From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #132 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, April 22 2002 Volume 11 : Number 132 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: After rebate [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] If you were a priest [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Elvis, Elihu, Ernie, and Eno [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] yeah, but what's its LoC classification? [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Di] Re: yeah, but what's its LoC classification? [Dolph Chaney ] Man and boy oh boy [Jill Brand ] Re: Man and boy oh boy ["matt sewell" ] oops [rand ] really sorry [rand ] healthy Kiwis and Orphic babies ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: Moulin Rouge [Miles Goosens ] Re: really sorry [Miles Goosens ] Re: Man and boy oh boy [Stewart Russell ] Re: Eno alert, current film version [Tom Clark ] Re: Moulin Rouge ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Eno alert, current film version [Tom Clark ] Re: Element of light (reflected) ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Our song ["Spring Cherry" ] Re: Our song ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: really sorry [Sebastian Hagedorn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:35:08 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: After rebate >Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:35:14 +1200 >From: owner-fegmaniax-digest >Subject: After rebate > > > is this something to do with US tax day last week? woj? woj??? Speak to us woj! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:36:46 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: If you were a priest >In a story published by the Joliet Herald-News on Wednesday, Ross said, "I >don't have much sympathy for people who somehow couldn't stop whatever >happened. I'll take all of these people who were abused, and I'll abuse them >with a baseball bat. You can quote me on that." > >Ross said in his apology that he believed the conversation was off the >record. he said 'you can quote me' to a journalist and believed it was off the record? As you western hempshere types say, 'sheesh'. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:39:44 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Elvis, Elihu, Ernie, and Eno >Oliver's Army (warm-up sans EC) >WTD (warm-up sans EC) > >Alison >TOYOH >45 >Pump It Up >Watching The Detectives >WIWC okay, I got WTD (if it's the same song repeated later in the list), but unless he's written a song called "Take off your own head" (somebody should write that one!), I'm stumped as to TOYOH and WIWC. Halp! Randi - if you get few replies to your questions on the Middle East, it's because the list had its own little war about it only a few weeks back, and few of us are likely to be game enough to want to repoen the subject just yet! (PS - Shackleton spelt his name Ernest, not Earnest. Don't ask how I know, I'd rather not say). > ...in the middle of _Y Tu Mama Tambien_, as Julio, Tenoch, and Luisa drive >through a rural Mexican town, "By This River" begins playing for a good half- >minute. It's then revealed that the characters are, as part of the narrative, >listening to the song inside the car, as the music begins to stutter and fade: >"Dude, don't! This song rules!" "The batteries died. Let's listen to the >radio." The movie's really good, by the way -- very well cast, loose, funny, >and makes its political points without being heavyhanded. > Also, for no clear reason (however welcome), Zappa's "Watermelon in Easter >Hay" plays over the ending credit crawl. well, what can I say? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:40:22 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: yeah, but what's its LoC classification? >Interesting but heavy. It was orginally a chapter in a 4 vol history of >aesthetics with many contributing authors. It is published by Yale >University Press : isbn 0-300-09304-7 don't you just love bibliophiles? Ask about a book and there's the ISBN :) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:50:57 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: yeah, but what's its LoC classification? Re the subject line -- it's Aesthetics, Medieval. Below is the MARC record from the Library of Congress catalog: Art and beauty in the Middle Ages / Umberto Eco ; translated by Hugh Bredin. LC Control Number:86050339 00001274cam 2200325 a 450 0011935250 00520020315175053.0 008860320s1986 ctu b 001 0 eng 035__ |9 (DLC) 86050339 906__ |a 7 |b cbc |c orignew |d 2 |e ocip |f 19 |g y-gencatlg 9250_ |a Acquire |b 2 shelf copies |x policy default 955__ |c sh14 2002-03-15 |e sh43 2002-03-15 Copy 2 call no. was changed from BH131.E26 1986 and item was sent to BCCD 010__ |a 86050339 020__ |a 0300036760 040__ |a DLC |c DLC |d DLC 0411_ |a eng |h ita 043__ |a e------ 05000 |a BH131 |b .E3613 1986 08200 |a 111/.85/094 |2 19 1001_ |a Eco, Umberto. 24010 |a Arte e bellezza nell'estetica medievale. |l English 24510 |a Art and beauty in the Middle Ages / |c Umberto Eco ; translated by Hugh Bredin. 260__ |a New Haven : |b Yale University Press, |c 1986. 300__ |a x, 131 p. ; |c 23 cm. 500__ |a "Published in 1959 as 'Sviluppo dell'estetica medievale', a single chapter of a four volume handbook on the history of aesthetics, written by various authors"--Pref. 504__ |a Bibliography: p. [120]-129. 