From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #120 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, April 16 2002 Volume 11 : Number 120 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: sharon's dirty testicles (end of thread?) [cmb adams ] Re: sharon's dirty testicles (end of thread?) [Tom Clark ] Re: sharon's dirty testicles (REAL end of thread?) ["noe shalev" ] Re: Pornos we did in college ["Michael Wells" ] bottom line boots [mike hooker ] Re: angry testicles (slight return) [steve ] RE: Pornos we did in high school ["Timothy Reed" ] Cherry Phosphate [Brian Cully ] Re: NYC ["Brian Hoare" ] off-topic posts ["Marc Holden" ] Re: angry testicles (slight return) ["noe shalev" ] Re: Pornos we did in college [Ken Weingold ] Andrew W.K. (Re: Pornos we did in high school) [Ken Weingold Subject: RE: sharon's dirty testicles (end of thread?) On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: > You also are perfectly capable of using the delete key/button. by that argument, you wouldn't mind if I submitted your address to a dozen different spam-oriented "harvester" sites. or if I started posting "what I had for lunch today" messages to the list every afternoon. or any one of a dozen other obvious reductio ad absurdum possibilities. your point that other "off-topic" issues come up plenty of times is accurate. I'm not especially interested in whether somebody- or-other has a piercing or not, or whether so-and-so likes televsion either. those off-topic discussions, and others like them, are inappropriate to the list also. if they bother you, as your description of them as "off topic crap" might seem to indicate, I think you would be doing yourself (and possibly the rest of the list) a service by speaking up once in a while and saying "um... stay on topic?" for my part, I don't mind seeing a few off-topic messages that are ten-or-so-lines long and relatively inoffensive. I tend to say "enough" when it turns into 100+ line messages that are, if not offensive, then at least combative. keeping notorious "flame-war" topics off of unrelated mailing lists improves the signal- to-noise ratio, cuts down on bad blood and hurt feelings, and is basically good news for everybody. if you want a bunch of spam on arab-israeli politics, I'm sure you can find a dozen other mailing lists and newsgroups to fill that need. please drop me a note if you need assistance. I'd be happy to help you in your research. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:47:34 -0700 (PDT) From: cmb adams Subject: off-topicness in the interest of practicing what I preach, I'm going to stop posting off-topic postings about going off-topic. anyone who wants the last word on-list, you can have it. anyone who wants to discuss the subject further off-list, feel free to get in touch. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:55:45 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: sharon's dirty testicles (end of thread?) on 4/15/02 3:39 PM, cmb adams at adams@vader.boutell.com wrote: > or if I started posting "what I had for > lunch today" messages to the list every > afternoon. You've got my vote! - -t "tuna on toast" c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 02:57:03 +0200 From: "noe shalev" Subject: Re: sharon's dirty testicles (REAL end of thread?) > you don't go to a political rally to argue about > which Soft Boy is sexiest. (not that there's any > room for argument: it's definitely Seligman.) > > don't come here to argue about politics. this mailing list is basicaly not a subject oriented one. it's a community. what stick us together is our passion and love for the music of an english lad called Robyn. most of us find that apart from liking Robyn we do share other coltural consuming habits. we people, we talk. some of us even meet in real life. let me be frank with you. I don't read all the massages in the list. I go through them and delete those who I don't want to read at the moment. like being in a party I can mingle around but don't talk to anybody and don't join all conversations. if you feel the same you probably ain't reading this now. so y do I bother :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:16:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: At first I didn't understand what you had against this woman It was written: " sharon's dirty testicles, in a jar by the door." I couldn't figure out what woman named Sharon had testicles, much less why you disliked her so much. Then I continued to read.... I happen to be in the fortunate/unfortunate position of being the daughter of a Holocaust survivor who thinks that Sharon should be sitting next to Milosovic at a tribunal at the Hague. I also think that Israel needs to exist, but that the settlements must go. Maybe if the Germans had been forced to give the Jews Bavaria after WWII, this wouldn't be a problem (I'm married to a German Catholic, BTW, so I hope the Germans don't come out of the woodwork and skewer me). I don't know what the fuck the Israelis (many of my relatives included) were thinking when they decided to elect a Likud government with a war criminal at its helm (no, don't tell me how horrible the Arabs are - I'm not on that subject at the moment). I agree with Quail - Sharon and Arafat cannot wage peace. The wrongs on both sides are numerous. I, however, would feel a whole lot better if the Israelis would take the high road. From what I've read and seen, that can't happen under Likud. Whoever wrote about "the Jews" also needs to understand that there are many Jews, and that some of them (undoubtedly a minority, but still a group), both in Israel and in the US, are disgusted by what has been going on. I'll go back to grading papers now. