From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #139 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, April 28 2002 Volume 11 : Number 139 Today's Subjects: ----------------- kexp [mike hooker ] Re: but gun control is easier to swallow than astrology [Jeffrey with 2 F] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #138 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] I sniff a Kinks lyric [Jill Brand ] Robyn at Amoeba, 27 April 2002 ["Chris Franz" ] son of a...well, you know [drew ] romans in scotland [Eleanore Adams ] Re: oh for the love of pete [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: More Eastwood, no robyn [The other Mr Feg ] Re: Mellow DVD [The other Mr Feg ] Re: More Eastwood, no robyn [Eleanore Adams ] Re: San Francisco Show etc. [drew ] Briggs [The Great Quail ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:47:53 -0400 From: mike hooker Subject: kexp hi, anybody record the KEXP visit robyn made? thanks please see my music trading page: New URL http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html being its AOL, its not always up. try it a few times, or ask me for a text list. thanks have fun, mike hooker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:48:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: but gun control is easier to swallow than astrology On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, gSs wrote: > On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > And this is compared to how many gun deaths per capita in the US? > > I miss the point. I was not making a comparison between countries. There > is little or no gun control in the US, as it should be. I was just > comparing two fruitless wars and their effectiveness in combating > fictionalized enemies. I took your point to be something like, "See? Gun control laws don't work, so we shouldn't have them." My point, on the other hand, was, "Yes, no gun control law, no matter how strict (as Germany's), will wholly prevent such massacres...but the US's laws are far looser than Germany's, and we have a far, far higher rate of gun deaths than Germany does." That is, of course gun laws won't prevent all gun deaths...but it hardly seems a coincidence that the nation with the most (or nearly so - esp. given that we're not in the midst of a civil war or anything similar) gun deaths is also the nation with the loosest gun laws, and nations that have far fewer gun deaths have stricter laws. The comparison with the drug war makes little sense: aside from hunting rifles (and, I suppose, guns used by police and the military), guns have no purpose other than putting large holes in people, and as such would not seem to be intrinsically desirable. Drugs, on the other hand, have always, do now, and will always be attractive to people - because they make people feel better. Yes, rational people will look at the effects of *some* drugs and conclude that the pain those particular drugs cause is greater than the pleasure, and avoid them - but a drug-free society has never existed, and never will, so long as we humans dig pleasure. Certainly, a gun-free society is unlikely ever to exist either - or more germanely, a violence-free society - but guns just make it too damned easy. And more of them do not make it easier. One more thing: the argument that laws do not succeed in preventing the behavior they prohibit is a very weak argument against them; otherwise, we might as well eliminate all laws, as all laws are violated. The argument against drug laws (on which, it seems, you and I are probably in closer agreement) is that they, in fact, cause *more* harm than the drugs themselves would - particularly if criminal incentive were removed. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::crumple zones:::::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::::small-craft warning:: np: rough mix of a CD-R I'm making for a friend - right now, Sam Hinton "Old Man Atom"; previously, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum "Ablutions" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:12:48 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #138 >ForFvcksake-- > >Love the v's for u's -- looks like something >that would be carved on some Roman ruin ... only >the Romans didn't go to Scotland, that's why >they built that big wall, to keep the wild >people out ... They did! They built an earlier one in Scotland IIRC, but it didn't work, so they moved south and did exactly the same thing again. Bureaucrats at heart, they must have been. >Love Minus Zero/No limpet Limpets! I've been a fan of them since the Winter Limpet Games in Salt Lake City! >I think the real issue is that whether Mucky or Bucky, if the pig >actually exists, why is there the presumtion that she's male?! > >Eh? good point. We've only been assuming that the 'him' refers back to the protagonist. It could be a third party is in line for scrutiny. That is, assuming it's not 'ham'. Ob Middle East - note that neither the Palestinians or Israelis would take kindly to being offered a plate of ham. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 21:14:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: I sniff a Kinks lyric "you can keep your smart modern painters, give me Rembrandt, Turner, Constable & Gainsborough" This twentieth century woman spied that one, Ross. Jill, who went to see Dave Davies for the 30th or somethingth time on Thursday night and had the most fun hanging out with the bass player; Ken, where were you and are you coming up to see your man on 5/1? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:21:30 +0000 From: "Chris Franz" Subject: Robyn at Amoeba, 27 April 2002 Lavender shirt with some sort of pattern in black. This Could Be The Day Serpent at the Gates of Wisdom Not Dark Yet Pre-Operational (?) When I Was Dead Om (?) ("This won't be on the new Soft Boys album, but will probably be a b-side") DeChirico Street Visions of Johanna Incidentally, last night Jon Brions hair, facial hair, hat, attire, and attitude all bore a disturbing resemblance to that of Brad Pitt's character in "Snatch." For whatever that's worth. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:06:00 -0700 From: drew Subject: son of a...well, you know > from: The Great Quail > [The Preacher comic] > It's really not for everyone -- it can > be pretty raw and offensive, and its message is pretty anti-Christian Plus the machismo can be a little annoying. However, I get the impression from what little I've read that the subject of the whole hebang is exploring masculinity in relation to religion and other cultural forces, so that's only to be expected. A couple of Robyn notes. First, all this talk about Jewels For Sophia had me listening to it yesterday, and I suddenly remembered the reason I like the album: that run from "NASA Clapping" to "No, I Don't Remember Guil(d)ford" is _perfect_. The other songs are OK, but those are my favorites. The production is wonderful, the songwriting's energetic, and the guests, Grant-Lee Phillips and Kimberley Rew, add a lot to the performances. Rew in particular -- I never noticed before how much joy pours off his fingers and into the guitar. The other note is that I've started listening to Robyn Sings. I know already I won't be putting it on very often, partly because I would have to be in the mood for Dylan (rare) but also because, shockingly, I think I prefer hearing Dylan sing Dylan. Dylan's voice, odd as it is, has a warmth and an awareness that makes you feel as if he's keeping you company; Robyn's, on these tracks, sounds like tombstones. Dylan's "Desolation Row" is a low place, and dark, but people live there, even though they're down and out; Robyn's feels like a ghost town. The effect is not necessarily unpleasant, but I don't know if I like it. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:26:54 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: romans in scotland when me and my husband were in scotland we bought in Inverness 2 roman legion nails that were escavated from a roman legion frontier base near Dunkeld. We have a history on them, and they were sold to help fund the escavation (there were a lot of mails found). The romans left the area in 87 AD. e On Saturday, April 27, 2002, at 04:12 PM, James Dignan wrote: >> ForFvcksake-- >> >> Love the v's for u's -- looks like something >> that would be carved on some Roman ruin ... only >> the Romans didn't go to Scotland, that's why >> they built that big wall, to keep the wild >> people out ... > > They did! They built an earlier one in Scotland IIRC, but it didn't > work, > so they moved south and did exactly the same thing again. Bureaucrats at > heart, they must have been. > >> Love Minus Zero/No limpet > > Limpets! I've been a fan of them since the Winter Limpet Games in Salt > Lake > City! > >> I think the real issue is that whether Mucky or Bucky, if the pig >> actually exists, why is there the presumtion that she's male?! >> >> Eh? > > good point. We've only been assuming that the 'him' refers back to the > protagonist. It could be a third party is in line for scrutiny. That is, > assuming it's not 'ham'. > > Ob Middle East - note that neither the Palestinians or Israelis would > take > kindly to being offered a plate of ham. > > James > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > .-=-.-=-.-=-.- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. > -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance > =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time > -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 00:54:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: oh for the love of pete Who's Pete? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:20:42 +0000 From: "Chris Franz" Subject: Everybody has imperfect memories, I mean how high is a pile of crockery? First off, I may have understated how good the various musicians were last night. Fiona Apple's frail image seems a bit artificial, but the girl sang with power. Bill Frisell was an outstanding guitarist, and Jon Brion's set was awesome. In any case... Paul F. Tompkins warmed us up again, and whereas he was good last night, tonight he was very good. After his spiel, Robyn appeared in a purple shirt with big flowers on it, sitting at a piano. He announced, "I've never played this before in front of an audience, and I'll never play it again." And off he went. Nocturne Ted, Woody, & Junior Insect Mother A Man's Got To Know His Limitations, Briggs Twist of Fate (Dylan) Trilobite Linctus House Dark Princess Heliotrope "Wisely, little string, you yield to my twisting digits" She Doesn't Exist Unsettled Beautiful Girl I Feel Beautiful Second set was introduced by Tompkins in a smoking jacket. Out popped Robyn and Jon... in smoking jackets. You've Got A Sweet Mouth On You, Baby This Could Be The Day Not Dark Yet Feels Like 1974 More Than This Lysander Chapter 24 Ride Right, it's bedtime. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:46:51 -0400 From: invader woj Subject: Re: Everybody has imperfect memories, I mean how high is a pile of crockery? when we last left our heroes, Chris Franz exclaimed: >First off, I may have understated how good the various musicians were last >night. Fiona Apple's frail image seems a bit artificial, but the girl >sang with power. Bill Frisell was an outstanding guitarist, and Jon >Brion's set was awesome. huh? how did fiona and frisell fit into this? did they sit in on friday night? if you sent a friday night report, i don't think the list received it... >Nocturne oh my. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:54:48 -0700 From: The other Mr Feg Subject: San Francisco Show etc. Catching up... Eclipse: I was looking out for you - sorry we missed you. Jason B: Say Hello next time! :-p Mike Viola: I have to say, he was MUCH better in Seattle - partly because he had lots more Robyn-esque banter between the songs than in SF, and partly because he won the audience over with the way he handled the string breakage in the first song. The sound was better at the Croc, too. All in all, it was enough to help you forgive the occasional banal lyric (which I didn't pay much attention to anyway). I found his stuff quite pop-y and disposable, but his voice and delivery were pleasant in a squeeze kind of way. His American Tune cover was uncannily dead-on. Cones: After the flood of cones in Seattle, I was disappointed to see only a couple at the GAMH, which Robyn brought out personally a few minutes after we got there. Immediately there was a rush for the merch table and they were gone in a blink. The Seattle cones were unsegmented, by the way, which allowed larger single images than the cones of earlier tours. Robyn also named the cones himself (mine is the "God Cone"). The Set: As you may have noticed, there were quite a few differences in the sets in Seattle and SF - I was delighted to hear The President in Seattle and thrilled to hear Insect Mother in SF (one song I've never heard him do live before). "You've got to know your limitations, Briggs" is a great song trapped inside a novelty wrapper. I wish he hadn't used the movie character names. I think it devalues what is potentially a very moving song. I agree with whoever said the instrumental was disposable. Robyn is an amazing songwriter and a great performer, but "virtuoso guitarist" is not on the resume. Perhaps he just needs to rest his voice sometimes... you can also count me among the Dark Princess fans... and I was delighted to hear Higsons rather than Devils Radio. Squeaky: Yes, "tonight's crab" aka "squeaky" made an SF appearance. He was the twin brother of the Seattle crab which Robyn made such a deal over. Thanks to Jeme for having more guts than the rest of us and putting it up on stage for the encore. At first I was sure he was just going to ignore it, but after about a few songs he decided to acknowledge it with some shtick about George Bush. This one sported some black sharpie decorations, but I didn't get to see the final result before it made it's stage debut. SF Recording: My friend's minidisc recording did not work out unfortunately - a problem with the battery box apparently. If anyone else was recording please let me know. Fegfotos: I managed to get pictures of the Feg contingent (or most of them anyway - - cat herding has to be easier than this...) from both shows, and I'll get them up on the site as soon as I have a moment. If anyone else has pics (Jim?) especially from the other shows, please send 'em my way. Fegs: HUGE thank you to Cynthia for her hospitality and showing me the sights of Seattle. Eddie's restaurant (well, he works there, anyway), Marco Polo in Mukilteo, simply rocks - great food and a nice casual atmosphere. Wonderful to meet up with Susan, Jeme, Viv and Ken from Portland (in Seattle) and amazing to see Jim again, all the way from Oxford. Thanks to everyone who met up in SF. Glen, Mark, Tom, Drew, Jeme, Chris, Jay, Sidney. Nice to see Nur again, too, and to meet the lovely