500__ |a Includes index. 650_0 |a Aesthetics, Medieval. 984__ |a gsl 991__ |b c-GenColl |h BH131 |i .E3613 1986 |p 00000727799 |t Copy 1 |w BOOKS ta dolph (my company makes their library software) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:27:45 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Elvis, Elihu, Ernie, and Eno > >Alison > >TOYOH > >45 > >Pump It Up > >Watching The Detectives > >WIWC > > okay, I got WTD (if it's the same song repeated later in the > list), but > unless he's written a song called "Take off your own head" > (somebody should > write that one!), I'm stumped as to TOYOH and WIWC. Halp! Great minds think alike, James. Actually it's "Tear" OYOH, but you were eerily close. Both songs are from When I Was Cruel, WIWC being the title track. +brian in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:13:19 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Elvis, Elihu, Ernie, and Eno On Monday, April 22, 2002, at 07:39 AM, James Dignan wrote: >> Oliver's Army (warm-up sans EC) >> WTD (warm-up sans EC) >> >> Alison >> TOYOH >> 45 >> Pump It Up >> Watching The Detectives >> WIWC > > okay, I got WTD (if it's the same song repeated later in the list), but > unless he's written a song called "Take off your own head" (somebody > should > write that one!), I'm stumped as to TOYOH and WIWC. Halp! heh, you were close James. TOYOH (or TOYOHead, which we like to refer to it on the Costello mailing list) is short for "Tear Off Your Own Head (It's A Doll Revolution)" and WIWC is short for "When I Was Cruel". - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:52:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: I was going to get deep about this until I realized... The question was asked: How is "Robyn Hitchcock ~ a middle class hero"? I was trying to come up with a philosophical answer to this question when I realized what was being asked. Anyway, I think it is worth having. Then again, I would think that a vinyl single of Mellow Together with a B-side of Wafflehead would be worth having, so I'm a very bad person to ask. And back to Robyn's hands...I wear my watch on my right hand and I'm right-handed. Yes, Europeans often wear (maybe always wear) their wedding bands/rings on their right hands. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 09:55:55 -0700 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Moulin Rouge >I just had to tell you people. I can't believe how bad this movie >is! Huh. And it was my second favorite movie of the year. In fact, I've seen it four times. I wrote a paragraph here, if you are interested in the "other side": http://www.rpg.net/quail/raves.html#Anchor-Top-49575 Oh, but LJ agrees with you. It really is one of those love it/hate it things. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:02:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: Man and boy oh boy I finally watched all of Man and Boy, the TV movie in which Robyn has a 15-second cameo as "Gena's fucking around, bastard father." When Matt said that the movie was garbage, I figured he was just being a high-brow Brit who didn't understand the superiority of British TV dramas to American crap. Well, Man and Boy is about as bad as things get, so now I know that there is crap on British TV as well, and that PBS just gets the good stuff. Much of it was like a bad Kramer vs. Kramer, and I hated Kramer vs. Kramer to begin with. Back to Robyn. He wears silly clothes (well, that isn't unusual), and he really says to his grandson, "Let's go upstairs and listen to the new Travis album." I thought Matt was joking when he wrote that, maybe acting as one of many fegs who have taken a jab at me for being so mainstream as to like Travis. But he really says it. I'm sending an NTSC copy of the movie to Bayard so that he can digitize the miniscule Robyn appearance. What happens after that, I don't know. I still haven't figured out how computers work. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:36:05 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Man and boy oh boy Well, I've been called a few things in my time, but high brow? That's a first! ;0) Also anyone who still believes British TV to be a bastion of quality programming has obviously not visited since the '70s... These days we mostly have hospital dramas, nostalgia TV programmes, docu-soaps and regular soaps... that and stuff like Touch The Truck, FFS... All the more reason to avoid the hypnotism of the Idiot's Lantern (as my mother used to call it, even in the 70s when UK TV (to my childish perception) was the best in the world..). Cheers Matt >From: Jill Brand >Reply-To: Jill Brand >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Man and boy oh boy >Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:02:56 -0400 (EDT) > >I finally watched all of Man and Boy, the TV movie in which Robyn has a >15-second cameo as "Gena's fucking around, bastard father." When Matt >said that the movie was garbage, I figured he was just being a high-brow >Brit who didn't understand the superiority of British TV dramas to >American crap. Well, Man and Boy is about as bad as things get, so now I >know that there is crap on British TV as well, and that PBS just gets the >good stuff. Much of it was like a bad Kramer vs. Kramer, and I hated >Kramer vs. Kramer to begin with. > >Back to Robyn. He wears silly clothes (well, that isn't unusual), and he >really says to his grandson, "Let's go upstairs and listen to the new >Travis album." I thought Matt was joking when he wrote that, maybe acting >as one of many fegs who have taken a jab at me for being so mainstream as >to like Travis. But he really says it. > >I'm sending an NTSC copy of the movie to Bayard so that he can digitize >the miniscule Robyn appearance. What happens after that, I don't know. I >still haven't figured out how computers work. > >Jill - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:47:53 -0400 From: rand Subject: oops oops ... didn't think that first post went through ... pushed the stop button ... my connection was faster than me ... 