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:24:37 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: re: wearing a dirty testicle that she keeps in a jar by the door For once, I find some points to agree with gSs - but I can't swallow the wholesale destruction of Israel. The problem is less Israel than it is Sharon and his fellow warmongering dinosaurs. Up until he came to power, things were moving towards a fairly stable situation between Israel and Palestine. The US, for once, is in a position to do some good in this situation with some justification. Without US help, Israel would almost certainly have ceased to be a separate state many years ago. Given that the UN has voiced its disapproval of the current situation, the US, under UN mandate, could use its support as a very powerful lever. As TGQ pointed out, neither side is lily-white when it comes to this situation, nor are both entirely in the right when it comes to the land issue, which still will cause a thorny problem in times to come. Realistically, a Palestinian west bank and Gaza, a DMZ across the Golan Heights and Jerusalem as an international free port would be the best outcome, but even this is not ideal. International cities are never a long term solution (Trieste was perhaps the longest lived, and that was very short lived, IIRC), and a DMZ is never a perfect answer. One thing is for sure though[1], As long as Israel continues to be belligerant towards the countries surrounding it and the friends of those countries, it will never know peace. The Palestinians must be looked on as either neighbours or friends of neighbours - and attacking them is as strong a message as attacking any other country that surrounds Israel. The Israeli people were a people looking for a homeland for long enough, and they know well the resentment this can cause. It is an act of sheer stupidity on the part of the Israeli administration not to realise that the same situation exists now among Palestinians, due to Israeli actions. And that resentment is bound to build into enmity and hatred. If you want good neighbours you must be a good neighbour. The suicide bombings will continue for the time being irrespective of what Palestinian authorities say and Israeli authorities do. Asking Arafat to stop them is like asking Bush to stop high-school massacres in the US. Asking Arafat to stop them *under the present circumstances* is like asking Bush to stop the high-school killings while locking him in the oval office with only intermittent means of communication, and destroying every police station in the US. James [1]the sheep is not a creature of the air? James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:24:47 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #118 > >We are also having a > >contest - we are asking people to send in food recipes > >regarding Robyn/Grant song titles. We will make and > >serve the best. Midnight Fish with Egyptian Cream, > >anyone? take one suitcase, braise lightly in one bottle of red wine. While this is cooking, dice the skull... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:25:07 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: reap author Damon Knight James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:26:48 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: And you shall know them by their headgear... on Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:13:51 -0400 Carissa was heard to exclaim: > Hats!!! crowns? rainhats? bike helmets? > OR CAPES! magic wands? This is actually more problematic than it sounds. So many choices. I was thinking maybe my Octoberfest floppy, a grey wool job bought in Hanover at the onset of an amazing 30 hour bender that involved the wrong train, the Reeperbahn in Hamburg, and almost no hangover. Would be too warm on an 80 degree humid evening, though. I've also got a German Dr. Suess hat, from the '94 World Cup here...but too vertical. And for pure obstruction, my red sombrero with gold trim is right out. Perhaps my Greek fisherman's hat, a flat black classic purchased, of all places, in San Francisco? And then there's a light Italian tricolor from Milwaukee (that hotbed of Italians) that might be nice. My vintage 1979 Seattle Mariners replica batting helmet? Too much plastic. And alas I find the pixies have gotten to my Jester's tricorn, or my head has grown of late. I know, my other Seattle hat, with the foam stuffed Seahawk erupting from the front panel! Well, actually it's a bit heavy. For light and airy, my daughter has a snappy little straw number with a daisy in the front...no. Bunny ears? Santa hats? Too many options. I'll get something figured out by tomorrow night. Michael "he's got quite a melon, that's for sure" Wells who was thinking of testing his surgically repaired knee for the first time tonight, but with the concert tomorrow has thought differently... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 12:38:07 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: angry testicles (slight return) >god bless internet (and al gore the inventor matbe?) but more importamt god >bless Robyn. >if it wasn't for that combination, well >where were we now. >and if wer'e in the bless and thank business I wish to bless my parents who >brought me up to be able to write this shit. >and I wish to thank the Nobel academy - oh damn, this is from another >speech) Shalom (and also Salaam!) Noe - some sanity from this list again at last! Please don't take personally any comments I have made on the conflict in your country. I hope I've made it clear that I don't blame the Israeli people other than for having the stupidity to elect Sharon. And I can think of at least one other (larger, more powerful) country that has managed to elect an idiot (no names... :) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:58:45 -0400 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: re: sharon's dirty testicles, in a jar by the door Speaking of Beatles songs, wouldn't it be great to hear Robyn cover "Bungalow Build" just about now? - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:07:38 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Glass Flesh 2, Bottom Line thoughts and a little EC thrown in It was a pleasure to meet a few of you at the show on Friday night. I briefly said hi to Jon Fetter, Mary (she wasn't scary at all), The Great Quail (who informed me he goes by the monicker "Alan"), LJ (had to say hi to a fellow Costello enthusiast), listmaster woj, and the very nice Bayard Catron, who was more than happy to sell me a copy of the amazing Glass Flesh 2 CD. I have to say that this is one of the most professional fan tribute album I've ever seen/heard. I dig it very much. The packaging alone is outstanding work. Great job to everyone involved! I am SO glad I decided to buy a ticket for the 2nd show and hang out. I kept hearing that he wouldn't play the same set twice and loved hearing Linctus House twice ; ) And any show where you get both "Autumn Is Your Last Chance" AND "Heart Full Of Leaves" (during the 1st set no less) is fine by me. And "Dark Princess". And, oh - you get the idea. btw, for those Costello-ites on the list, tix for the June 18 Beacon show go onsale this Wednesday, 9am at ticketbastard.com (The June 19 Beacon show goes on sale Friday morn). Speaking of Friday, Elvis will be in town performing outdoors at noon (59th St and 5h Ave) for a taping of CBS Saturday Morning. Best of all - it's FREE. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:32:26 -0400 From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: Pornos we did in college Funny that Tim should bring up the subject (albeit about Ken's hair), because I recently found out that a woman I dated for almost a year about 12 years ago actually made a porno a couple years after we broke up. While she was certainly very uninhibited, I just never thought she had it in her - -- er, no pun intended. I found myself torn between surprise and a nagging curiosity to check out her work. Anyway, I took a poll at work and thought maybe this would be an interesting group to spring the same question on: A dozen years later you find out she (or he or they -- there, I think I've covered everyone here) did a porno. Would you rent or buy it? About 50 percent of those polled in my office said they would. ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:43:10 -0400 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: Pornos we did in college On 15 Apr 2002, at 22:32, Scott Hunter McCleary wrote: > A dozen years later you find out she (or he or they -- there, I think > I've covered everyone here) did a porno. Would you rent or buy it? Buy, because rented tape may be weared or damaged. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:52:02 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: Pornos we did in college > > A dozen years later you find out she (or he or they -- there, I think > > I've covered everyone here) did a porno. Would you rent or buy it? > > Buy, because rented tape may be weared or damaged. You mean "sticky," don't you? And I'd say buy two - depending on the terms of your splitup, one might be a nice Christmas present for his/her folks. Michael "who loves ya, baby" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:12:50 -0400 From: mike hooker Subject: bottom line boots hi, ive been working non stop on my bottom line boots. i meant to take some time, but i'm hooked , i cant tear myself away from it. i'm soliciting opinions from those who were in attendance. at least from my seat, it seemed the vocals were way out front, the guitar in comparison seems to me mic'd/mixed fairly low. an analysis of the music as straight from my dat to my PC also tells me it's so. did anyone else there feel the same regarding