Iromee - I hope she enjoyed her first Robyn experience. Nice to meet Tom's brother, also. The family resemblance is quite striking! I also saw Dan Poppe from a distance, but didn't get a chance to say hi (Hi, Dan!). ~N ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:55:10 -0700 From: The other Mr Feg Subject: Re: More Eastwood, no robyn Hell yes! I'm also not a big western fan (in the John Wayne sense of the word), but I could watch those Man With No Name movies all night - I'm especially fond of The Good The Bad and The Ugly. BTW: We missed you guys at the GAMH last week. Whatsup? ~N > I am a huge fan of Eastwood - just put on High Plains Drifter. Now, I am > NOT a fan of the western, per se. Can't take those big landscape Duke > movies at all. But Eastwood does the cold loner sick twisted bastard > radicals better than any other of the classic actors. High Plains > Drifter is one of the most twisted of the bunch. > > Now, A Few Dollars More is my favorite of the Man With No Name bunch. > > I'll stop here because this is a topic I could ramble on and on about.... > > eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:55:35 -0700 From: The other Mr Feg Subject: Re: Mellow DVD >> Eugene "Here Come the" Hopstetter said: >> >Good news! The Young Ones episodes are being released on DVD: >> > I assume those of us with DVD Region 1 (USA) players are outaluck with this one? However this is the first time I have seen the DVD be *cheaper* than the same thing on VHS (12.79 vs 16.99). Thinking about it, I would imagine DVDs *are* actually cheaper to produce. I hope this becomes a trend (except it'll cost me more money for a damn UK or multi-region player) ~N ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:46:26 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: More Eastwood, no robyn I am studying for finals and graduation - I will have my JD in 3 weeks...... on to the Bar, and not the one with beer.... e On Sunday, April 28, 2002, at 10:55 AM, The other Mr Feg wrote: > Hell yes! > > I'm also not a big western fan (in the John Wayne sense of the word), > but I could watch those Man With No Name movies all night - I'm > especially fond of The Good The Bad and The Ugly. > > BTW: We missed you guys at the GAMH last week. Whatsup? > > ~N > > >> I am a huge fan of Eastwood - just put on High Plains Drifter. Now, I >> am >> NOT a fan of the western, per se. Can't take those big landscape Duke >> movies at all. But Eastwood does the cold loner sick twisted bastard >> radicals better than any other of the classic actors. High Plains >> Drifter is one of the most twisted of the bunch. >> >> Now, A Few Dollars More is my favorite of the Man With No Name bunch. >> >> I'll stop here because this is a topic I could ramble on and on >> about.... >> >> eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:23:44 -0700 From: drew Subject: Re: San Francisco Show etc. On Sunday, April 28, 2002, at 12:03 PM, The other Mr Feg (by way of invader woj ) wrote: > "You've got to know your limitations, Briggs" is a great song trapped > inside a novelty wrapper. I wish he hadn't used the movie character > names. I think it devalues what is potentially a very moving song. Good call -- I agree completely. Which is not to say that I didn't *love* the explanation he gave beforehand of how he came to write the song. This was one of the better Robyn shows I've seen for banter, I think; he seemed relaxed and articulate. I listened to the rest of Robyn Sings last night while cleaning out my closet. I'd forgotten, but I do love Robyn's "Like A Rolling Stone" and most especially his totally blistering "Ballad of a Thin Man." The latter is one of the few songs I think Robyn does better than Dylan, at least as far as my personal enjoyment is concerned. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 19:16:08 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Briggs Woj: >> "You've got to know your limitations, Briggs" is a great song trapped >> inside a novelty wrapper. I wish he hadn't used the movie character >> names. I think it devalues what is potentially a very moving song. I disagree with both you and Drew on this one. While Robyn's novelty songs are usually among my least favorites, I don't think this is one of them, nor do I think the "Briggs" part devalues it at all. In fact, I think it makes the song. It adds a delicious sense of irony, bringing the apocalyptic world of Dirty Harry down to earth. Its sort of a bemused commentary on machismo as well as a hilarious recontextualization of the line. I see it more like "Freeze" than "Gene Hackman," in that the names are meant as symbols rather than punch-lines. Just my two cheeps, - --Quail - -- +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The people asked, and he brought quails, and satisfied them with the bread of heaven." --Psalms 105:40 (Also see Exodus 16:13 and Numbers 11:31-34 for more starry wisdom) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #139 ********************************