8-D sorry ... Randi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:51:25 -0400 From: rand Subject: really sorry i can spell every time it says Quebic ... the 'I' is an "E" with an accent. guess the list-server doesn't like French Canadians ;-} kidding woj back to regularly scheduled feg-programming ... ~ rls ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:53:38 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: healthy Kiwis and Orphic babies >Todays Otago Daily Times newspaper reports that the Chills are >working on >a new album (with the working title of "Silver Bullets" - Yay!! >Martin Phillipps is officially clear of Hepatitis C - he was one of >the >lucky 40% for whom the treatment is a complete success. Double yay!!!! (Best news I've heard all day - on the other hand, it's only 8:40 am.) I must remember to tell my Kiwi hairdresser the next time I see him. I was asking him whether he liked "Lord of the Rings," and he said yes, but was baffled as to how they kept sheep from wandering into every scene. He has also recommended a NZ band called the Skeptics. I've never heard of them. James? re. band names: > >>Milkweed Hill There actually is a band called Milkweed, and they are an alt-country band, surprise surprise. >(Kay peruses first tale of Levianthium, the journey where he suffers > >great, Orphian trials to resurrect his parents when they go out for > >dinner.) That story is actually taken from a Native American text (Blegvad cites it in the comic). It really is amazingly similar to the Orpheus story. I wonder if anthropologists have any explanation for this. The original version stars everyone's favorite trickster, Coyote. If you want to know more about that story, and Coyote, I recommend "Trickster Makes This World" by... Lewis Hyde, I think his name is? Anyway, I'm sure you have it in the library. It not only talks about mythical tricksters like Coyote, Hermes, and Raven, but also brings in John Cage, Maxine Hong Kingston, and Frederick Douglass. Really fascinating stuff. (I wish it mentioned Bugs Bunny, though - everyone's favorite latter-day trickster...) >Thank you Nat. Thank you Blegved. Thank you Feg. You're welcome! There's more of Leviathan's adventures (some of which are included in the book) at www.leviathan.co.uk. And hey, Robyn likes him too, so he must be all right... :) gnat "Dep!" the gnatster _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 08:54:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: If you were a priest James Dignan wrote: > >In a story published by the Joliet Herald-News on Wednesday, Ross > >said, "I don't have much sympathy for people who somehow couldn't > >stop whatever happened. I'll take all of these people who were > >abused, and I'll abuse them with a baseball bat. You can quote me > >on that." > > > >Ross said in his apology that he believed the conversation was off > >the record. > > he said 'you can quote me' to a journalist and believed it was off > the record? As you western hempshere types say, 'sheesh'. shouldn't all those people who attacke Sinead O'Connor for tearing up that picture of the pope to protest Church abuses be getting ready to apologize to her and pogue her mahone about now? ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:12:09 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Moulin Rouge At 08:42 PM 4/21/2002 -0700, Jeff Dwarf wrote: >rosso@videotron.ca wrote: >> I just had to tell you people. I can't believe how bad this movie >> is! It's the only film I've ever rented that I simply could not sit >> through. >> >> What did they think they were making, the Rocky Horror >> of the Noughties? >> >> I can only hope this serves to warn somebody away from wasting >> time or money on this piece of camp-with-a-wink-that-doesn't-work. >> >> Pee-yew. > >i haven't seen this yet, and it's hardly a priority, but it seems like >this is a movie that people either really love or really loathe. i >don't think i've heard ANYONE be ambivalent about it in the slightest >either way. My post from last June was chock full of ambivalence. How soon they forget! :-) Here it goes again, and it still holds even after nearly a year + DVD viewings: ++++++++++++ At 11:22 PM 6/3/2001 -0700, Stephen Mahoney wrote: >anyone see this film yet? > >am I the only one who thinks this was a master stroke of genius or what? If Baz Luhmann was as original and innovative as he obviously thinks he is, I'd agree. If the film sustained the visual spectacle of its opening and closing sequences (though the first scene inside the Moulin Rouge is so hyperkinetically edited that it becomes its own kind of Confuse-O-Vision -- it's easy to imagine a way of editing that could convey the same energy and swirl of images without