From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #144 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, May 5 2002 Volume 11 : Number 144 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Because they have no bones [Michael R Godwin ] Re: FW: EC the master of the putdown [Michael R Godwin ] and the whole grace by default thing [gSs ] Re: and the whole grace by default thing [Stewart Russell ] Re: the good, the bad, and the beautiful [The Great Quail ] Musical Insults [The Great Quail ] Re: Musical Insults ["Mike Wells" ] Re: Musical Insults [Stewart Russell ] Re: and the whole robyn by default thing [gSs ] Re: sharp teeth [Tom Clark ] Re: slow list? then recent aquisitions [Tom Clark ] Re: slow list? then recent aquisitions ["ross taylor" ] OT: Internet Portals [Tom Clark ] west coast gigs [mike hooker ] business as usual in the North East [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Monsterbedriften [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 11:30:22 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Because they have no bones 'Free bananas' pledge wins election: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/newsid_1965000/1965569.stm - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 13:37:53 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: FW: EC the master of the putdown On Thu, 2 May 2002, Cynthia Peterson wrote: > The list is incredibly long. Since it was a slow post day I thought I > could get away with including it. I have to say, the last one was a new > one on me. Brings to mind XTC's "Your Dictionary." > www.popcultmag.com > Elvis Costello has written hundreds of songs in a dizzying array of > styles over the last 25 years, but at least one element has been a > constant: insults. Sure, he's capable of gorgeous, delicate songs of > love and loss ("So Like Candy" and "Almost Blue" are a good start), [snip] C'rect me if I'm wrong, but isn't 'Almost Blue' by Chet Baker? - - Mike Godwin n.p. Byrds "I know my rider" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 06:36:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: nick and the bad seeds >> From: Ken Ostrander > > saw nick and the bad seeds last night. OK, to do my part to keep list traffic up, I'll put in my two cents ;-). I've always been on the fence about Mr. Cave et al. I have a few of his early LPs, and quite like them ("The First Born Is Dead," "Kicking Against The Pricks," a little bit of the Birthday Party, and plenty of Einstuerzende Neubauten and Lydia Lunch LPs -- they're all basically the same group, anyway). But around the time of Mercy Seat and afterwards, I thought he became a bit over-the-top for my tastes. I've read far, far too much Flannery O'Connor to take his religious schtick seriously (IMHO. Nick Cave is *no* Hazel Motes.) If I want Gothic, I'll take O'Connor or Cormac McCarthy over Cave anyday. But, however, Johnny Cash does a ruthless cover of "Mercy Seat" on one of his recent Rick Rubin-produced LPs, and it has got me rethinking Cave. Anyway, what I've heard of his latest album, I quite like, and I don't doubt that Nick and the Bad Seeds are an engaging band in the right setting. I saw them at Lollapalooza and it just didn't work for me. But Lollapalooza didn't work for me either (I got in free for two of them and went to gawk at the freakshow. I did get to see Stereolab on a side stage, which was nice, and Pearl Jam was pathetic enough to be a good distraction while I spent an hour in line waiting to buy a $15 hotdog for lunch. And the people passing around free drugs didn't hurt either). So, yes, I agree that they probably put on a good show and I'd like to catch them live. If they'd play with Calexico, The Dirty Three, and Court and Spark, then it'd be a real Gothic Spaghetti Western Fey Ennui Festival worth checking out, too. . Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 09:45:40 -0400 From: Keith Hanlon Subject: Re: FW: EC the master of the putdown At 01:37 PM 5/3/2002 +0100, you wrote: >C'rect me if I'm wrong, but isn't 'Almost Blue' by Chet Baker? No, he wrote "Almost Blue" with Chet Baker in mind, and was surprised when he actually recorded it. In addition to being "master of the putdown," I'd also like to nominate Elvis for "master of self-deprecation." Listen to "When I Was Cruel" from the new album of the same name. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:56:12 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: FW: EC the master of the putdown Keith: > In addition to being "master of the putdown," I'd also like > to nominate > Elvis for "master of self-deprecation." Listen to "When I Was > Cruel" from > the new album of the same name. Word. One of the standout couplets in the standout verse of that song, I hear this way (as do all of the people I've talked to): "You were a spoiled child then with a record to plug And I was a shaven-headed seaside thug" (the speaker is addressing the singer, FWIW) I get a kick out of the fact that Stephen Thomas Erlewine, whose job it is to be wrong about music for All Music Guide, not only hears "record to plug" as "rectal plug", but chose to say so in his review at AMG. Misheard lyrics are the window to the soul... +brian in New Orleans ("Lucky the pig wears a hat with a brim") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 11:05:53 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: nick and the bad seeds On Fri, May 3, 2002, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > I saw > them at Lollapalooza and it just didn't work for me. Wouldn't have for me either. I have been a huge Cave fan for a long time, and by Lollapalooza had already seen Nick in various forms. Knowing what I knew about Hurricane Nick live, plus the fact that I had just had this awesome 2-day stint with Nick and Die Haut in Brazil, I refused to go. No way I wanted to see him in that venue. I was never a big Nine Inch Nails fan, but I saw them in 1989 in a little club in NJ and then caught them again at Lollapalooza. My same thought on that. They were very good in a small dark smoky club, but a huge stage, especially in the daylight, was bad. > So, yes, I agree that they probably put on a good show and I'd like to catch > them live. Saying that The Bad Seeds probably put on a good show is one of the biggest understatements I ever heard. The Bad Seeds and all their related bands are total perfectionists and it shows. It is one of the tightest and most intense things you will ever see. As many times as I have seen them in their various incarnations (Bad Seeds, Nick solo, Einsturzende Neubauten, Die Haut), they never cease to totally blow me away. I honestly can't think of a better live band than The Bad Seeds. At the end of the show my friend next to me mentioned the tornado warning for the NY area, and I said that it had just passed through. Don't debate. Go see him. He doesn't get to the US that often. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:09:05 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: and the whole grace by default thing 1991, the video for the R.E.M. song 'Losing My Religion', was banned in Ireland. It's religious imagery was seen as unfit for broadcast. http://www.thisdayinmusic.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ is benny hinn a big hit in the uk? why doesn't someone say something to him about that wicked nested combover thingie? is it common in dublin? grace by default, sounds like a good album title. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 11:18:10 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: and the whole grace by default thing gSs wrote: > > grace by default, sounds like a good album title. but default's an awful name for a band, and Buckley Jr took 'Grace' as an album name of note long ago. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:26:25 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: the whole bandnames by default thing > but default's an awful name for a band, and Buckley Jr took 'Grace' as > an album name of note long ago. > > Stewart Agree with that, though I must confess to toying with the idea of "Mr. Bluescreen and the General Protection Faults" as our college band name. Michael "it's a $2000 fan now, thanks" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:25:25 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: and the whole grace by default thing On Fri, 3 May 2002, Stewart Russell wrote: > gSs wrote: > > > > grace by default, sounds like a good album title. > > but default's an awful name for a band, and Buckley Jr took 'Grace' as > an album name of note long ago. it is a statement or maybe a question, but not a band name and album title. and by design could be an indirect god reference either flattering or not. though it could also be just part of the daily assignment list at say,,, a brothel. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 11:50:11 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: the good, the bad, and the beautiful Ken "The Original" Kenster writes, >saw nick and the bad seeds last night. As did I! It was the first time I had ever seen Nick Cave. Really, really, really, go if you have the chance. It was amazing -- the only concerts that I can compare with it for intensity are Hawkwind in 95, and Patti Smith at the 98 Guinness Fleadh. Even LJ said it was one of the best shows she's ever seen.... - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 12:00:27 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: slow list? then recent aquisitions All hail used book stores & vinyl! All for under $3.00 -- Silver Pistol, Brinsley Schwartz -- the best album by The Band to be actually made by Brits. 