From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #157 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, May 14 2002 Volume 11 : Number 157 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Mick Thomas [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] cooling you out, going beep in your ear [drew ] Re: I dig everything (cool v. un-) ["Michael Wells" ] Re: I dig everything (cool v. un-) [steve ] Re: I dig everything (cool v. un-) [steve ] pop irony & revisionism [] Re: I dig everything (cool v. un-)(now with .05% RH content) [Jeffrey wit] Re: a princess in a red dress [steve ] copy protected CDs and other stuff that sucks. [rosso@videotron.ca] I listened to the trees ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: copy protected CDs and other stuff that sucks. [gSs ] Re: Flying [gSs ] Re: copy protected CDs and other stuff that sucks. [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: copy protected CDs and other stuff that sucks. [gSs ] Re: Flying [gSs ] Re: I listened to the trees [JH3 ] Re: Flying [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: copy protected CDs and other stuff that sucks. [Stewart Russell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:24:15 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Mick Thomas >Mick Thomas used to have a band called 'Weddings Parties Anything' who had >an Oz hit with 'Father's Day'. I thought he was good, but my wife's >friends dismissed him as typical boring male angst. Anyone else heard of >him (Dave?). Weddings Parties Anything were pretty good IMHO - and did a great cover of the Triffids "Wide Open Road" on a compilation ablum I have called "Used and recovered by" (basically a load of Australian classic songs covered by other Aussie acts). Don't know anything about his solo work though. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 18:37:27 -0700 From: drew Subject: cooling you out, going beep in your ear > From: "ross taylor" > > So I'll try to give samples of my uncool that > I think either Rolling Stone or people I really > respect would find uncool. Shall I open up the > wound and let the puss flow? > > [...] > Human League, Dare A wonderfully dopey record, alternately irritating and sublime. Some of it is so clunky it's hard to listen to, which makes it even more stunning when "Seconds" and "Don't You Want Me?" come on. > Devo, Duty Now for the Future Devo's in that space where yeah, they're nerdy as all hell, but they're _so_ weird -- by which I mean normal where they should be weird and weird where they should be normal so that everyone's a little exasperated at the end of the day -- that I think they might actually be sort of cool. TMBG would be a better example of uncool geek music, I think. > James, Laid Ooh, yeah, even the Smiths fans beat up the James fans. See, I'm lucky in a way, because lots of my uncool music has camp appeal, e.g. Olivia Newton-John's Greatest Hits vol. 2. Have to believe she is magic. > From: Christopher Gross > BTW, what did we decide about Heart? I have Dreamboat Annie *and* > Little > Queen. I think they pretty much have to be uncool. I mean, you've got Dreamboat Annie sounding like a blues-free Led Zeppelin, and then the onslaught of Diane Warren, culminating in that horrible piece of musical laundry-powder sludge, "All I Wanna Do Is Make Love to You." But dear god, I love the pre-Brigade Heart in all their uncool manifestations. > In recent years I've been getting into music that was popular when I > was a > teenager, but which I hated with the white-hot self-righteous hatred > of a > teenage boy who never got laid. It's a lot easier to like that music when it's not currently a threat to the good but unpopular music. When the hype dies down, and all. > From: rosso@videotron.ca > What's the deal with > recent expressions of reverence by credible musicians for: > > Abba > Kiss > The Carpenters I fucking hate Kiss and have to claw my thigh when the Carpenters come on, but I really adore Abba, or at least a carefully skimmed Abba catalog (so here we may be running into the camp appeal again). Gold, for example, really is terrific and pure pop music, but let me tell you, I made the mistake of buying a non-compilation Abba album once and the rest of that thing was DIRE. And we used to run around singing songs from Chess all the time, which doesn't mean it was good but it does mean it was sort of fun. For me that's OK, which must mean I'm not a credible musician. