From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #118 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, April 15 2002 Volume 11 : Number 118 Today's Subjects: ----------------- One week and counting... ["Cynthia Peterson" ] Re: "Elixers and Remedies" Premiere! ["Michael Wells" ] Re: this might sound dodgy now [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Largo [SIMON50@aol.com] Corrected NYC Setlists. ["Maximilian Lang" ] SHOWZ - FOTOS! [The other Mr Feg ] Re: Psyched [Brian ] Star Cr*pping [Brian ] re: sharon's dirty testicles, in a jar by the door [gSs ] Me and TV: a love/hate relationship ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: sharon's dirty testicles, in a jar by the door ["noe shalev" Subject: One week and counting... Hi! Looks like I've been tapped to somehow organize the nearly-invisible Seattle Feg contingent. So -- where are you? Who's going to the show? Nick Winkworth will be in town, and he and I and maybe my friend Anne plan on going to Eddie's restaurant before the show. [Eddie, what time should we get there?] I'll have room for 1 or 2 in my car if anyone wants to carpool. The restaurant is quite a ways from the venue (like, a couple towns north) but it's worth it! Also, if anyone would like to meet downtown for lunch on Saturday, let me know. The Seattlites don't know each other nearly as well as that tight San Francisco crowd, not to mention the incredibly loving group that gather in New York! (Must be a Northwest thing...) Let the countdown begin! Cynthia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:47:28 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: "Elixers and Remedies" Premiere! Subject: "Elixers and Remedies" Premiere! > good news! the robyn & grant film is finally getting out there That is most excellent news. Hopefully the DVD will not be too far behind. > >We are also having a > >contest - we are asking people to send in food recipes > >regarding Robyn/Grant song titles. We will make and > >serve the best. Midnight Fish with Egyptian Cream, > >anyone? Boy, are they gonna be surprised with my recipe for "Give me a Spanner, Ralph." Michael sporting a freshly shaved dome for Robyn's visit ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:49:07 -0700 From: drew Subject: this might sound dodgy now > From: "Maximilian Lang" > Subject: NYC Setlists. > > 13.The New Age(VU) I can't even imagine how this would sound sung by Robyn. I've got to hear it. Yeow. Oh, incidentally, it turns out that Siouxsie and Her Banshees are playing a second SF date, at the Fillmore. I snagged a (very expensive) ticket yesterday and will be getting to see them at last, after all. And it's the day after Robyn's SF show. I think my brain may cave in. > From: > > I went without a TV for about a year and a half -- when I moved into > my first apartment for grad school. We had one in college but we only watched Mystery Science Theater 3000 on it, so I missed just about every regular TV show that was on during those four years. Then when I moved into my first apartment in DC (that only lasted about 4 months before I moved to Rochester), the guy I lived with didn't own one at all (he was barely home often enough to use it). I really didn't miss it at all. I went to the library a lot. In DC I didn't even have the internet at home, and I didn't miss that either. I was, however, terribly lonely, and moved back to Rochester to be with my girlfriend and take a much more interesting job. That's when I bought the TV I have now, and shortly after that came the PlayStation, and then it was all over. > Whenever I find myself uttering the phrase "I heard this on 'All > Things > Considered,'" I'm filled with self-loathing, but there's nothing else on > driving-home time radio in Houston to really listen to... That's what CD players are for! But I like NPR. It's what I wake up to, and it barely even registers before I turn off the alarm and swing out of bed. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 16:13:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: this might sound dodgy now On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, drew wrote: > > 13.The New Age(VU) > > I can't even imagine how this would sound sung by Robyn. > I've got to hear it. Yeow. Funny - I can almost hear him singing it in my head - it seems to fit him & his voice perfectly in many ways. > We had one in college but we only watched Mystery Science > Theater 3000 on it That's all you need, really. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::the popularity of the gruesome FACES OF DEATH video series is ::apparently so great that a children's version is in production, ::to be called FACES OF OWIES. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:26:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: a very good hair night indeed I'm still pinching myself all over (stop that!) because my very intense yet extremely brief jaunt to NYC seems very dreamlike at the moment. I spent Saturday at the Guggenheim and then on the train back to Boston. I spent today painting the ceiling and woodwork of our playroom while listening to I Often Dream of Trains, Respect, and a Star for Bram. I spent seven hours of Friday at the Bottom Line. Can the more talented of you write the review for this? I think I just had a shiteater's grin on my face the whole night from total pleasure and disbelief. The last thing I said to my friend Miriam (maybe she'll join the list, Kay) before the first set was "If he does Mexican God, I don't care what else he does." Then he opened with Mexican God. Gobsmack. Total faves for me were the opener, Heart Full of Leaves (even with the slight pause to listen to someone's fucking cell phone ring), Autumn is Your Last Chance, I Often Dream of Trains (yeah, I'm partial to that mostly solo venture - it's still probably my favorite album), Victorian Squid (with the lead-up speech, I was sure he would play it but I was still shocked when he did), and Raymond Chandler Evening. Of course I loved just about everything else as well. I will timidly say, however, that I prefer to hear Robyn sing Robyn than Robyn sing Dylan. I like Robyn better than Dylan. And it was wonderful being surrounded by so many people with whom I have corresponded for a year but had never met (with the exception of our lovely Ken Weingold, who managed to keep us all together - thank you Ken! He and I know each other through the Kinks). What a warm and welcoming group of people! And we even have a statue-impersonator named Max. He had the mikes for his recording under his shirt collar, so he couldn't move more than about a nanometer. I don't have that kind of self-control. And Kay, I know why you had a headache!!!!! So who is coming up for the RH/GLP movie debut in Woostahh? I'm supposed to be doing something that Saturday night, but I can probably wriggle out of it if people want to come and need somewhere to stay. Otherwise, I'll go either Friday or Sunday night. Thank you, all you wonderful fegs, for a night that made up for the fact that I spent my entire spring break locked in the house with my sick daughter. I now have faces to attach to e-mail addresses. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:28:08 EDT From: SIMON50@aol.com Subject: Largo Anyone have room for one (or possibly two) more at their table for Robyn at Largo? It's sold out except for standing room only. Post-35 legs have already started complaining. (I promise not to eat with my mouth open.) many thanks, John simon50@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:42:12 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Corrected NYC Setlists. Sorry all, Left Serpent of the first set list! Max Early Show 1.Mexican God 2.I Got The Hots 3.A Man Has Got To Know His Limitations Briggs 4.Serpent At The Gates Of Wisdom 5.Not Dark Yet (Dylan) 6.Heart Full Of Leaves 7.Linctus House 8.Dark Princess 9.Victorian Squid 10.Autumn Is Your Last Chance 11.I Often Dream Of Trains 12.(I don't know the title of this one something about "Le Cherite") 13. Graveyard Standing(Improv) 14.The New Age(VU) 15.One Long Pair Of Eyes Late Show 1.Sleeping With Your Devil Mask 2.Balloon Man 3.It's All Over Now Baby Blue 4.(I don't know this one, something about "you remind me of you") 5.The Wind Cries Mary 6.The Yip Song 7.Dark Princess 8.All That Money Wants (P. Furs) 9.My Mind Is Connected To Your Dreams 10.The Leopard 11.Bass 12.Raining Twilight Coast 13.Your Feelings Are The Last Thing To Die 14.The Queen Of Eyes 15.Linctus House (back by popular demand!) 16.Visions Of Johanna 17.Raymond Chandler Evening _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 01:18:58 -0700 From: The other Mr Feg Subject: SHOWZ - FOTOS! I'm so lazy about catching up with my digests that the start of the tour has caught me off balance. I had meant to remind everyone going to the Atlanta or New York shows to snap some pictures of their fellow Fegs! Arrrgghh too late! If someone did (Quail, lj?) please let me know and I'll follow up with you. If you don't know why I'm asking this, just take a look at http://www.njaz.com/fegfotos ...the idea is photos of *us* - not Robyn! With all the new faces on the list, I'm hoping that the number of pictured Fegs will top the 100 mark after this tour! (yay!) CHICAGO Who's still there? Didn't they all migrate to the left coast? Anyhow, if you go there and find Fegs ...photo them! :-) SEATTLE I'll be there!! Yes, I'll be doing the "Eddie thing" (in my own small way). (BTW, Eddie: It's the 21st, not the 20th ...I know 'cos have my ticket! ;-) ). I won't be able to get up there on Friday night, unfortunately. Sorry Cynthia - sounds like it could be fun. I'm hoping someone will organize a rendezvous on the big night. Please let me know. SAN FRANCISCO Mr Feg is ready to make a reservation at a cool new asian restaurant that's on the corner of Van Ness and O'Farrell - just a block from the GAMH (with validated parking in the lot under the building - a big deal in SF!). Please let me know, as soon as you can, if you want to join us there! The more the merrier! (At previous SF gigs, I've counted over 25 Fegs, so I'm hoping for a good turn out). LA-LARGO I was *thinking* of continuing my "Eddie thing" and driving down to that show too, but other commitments with probably prevent me. Oh well. I'm looking forward to seeing many of you over the next week or so ...and photos of all the others. ;-) ~Nick Who can't imagine why someone would *want* his girlfriend to get her tongue pierced. Perhaps it's just because I don't have any unnatural perforations, but the idea makes me a little queasy actually. I have a TV but haven't watched anything on it for months... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:06:06 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Re: Psyched At Friday, 12 April 2002, you wrote: >On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Brian wrote: > >> Now I just need to convince my girlfriend Venus to get her tongue >> pierced, which isn't too likely to happen. Rats! > >a name like "Venus" and she won't get pierced? you must be doin' sumpin' >wrong. > >;> Well, she does like to wear furs (mostly fake furs)! ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:47:47 -0400 From: Brian Subject: Star Cr*pping Over the weekend in Chicago, my friend Matt had an art show at the Jonathon Fluevog shoe shop Saturday night. After the show we went over across the street to the Double Door and proceeded to drink. After stepping in some disgusting half digested food, my friend pointed out that Billy Corgan was standing right behind us. I turned around and sure enough, there was Billy with 3 beautiful asian girls. All I could think was, 'now why can't that be Robyn Hithcock?' - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:58:35 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: re: sharon's dirty testicles, in a jar by the door I have to get this off my chest. Sharon is big fat sorry ass motherfucker. isreal is doomed and if the US falls or even studder steps as a result of it's support of the state of isreal, we deserve it. Luckily of course everything is temporary as all orbits are in constant decay and I hope to witness the fall of isreal in my lifetime. I know this is an awfully bold statement which carries all sorts of baggage but now more than ever I believe the destruction of isreal, as we know it today, is essential for world order. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 16:33:17 +0100 From: "matt sewell" Subject: re: sharon's dirty testicles, in a jar by the door I have to say I instinctively agree with you there, Greg - I find it almost impossible to watch or read the news at the moment as it sends my blood pressure up to an enormous degree. Sharon is a war criminal, full-stop. He is guilty of massacring women and children and it certainly looks like age has not mellowed his taste for mass murder - I fear for the people of the West Bank as it looks like hundreds if not thousands have been slaughtered. Also I find it utterly distasteful that Israeli politicians are constantly saying things like "this is our own Twin Towers" - not to say that the suicide bombings aren't utterly horrific and fighting extremism with yet more extremism, but using the quote as a justification to occupy the West Bank and let's face it, kill anyone who *looks* like a terrorist ("he was of Middle-Eastern extraction!) is just sick. I think that none of the Western states are doing anything to help - the US is backing Israel pretty much, although I hope that Israel's defiance in the face of US calls to pull out of the WB forces the government's hand - but it's not simply a case of blaming America (worldwide a popular stance to take) as the EU, as much as it condemns and wrings its hands, is not doing anything to give teeth to their condemnation (ie. sanctions). That said I wish Colin Powell every success in brokering a cease fire... It's horrific though - at the risk of making a tasteless statement, it seems ironic to me that Jewish people, having been through the horrors of the holocaust are now simply handing out the same treatment to the Palestinians (it seems to me that Sharon will not be happy until the Palestinians are totally cowed/wiped out). I do believe, however, that the Jews are entitled to a state, if for no other reason that they're already there. I don't believe it should be expansionist (eg. illegal settlements, right of return). Similarly I believe the same for a State of Palestine. The only way to stop the killing is for Israel to pull out of the WB, for a Palestinian police force to be rebuilt, a state of Palestine to be created fairly... *Phew!