the mix? at the show,i noticed it right away. i have burned the show a variety of ways. one, straight from the DAT. two, with the quieter parts mixed up , makes it a more even recording, a lot easier to listen to without having to pay special attention not to miss anything. i have listened to it, and it sounds stellar, but it still requires some concentrated listening to get the whole vibe. . i still feel the guitar is a bit low, so i made another with the guitar parts almost even with the voice. i havent listened to it at work, thru a PA in a large room. thru headphones it sounds great. it tough to do it without bring up all sorts of unwanted sounds, but i think i nailed it. my question is, what is the consensus as to what it should finally be? i was thinking of offering a choice, but that probabbly is more work than i want to do. please see my music trading page: New URL http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html have fun, mike hooker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:21:12 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: angry testicles (slight return) On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 07:38 PM, James Dignan wrote: > And I can think of at least one other (larger, more powerful) > country that has managed to elect an idiot (no names... :) More than one other, for sure. But please, James, Bush might hold the office of President, but he wasn't actually elected. - - Steve __________ Maybe in the Scalia household they make you pee into a cup just for being alive. - Dahlia Lithwick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:08:07 -0400 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: Pornos we did in high school Funny Scott should mention ex-girlfriends who did porno. My first time was with a girl from my grade who was doing German porn. Apparently 16 - our mutual age - is or was legal age of consent - at least for doing porn - in Germany. She was sleeping with a 30-year old photographer who got her into it. This would have been scandalous had it been common knowledge, as we went to a well regarded private school, but maybe it was and nobody cared. She was a good person for my first time. She was running the show, and had the whole having-sex-while-her-parents-were-watching-TV-in-the-next-room-thing down pretty well. Her ritual (a sleeping bag, the bathroom, a couple of cans of bud and a candle - hmm, add a straw and some chewed gum and that would make a nifty bong) was efficient and well-rehearsed. Maybe this is how it has to be done in mobile homes. It would have been much easier to drive to Lookout Point or wherever, but kids growing up in New York don't have cars. Fortunately for everyone in the house any ruckus we made ended probably ended well before the first commercial was over. Sort of sounds like the director's cut of Kids. Ugh - this isn't going to start a gross losing-my-virginity thread, is it? Tim n.p. Andrew W.K. I Get Wet! I wasn't crazy about their TV appearance this weekend but the record rocks!! > Funny that Tim should bring up the subject (albeit about Ken's hair), > because I recently found out that a woman I dated for almost a year about > 12 years ago actually made a porno a couple years after we broke up. While > she was certainly very uninhibited, I just never thought she had it in her > -- er, no pun intended. I found myself torn between surprise and a nagging > curiosity to check out her work. > > A dozen years later you find out she (or he or they -- there, I think I've > covered everyone here) did a porno. Would you rent or buy it? > > About 50 percent of those polled in my office said they would. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 01:41:13 -0400 From: Brian Cully Subject: Cherry Phosphate On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 01:08 , Timothy Reed wrote: > Sort of sounds like the director's cut of Kids. Ugh - this isn't going > to start > a gross losing-my-virginity thread, is it? Of course not! You wouldn't want that now would you? I lost my cherry to a six headed wombat in Zaire while I was on holiday in the alps. I can't say much about the experience except that it wasn't anything like I'd expected. - -bjc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 07:21:20 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: NYC Looks like the ny show was a fun time for all. I don't see Queen Elvis on the set lists. 2 shows and only repeated song from the look of it. This guy has too many good songs but its good to seem them floating in and out of the sets. Without an album to promote at the moment he is free to play whatever he feels like. Nice to see some trains tunes appearing but I think I'd have enjoyed the second set most. I wonder if he's remembered how to play Ted, Woody & Jr yet? Kay: >and his lower lip juts out, like he was 11 years-old and preforming >critical brain surgery on a hapless sea - urchin. Sea Urchins don't have brains. Sorry, but I couldn't let that past. James: I realised yesterday that you must be heading into the lengthening autumnal evenings, which is the best time for IODOT. In six months time when us northerners are wishing the summer was still us you'll be telling us how great Skylarking is. brian np. The Rough Guide to the Music of Scandanavia. And before you ask, no, it doesn't have the Trondheim Hammer Dance. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:39:18 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: off-topic posts >as charming as I find this subject line >and some of the sentiments expressed under >its rubric, I wonder if perhaps it may be >a little further off-topic than strictly >necessary for a mailing list theoretically >oriented around robyn hitchcock. I have to agree with at least the spirit of this post. The heavy focus on politics, etc. at times can really suck. There are other forums for extended debates on these topics. I sometimes enjoy the off topic stuff immensely, but it can get really annoying, too. I've found out about some great music from the casual chatter here, but too often (not to say a majority of the time) extended debates are carried out for the group that should have been taken off list after a post or two. I'm not saying that I want the list to be moderated or have rules and guidelines written up--post whatever the fuck you want--but to act as if everyone on the list has to have the same enthusiasm for these topics is a load of shit. Really looking forward to seeing Robyn at the Largo in less than a week and a half, Marc If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did." Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:40:29 +0200 From: "noe shalev" Subject: Re: angry testicles (slight return) > More than one other, for sure. But please, James, Bush might hold the > office of President, but he wasn't actually elected. well I think technically he was no? he had more electors voting for him? :-) on the testies mattar though, I don't think mr Gore would have done better. after all I think Clinton had a magor key in what happanes now in Israel and palestine. I hate speculating but if it wasn't for him we might not be where we are today. but here I'm going way off topic again, so here is the link: back in 95 when hopes were high here extreamist from both sides trie'd (and apparently managed) to destroy our chance to peace. on our side a bastared shot PM Rabin and on their side suicide bombers started to went off in busses and malls. so how does it conect to the list? I had this close friend, she was a cinemtographer. sadly enough she was on the wrong bus on the wrong time, and got killed. apparently she was listning to walkman I lent her, which her parents gave me back afterwards. it was completly crashed but the tape inside wasn't damaged. I took it out and tried listening to it, it was a RH colected songs. I pushed the play button: what i heared was: "...by let me tell you. it sounds great when your'e.." why am i sharing this with you? don't know, guess I'm just trying to get on topic in a way. all the best (and so is music) NOE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 04:07:11 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Pornos we did in college On Mon, Apr 15, 2002, Scott Hunter McCleary wrote: > A dozen years later you find out she (or he or they -- there, I think I've > covered everyone here) did a porno. Would you rent or buy it? Just like any other movie, rent it. If you like it, buy it. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 04:21:58 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Andrew W.K. (Re: Pornos we did in high school) On Tue, Apr 16, 2002, Timothy Reed wrote: > n.p. Andrew W.K. I Get Wet! I wasn't crazy about their TV appearance this > weekend but the record rocks!! I just saw Andrew W.K. tonight at Irving Plaza. What a fun show! It was sold out, and a friend called me last minute tonight telling me he got tickets. He said that as he passed by the club earlier, there was a line all the way around the corner to get in, most of them looking about 16 years old. So anyway we get there at about 10, trying to get in to just catch AWK, who was headlining. We get in while the last opening band is playing, a band called Lost Prophet. Absolutely horrible band. Whole thing sponsored by MTV2. So the band gets off and literally about 2/3 of the place clears out. WTF?!? It appears that most of the crowd was there to see them. So the remaining people there now look like they are at least in their mid-20s. More like I expected it. So as I said, the show was really fun. Andrew is there for one reason: to have as much fun as possible. It was like he was giving a huge party and being the house band. Throwing out confetti, streamers, dropping a huge net-ful of balloons on the crowd (during Party Hard, which turned out great because everyone started popping the, and it sounded great), etc. People would jump up on stage to hang for a minute and then jump out in the crowd. Andrew would have his arm around them while they were up there, sharing the mic. A couple of times he put the person up there up on his shoulders for a while. At the end of the show he himself jumped out onto the crowd. Too much fun that show. Highly recommended if you can catch them. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 10:12:32 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: sharon's dirty testicles, in a jar by the door Ok, fair enough, Noe - it was a tasteless statement, but it's a reflection on my own anger and frustration at Israel's extremely right wing government. It's unarguable that the current government is further to the right of pretty much every other (elected) government in the world - - even Dumbya would have catching up to do in the rightwing stakes... It's unarguable that Sharon has been responsible for at least one massacre of women and children, and I simply don't believe the situation in Jenin was as the Israelis described (ie. the whole place empty of anyone but terrorists and booby traps (of course I don't wholeheartedly believe in the Palestinian propaganda)). I do believe that the Israeli government is perpetrating human rights abuses on a horrific scale (eg. not allowing aid into Jenin, denying the wounded medical treatment). Surely this is terrorism of the state-sanctioned kind? As much as I find the Palestinian extremists sickening (there was a Palestinian on the radio this morning, a member of Al Aqsa or similar saying there were no Israeli civilians - that they're all military targets - made me absolutely furious), why is there the need to fight terror with terror, like it's some kind of atrocity competition? So, apologies again, Noe, if I caused offence. Of course the Israeli government is not like the Nazis, though I would say that Sharon (and many of his colleagues) is a fascist. Cheers Matt >From: "noe shalev" >Reply-To: "noe shalev" >To: >Subject: Re: sharon's dirty testicles, in a jar by the door >Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 22:26:15 +0200 > > > Also I find it utterly distasteful that Israeli politicians are > > constantly saying things like "this is our own Twin Towers" - not to say > > that the suicide bombings aren't utterly horrific and fighting extremism > > with yet more extremism, but using the quote as a justification to occupy > > the West Bank and let's face it, kill anyone who *looks* like a terrorist > > ("he was of Middle-Eastern extraction!) is just sick. > >some of you read my posts in the issue here, so no need to tell. I'm a left >wing extreamist, and oppuse the occupation >and violations of the Zeneva treaty, yet under estimating the suicide >attacks over our citys wouldn't make it less horiffy. > >I don't even dare to think what would have hap[paned if half of those >attacks would have taken place in the US, I do dare to think, according to >previous american reacitions, that no witnesses would stay to tell the >details. > >the IDF who I'm proud to be a comanding officer in, although I refused >several times serving in the territories and was jailed once for it, is not >killing anybody who looks like a terrorist. we lost not one and not ten >soldiers by the high standards and carefullness we take. >this is simply not true. if it was so, we would have done it the american >way. instead of risking soldiers lives by going house to house seeking for >explosive labs we could anounce the time, and simply air bomb the place, >anyone who wants can run away. wer'e not america, we didn't do it. not that >I think Sharon wouldn't lilke to do it. luckily enough we don't have the >"privilages" of the nighbourhood bully. this is how it is when your'e not an >uncle and your name ain't Sam. > >I think occupation is bad. >I think it makes us do thing that aren't good, and arne't legal or moral. >but this is not a balck and white picture. The Palestinians failed in >putting >up front a stable, reliable leadership. >a huge amount of the suffering of my brothers palestinians, derived from the >corruption and dictatorship, goverened by chairman Arafat. >The Paletinians choose a way of terror by which they kill on a twice a day >bassis inocent citizens, this is somthing we don't do. >no palestinian civilian was ever intentionaly killed. well I don't think we >should be in the position of fighting anyway, as soon as we realized that >Arafat is not willing to live in a peace with out we should have withdraw >immedietly and fold back the settelments, but there's a long distance >between this and the pure evil that been taken against us. > > > > >It's horrific though - at the risk of making a tasteless statement, it > > seems ironic to me that Jewish people, having been through the horrors of > > the holocaust are now simply handing out the same treatment to the > > Palestinians (it seems to me that Sharon will not be happy until the > > Palestinians are totally cowed/wiped out). > >and in the same spirit: mentioning the holocaust and the Israeli occupation >in the same sentence, let alone comparing them, is not only an insalt to an >inteoigent mind, it obviouslt a sign of complete ignorance of what the >holocaust was and what the arab israeli conflict is all about. > >I think that even comparing the Israeli occupation to the deeds of America >on Afganistan and Irak not to say Vietnam, takes alot of nerves and >hipocracy, but to the Nazis? > >come on matt. you can do better than that. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #120 ********************************