From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #126 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, April 18 2002 Volume 11 : Number 126 Today's Subjects: ----------------- please don't call me Reg Fid Def [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: What's all this got to do with Sharon's reproductive glands? [rosso@] Re: What's all this got to do with Sharon's reproductive glands? [cmb a] Re: Chicago Review [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Fossicking ["Spring Cherry" ] I hate the word "squick" [drew ] Re: sharon in a jar [gSs ] recently disproved [Jill Brand ] thanks, Noe [Jill Brand ] questions [Jill Brand ] Re: questions [Eleanore Adams ] Re: questions ["madcowan" ] Re: sharon in a jar [steve ] Re: sharon in a jar [steve ] Re: questions [Steve Talkowski ] Re: 80s trades? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: child of the moon / mostly robyn ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Fossicking [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: What's all this got to do with Sharon's reproductive glands? [ross] the Dylan tribute show - various recordings [bayard ] Re: recently disproved [Miles Goosens ] what indeed... [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] baltimore 1.1.91 [Eclipse ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:50:35 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: please don't call me Reg Fid Def >Also, I'd just point out that believing that you live where you live >because of chance, and indeed believing that all religious systems are >mistaken, is a *faith* based *belief*. Believing that you live where you live is a faith based belief if you want to take it to its logical extreme. In fact, believing you live takes some sort of faith in your mental processes. James PS - Yaaaaaayyyyy! Randi's back!!!!!! James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:53:07 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: What's all this got to do with Sharon's reproductive glands? On 17 Apr 2002, at 12:58, matt sewell wrote: > Hmm... why is it disturbing? It's disturbing because it's being used to legitimise an act that's even more reprehensible than the one it's meant to avenge. >I guess what I meant was any action > (state-sanctioned or otherwise) that kills, wounds, makes > homeless, non-combatant civilians is terrorism, surely? No. Terrible, certainly, but not "terrorism" -- unless that word's just been castrated. If you mean they should both stop, I agree. OK, here's an analogy (which I'm pretty sure I'll end up regretting): Fistfights between kids are wrong. Period. Given that, can you see a difference between some bully who says "I'm gonna punch your lights out, punk", then proceeds chase the victim down, and another unprovoked attacker who says "here, want to hold this kitten?" then socks the victim in the nose when he's expecting pleasantries and friendship (and unready to defend himself). I've had them both happen to me, and I can tell you one leaves you feeling much more victimised than the other, as bad as they both are. Guess which one is the occupation and which is the bomber in the Seder crowd? If Arafat can say "well, we're terrorists because they're terrorists", then we need a nastier word to discribe that nastier tactic they use - -- until that gets appropriated, too. > Blowing non-combatants to smithereens is common to both sides. It's not the blowing up that constitutes terrorism. It's the "howdy, neighbour --- BOOOM!" that makes it seem so much worse to me. Suppose some side of an orchestrated armed conflict says that because they've suffered casualties they're holocaust victims? It's more than just death, more than just terror, isn't it? It's an abandonment of one's humanity that exceeds even the "norms" of war. I'm no philosopher, and I'll likely get debated out of my point if you play philosophy with me, but I know bullshit when I smell it, and Arafat's cry of "terrorism" reeks of bullshit. So does the "we have no other choice" defense. I can't really explain the way I feel any better, and I doubt anybody else here really wants me to. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:11:07 -0700 (PDT) From: cmb adams Subject: Re: What's all this got to do with Sharon's reproductive glands? I can't believe I'm entering into this discussion after complaining about its very existence, but what the hell...as long as it's going on anyway: On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > No. Terrible, certainly, but not "terrorism" -- unless that word's > just been castrated. If you mean they should both stop, I agree. > OK, here's an analogy (which I'm pretty sure I'll end up regretting): ... > It's not the blowing up that constitutes terrorism. It's the "howdy, > neighbour --- BOOOM!" that makes it seem so much worse to me. I think the word *has* been redefined to mean "any violent act performed by people whom the speaker doesn't like". I'm not sure there ever was a clear, useful definition of the word. I'm not sure yours holds water, for example. can you list five examples of specific acts or events that qualify as "terrorism" under your definition? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:37:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Chicago Review On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > My contacts in the God camp have let hints drop that God's Ferry tribute, > tentatively titled NOT FLESH OR BLOOD (no word on whether it will include a > cover of Ferry's cover of "Sympathy for the Devil," but I hear that the > All-Powerful One is a huge fan of this sort of meta-irony, as even a > cursory glance at the Book of Job will confirm), is set for an October 2011 > release, accomplishing the twin goals of getting it out in time for the > holiday rush *and* beating the next Kate Bush album to the shelves. Ooh - I think it should be delayed a month or two - otherwise it'll bump right up against the new My Bloody Valentine CD. It probably won't matter, though - I hear Tom Scholz is *almost* ready with a new Boston CD... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:45:16 +0000 From: "Spring Cherry" Subject: Fossicking Ross: >Kay, besides the wedding band, any other >evidence of Robyn's left-handedness? Being a >lefty, I'm interested. You know, after writing that Im afraid I realized it was just my dyslexia showing. I was -hoping- no one would notice, but since you're post gave a mention of one of my all time favorite Stones song (CotM)-and- luminious body (M)I happily fess up. I was turned around. Just for the record, I was abidexterous till I went to this posh french nursery school where you got wacked on your left hand if you used it. Luckily, I didnt have the complete my year there; the Fire Dept closed it down as a hazard:-). I wonder if I would have turned into a lefty left to my own devices? James: >a 'red tide' of millions of krill. Sometimes after a storm the beach can be >littered with 'em. Oh, and hundreds of oystercatchers, gulls and (just occasionally) the odd spoonbill, all having a feast. James, we get that too. Ususally in Aug/Sept when the oceans heated up. On the hottest days when you really want to swim--theres this gunk in the water that stings. Same time of year we can also get a jellyfish infestations. Little clear nonstinging ones, but -lots- of them. You come out of the water covered in ichor. And if you swim with your mouth open... Kay, who loved fossicking around on the beach the morning after a hurricane. Now that was surreal--dishwashers set on jetties; one year, a whole house, still standing, pushed out into its own island in the bay, clothes hanging off pine trees, boardwalks leading nowhere. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:22:25 -0700 From: drew Subject: I hate the word "squick" > From: "Spring Cherry" > So did you take a stick and prodd it? Was it tarnslucent blue so you > could > see the sand underneath. Were their deep disgusting veins in it? The fact of your asking these questions is somehow just as appealing as anticipating the answers. (Very, that is. I like oogy sea creatures.) > I don't know if I can meet that for gross-out factor. I did thou almost > step on a sleeping tarantua during a dawn beach stroll in Antigua, then > looked around in the growing light to realize that I had just walked > thru a > land-mind field of the hairy critters, and that now I was now going to > have > to walk back. And that they were all waking up. Fantastic! > From: gSs > > Fucking or better yet, skill fucking. Do you mean "skull fucking"? What is "skill fucking"? It has to be more interesting than the previous topic. > From: "Jason R. Thornton" > > I'm pretty sure that fasting is a type of meal, too. Son of fantastic! On the cable subject: we have a local municipal cable company. It's pretty cool to think about, though in practice it's not much better than Time-Warner. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:32:43 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: sharon in a jar On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, matt sewell wrote: > Believing that both the Israelis and the Palestinians have a right to a > state isn't stealing from the poor to give to the poor. But what the Isreali's are doing is denying the Palestinians independance and statehood, period. It should have read: stealing from the poor to give to the not so poor. > Genetically, it has recently been proven (much to the fury of both > sides) that there are no differences racially between the Israelis and > the Palestinians - they're both races (or the same race) that originated > in what is now Israel (and should be Israel and Palestine). You mean the Isreal of times long past as explained in often misrepresented folkloric accounts which have been adjusted for ease of ingestion? Or the Isreal as of today and that 6'4" blonde haired, blue eyed Jewish man who is Russian down to his icy boots but now forcefully occupies land that up until last year had been worked for centuries by essentially the same Palestinian clan, for instance? > Also, as I said, not believing that the universe was created by something > (god or whatever) is a position of faith. You can't prove that god > doesn't exist, so you *believe* she doesn't. I have never said that I believe the universe is self-rising, recently. I create new universes all the the time, but I am not a supreme being. I can also destroy an entire universe in the blink of an eye and that still does not make me a/the god. Though it could mean I am a supremely sorry ass motherfucker, at least to something somewhere. We all get to be gods for a time. Show me magic and I will come to you on my hands and knees to wash your feet and then worship you as my god and follow you to the ends of your universe for the rest of my life. We should file god and magic right between Rudolph and Gandolf but just before the great pumpkin. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:40:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: recently disproved Miles wrote: Is it true that the Israelis originated in Palestine? Maybe I'm misremembering something like ASIMOV'S GUIDE TO THE BIBLE, but I always had it in mind that Abraham and his people moved from Mesopotamia to Palestine I just had a talk with my dad about this, and he said that the whole theory of Abraham living in what is now Iraq has been debunked, and that the current belief is that he was just a lowly Canaanite. This is the kind of conversation I have with my father when it's not "Hi, how are you? I'm fine......" Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:48:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: thanks, Noe I want to thank Noe for turning himself inside out for the list. I really appreciate hearing what is not the party line from someone who is living the conversation, not just arguing over it. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:55:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: questions Some musings from Friday night: 1. Why is Robyn's left thumbnail so long? My kids both play classical guitar and therefore have longish nails on their right hands, but I can't see any reason for the left thumbnail. Dave (he's the fencer to you, Kay) said that his friend uses his thumbnail as a utility knife. I wonder if it is confiscated at airports. 2. Don't a lot of Europeans wear their wedding bands on their right hands? Pipe in if you are a .uk or a .de. 3. Was the Bottom Line eerily silent during the second set? I know people wait for every gem that drips from Robyn's lips, but while he was acting all kinds of befuddled when the amp was acting funny, you still could have heard a pin drop. 4. Why did he mention three members of the Band (Rick Danko, Richard Manuel, and Levon Helm) in one evening? Has he ever covered a song by the Band? Wouldn't it be cool to hear him do Unfaithful Servant? How about Unfaithful Serpent? 5. WHO IS COMING TO SEE THIS MOVIE PREMIERE IN WORCESTER? Jill, who never posts this much ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:16:06 -0700 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: questions If he is a coke addict, it could be his drug nail... e On Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 06:55 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > Some musings from Friday night: > > 1. Why is Robyn's left thumbnail so long? My kids both play classical > guitar and therefore have longish nails on their right hands, but I > can't > see any reason for the left thumbnail. Dave (he's the fencer to you, > Kay) said that his friend uses his thumbnail as a utility knife. I > wonder > if it is confiscated at airports. > > 2. Don't a lot of Europeans wear their wedding bands on their right > hands? > Pipe in if you are a .uk or a .de. > > 3. Was the Bottom Line eerily silent during the second set? I know > people > wait for every gem that drips from Robyn's lips, but while he was acting > all kinds of befuddled when the amp was acting funny, you still could > have > heard a pin drop. > > 4. Why did he mention three members of the Band (Rick Danko, Richard > Manuel, and Levon Helm) in one evening? Has he ever covered a song by > the > Band? Wouldn't it be cool to hear him do Unfaithful Servant? How about > Unfaithful Serpent? > > 5. WHO IS COMING TO SEE THIS MOVIE PREMIERE IN WORCESTER? > > Jill, who never posts this much ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:22:47 -0400 From: "madcowan" Subject: Re: questions from Jill: >Why did he mention three members of the Band (Rick Danko, >Richard Manuel, and Levon Helm) in one evening? Because they backed Dylan during the band portion of the famous Royal Albert Hall concert that Robyn recreated and included excerpts of in his new disc? Out of curiosity, what was the context? Roberta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:47:07 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: sharon in a jar On Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 07:32 PM, gSs wrote: > We all get to be gods for a time. So the Mormons are right after all. - - Steve __________ Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse, the bumbling, tongue-tied Dick Armey announces his retirement as House majority leader and the shrewd, malevolent Tom DeLay, now Republican whip, moves quickly-and probably successfully-to succeed him. - Cragg Hines, Houston Chronicle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:50:50 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: sharon in a jar On Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 11:26 AM, matt sewell wrote: > Genetically, it has recently been proven (much to the fury of both > sides) that there are no differences racially between the Israelis and > the Palestinians - they're both races (or the same race) that originated > in what is now Israel (and should be Israel and Palestine). Haven't we decided, genetically, that there is no such thing as "race". - - Steve __________ "We're not attacking Islam, but Islam has attacked us. The God of Islam is not the same God," the Rev. Franklin Graham, who spoke at President Bush's inauguration, said recently. "He's not the son of God of the Christian or Judeo-Christian faith. It's a different God, and I believe it is a very evil and wicked religion." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:10:05 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: questions > 1. Why is Robyn's left thumbnail so long? *Whew* I'm not the only one who caught that - it was very odd and because I love watching his fingerwork when he plays and I was constantly drawn to the distracting freakynail. > 2. Don't a lot of Europeans wear their wedding bands on their right hands? I don't know too much about his personal life. Did I read somewhere that he has 3 children? What are their ages? > 3. Was the Bottom Line eerily silent during the second set? I know people > wait for every gem that drips from Robyn's lips, but while he was acting > all kinds of befuddled when the amp was acting funny, you still could have > heard a pin drop. I think most of us were just plain tired by that time. Or, we were waiting for the amp to do something interesting - like start to smoke, rattle and explode. > 5. WHO IS COMING TO SEE THIS MOVIE PREMIERE IN WORCESTER? I'll have to wait until it hits the indie theatres here in NYC. - -Steve (waiting for our unseasonal heatwave to break!