* rant over... Nice to be agreeing with you Greg (if a somewhat qualified agreement) - makes a nice change! ;0) Cheers Matt >From: gSs >Reply-To: gSs >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: re: sharon's dirty testicles, in a jar by the door >Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:58:35 - -0500 (CDT) > >I have to get this off my chest. Sharon is big fat sorry ass motherfucker. >isreal is doomed and if the US falls or even studder steps as a result of >it's support of the state of isreal, we deserve it. Luckily of course >everything is temporary as all orbits are in constant decay and I hope to >witness the fall of isreal in my lifetime. I know this is an awfully >bold statement which carries all sorts of baggage but now more than ever >I believe the destruction of isreal, as we know it today, is essential for >world order. > >gSs - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:02:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: Facial Hair Line TV (was: this might sound dodgy now) > > From: > > > > I went without a TV for about a year and a half -- when I moved into > > my first apartment for grad school. Same for me, except for only a year, after which I got a small color set, turned it on, and suddenly I was watching Star Trek TNG and Riker had a beard and the writing was so much better than in the first season that I kept watching TV just for STTNG. It turned out to be a gateway show. Sigh... Kay wrote: >His monobrow was indubebly dual. I noticed this too, and was somewhat curious about how long it has been bifurcated. Did he shave the junction, pluck it, or did it leave on its own accord? I guess I really don't want to know. On non facial hair-related issues, it was nice meeting so many fegs that were new to me at the Bottom Line shows, namely Tim, Ben, Melissa, Kay, Jill and the inscrutable Mr. Weingold. And Chris Gross' new haircut made it seem as though I was meeting him again for the first time. Thanks to Scary Mary for acting as official feg-greeter, even though I was the only one who showed up, not having been lost in that mysterious highway 95/195 junction like some others. And of course thanks to Quail, lj, and Loki for providing crash space. Cheers, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:14:36 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Being Shelled A simple response to GSS: I don't see a call for the fall of Israel as a tenable solution, morally, politically, or strategically. Let me explain my view. As Capuchin once stated, there is no History Reset Button. The road to peace is littered with missed opportunities and broken promises, and at some point, you just have to start with what you have rather than live in the past or point fingers. Also, Sharon and Arafat are terrible, horrible men that will not enact positive change on their own. Predicated upon these facts, I think that there is a solution, but it involves both wiping the slate clean and bringing to bear the full force of American "diplomacy." (Perhaps read "coercion?") I think the US must take a very, very hard line. Using intense financial pressure, we demand that Israel obeys the UN mandates in the Gaza Strip and West Bank, producing a plan for full withdrawal and Palestine autonomy within five years. In return, we insist that the Arab League stands by its latest offer and works out a plan for normalized relations with such an Israeli state. They must accept and recognize Israel, as, of course, the Zionists must abandon the dream for Greater Israel. Although it is against our nature as a Capitalist state, I am sure we can find the wherewithal to bring some financial pressure upon them as well, considering we are such wonderful clients for their oil. We also have more positive elements to offer, including the lifting of sanctions on Iraq and other concessions to normalize our own relationships in the region. During this time, negotiations are made regarding the untenable Arab desire for "right of return," which must eventually be seen as a concession point. Also, the Golan Heights issue must be settled with Syria. (As if it would be that easy, but still, the issue with Golan Heights is quite different than Gaza or the West Bank, and Syria is not exactly the lily in the valley.) I believe that this is the only solution that will work within our immediate time-frame. The Arab world will essentially situate Arafat in a position where he must act constructively or be replaced. The moderate Palestinian leadership must be allowed to develop a state. Israel must move from maintaining an occupying army to maintaining a defensive one. Will this immediately halt the suicide bombings? No -- because the Hamas have not grounded themselves in a workable reality. By fanatically demanding that Israel ceases to exist, they have removed themselves from reality into the realm of dangerous fantasy. Of course there will be more bombings. However, once Palestine is an autonomous state, you will have removed much of the breeding grounds for this sort of large-scale nihilism, the product of generations of abuse and poverty married to a fanatical religious ideology. Over a generation, hopefully the Hamas will have fallen apart or mutated into something less severe and pernicious. And in the short term, the Hamas may be recontextualized as simple murderers and psychopaths rather than martyrs, guerrillas, or even political terrorists. Palestine as a sovereign nation must