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:31:23 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: I dig everything (cool v. un-) Chris: > -Ted Nugent: Great Gonzos (1981) cassette I think this has to be uncool simply because "Double Live Gonzo" is SO MUCH cooler. IIRC he was the largest grossing act in North America '79-'81 or something like that, and it was hard to escape untainted. Especially if you were male. Or actually wanted to listen to it, which I did. > BTW, what did we decide about Heart? I have Dreamboat Annie *and* Little > Queen. Drew: > I think they pretty much have to be uncool. I mean, > you've got Dreamboat Annie sounding like a blues-free > Led Zeppelin, and then the onslaught of Diane Warren, > culminating in that horrible piece of musical laundry-powder > sludge, "All I Wanna Do Is Make Love to You." But dear > god, I love the pre-Brigade Heart in all their uncool > manifestations. You're a braver man than I, Gunga Din; I draw the line at "Bebe le Strange." "Private Audition" and "Passionworks" did, in a a manner of speaking, blow chunkages (though "Heart" in '85 was OK). But glory the early years were good, and they kept up fantastic live shows through about '87. Twist up a fatty and bring your acoustic guitar out by the campfire music, that was. > > And like that. I've recently been on a kick of > > re-creating my record collection as a teenager, Unless K-Tel's "The Gold Album" has been reissued as CD, I wouldn't know where to start. Maybe throw down for a reissue of an old Styx record or something. > Quiet Riot and Twisted Sister were in their heyday. I actually saw TS twice, once opening for Dio (they were fabulous, really did a great job warming up about 20,000 mostly hostile fans) and another time opening for Iron Maiden (they were abyssmal, fans were still hostile). And Dee Snider looked better in a dress than some of the girls I knew. Michael "Oh yeah? what about Jay Jay French?" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 19:34:53 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: a princess in a red dress >Subject: I didn't spot the set-up (was he do the police in different >voices) > >A live Loud Family disc coming at the end of June! Lest anyone think I like the Loud Family (heaven forfend), "He do the police in different voices" is a line from Dickens - "Our Mutual Friend," I think. And lest anyone think I like "Rushmore," I actually haven't seen it. >This is as good an opportunity as any to express my perplexity at >the recent trend to canonise or at least beatify some old acts that >sucked, suck, and will continue to suck. What's the deal with >recent expressions of reverence by credible musicians for: > >Abba >Kiss >The Carpenters God, don't ask me. I consider both the bands and the latter-day reverence accorded them to be signs of the Apocalypse. To change the subject to good music, I bought one of the new Tom Waits albums, "Blood Money," and I think it's great. This is annoying, because it means I'll have to buy the other album. But what the hell. I will say in its disfavor that I am getting a little tired of hearing Tom's phlegm rattle around (hey Tom - don't drink so much milk!), and I'm also kind of tired of the omnipresent marimba. But these are small complaints. Nobody, but nobody can write a love song like the Tomster: "She's a rose, she's a pearl She's the spin on my world The stars make wishes on her eyes..." So I guess it's another $14.99 for "Alice," then... n. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:46:31 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: I dig everything (cool v. un-) On Monday, May 13, 2002, at 01:28 PM, Christopher Gross wrote: > BTW, what did we decide about Heart? It has been mentioned on other lists that the Wilson sisters are recording a new Heart album. With The Wondermints as the rest of the band. - - Steve __________ Shortly after becoming Attorney General, John Ashcroft was headed abroad. An advance team showed up at the American embassy in the Hague to check out the digs, saw cats in residence, and got nervous. They were worried there might be a calico cat. No, they were told, no calicos. Visible relief. Their boss, they explained, believes calico cats are signs of the devil. - Andrew Tobias, 11/20/01 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:54:03 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: I dig everything (cool v. un-) On Monday, May 13, 2002, at 10:11 PM, rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > What's the deal with recent expressions > of reverence by credible musicians for: > > Kiss Music for 13 year old boys of all ages. - - Steve __________ "The logic of missile defense is to make the stakes of power projection compatible with the risks of power projection," says Keith B. Payne, a deterrence theory expert and an ardent supporter of missile defense. - Bill Keler, NYT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 03:40:47 -0000 From: Subject: pop irony & revisionism <> Good Lord, that's the question of the hour, innit? This ABBA thing started happening several