily spend all eternity listening to Bach, and, as he would (presumably) be there, you'd have the benefit of all his new albums,too, along with the company of all those cool people - Martin Luther King, Josef Stalin... I wish *I* was dead... Also, did you hear that it was rumoured that JS Bach had been buried with many manuscripts of his music that had never been heard - he was exhumed, but when they opened the coffin, there he was, vigourously rubbing out the pencil manuscripts... They asked him what on Earth he was doing - He replied - wait for it - " I'm decomposing!" I'll get me coat... Matt >And some of those Innocence Mission songs are pretty >catchy, too. > >>From: "Sloe Rose" >>Subject: Blogs > >I really like LiveJournal, but it's grown into more of a community >than a blog as such. Some of my friends like diaryland, which >still has community aspects, but is probably more like what you >want. > >Drew, who just might have a job again at last - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:46:40 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: devil's tuning pitchforks matt sewell wrote: > > I wish *I* was dead... The best thing about being dead is that you need no longer say, "I wish I were dead". The worst thing about being dead is that you can no longer say, "I wish I were dead". -- Phyllis April King (I think -- one of Ivor Cutler's cohorts, at any rate.) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:31:21 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: ironic revisionist squallor On Tue, 14 May 2002 mojo@rice.edu wrote: > Good Lord, that's the question of the hour, innit? This ABBA thing started > happening several years ago after, I think, Kurdt Cobain happened to say > something mildly positive and/or approving about them, and apres ca, le > deluge. ouch, you must me young. This ABBA thing started probably around when cobain lost interest in his mother's teat, for the first time. cobain was a smacked out lush and you should never take any advice from a lush. the band was good but not anything beyond extra ordinary, then he died. ABBA lives. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:35:11 +0000 From: "Sloe Rose" Subject: Overstating, as usual I feel like a little child, adrift at an adult cocktail party, passing hor d'ouerves and hearing snatches of disconnected conversations that destroy my world. For as I pass under Uber I hear on the uncool list: >Enya(alright, I knew that. But I still think the texture of some of her >stuff tells you -as- much about female sexuality than anything by >Heart(another dodge and run)(and oh yeah, Im an extremelly -precosious- >little child.) >The Allman Brothers (much as I hate some stuff by this band(especially the >whiney stuff that makes you listen to the lyrics. NEVER listen to this >band's lyrics)I still love some of the music. Great texture. >J. Geils Band (now wait a sec, weren't these guys once supposed to be >cooler than cool? I always thought they were mediocre but with real flashes >of better. I do wish I still had my copy of "Monkey Island.") >The Troggs(at this point the little kid kicks you in the shins, Mr Uber. >Shame, shame.) >ZZ top(then throws the hors douerves tray into your face and runs away, >crying "My world is ending.") She can now be found playing peacefully under a tree with her dolls, who all have guitars and are playing "Tube Steak Boogie." - ------------------------------ Nat on Judee Sill- >Oh yeah - she was some ex-prostitute who found God, right? Or am I confusing her with someone else? I seem to recall that Andy Partridge totally digs her. On the other hand, Andy Partridge totally digs Yazbek (astonishingly irritating clever-clever "quirky" guy inexplicably beloved by Chalkhillians). I suspect Andy's hair loss has allowed dangerous UV rays to destroy portions of his cerebral cortex. (This also explains "Wounded Horse.") First of all, I cant believe you've heard of her(nor the Jeffrey has), and especially can't believe that Partridge has. And this one, I would say, has nothing to do with his hair loss. Ill make you a tape. Its the least I can do in return for your pointing out the Atlan series. You can curse me later. This woman had an attitude which managed to be profoundly weird, weirdly enticing and sometimes, for a split second, enticingly profound. I have never heard anything -quite- like her. Shes one of those wise idiots you want to tell to get real, but only after she's made a few more albumns. I do - -wish- the silly cunt had lived. - ------------------------ Brian Hoare: >My real "this is music" awakening occured in the late 70's (78/79) when at the age of 12 or so. Yes, at 12 or so you're adult tastes start to truely emerge. But before that, very young, I remember the beauty of AM 60s radio. I remember early Beatles, Beach Boys and Stones, Supremes and 4 Tops. This stuff was a refuge. Id go into my room and turn up the radio(Im talking "Cousin Brucie" yakking on at a mile a minute)and block out the outside world. I fell in love with songs long before I had a record player(or thought I might actually have such an important beast for my own) and would wait for my favorites to come on. "I Hear a Symphony" would float me around the room. I also rememeber hearing my parents music. One of