From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #138 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, April 27 2002 Volume 11 : Number 138 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Mellow Together on DVD [Miles Goosens ] Britidiots [Jill Brand ] Re: robyn on kcrw reminder [hal ] Re: oh for the love of pete [invader woj ] Re: Mellow Together on DVD [dmw ] Re: Britidiots [Stewart Russell ] RE: Britidiots ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: Britidiots [Stewart Russell ] Re: Mellow Together on DV [hamish_simpson@agilent.com] Re: Mellow Together on DVD [Christopher Gross ] Re: Mellow Together on DV [Miles Goosens ] RE: Mellow Together on DV ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] Re: Largo? [invader woj ] RIP [Eleanore Adams ] seek ye the one known as eastwood ["ross taylor" ] Re: gun control is almost as effective as the war on drugs [rosso@videotr] Re: email virus etc. [rosso@videotron.ca] this is a test [Jeff Dwarf ] More Eastwood, no robyn [Eleanore Adams ] More Eastwood and comix [Eleanore Adams ] Re: More Eastwood and comix [The Great Quail ] Re: Britidiots ["matt sewell" ] Re: the war on drugs is almost as effective as catholicism [Gss Subject: Re: Mellow Together on DVD At 02:30 PM 4/26/2002 -0400, dmw wrote: >On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > >> Eugene "Here Come the" Hopstetter said: >> >Good news! The Young Ones episodes are being released on DVD: >> > >> >>3>6&shop=bbc&mscssid=WSHF79FLQ6919GE1H8N1239V5B1C8JVB>= >> >> Any word on whether this is going to include the musical performances? It >> was my understanding that these clearances were what was holding up the >> DVDs in the first place. The way that THE YOUNG ONES integrated the >> musical guests into the fabric of the show, it'd be difficult to cut them >> without doing severe damage. > > >not trying to gainsay you or anything, No worries -- wouldn't have taken it that way anyway. :-) >but curious: the videos certainly >included the musical performances (the damned! yay!) ... not that i >expect anything to do with copyright to be logical, but if the music was >licensed for home distro once & royalty scales agreeed on & c., shouldn't >it apply to DVD as well? I had forgotten that the episodes were on video before. So maybe I had confused the SCTV issue with THE YOUNG ONES, or had my info third-hand. As for the licensing for home distribution question: Dunno! Maybe someone more knowledgeable about legalese than me could say if the licensing and royalties agreement continues forwards for all future releases, or if they're time-limited agreements, or if the change to DVD format triggers some sort of new-medium renegotiation. Fer instance, though it doesn't have to do with *music,* think of the BUFFY issues. (I'd think the performances at the Bronze were all covered under the WB's corporate umbrella, since the musical artists may all well be from the Warner Brothers roster.) There were BUFFY VHS tapes in the U.S. -- albeit not complete seasons -- before the BUFFY syndication and DVD issues got ironed out during the summer of 2001 in the same negotiations that moved BUFFY to UPN and ended up keeping ANGEL at the WB. This makes me think that perhaps VHS and DVD aren't necessarily *both* included in "home distribution" agreements. (And overseas licensing was different, since BUFFY DVDs were available at least a year earlier in the rest of the world; in fact, I think they're up to season 3 on the DVD sets, maybe even season 4 now, and for that matter, season 1 of ANGEL.) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:10:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Britidiots Matt wrote: "Why, you...! You deserve the death penalty for bringing up that old chestnut, you're worse than the jews/palestinians... that said I would question your belief in *the existence* of a pig in the first place!" Jeez, Matt, you don't get it, do you!? The pig is not the issue! The question really revolves around the duality of "the limb"!!! Do we have to explain it to you again? Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 13:12:57 -0600 From: hal Subject: Re: robyn on kcrw reminder invader woj wrote: > robyn'll be on kcrw's morning eclectic in the next few minutes. > i'm capturing the mp3 stream kristen: > Just got a tip from my brother in Los Angeles that Robyn is featured on > KCRW's "Morning Becomes Eclectic" show today Thanks to all for the alerts (and to woj for making the mp3's available)! Living in Denver and wondering whether the altitude-phobic Robyn will ever play here again, it's been great to catch KCRW and KEXP to get a little taste of the current tour. "Not Dark Yet" from KEXP was better than the take on "Robyn Sings". /hal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:11:18 -0400 From: invader woj Subject: Re: oh for the love of pete when we last left our heroes, Christopher Gross exclaimed: >No no no! It is a clear, unambiguous, unadulterated "Mucky," every single >time. Anyone who disagrees has his head up-- [You know the rest.] Eb's beautiful ass? +w ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:31:15 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Mellow Together on DVD On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > Fer instance, though it doesn't have to do with *music,* think of the BUFFY > issues. (I'd think the performances at the Bronze were all covered under > the