years ago after, I think, Kurdt Cobain happened to say something mildly positive and/or approving about them, and apres ca, le deluge. (IIRC, Nirvana did a hilarious cover of "God of Thunder" on a KISS tribute record.) I think it's the desperate need to throw something, anything, into the maw of nostalgia, whether or not anyone really wants it, which explains the stunt of the Scooby-Doo film that's coming up this summer. Who really, geniunely asked for that? Eddie Van Halen had an excellent line in response to all this KISS revivalism that began in earnest a few years ago -- he said something like, "Listen, I'm tired of hearing about how KISS was the great hidden influence on all the rock after them. I mean, those kids of the 80s weren't giving the nod to the great guitar playing of Ace Frehley, of all people -- no, it was me, in fact, all along." Can't argue with the man, there. Doesn't seem fair to pick on the Carpenters, to me...they can't defend themselves, and Karen Carpenter could really sing. I find it disarming that she originally was just the drummer for the band and wasn't particularly interested in singing, and yes, I watched that _Behind the Music_ episode in its entirety, more than once, I'm hopeless. Marshall np Lou Reed, _New York_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:13:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: I dig everything (cool v. un-)(now with .05% RH content) On Mon, 13 May 2002 rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > This is as good an opportunity as any to express my perplexity at > the recent trend to canonise or at least beatify some old acts that > sucked, suck, and will continue to suck. What's the deal with > recent expressions of reverence by credible musicians for: > > Abba > Kiss > The Carpenters Before I address this question, let me note the following: "Cool" is an inherently unstable compound. By definition, "cool" requires an in-group - and therefore an out-group. But the in-group must be smaller than the out-group; otherwise we're defining "popular." Furthermore, there's always pressure on "cool" to stay one step ahead of the warming effects of mass popularity (thus the "I only liked their first, self-released 45 - they sucked after that" phenomenon). But this tends to mean that, as "cool" is constantly redefining itself against popularity on the one hand, it necessarily keeps bumping up against "uncool" on the other. While "uncool" is sometimes just elderly cool, it more often is either popular, or neither popular nor cool. And it's that last category that causes problems: since new cool must draw from the very same category. (Note: old cool cannot become new cool again without an intervening period of a third state - indifference is best, I think.) So it's very easy to trump the slightly laggard coolmongers by gambling on a (hopefully formerly) uncool fetish: "grunge" obviously tired, mainstream, dull, etc.? Try "lounge": what was once the most uncool possible music is transmuted (for a few hours there in 1997) into cool. Anyway: I think Abba benefited largely from this whole phenomenon, from the always-powerful influence of camp, and from the fact that, like them or not, they did write a few very catchy songs (yeah, I know: the plague is catchy too). Kiss? I think it's sort of an age/nostalgia thing: the return of the one's inner 13-year-old boy, plus the fact that on the one hand they were/are blatantly commercial but in an utterly fun and unpretentious way. Blood, fire, huge boots, disturbing tongues...what's not to like? Carpenters? Harder one for me...I think Karen Carpenter as martyr has a lot to do with it. Assume she really wanted to be a drummer, and the riot-grrrls will be out in force supporting her. However: "Superstar" (is that the title? "Don't you remember you told me you loved me baby?") is a seriously warped, freaky song - go and listen to Sonic Youth's cover if you don't believe me. (Disclosure: I own Abba _Gold_, nothing by Kiss (except "Hard Luck Woman" on a very decrepit cassette), and nothing by the Carpenters (no, not that trib. album either). - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey, who wishes to note that some guy we occasionally talk about covered "Kung Fu Fighting"... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Being young, carefree, having your whole life ahead of you, ::dancing the night away to celebrate... ::oh, and the untimely death of Jackson Pollock. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 00:05:51 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: a princess in a red dress On Monday, May 13, 2002, at 09:34 PM, Natalie Jane wrote: > Lest anyone think I like the Loud Family (heaven forfend) Is it Scott Miller's uncanny resemblance to Spike Spiegel? - - Steve __________ Pat Robertson's resignation this month as president of the Christian Coalition confirmed the ascendance of a new leader of the religious right in America: George W. Bush. - Dana Milbank - Harpers Weekly Review, 12/25/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:43:52 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: copy protected CDs and other stuff that sucks. I can't vouch for it, but: http://www.chip.de/praxis_wissen/praxis_wissen_8725919.html Use Babelfish or Hagedorn if necessary. ... and what still baffles me in spite of Jeffrey's good analysis of the "uncool-as-cool" thing is that it's not just the briefcases who are pushing this stuff on us, but artists whose opinions I could otherwise take seriously. When Robyn covered Kung Fu Fighting, it wasn't done in even mock reverence. This Abba/Kiss/Carpenters thing is different. The A/K/C thing reminds me of when Homer takes a cannonball to the gut as an opening show for a rock concert: Kid1 "That is so cool!" Kid2 "Are you being sarcastic?" Kid1 "Aw, I don't even know anymore." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 06:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: I listened to the trees > From: invader woj > > so far, nary a feg has > given me an opinion about which one they prefer. I prefer #3. It is a little hot on the high frequencies (played through WinAmp and cheesy Jensen headphones), but its fidelity doesn't suffer as much as in the other two files. Numbers 1 and 2 sound compressed and flat to my ears. . LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:25:36 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: copy protected CDs and other stuff that sucks. - --On Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:43:52 -0400 rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > I can't vouch for it, but: > http://www.chip.de/praxis_wissen/praxis_wissen_8725919.html Well, CHIP ist not exactly the computer magazine with the best reputation, but who knows? > Use Babelfish or Hagedorn if necessary. I suppose the pictures are enough? They recommend the pen method ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Being just contaminates the void - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 06:31:15 -0700 (PDT) From: FS Thomas Subject: Re: copy protected CDs and other stuff that sucks. - --- Sebastian Hagedorn > I suppose the pictures are enough? They recommend > the pen method ... Has anyone run into copy protected discs yet? I haven't bought as many new CDs lately as I have in the past, but have yet to come across one. - -ferris. ===== email: ferris@ochremedia.com ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (work) AOL IM: ferraatu - ------------------------------ LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:47:14 +0000 From: "Sloe Rose" Subject: Flying Ross, Im afraid your guilty pleasures are not far removed from mine--Richard Harris and orchestra doing Jimmy Webb, Steppenwolf, Gary Lewis and the Playboys(have been waiting for them to turn up.)(Also Hermans Hermits, Gary and the Pacemakers, Freddie and the Dreamers, Dave Clark 5, Hollies --all - -utterly- uncool pop.) Must be our age showing. However I will never aquesce to the idea that Paul Revere and the Raiders doing "Kicks" is anything but ultametly cool. Why some stridently angry, ironic, kick-ass band hasnt covered this I dont know. Not only is a great pop song but, well, the sentiment is eternal, mais oui? and Ive always -wanted- one of those pretty blue jackets;-) Now for some of my own which will horrify the list,(sometimes the truth really hurts but Elvis was in the library this morning and told me to confess): Any Donavan I can scoop up Jackson Brown up thru the 4th albumn Springsteen U2 James Taylor on and off "Baker Street" by Gerry Rafferty Motown up your ass, especially the 4 Tops Spinners Elton John up thru "Yellow Brick Road" Slade on and off Zep at full volume Judy Collins Weird shit I love that I got turned on to by the dread RS: Judee Sill(the female Nick Drake( better dodge and run fast !now!) Luckily, the Abba, Kiss, Carpenters revivals pass me by utterly, thou I find some of Abba the most listamble of the lot. Like with "The Brady Bunch" I was a bit too old. I think we -all- have a weakness for the 2nd-rate pop stuff that was around when we first fell in love with music. Its an age thing. Between the age of 6 and 12 you realized that there was this other miraculous kingdom called music. You imprint on whatever is around at the time like a duck to a scientist. Its your mother and you follow it till you realize that, unlike mom, you can fly. Always as much a pea as a princess, And -always- longingly Kay "I'm afraid of librarians -- they have whips and high heels." Andrei Codrescu _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:49:47 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: copy protected CDs and other stuff that sucks. On Tue, 14 May 2002, FS Thomas wrote: > Has anyone run into copy protected discs yet? No protected cds yet but I am still having trouble viewing a couple dvds. the player is an apex 500w and I purchased an rf modulator which has rca ins for audio and video and then a coax out that runs directly to the tv, but the picture is still contorted. Interestingly though, the entire Monty Python series from TL plays perfectly. I took the discs and the modulator back to the place I bought the modulator and they could not get the videos to display correctly on any tv when using the coax line. The discs are Rush Chronicles and the Star Trek Movie. Why won't the rf modulator correct the signal? I do not want to buy a new tv because the one I am using is less than 12 years old. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:57:12 -0500 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: Re: copy protected CDs and other stuff that sucks. At 08:49 AM 5/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: >On Tue, 14 May 2002, FS Thomas wrote: > > Has anyone run into copy protected discs yet? We can't play the kids' Shrek CD in our portable Sony CD player. We've got a car kit for it and the CD won't play. It plays fine in the regular CD players but not on the portable. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:10:25 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Flying On Tue, 14 May 2002, Sloe Rose wrote: > Weird shit I love that I got turned on to by the dread RS: > Judee Sill(the female Nick Drake( better dodge and run fast !now!) i thought nick was a girl, initially? my uncool list includes: the supremes (almost every song) - we are working on a supremes song hall & oates (3 songs) springsteen (3 songs) 38 special (2 songs) foghat - my band does a foghat cover, 'ain't livin long like this' molly hatchett the ventures the tempations todd rundgren hank snow seals & croft roy acuff wilco - i would like my band to become a wilco cover band but I am the only one who ever even mentions that one lovin' spoonful the cars tom petty emmy lou harris billy paul the champs leo kotke the shirelles - we are working on a shirelles cover too strawberry alarm clock gordon lightfoot townes van zandt - i always do a townes van zandt cover whether the rest of the band wants to do one or not townes van zandt townes van zandt gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:13:52 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Flying plus anvil and riot (not quiet riot) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:31:23 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: copy protected CDs and other stuff that sucks. On 14 May 2002, at 6:31, FS Thomas wrote: > Has anyone run into copy protected discs yet? Here's a list: http://www.fatchucks.com/z3.cd.html BTW, in Canada at least, HMV has a policy to refund your purchase price if you're not satisfied. I'd say finding out your CD has been crippled is an adequate reason for dissatisfaction. My favourite indie shops would be likely to answer honestly if I asked them if the CDs were crippled. I guess I'm going to have to avoid shops that will neither offer a refund nor information. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:50:33 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: copy protected CDs and other stuff that sucks. is there a way to make a digital copy of these new cds? and what is the method of protection? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:10:42 -0700 (PDT) From: FS Thomas Subject: Re: I listened to the trees - --- "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." wrote: > I prefer #3. It is a little hot on the high > frequencies (played through WinAmp > and cheesy Jensen headphones), but its fidelity > doesn't suffer as much as in > the other two files. Numbers 1 and 2 sound > compressed and flat to my ears. Bite your tongue! There's not a lick of compression on #1! (and I can say that with relative certainty as it's mine...) #3 has had the most pre-master digital meddling done on it. While the forward presence of the audio is nice, I've listened to them a couple of times and--though headphones at least--the channel-swapping of the audio's a bit distracting. Maybe it's the MP3 or the player (newest winAmp,) but I swear I can pick out some digital flux that might (I said might...) be the result of clean up effects run on the track. - -f. ===== email: ferris@ochremedia.com ferris_thomas@mcgraw-hill.com (work) AOL IM: ferraatu - ------------------------------ LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:07:00 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Flying > springsteen (3 songs) +2, i forgot about i'm on fire and cover me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:17:27 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: I listened to the trees Ferris T. wrote: > Bite your tongue! There's not a lick of compression > on #1! (and I can say that with relative certainty as > it's mine...) Maybe Gene just meant that it didn't have a lot of highs and lows in it? It's a tough call, IMO. The #3 version does have the best frequency response, but you'd expect that if it's been EQ'd already. Either way, if the higher gain was there to begin with, that recording should produce a better signal-to-noise ratio, and thus less noise, in the final result... But like Ferris says, it also seems to suffer from more of the traditional audience-recording problems (inconsistent stereo imaging and mic-shifting/audience-talk noise "glitches") than the other two... it's a shame because the #3 recording sounds like it has a better stereo image to start with, i.e., the mics were better-separated and/or more directional. Or maybe that's just my imagination. As for the first two, I prefer #1 to #2 -- it seems to have slightly better frequency response and a bit less noise. But they're close enough in quality that the decision really ought to be made by just comparing the total number of ambient- noise glitches (I didn't hear any in those two songs for either one) over the course of the entire gig. (Obviously one of the most frustrating things about audience taping is that you can have the best gear in the world, but all it takes is a few jostles from some 'shole standing behind you to mess it all up.) Overall, I guess I personally would still prefer #1 because I could always sweeten it myself once I got a copy, whereas with #3 there'd be no easy way to fix the stereo image and remove the ambient sounds, assuming it's like that on most/all the tracks... But without any such alterations (other than to reduce the gain a bit), I can see how some would prefer #3, assuming the channel dropoffs don't bother them too much. They're not so noticeable if you don't listen through headphones. My apologies if I seem excessively critical... They're all good, better than I could ever manage, and I'd be happy with any of them, really I would! John "the wacky audiophile" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:44:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Flying On Tue, 14 May 2002, gSs wrote: > wilco - i would like my band to become a wilco cover band Surely you jest - since when is Wilco "uncool"? Miles? > emmy lou harris > townes van zandt - i always do a townes van zandt cover whether the rest of And I gotta say, the critical reps of these two seem pretty secure as well. One other thing: we all "know" that Abba, Kiss, The Carpenters "suck"...but why? What exactly is it about their music that sucks? (I'm not agree or dis- - just askin') Are we so sure that we're not just being cool in *assuming* as a known quantity these acts' suckitude? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach":: __William Gass__ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:14:09 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: copy protected CDs and other stuff that sucks. FS Thomas wrote: > > Has anyone run into copy protected discs yet? No, but I love the story of the latest Celine Dion CD causing iMacs to commit suicide. The only appropriate response, really. Stewart - -- Gandalf Graphics Limited, Markham, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:40:58 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: copy protected CDs and other stuff that sucks. >> Has anyone run into copy protected discs yet? >> >No, but I love the story of the latest Celine Dion CD causing iMacs >to commit suicide. The only appropriate response, really. I got a copy of Einsturzende Neubauten's "Berlin Babylon," and when I tried to play it in my Mac, it killed it. I was on Tech Support for an hour until it was back up and running -- only then did I see the German (!) warning not to play the disc on a computer! - --Der Quaalmensch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:48:34 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Flying On Tue, 14 May 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Surely you jest - since when is Wilco "uncool"? Miles? as hard as it is to believe, some check uncool beside wilco. my entire band hates them, but that is probably my fault. > One other thing: we all "know" that Abba, Kiss, The Carpenters the carpenters where cool, abba was cool but kiss pretty much always sucked, after I was 9. and i am the best judge of music i have ever known. gSs ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #157 ********************************