From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #116 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, April 13 2002 Volume 11 : Number 116 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Chicago Roll Call ["Mike Wells" ] RE:I used to have a brain + ["SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Sonoma,ex1)" ] tv eye [drew ] RE: New York Feg of Mind ["Ryer, Judy (Cahners -NYC)" ] Re: New York Feg of Mind [Ken Weingold ] In Defense of Television [The Great Quail ] Re: Chicago Roll Call [CPPetunia@aol.com] Re: Psyched [dmw ] Re: I used to have a TV [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: I used to have a TV [Terrence Marks ] Re: "Hidden track, hidden track, I'm under house arrest....." ["da9ve st] I've just been listening to... [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: I've just been listening to... [Miles Goosens ] Bottom Line. ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: I've just been listening to... [Sebastian Hagedorn ] road trip ["Marc Holden" ] bottom line ["Mike Hooker" ] More Bottom Line. ["Maximilian Lang" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:26:51 -0500 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Chicago Roll Call Okay, hands up everyone who wants to try and hook up for the Chicago show next Tuesday night. I'll be hustling up to the venue after work (coming from way South), though I hope to be in the neighborhood by 6:00 because: I talked to the Park West and they said the DOORS WILL OPEN AT 6:00 PM - which seems unusual as the show's not until 7:30. Probably trying to sell drinks, would be my guess. I'll probably go straight into the venue if that's in fact the case. The Park West is at 322 W. Armitage, between Lincoln and Clark. I'll toss out a recommendation that early comers meet at Stanley's Tap + Grill, which IIRC is about a block away at the corner of Sedgewick and Lincoln. If the doors aren't actually open I'll go there instead. For out of towners, this is one of the few North side venues with tons of parking - there's at least three garages nearby ranging from $10 - $20. And you can always hunt the street, though I don't know the regulations for that particular neighborhood. And the Lincoln Park Pirates still exist. Carissa has suggested silly hats as a feg recognition tool. I'll try to find something appropriate, yet not too obstructive. I'll recoginize Dolph right off, if you're looking for me I'm about 6'3", 220 lbs with a shaved head and leather jacket. If you want to email me, try this addy on weekdays or over the weekend at braneout@earthlink.net Looking forward to the reports from tonight - Michael "one long pair of thighs" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:51:00 -0600 From: "SIMPSON,HAMISH (A-Sonoma,ex1)" Subject: RE:I used to have a brain + > The thing about serial killers is, a) the theme is soooo over-used now that > I don't find it scary at all and b) we are almost inevitably invited to > thrill to the sight of a man stalking and brutally murdering or torturing > helpless screaming women. I find this disturbing and off-putting. I'm not a horror/gore/violence fan normally but I liked Millenium. Frank Black was not some gun toting, perv killer. He was always very sombre and disturbed about the whole thing. In a lot of ways he sympathised with the killer, seeing them perhaps as more of a result rather than a cause, or at least understanding the pointlessness of wiping out the individuals! They also kind of implied violence more than actually showed it I thought. At least you tended not to see long close up images. Unfortunately my opinion is based only on series one, being the only one they showed on regular UK TV, albeit they split it in two to give an impression of two series! Maybe they'll rerun it in the US??????? Stewart sed > Well, I'm back, Big ups to my home boy Stooie. Yo, yo, yo and a bottle o' Buckie! Found a peh shop yet? Matt sed > These are some actual comments from the Queen Mothers condolence book... > veh funny, and after all, it *is* Friday... Oh dear! I laughed quite loudly and yet felt terribly ashamed at the same time. (H) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:19:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: CD Repair Kits > From: "Brian Hoare" > > Has anyone on the list tried any of these kits. I have a few discs with > minor looking but skip producing scratches which I would like to sort out. I use and recommend Mapleshade's MikroSmooth CD polisher: This thread at audioasylum.com will give you plenty of info about toothpaste, car wax, and CD-polishing devices: Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:42:32 -0700 From: drew Subject: tv eye > From: "Natalie Jane" > >>> From: "Natalie Jane" >>> Subject: I used to have a TV >> >> I hate people who say things like this. > > Why? I used to have a TV. It's a fact. I've been without one for more > than two years, but I'm thinking of buying one now so I can watch > "Rushmore" > on video (and for no other reason). I don't think being able to watch _Rushmore_ on video is worth $30, let alone $300, but you probably already have your own opinion on the matter. I was disappointed, personally. Anyway, I was really referring to a pet peeve of mine, which is people who brag about "not even owning a TV" as if it's some heroic intellectual victory on their part. I didn't seriously imagine you were doing that (though maybe you were). Of course, as I said, this is somewhat hypocritical since I myself almost never watch TV for many of the same reasons, but I don't think I get to brag since I do use my TV quite frequently in conjunction with my PlayStation, for video games and DVDs. I just don't watch what comes through my cable, that's all. > The thing about serial killers is, a) the theme is soooo over-used now > that > I don't find it scary at all and b) we are almost inevitably invited to > thrill to the sight of a man stalking and brutally murdering or > torturing > helpless screaming women. I find this disturbing and off-putting. It never really fails to scare me, and I never feel invited or able to thrill to that sight. Maybe it's just me. But just because it never loses its edge for me doesn't mean I want to see it -- just the opposite, frankly. > From: Sebastian Hagedorn > Subject: Re: Surfacing in Canada Not the Margaret Atwood novel, I hope! Drew - -- http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:07:57 -0400 From: "Ryer, Judy (Cahners -NYC)" Subject: RE: New York Feg of Mind There is a chance I may bag out of the show tonight guys. I am not feeling up to it all right now. I will