1972 Hollywood Dream, Thunderclap Newman -- produced by Pete Townsend, sounds a bit like him w/ more acoustic instruments, an even thinner voice. Same childish, comic-book mysticism, but yikes, the voice. 1970 Katrina & the Waves (the 1986 album, after the WOS one, don't have it in front of me.) The two best songs IMO are by Kimberly, incl. "Is That It?" (pre Strokes!), which sounds like Stax soul. Some great guitar, *very* pop. IMO the late 80s weren't a good time for pop, I was mostly listening to noisy stuff then, or REM-like things, which this aint. Heyday, Fairport Convention (BBC Sessions) -- lovely songs, terrible sound. Great to hear them do Everly Brothers, Leonard Cohen. On Tam Lin they pull the rug out from under the Jefferson Airplane. With today's technology, why can't record companies more often boost the sound quality on things like this? 1970 Dave Edmunds, Rockpile (1972, no Nick Lowe) -- His voice isn't as good as his guitar, but he's a great vocal mimic, goes from sounding exactly like Chuck Berry to exactly like Eddie Cochran to exactly like Bob Dylan. An extra Jewels for Sophia -- my original was a promo copy & didn't have the nice pictures. I love the title song. Love the disk. The Hives -- new, $9. Punk rock won't go away. This email was brought to you by Second Story Books (Dupont Circle location, P & 20th), the CD Cellar (Rt. 7 in Falls Chuch, below Caffeine) and the letter R. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 09:14:22 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: sharp teeth So I've just had an extraordinarily shitty week, the highlight of which was receiving a deep and extremely gory cat bite on my left (dominant) hand. I've never been hustled into the ER so fast. On the plus side, I got to skip two days of work and hang out with the lovely and talented Carole on her day off. She showed me Elliott Smith videos on her computer. I admired the ability of one video director to make Smith look attrac - well, less than homely, anyway. Another bad thing that happened was that my PowerMac fell out of love with my monitor, which now only shows a blank screen or wallpaper. If there's any "Mac people" out there who can help, please e-mail me *privately*. Thanks. (I've been unable to get any tech support from Apple. I'd blame this on Tom if he still worked there.) I loved the Elvis Costello insults. It reminds me of this article in Select I saw once, that was excoriating Morrissey for failing to properly insult the author of a book about the Smiths that Morrissey didn't like. The writer of the article started citing great music-related insults of the past, including Elvis's "I'd like to be his funeral director," Mark E. Smith's "He couldn't tell Lou Reed from Doug Yule," and, of course, "And when I have destroyed you I'll come picking at your bones/And you won't have a single atom left to call your own" ("Nice work there from Robyn Hitchcock"). Anyway. n. p.s. I had a dream last night that I went to visit Carole at work, and Michael Wolfe came in, but he was so immensely tall that he didn't notice me. He was so tall that my head only came up to his waist. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 12:34:16 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Musical Insults I like Robyn's: "The horror of you floats so close by my window / At least when I die, your memory will too." Though of course, I am still not sure that's actually an insult, given that I read "Mexican God" in two completely separate ways! - --Q - -- +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 11:51:05 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Musical Insults I like the EC and RH ones, but for my money I've got to give the ribbon to Mr. Lee Ving for his subtle observation on the human condition: I I don't care about you Fuck You (from Fear : Record) Michael "Beef Boloney" Wells np: Fear : Record ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 13:42:45 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Musical Insults did I miss the mention of 'Trash'? Sometimes it's my favourite song. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 13:55:11 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: and the whole robyn by default thing i did a search at altavista on: "keith AND mansfield AND texas AND NOT troop AND NOT warren AND NOT knives AND NOT dobbs AND guitar AND music" trying to find a guitar player's phone number and got this: http://www.iowrock.demon.co.uk/nothing/iow_nothing_rhbus.html shit you not i. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 12:00:52 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: sharp teeth on 5/3/02 9:14 AM, Natalie Jane at emma_blowgun@hotmail.com wrote: > Another bad thing that happened was that my PowerMac fell out of love with > my monitor, which now only shows a blank screen or wallpaper. If there's > any "Mac people" out there who can help, please e-mail me *privately*. > Thanks. (I've been unable to get any tech support from Apple. I'd blame > this on Tom if he still worked there.) > Blame me anyway; I can take it. Of course you need to first make sure the monitor isn't bad. If it's not, then you might just have to replace the video card. Fifty bucks, please. > The writer of the article started citing great music-related insults of the > past, including Elvis's "I'd like to be his funeral director," > Not musical, but classic nonetheless: "I'll eat pancakes on your grave." -Bruce McCullough, The Kids In The Hall > Michael Wolfe ... was so tall that my head only came up to his waist. No comment. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 12:04:42 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: slow list? then recent aquisitions on 5/3/02 9:00 AM, ross taylor at protay2@eudoramail.com wrote: > Silver Pistol, Brinsley Schwartz -- the best > album by The Band to be actually made by Brits. > 1972 > When I was really into Nick Lowe (c. 1982), I special ordered this LP. Bought the CD when it first appeared, along with "Nervous On The Road". Classic stuff. > > The Hives -- new, $9. Punk rock won't go away. Is this any good? Will I be hoodwinked, ala The Strokes? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 15:53:04 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re: slow list? then recent aquisitions On Fri, 03 May 2002 12:04:42 Tom Clark wrote: >> >> The Hives -- new, $9. Punk rock won't go away. > >Is this any good? Will I be hoodwinked, ala The Strokes? > Well, I didn't get the Strokes because I couldn't find them in my indy stores, so I only know them from listening stations. I think this is a bit more energetic & a bit less easy to say "sounds like ..." But it sounds a good bit like 1977. But with funny accents. Not too far from the Skids. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 13:00:34 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: Re: sharp teeth >Blame me anyway; I can take it. Of course you need to first make >sure the >monitor isn't bad. If it's not, then you might just have to >replace the >video card. I eschew technological explanations. I believe that my CPU and my monitor simply don't get along. They were doing fine up until Sunday morning, until they started arguing over the grammar in one of my stories, and it was all downhill from there. >Fifty bucks, please. No. >"I'll eat pancakes on your grave." > -Bruce McCullough, The Kids In The Hall Mmm.... pancakes. >No comment. Ditto. n. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 14:26:52 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: OT: Internet Portals Yo feggies, I've become increasingly pissed off at the amount of flashy banner ads and imposed content on my Yahoo! home page, so I'm looking for alternatives. My DSL provider (PacBell/SBC) has a portal page, but it's not customizable. I just went through the rigors of setting up an Excite account, but it pretty much sucks too. Anybody have any advice for a good, flexible, and relatively ad-free portal? I'm thinking I would even pay Yahoo a small subscription fee if they would just get rid of the ads! tia, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 20:04:23 -0400 From: mike hooker Subject: west coast gigs hi, anybody tape SF or largo who wants to trade for the NYC gigs? thanks please see my music trading page: New URL http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html being its AOL, its not always up. try it a few times, or ask me for a text list. thanks have fun, mike hooker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 12:34:48 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: business as usual in the North East James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 13:48:54 -0500 From: steve Subject: Monsterbedriften Actually, it's another Lilo & Stitch trailer - http://media.filmweb.no/trailere/bvi/BVI20020177/1.mov - - Steve __________ "When we were getting ready to announce for the 1992 campaign, the Bush people said to us, 'Don't run this time -- wait four years and you'll have a free pass. If you do run, we'll destroy you.' And I said to Bill, 'What are they talking about -- how could they do that?' And now we're finding out." - Hillary Clinton to David Talbot, March 1998 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #144 ********************************