my very earliest memories is twirling around in our den singing "They All Laughed." I pretty much accepted whatever I stumbled across. This wasnt music I owned, it was music I heard cause other people were playing it. And when the songs I loved came on it was like a benison from some unknown god. Its somehow "owning" music that kicks in later. It becomes invested in your identity. It matters and the whole concept of cool/uncool, that you -should- or -shouldnt- like certain sorts of music, kicks in. You make consious judgement about the sounds, the words. Before that, its just music. And yes, my rhetoric ran away from me there. Theres a whole lot more to post-12 taste than I've given it credit for. Apologies from one who owns the records to just about every corney musical ever made. And listens to them. Yes, evem or rather, especially "Sound of Music" Kay, who sometimes can "See thru the eyes that be, behind yours" "I'm afraid of librarians -- they have whips and high heels." Andrei Codrescu _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:37:34 -0400 From: invader woj Subject: robyn in toronto? an eagle-eyed fellow noticed that toronto's horseshoe tavern is listing a robyn hitchcock show for july 24th. . i did a quick scan through the other northeast venues which robyn has been known to play at and didn't see any other dates listed, but perhaps this is the beginnings of a summer tour in north america... woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:40:03 -0400 From: invader woj Subject: robyn in europe just noticed that robynhitchcock.com has updated summer gigs in europe: June 3: Goose Green, Dulwich,London - afternoon show June 10: Bommens Salonger, Gothemberg, Sweden June 11: KB, Malmo, Sweden June 12: Fritz's Corner, Stockholm, Sweden July 19: Glee Club, Birmingham, England August 12 & 13: Assembly Rooms, Edinburgh, Scotland there's a month between the birmingham and edinburgh shows, so perhaps there is still room for a short series of shows in north america (assuming that toronto date i mentioned previously is corrent). woj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:45:19 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Cd Launch "Songs we wrote on our Mothers' knees" June 11th (fwd) The following message relates to our new CD - - words by David Johnson, tunes by Michael Godwin! - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:03:52 +0100 From: David Johnson Subject: Cd Launch "Songs we wrote on our Mothers' knees" June 11th Hello All Exclusive CD Launch MICHAEL GODWIN AND DAVID JOHNSON Invite you to the exclusive launch of their new CD of original songs written and performed by themselves. On Tuesday Evening 11th June 2002 From 7.30pm - 9.00pm At the Cafi Unlimited 209 Gloucester Road, Bishopston, Bristol (near to Bishopston Hardware) Michael and David will be performing live some of the songs from their CD. Also, in a hard-hitting interview with media inquisitor and Master of Ceremonies, Peter Hunter, they will be revealing for the first time exclusive details of their fabulous life-styles and their struggle to rise from obscurity to the unknown status that they enjoy today. Michael and David will be available for you to talk with, just like you would chat with your next-door neighbour. Please come along and have fun mixing with the stars and thrilling to the unique sounds of Michael Godwin and David Johnson. Ffi Tel: 0117 9238822 e-mail: david@davidcjohnson.demon.co.uk Regards & love David - -- David Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:59:09 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: robyn in europe - --On Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:40:03 -0400 invader woj wrote: > just noticed that robynhitchcock.com has updated summer gigs in europe: > > June 3: Goose Green, Dulwich,London - afternoon show > June 10: Bommens Salonger, Gothemberg, Sweden > June 11: KB, Malmo, Sweden > June 12: Fritz's Corner, Stockholm, Sweden > July 19: Glee Club, Birmingham, England > August 12 & 13: Assembly Rooms, Edinburgh, Scotland Sweden?? Why Sweden? Do we have any listmembers from Sweden??? (not Swedene!) Why not Germany? Sigh... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Being just contaminates the void - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:33:25 -0400 From: invader woj Subject: 30 april setlist thanks for byron wilson for the review! >Here's the first set of the Tuesday Largo show. I'll get you the second set >soon. > >Mexican God >The Hots >The Leopard >4th Time Around >I Wish I Liked You >When I Was a Kid >Victorian Squid >Idonia >Unprotected Love >It's All Over Now, Baby Blue >The Speed of Things >Listening to the Higsons >One Long Pair of Eyes >Sleeping With Your Devil Mask > >Speed began an electric set, but after a nasty mic shock, Robyn switched >back to acoustic guitar, continued the song and played the rest acoustic. > >Devil Mask was dedicated the Condaliza (sp) Rice. >Here's the 2nd set for Largo 4/30 > >Robyn solo acoustic: >If You See Her, Say Hello (Robyn has Dylan lyric book at his feet for >reference) >Rainy Twilight Coast > >Jon Brion and an unknown bass player join. Robyn switches to electric >guitar. Jon plays piano on first two songs then plays drums for rest of >show. >The President >Raymond Chandler Evening > >Rhett Miller joins and sings on next three songs. >Queen Elvis >Cynthia Mask >Beautiful Girl > >Rhett leaves (I think) >Hey Bulldog (Beatles) >Billy (Dylan song from Pat Garrett. Robyn plays about 6 verses, the last I >think was one he wrote) >Cold Turkey >Yer Blues > >There ya go. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:41:34 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: robyn in toronto? invader woj wrote: > > toronto's horseshoe tavern is listing > a robyn hitchcock show for july 24th yay! I knew there was a reason to move to Toronto. By then, we'll have a place to live* and maybe even some furniture! Please don't mention the two Edinburgh gigs I'm missing by not being in Scotland. Stewart * if Scarborough can ever be called such. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:23:00 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: Off-Topic hardware question Could anyone who has experience with wireless networking and/or plasma monitors please email me off-list. Jeme Brelin, I am looking in your direction - -- http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:43:13 -0400 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: when i was a kid i was looking for these lyric online and could only find the version from 'invisible hits'. i think there's a lot missing from that. i have gravy here at work and figured this out from the two versions there: when i was a kid i finished what i did i screwed down the lid then i went and hid in the eider down as soon as i was born about the hour of dawn my father took a horn and chased me down the lawn in his dressing gown ain't it strange how people get older they warble and drool and eventually moulder they moulder away there's nothing i can do for you darling when i was a lad i never had a dad just another brother who got married to my mother in a thunder storm by the time that i was four i knew what i was for (i melted on the floor) i bolted up the door and made damn sure and never came down i swear i could murder that guy though i smile at him when he passes by he turned my into an englishman (businessman) he turned my into a when i was a kid i hated what i did i scrambled all my relatives (strangled) heaven isn't hell if its gone insane (just the same) by the time that i was three i decided to be me i'm trying to remember that evening in december when the angel came aupair girl's headless torso fools me and even more so coral and bruised (it's grusome) let's go and start a family let's go >>I think we -all- have a weakness for the 2nd-rate pop stuff that was around >>when we first fell in love with music. Its an age thing. Between the age of >>6 and 12 you realized that there was this other miraculous kingdom called >>music. hmmm...i think i was twelve when i got my first clock radio. of course, it drastically changed my life. up until that time, my only exposure to music was from my cousins, the schoolbus, or friends. my mom listened to some cool music when i was really young. she had eight tracks of elvis presley, simon & garfunkel, neil diamond, the beach boys, and the grass roots. somewhere along the line she left this stuff behind and has primarily listened to gospel since. my dad was big into country & western and 'trucker' music: things like kenny rogers, marty robins, red sovine, and patsy cline. i had a lot of seseme street stuff and those comic book and record thingies. it wasn't until i got my own radio that i was able to listen to whatever i wanted. i went up and down the dial listening to anything and everything. i love to listen to oldies stations that play stuff that i heard when i was younger. a song can bring you right back to that time & place when you first heard it. hmmm...so can a smell. i never really was cool. at least not as a kid. i've always been a bit of an outsider and that's probably why i don't worry too much about what others think. i'm not sure about the popular vs outsider theory; but it makes a lot of sense. i will admit that i've been in on an artist before they 'made it' and found the new converts tiresome. of course, that's not fair. we were all feg virgins at one point. still, we've never had to deal with robyn becoming 'popular'. there's something about mega-stardom that drains the 'cool-ness' out of an artist. as if they have to parse it out to too many people. that said, there are some artists who manage the hype and can still be cool. some love the spotlight and feed off it like jagger and ciconi. some are just there for the music like zimmerman and hitchcock. i guess attitude has a lot to do with it. sometimes it seems like anything can be cool if you pull it off. i can appreciate a lot of lame music and movies; but i recognize that they're lame. it's hard to deny a roomful of people dancing to some cheesy dance hit. i like abba, and kiss, and the carpenters; but don't have any of their albums. i have air supply's greatest hits, the first two culture club records, and way too many from olivia newton john. ken "have you never been mellow?" the kenster np world clique deee-lite sticks and seeds don't fill my needs tasty buds excite me http://www.msnbc.com/news/752500.asp ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #159 ********************************