WB's corporate umbrella, since the musical artists may all well be from > the Warner Brothers roster.) There were BUFFY VHS tapes in the U.S. -- > albeit not complete seasons -- before the BUFFY syndication and DVD issues > got ironed out during the summer of 2001 in the same negotiations that > moved BUFFY to UPN and ended up keeping ANGEL at the WB. This makes me > think that perhaps VHS and DVD aren't necessarily *both* included in "home > distribution" agreements. or maybe the tapes that were available were eps. that were low on musical guest content? i know that synch rights for broadcast are on a per-use basis (and syndication broadcasts are often re-edited to use cheaper music; onetime feglister Paula Carino gets royalty checks from a synch use where her tune was substituted for a higher profile one on some gawdawful show or other). i'd sorta presumed that the WB artists were more-or-less strongarmed into signing deals that waived the synch rights on the theory that it's good vertical marketing for the band to be on a show (which, hell, may even be true). as i understand the royalty system, you either take the statutory rate or negotiate something different, but it's based on the number (and length) of compositions, not the media type. but i could be wrong. while i might well give up synch rights, even in syndication, i doubt i'd want to waive royalties on video copies, of course, i wouldn't be in a band that had to make those sorts of choices, but that's a horse of a different color -- an unlikely parrish blue, no doubt. > (And overseas licensing was different, since BUFFY DVDs were available at > least a year earlier in the rest of the world; in fact, I think they're up > to season 3 on the DVD sets, maybe even season 4 now, and for that matter, > season 1 of ANGEL.) now he tells me! i knew there was a reason i bought a multi-region player when at last i succumbed. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:34:11 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Britidiots Jill Brand wrote: > > The question really revolves around the duality of "the limb"!!! > Do we have to explain it to you again? I've always heard it as "out on the lam" ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:56:42 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Britidiots Stewart: > Jill Brand wrote: > > > > The question really revolves around the duality of "the limb"!!! > > Do we have to explain it to you again? > > I've always heard it as "out on the lam" ... Especially as this rhymes perfectly with the next line: "He's looking for someone to investigate ham" ... +brian in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:02:31 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Britidiots Brian Huddell wrote: > > "He's looking for someone to investigate ham" ... see, I'm not as crazy as I look. Stewart (yow! duelling groundhogs on the grass opposite the building!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:33:28 -0600 From: hamish_simpson@agilent.com Subject: Re: Mellow Together on DV dmw, he say >not trying to gainsay you or anything, but curious: the videos certainly >included the musical performances (the damned! yay!) ... not that i >expect anything to do with copyright to be logical, but if the music was >licensed for home distro once & royalty scales agreeed on & c., shouldn't >it apply to DVD as well? dunno about that. "demolition" was on bbc america recently and they cut nine below zero out. could be a us copyright thing. and i too was looking forward to the damned (double yay) and possibly the best lines from the show ever. Rick (to Suggs of Madness) - Do any of you lot know 'Summer Holiday', by Cliff Richard? Suggs - You hum it, I'll smash your face in! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:36:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Mellow Together on DVD More Buffy! Mwahahah! On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, dmw wrote: > or maybe the tapes that were available were eps. that were low on musical > guest content? Could be. Probably the biggest-name musical guest on Buffy was Cibo Mato, in the season 2 opener "When She Was Bad;" and that episode was NOT one of the ones released on tape. Of course this might not have been for copyright reasons -- they only released six eps per season, and WSWB didn't fit into the main Buffy/Angel theme of the season as well as the six that were released. (BTW, it wasn't just their songs, CM actually appeared on camera in that episode.) > > (And overseas licensing was different, since BUFFY DVDs were available at > > least a year earlier in the rest of the world; in fact, I think they're up > > to season 3 on the DVD sets, maybe even season 4 now, and for that matter, > > season 1 of ANGEL.) > > now he tells me! i knew there was a reason i bought a multi-region > player when at last i succumbed. Before you run out and order those overseas DVDs, be warned that they aren't quite the same as the US releases. I mean, AFAIK the episodes are the same, but the extras and packaging are different. For example, for Buffy season 1, the US got more of Joss Whedon's commentaries, while the UK got a Katherine Hepburn video clip (why?) and a booklet. Make sure you're getting the version you prefer! Of course in the US, season one just came out in January, and season two will be out in June; if they keep coming at that rate, we won't get the musical