accept responsibility for these people -- as a series of quasi-occupied refugee camps and shattered cities, they can all too easily just wring their hands as the Israeli tanks produce more and more spite. What better a solution than to work as two partner nations to jointly control this disease? I know my ideas are an idealistic solution, and one that will be fraught with bumps and moments of agony. But they still seem to me a solution, and after all: what else is to be done? What else may be done that does not keep this vicious cycle grinding more and more lives out of existence? - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:36:57 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: Me and TV: a love/hate relationship >I knew what you were talking about, and it's usually said with the >same >kind of gleeful self-congratulatory condescension as "I was >listening to >NPR on the way to work this morning, and..." Egad! Are you accusing me of being an NPR-listener? Fuck National Propaganda Radio! Corporate-sponsored, micro-radio-trashing emissaries of Satan!! (Sorry, I'm having a bad morning.) As James sings, I used to own a TV, and I sold it in January of 2000, because I didn't feel like hauling a huge bulky 19-inch set when I moved to Portland. Also, I didn't want to pay for cable anymore. I can't say I've never regretted it, but on the other hand, I miss it a lot less than I thought I would. I understand the Quail's points about television. But along with quality programs, television spews an enormous, colossal amount of pure shit, most of which I found myself watching when I had other things to do (like getting exercise, reading books, writing, running errands, playing my guitar, etc.). I remember when I turned on the TV at midnight on Sunday to see if "120 Minutes" was on. It had been cancelled, but instead they were showing that half-hour soap opera thingie... can't remember the name of it, but I ended up watching it for hours because I wanted to find out what happened next. And it was total trash, and I'll never get those hours back. I also kept noticing the way I and other people planned their lives around TV shows. "Oh, I can't talk to you right now, 'The Simpsons' is on." "Oh, we have to get back from dinner in time for 'Buffy.'" I really hated doing this. I simply ran out of energy in terms of maintaining an alleigance to a show. I didn't feel like making the effort to watch "The X-Files" every single Sunday (or tape it). Same with "The Simpsons." The one show I clung to passionately was "Babylon 5." As for the rest, I couldn't be bothered. I suspect that one of the main reasons I ended up selling my TV was because "Babylon 5" had ended. I do feel a bit out of touch now. My main source of news is gone - and I was reminded of that during the days after September 11, when I spent all my time in my hotel room watching TV, gleaning information from the propaganda, something I could have never done at home. (Maybe getting stranded wasn't so bad!) I miss "Futurama" (though not "The Simpsons" so much, it's gone way downhill), "Buffy" sounds like a hoot, there's other shows I'd like to see. But my main problem is not being able to watch videos. I actually do have a VCR, still, and there's soooo many movies I want to see - not just "Rushmore." So that's why I'm thinking of buying a TV. I shall probably get a used one at Goodwill. But I almost certainly will not get cable. I don't have the time. "And we're not only proud of that, we're smug about it." - - Michael Palin n. p.s. Review of the Shins show forthcoming. Yes, they were cute. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:49:14 -0700 From: "Cynthia Peterson" Subject: Soft Boys circa 2001 I don't remember seeing this before, even though it was recorded by Yahoo over a year ago at SXSW. The interview segments are great, but the two live performances (Sudden Town and He's a Reptile) are kindof awkward. A nice refresher, all the same, as we look forward to autumn... http://www.broadcast.com/Entertainment_and_Arts/Music/Interviews/SXSW_20 01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:52:58 +0200 From: "noe shalev" Subject: Re: sharon's dirty testicles, in a jar by the door - ----- Original Message ----- From: "gSs" To: Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: re: sharon's dirty testicles, in a jar by the door > I have to get this off my chest. Sharon is big fat sorry ass motherfucker. > isreal is doomed and if the US falls or even studder steps as a result of > it's support of the state of isreal, we deserve it. Luckily of course > everything is temporary as all orbits are in constant decay and I hope to > witness the fall of isreal in my lifetime. I know this is an awfully > bold statement which carries all sorts of baggage but now more than ever > I believe the destruction of isreal, as we know it today, is essential for > world order. > > gSs > And this comes from A US citizen? hellllloo?! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #118 ********************************