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:13:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: 80s trades? On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > >and others... I've got some cool stuff to trade. Julian Cope > >Skellington(actually the worst CD ever, but someone might enjoy it...), > > !!! SKELLINGTON seems pretty darn far from the worst CD ever. In fact, > I'd say it's pretty essential to understanding where Cope's '90s material > came from, and I'd even take it over the mightily overrated PEGGY > SUICIDE. I've owned the vinyl, the original CD (now stolen), and the > expanded SKELLINGTON CHRONICLES (available through Cope's site, > ). Thanks, Miles - I was going to say something rather like that (although I disagree on the _Peggy Suicide_ thing, even though I *would* like it if it were shorter). Uh, also: does anyone know why _Angel_ had Elliot Smith discover the injured Wesley in the park? I expected him to say to Wes, "Everybody cares. Everybody understands." (Okay, it wasn't really him - but it looked a lot like him.) - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave. ::That must mean...as soon as I fall asleep, I'll start shaving! __Thomas Pynchon, VINELAND__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:20:18 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: child of the moon / mostly robyn >From: gSs >Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 15:39:55 -0500 (CDT) > >On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, ross taylor wrote: > > Kay, besides the wedding band, any other > > evidence of Robyn's left-handedness? Being a > > lefty, I'm interested. > >has anyone seen him giving a signature or,,, >ok never mind that one. Either one could be a >good indicator. >>gSs http://www.underwatermoonlight.com/large_images/cone.html Note Sharpie is in right hand. Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:29:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: sharon in a jar On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, matt sewell wrote: > Also, as I said, not believing that the universe was created by something > (god or whatever) is a position of faith. You can't prove that god > doesn't exist, so you *believe* she doesn't. And you can't *prove* that invisible, furless subatomic monkeys don't fly through the air of Pluto playing electric zithers tuned to the Phrygian mode, either - so is it only "faith" if you say that there are no such creatures? "Faith" is accepting something without the support of logic or reason. If logic or reason suggests something does *not* exist (that is, if there's no logical/rational evidence of its existence), believing it doesn't exist isn't "faith": it's being reasonable. The assumption of existence/ nonexistence is *not* equivalent to one another for all conceivable things. Faith is a separate system from reason. It should no more trouble a truly religious person that science can't prove the existence of God than the existence of poetry troubles a scientist: they're not really relevant to one another, nor are they trying to accomplish the same things (used properly, that is). Religion (as an organized, earthly system) is another thing entirely... Oh - and what Steve said re race: 'tis an entirely social construct; there's nothing to it genetically. Variance between individuals of the "same" race is far greater than variance between averages of any two different races (or something like that: someone who's an actual biologist might chip in at this point). We assign social significance to certain inherited physical traits (say, skin color, facial build, etc.) and not others (handedness, eye color, etc.). Someone should resurrect Jonathan Swift to do a number on the War Between Attached and Detached Earlobe People... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: The possibility of Klingon slash fiction :: fills me with mild apprehension. __ Michael Quinion __ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:38:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Fossicking On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Spring Cherry wrote: > Just for the record, I was abidexterous till I went to this posh french > nursery school where you got wacked on your left hand if you used it. By gangs of vicious keep-right signs? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::a squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous...got me? __Captain Beefheart__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 02:01:13 -0400 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: What's all this got to do with Sharon's reproductive glands? On 17 Apr 2002, at 16:11, cmb adams wrote: > I think the word *has* been redefined to > mean "any violent act performed by people > whom the speaker doesn't like". I think we agree, or at least I agree that some are trying to redefne the word. My Webster's dictionary definition would cover any act of war: "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes". So what is word for those people who attack civilian targets exclusively and under the pretense of being peaceful bystanders? (a number of smart-ass one-liners spring to mind here) > I'm not sure there ever was a clear, useful > definition of the word. I'm not sure yours > holds water, for example. can you list five > examples of specific acts or events that > qualify as "terrorism" under your definition? I did, then I erased the list. I doubt anybody here wants to see it, unless it's to systematically pick at points I may not have intended to make relevant to the discussion. I think we agree again, actually. It just makes me squirm when Arafat says implies they're responding to Israel in kind, when the two tactics disturb me in very different ways. Do you really not understand me or are we playing philosophy now, like when the busker told me all those tagger stickers on the wall staking out turf were arguably definable as art? I honestly don't understand Matt's equation of the the tactics of both sides as "terrorism". Hey cmb, how about a quick self-introduction? Hey Drew -- sorry if you made it all the way down here to find only this. . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:30:24 -0700 (PDT) From: bayard Subject: the Dylan tribute show - various recordings > > >is it the same as "Rob, Bob, and Albert" in terms of quality? > > > > i can't answer that question directly since i don't have a copy of _rob, > > bob and albert_, but i can say > > > > (1) the albert hall tribute tracks from _robyn sings_ (the second disc) > > sound like an audience recording to me and are listenable. supposedly, > they > > are from the same source as the "beautiful queen" promo which is a > > different source from the bootleg. i don't know which source is better > > (bayard knows, i think). in any case, it is not a complete recording of > the > > tribute show. IIRC, the Promo is better than the Bootleg (both were audience recordings to analog cassette, i believe.) The best recording, of course, was Bill Pannifer's audience DAT, which i offered up to Robyn's peeps when I heard about what was to become "robyn sings"... but they were only mildly interested (probably b/c the project was already underway). It seems likely that the source recording that became the Promo was also used (excerpted from) to make Robyn Sings. (It may be that the promo and the bootleg were from the same source but the promo was digitally "cleaned up".) obOpinion: disc dots seems quite unessential to me, but i look forward to playing stripes. =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 23:42:14 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: recently disproved At 09:40 PM 4/17/2002 -0400, Jill Brand wrote: >Miles wrote: > >Is it true that the Israelis originated in Palestine? Maybe I'm >misremembering something like ASIMOV'S GUIDE TO THE BIBLE, but I always >had >it in mind that Abraham and his people moved from Mesopotamia to Palestine > > >I just had a talk with my dad about this, and he said that the whole >theory of Abraham living in what is now Iraq has been debunked, and that >the current belief is that he was just a lowly Canaanite. This is the kind of response I hoped to get, 'cos the latest in Bible interpretation/historicity and the history of ancient Palestine lie outside my former history specialty and my usual reading habits, so I would have no way of knowing where the scholarship on this had gone since I read whatever way back when (again, I think the most likely culprit was Asimov). Also, though no one's accused me of it, I don't want anyone to think I was asking to find support for anyone's historical, mythical, or WEEKLY WORLD NEWS-based claim to the region. It was just one of those "huh, I had heard theory X, but is it Y nowadays?" sorta queries. Thanks for the quick answer, Jill! >This is the >kind of conversation I have with my father when it's not "Hi, how are you? >I'm fine......" But at least it's a conversation, and presumably a civil one. best, Miles np: Giants at Padres via RealAudio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 19:34:33 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: what indeed... >Re: politics AND religion! what next? Looks like Arsenal are gonna get the double this year. Becks's break means that the Manure are in the, erm, manure. Go the Gunners! >My contacts in the God camp have let hints drop that God's Ferry tribute, >tentatively titled NOT FLESH OR BLOOD (no word on whether it will include a >cover of Ferry's cover of "Sympathy for the Devil," but I hear that the >All-Powerful One is a huge fan of this sort of meta-irony, as even a >cursory glance at the Book of Job will confirm), is set for an October 2011 >release, accomplishing the twin goals of getting it out in time for the >holiday rush *and* beating the next Kate Bush album to the shelves. Bad news, I hear the Almightly is currently without a label. Seems he walked out on Virgin when he found out it wasn't owned by his mum. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:56:12 -0700 From: Eclipse Subject: baltimore 1.1.91 hey gang, i have mp3's of a live RH show from Baltimore, 1.1.1991, downloaded some time ago from i-don't-remember-where. as i was getting ready to commit this delicious show to cd, i discovered that my download of the eighth track, Airscape, was bad. so now i have this whole show except that song! can any of you help me replace this? is one of you the generous soul who originally put this up for download? this is the only mp3 i need from this show - i have the rest of it already. any help would be deeply appreciated! i'm on a fast pipe and can download quick, for those of you concerned about bandwidth. thx, Eclipse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eclipse eclipse@tuliphead.com tuliphead design art jewelry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kindness towards all things is the true religion. - Buddha ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #126 ********************************