episode on DVD until June 2004! And we don't have *any* Angel DVDs yet. So that's one good reason to buy foreign.... Finally, I'd like to remind you all that new Buffy episodes will resume next Tuesday, Apr. 30. There. I'm done now. - --Chris (Rupert Giles wannabe) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:59:00 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Mellow Together on DV At 02:33 PM 4/26/2002 -0600, hamish_simpson@agilent.com wrote: >dmw, he say >>not trying to gainsay you or anything, but curious: the videos certainly >>included the musical performances (the damned! yay!) ... not that i >>expect anything to do with copyright to be logical, but if the music was >>licensed for home distro once & royalty scales agreeed on & c., shouldn't >>it apply to DVD as well? > >dunno about that. "demolition" was on bbc america recently and they cut >nine below zero out. could be a us copyright thing. Just about the only time I've ever watched BBC America was during some kind of free preview/weekend thing on our cable system, and they had trimmed AbFab and other comedies down to the U.S.-familiar 30 minutes (including commercials) format. I don't know if that's par for the course for them during their regular programming, but it sure put me off. And of course with THE YOUNG ONES eps in question, it might be some sort of clearance/copyright/over-the-air Damnable thing. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:05:49 -0700 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: Mellow Together on DV > Just about the only time I've ever watched BBC America was during some > kind of free preview/weekend thing on our cable system, and they had > trimmed AbFab and other comedies down to the U.S.-familiar 30 minutes > (including commercials) format. I don't know if that's par for the course > for them during their regular programming, but it sure put me off. On their regular broadcasts they just stretch the shows out to 40 minutes and stick in commercials but it leads to weird start times for shows like 8:20 or 9:40. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:45:47 -0700 From: "Aaron L." Subject: Largo? I just got confirmation that my car WILL be ready this afternoon, thank goodness, so I *will* have it over the weekend. I'd really like to get to the Largo show, if at all possible. No one responded to my first request asking about the show, but I can't seem to find anywhere online to buy tickets, so I was hoping someone would either have one I could purchase from them, or could point me in the right direction to make sure I don't drive four hours and then not be able to get in and see the show. Any help anyone can provide would be really helpful! Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:07:38 -0400 From: invader woj Subject: Re: Largo? when we last left our heroes, Aaron L. exclaimed: >I just got confirmation that my car WILL be ready this afternoon, thank >goodness, so I *will* have it over the weekend. I'd really like to get to >the Largo show, if at all possible. No one responded to my first request >asking about the show, but I can't seem to find anywhere online to buy >tickets, so I was hoping someone would either have one I could purchase >from them, or could point me in the right direction to make sure I don't >drive four hours and then not be able to get in and see the show. as far as i know, largo tickets are not available in advance. you can make dinner reservations in advance by calling ye olde number (323) 852-1073. alas, reservations are no longer available for the robyns gigs. in which case, i think the thing to do is show up early and get a seat at the bar. it would be best if someone more familiar with largo can confirm this, but just in case no one else answers, i thought i'd pipe up with what i know. woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 15:14:54 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: RIP Left eye from TLC Not a fan, but she was born in 1971, and was very young. Car accident. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 18:24:36 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: seek ye the one known as eastwood Make my day-- I wouldn't like Eastwood except that people have told me to. (Well, I grew up loving Rawhide). I have an uncle who's a poet & loves movies who told me Dirty Harry was "a moving portrait of conservative rage" (my uncle was one of those 1950s lefties who got sick of it all by the 1970s). Said uncle also told me "violence is one of the things movies do best." Hm. I don't like violence, but movies sure do it better than sex. I mean, having watched a few porn films in my day, plus explicit art, it's more fun to watch dancing or flirting or--hell, violence. I also have a younger, ex-freak friend who is in plays & sees lots of films & loves Eastwood & Samuel Beckett. Stuff like that makes me feel I don't know film. I like City of Lost Children. I can't wait to see Jan Svankmeyer's Little Otik. I also like Michael Leigh. I wonder what the most violent thing was that ever happened in a Michael Leigh film. - --- ForFvcksake-- Love the v's for u's -- looks like something that would be carved on some Roman ruin ... only the Romans didn't go to Scotland, that's why they built that big wall, to keep the wild people out ... - --- I enjoyed Rachel Pantechnicon's hooters, even if they were only ironic. Perhaps we could have a Locksley Hall day at our