making you feel like you're trapped inside a strobe light), I would have been much happier with the movie. Instead, even though the buzz on the film is all about how different and strange it is, it's not nearly different and strange enough. I wanted more spectacle, more of the fantastic magical stuff (the Kylie faery from the ad coming alive and turning into a chorus line; the gun clanking off the Eiffel Tower; the top hats flying out the top of the Moulin Rouge), a use of the anachronistic music that would enlighten and inform rather than simply serve as Luhmann-as-Auteur flash. Instead, the film's middle third settles into hidebound convention and rather straightforward narrative with a dismaying ease, and the music is almost always in medley format, jumping back and forth from song to song in a way that undercuts the sort of emotional resonance Luhmann seems to be after. But what I just wrote is way too negative. MOULIN ROUGE is very far from the train wreck I had feared. I've adored Nicole Kidman ever since TO DIE FOR, and she looks radiant and sings very well. Ewan McGregor brings way more to the Milquetoast Writer Character (usually a huge dull void at the center of these kinds of stories -- think of the Clifford Bradshaw character in CABARET, for instance) than is written for him, good acting fleshing out an underwritten part. The film is always beautiful to look at, and usually entertaining, well worth the matinee price we paid to see it. Master Stroke of Genius? Nope. A fun evening (or afternoon) at the movies, yes. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:26:21 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: really sorry At 11:51 AM 4/22/2002 -0400, rand wrote: >i can spell > >every time it says Quebic ... the 'I' is an "E" with an accent. > >guess the list-server doesn't like French Canadians ;-} > >kidding woj smoe.org uses a program called "Demime" that automatically strips away HTML formatting, thus saving listowners like woj and myself a lot of trouble dealing with bounced posts from Outlook Express, Hotmail, and other enemies of plain text. However, the downside is that it also eats extended ASCII characters (like characters with cedilles, grave and acute accents, tildes, etc.), and doesn't regurgitate them as their most logical counterparts. If it's gonna do this, it oughta make the "e-acute" into a plain ol' "e." I'll throw some out to see what demime does to 'em: c-cedille: g pound symbol: # umlaut o: v n-tilde: q pi: 6 upside-down question mark: ? e-grave: h e-acute: i hoping he's not headed for the e-grave, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:29:08 -0400 From: Stewart Russell Subject: Re: Man and boy oh boy matt sewell wrote: > > Also anyone who still believes British TV to be a bastion of quality > programming has obviously not visited since the '70s... Well, it's SLs better that the appalling nonsense you get on Rogers Cable here in Toronto. 50-odd channels of complete guff. It got so bad last night we ended up watching a bio of James Garner, who we discovered may in fact be related to my wife... Stewart - -- Gandalf Graphics Limited, Markham, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:39:07 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Eno alert, current film version on 4/21/02 9:22 AM, mojo@rice.edu at mojo@rice.edu wrote: > ...in the middle of _Y Tu Mama Tambien_, as Julio, Tenoch, and Luisa drive > through a rural Mexican town, "By This River" begins playing for a good half- > minute. I was watching an episode of my new favourite show the other day, "Father Ted", and in it Ted introduces a fellow priest as "Father Brian Eno". - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:09:11 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Moulin Rouge At 08:42 PM 4/21/2002 -0700, Jeff Dwarf wrote: >i haven't seen this yet, and it's hardly a priority, but it seems like >this is a movie that people either really love or really loathe. i >don't think i've heard ANYONE be ambivalent about it in the slightest >either way. Mark me down as another person with rather ambivalent feelings toward the film. It was entertaining to watch, but hardly as mind-blowing, or for that matter crappy, as some people make it out to be. Sure, it reminded me of a 2-hour long Smashing Pumpkins video, but since I was weaned on MTV I didn't really care - nor did I find it especially innovative. I really loved the music, though, and I'm beginning to loathe whiny Ewan McGregor. And Kidman? Heh. Oh, I enjoyed the "proper rock star" versions of the songs on the CD much more than the actual soundtrack. I could think of a lot more deserving films that should have received all those awards/nominations. Then again, there are a lot of movies I'm glad it beat out. Loved it? Hardly. Hated it? Definitely not. But, I did enjoy it. I liked "Romeo and Juliet" a lot better - although, again, the CD was legions better than the flick. Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:08:21 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Eno alert, current film version on 4/22/02 10:39 AM, Tom Clark at tclark@mac.com wrote: > on 4/21/02 9:22 AM, mojo@rice.edu at mojo@rice.edu wrote: > >> ...in the middle of _Y Tu Mama Tambien_, as Julio, Tenoch, and Luisa drive >> through a rural Mexican town, "By This River" begins playing for a good half- >> minute. > > I was watching an episode of my new favourite show the other day, "Father > Ted", and in it Ted introduces a fellow priest as "Father Brian Eno". > And Stewart pointed out that it is, in fact, St. Brian himself in a cameo role. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:32:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Element of light (reflected) > From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > > Eugene Hopstetter, Jr asks some wonderful questions: And you answered each and every one. Huzzah for James! > Erm... was that what you were asking? Sure was -- thanks for the erudite answers. Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:41:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Foulin' Rouge > From: rosso@videotron.ca > > I just had to tell you people. I can't believe how bad this movie > is! It's the only film I've ever rented that I simply could not sit > through. Heh, I thought the movie was pretty enjoyable, but in a dumb sorta way. I enjoyed all those colors, the music, the costumes. But I saw it on the big screen, and I'm sure a lot of the movie's impact dissolves in pan n' scan on a TV. Guess I'm a sucker for a period piece. And yes, I agree: it's a love-it or hate-it movie. And once was enough for me. But, I will say this. I always get a giggle whenever I see Ewan McGregor in a popular movie, because of what I saw him do in "Velvet Goldmine." Added a whole new light to the Obi-Wan Kenobi character, if you ask me. > What did they think they were making, the Rocky Horror > of the Noughties? Careful what you wish for. At the rate Hollywood's going, it's just a matter of time before they "reimagine" that chestnut. I see Brad Pitt as Brad Majors, Drew Barrymore as Janet Weiss, and, reprising his role, Meat Loaf as Meat Loaf. Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:54:34 +0000 From: "Spring Cherry" Subject: Our song Brian from Wilshire: Thanks for the ISBN. We dont have the book but I may try ILL, >My interest in this stuff is that of a curious amateur. I have a kind of education in science and >an interest in philosophy and history. My interest in history is usually >earlier than this period but I do find anything pre 19th C of >interest. It >just happens that I am working my way through the Eco at the moment and I >read the Dee bio quite recently so they were in my >mind. Trying to get >into into pre-20th C minds is fascinating. Need that emoticon for "oh yeah!" again. >Newton used perform optical experiments that involved to sticking things >into his eye sockets to deform his eyeballs. Newton was one weird dude. I read a psychological study of him once by some Riech-influenced shrink that was quite harrowing. I'll take Goerthe over him any day--even if Goethe was "wrong" about optics. I like Kepler alot, and I don't think he deformed his eyeballs. But he connected the golden mean to the order of the planets, among many other things. I really admire Dee, he explored and connected alot of different stuff. But in some ways--is the whole Enochian trip that different from what he did with chartmaking for explorers/pirateers like Drake and Hawkins? My interests started in history and literature, then drifted into philosophy, religion and psychology so occult was a natural progression. Im only halfway decent on science where it meets another interest. - -------------------- I loved Moulin Rouge. Everything Steve T said, I agree with. - ------------------- From Randi's list it looks like Eb's still subscribing. What will it take to get you to stop lurking? Eh;-? - ------------------- Also Randi, I share your fear at the possible ramifications of the present Isreali-Palestine conflict. Its all seriously scary. - ------------------- Turner rules! - ----------------- I want Feg to field a team on "Beat the Geeks." No ones geeker than us! And we can prove it. James, Quail, Stewart, etc--they're playing our song. Kay - ------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:20:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: Our song > From Randi's list it looks like Eb's still subscribing. What will it take to > get you to stop lurking? Eh;-? Loose lips. DM rolls 1d20 and gets a 1. Party of first-level fegs shakes in fear as the summoned appears. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:30:55 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: really sorry - -- Miles Goosens is rumored to have mumbled on Montag, 22. April 2002 11:26 Uhr -0500 regarding Re: really sorry: > smoe.org uses a program called "Demime" that automatically strips away > HTML formatting, thus saving listowners like woj and myself a lot of > trouble dealing with bounced posts from Outlook Express, Hotmail, and > other enemies of plain text. > > However, the downside is that it also eats extended ASCII characters > (like characters with cedilles, grave and acute accents, tildes, etc.), > and doesn't regurgitate them as their most logical counterparts. If it's > gonna do this, it oughta make the "e-acute" into a plain ol' "e." I patched our version of demime for precisely that reason. demime doesn't actually eat the characters, all it does is set the charset to US-ASCII in the header. I amended that to ISO-8859-1, which obviously doesn't really solve the problem, but it's good enough for us Europeans... ;-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Winter is coming." 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