office. - --- Ich ben ein pretentious-- Favorite Constable-- Salisbury Cathederal, tho that may be largely due to loving the building. The steeple is just a silly millimeter higher, but it seems to reach way into space. Somebody looked at one of Constable's early works & said "take away that hideous green thing!" Ross Taylor "you can keep your smart modern painters, give me Rembrandt, Turner, Constable & Gainsborough" no, hold the Gainsborough Love Minus Zero/No limpet Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:53:27 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: gun control is almost as effective as the war on drugs On 26 Apr 2002, at 10:04, gSs wrote: > People wanting to buy a hunting rifle must undergo checks that can last a > year, while those wanting a gun for sport must be a member of a club and > obtain a licence from the police. Now there's a thought... anybody who wants to use drugs should have to be a member of a club! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:58:57 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: email virus etc. I see from the headers that you're using Outlook, Noe. From what I've seen on the Symantic site and others, I'd say Outlook is the all-out favourite target for virus attacks. There are plenty of other POP3 clients out there. Why not leave Outlook and its problems behind? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 16:08:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: this is a test cuz i haven't received anything for a couple days... ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:28:08 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: More Eastwood, no robyn While we are on the subject.... I am a huge fan of Eastwood - just put on High Plains Drifter. Now, I am NOT a fan of the western, per se. Can't take those big landscape Duke movies at all. But Eastwood does the cold loner sick twisted bastard radicals better than any other of the classic actors. High Plains Drifter is one of the most twisted of the bunch. Now, A Few Dollars More is my favorite of the Man With No Name bunch. I'll stop here because this is a topic I could ramble on and on about.... eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 17:31:54 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: More Eastwood and comix now, my husband reads comix, and he gets this one called The Preacher. I have not read it, but from the covers and his discription, it sounds like it is an Eastwood derivative, just like the Stephen King Gunslinger is.... Is this a true observation? If so, I'll have to read the comix.... e ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:41:51 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: More Eastwood and comix Eleanor writes, >now, my husband reads comix, and he gets this one called The >Preacher. I have not read it, but from the covers and his >discription, it sounds like it is an Eastwood derivative, just like >the Stephen King Gunslinger is.... Is this a true observation? Oh, no, not at all. "Preacher" certainly has absorbed Eastwood influences -- as it has John Wayne, Lee Marvin, The Wild Wild West and so on -- but it's much bigger and crazier than that. It's a combination of gritty western, supernatural fantasy, Tarantino-style romance, vampire story, and much more, all spiked with lots of booze, kinky sex, and twisted humor. It's really not for everyone -- it can be pretty raw and offensive, and its message is pretty anti-Christian - -- but for those who dig it, it's certainly one of the best limited-run comic series of the last few decades. Read the first few issues, and if that doesn't hook you, the whole run is probably not to your taste. - --Quail, whose Cassady action figure is toasting him with a pint of blood from atop this very same computer - -- +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The Great Quail, K.S.C. (riverrun Discordian Society, Kibroth-hattaavah Branch) For fun with postmodern literature, New York vampires, and Fegmania, visit Sarnath: http://www.rpg.net/quail "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:35:06 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Britidiots I see - you're a follower of this new-fangled "limbcentric" dogma. Splitter! I think the real issue is that whether Mucky or Bucky, if the pig actually exists, why is there the presumtion that she's male?! Eh? >Matt wrote: > >"Why, you...! You deserve the death penalty for bringing up that old >chestnut, you're worse than the jews/palestinians... that said I would >question your belief in *the existence* of a pig in the first place!" >From: Jill Brand >Jeez, Matt, you don't get it, do you!? The pig is not the issue! >The question really revolves around the duality of "the limb"!!! >Do we have to explain it to you again? > >Jill - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:12:31 -0500 From: Gss Subject: Re: the war on drugs is almost as effective as catholicism At Friday, 26 April 2002, you wrote: >Now there's a thought... anybody who wants to use drugs should >have to be a member of a club! Good idea, except the part about getting lushes to agree on anything. I don't think the average consumer of alcohol wants his drink order recorded for analysis. Though we could almost eliminate DUI's and the related suffering with a complete system. gSs ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #138 ********************************