see how I feel later and keep you posted...But if I do show Ken the table your friend held is fine with me. I like the idea of not have to worry about a seat. Jude - -----Original Message----- From: mary [mailto:mad@loona.net] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:57 AM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Cc: jryer@trendwatchgraphicarts.com Subject: Re: New York Feg of Mind Since I work from home folks are more than welcome to drop off their gear at my place. I'm leaving between 5:15 and 5:30 to meet up with everyone at Dojo. Let me know if you need a place for your gear and I'll send you my address. I'll be home all day, except for the occasional dog walk. s.Mary np - nothing! The ringing in my ears from Tuesday's Guided By Voices show has finally stopped. >I plan on being at Dojo around 6pm -- it's literally across the street >from the Bottom Line. > >To those coming in for the show and staying with me & LJ -- I will be >going right from work to the venue, and LJ will be at school all >afternoon, leaving right to the restaurant. Consequently, I am not >entirely sure what to tell you about stowing your stuff, unless you are >coming in early.... Any suggestions? > >And Ken -- as much as I appreciate your friend reserving a table, I would >really dig sitting up front again, at the long tables, than in the rear. >Can that be arranged? > >Sorry if this sounds terse, I need coffee. Badly. > >--Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 14:38:20 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: stay glued to your tv set At 11:42 AM 4/12/2002 -0700, drew wrote: >Anyway, I was really referring to a pet peeve of mine, which is >people who brag about "not even owning a TV" as if it's some >heroic intellectual victory on their part. I didn't seriously imagine >you were doing that (though maybe you were). I knew what you were talking about, and it's usually said with the same kind of gleeful self-congratulatory condescension as "I was listening to NPR on the way to work this morning, and..." In fact, both of these deathless phrases are often uttered by the same people. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:34:37 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: New York Feg of Mind On Fri, Apr 12, 2002, mary wrote: > I remember the last trip from NY to Brooklyn with Woj at the wheel (Robyn > at the Mercury Lounge, several years ago). This time I don't want to be the > one that has to lie across everyone in the back seat! I elect Ken for that > position. I can just fit in the hatch area. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 17:10:52 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: In Defense of Television I agree with Miles. Indeed, I have always wondered how someone can *not* own a TV. And I mean this from a position of critical intelligence, too, not just as a slave to the glass teat or a PlayStation 2 addict. The trick is not to adopt some totalitarian idea of "kill your television," or to repudiate it completely, but to make judicious use of it. Of course many people abuse it, and of course TV is used to manipulate people politically and commercially - -- but the same can be said of any art form. (Except maybe macrame, which is admittedly less pervasive than television.) Basically, I think that TV is a vital keystone to modern Western culture, especially American culture, and to ignore it is to willingly remove oneself from the mainspring of popular discourse. In terms of pop culture, television is one of the main vectors of communication between the masses. Like the notion or despise it, TV assists in forging a national community and a sense of identity. Even simply knowing the plots of "Gilligan's Island," having public icons available like the Bradies, or being able to discuss last night's "Sopranos" or "Buffy" at work -- it's all part of a common language, and contributes to our collective sense of humor, tragedy, and so on.... It's a lot like a low-grade mythology. Also, historically and politically speaking, TV brings us images, opinions, news, and information. Of course, much of this is propaganda -- which has its uses also, of course, for both sides; and journalism should always be viewed critically anyway. But the images that the world shares on TV have also been instrumental in bringing about hightened awareness and social change -- whether it's broadcasting civil rights marches, covering political debates and speeches, or revealing conditions in global trouble spots (the British were stunned when TV brought images of Bloody Sunday to the world; and just think of the situation in Israel/Palestine right now.) Even gay rights have been advanced through "entertainment" shows, from "Soap" to "Will and Grace" to "Buffy." Additionally, TV brings us events of true culture, as well as works of cinematic art. From "Live at the Met" broadcasts to Turner Movie Classics to renting videos and DVDs, a television when used for edification may be a wonderful teacher, muse, and inspiration. And of course -- what about The Simpsons? - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:13:51 -0400 From: CPPetunia@aol.com Subject: Re: Chicago Roll Call Dolph, Thanks for the offer to crash. Do you know that I will have an Anne with me? I think there is still an extra ticket in the mix. Paula was going to come too, but then changed her mind. Hats!!! crowns? rainhats? bike helmets? OR CAPES! magic wands? car ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:15:22 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Psyched On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Brian wrote: > Now I just need to convince my girlfriend Venus to get her tongue > pierced, which isn't too likely to happen. Rats! a name like "Venus" and she won't get pierced? you must be doin' sumpin' wrong. ;> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:11:25 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: I used to have a TV >> > From: "Natalie Jane" >> > Subject: I used to have a TV >> >>I hate people who say things like this. >Why? I used to have a TV. It's a fact. to the tune of... ah, never mind... I used to have a TV And it was really true I think that it was colour A funny shade of blue I used to have a TV I watched it in the day But later on I sold it Now I've more time to play But my eyes aren't so square any more No my eyes aren't as square any more Cause it just isn't there any more And I've lost my illusions about it now I used to have a TV I'd watch it till I bled What I really needed Was something else instead But I was reluctant To get rid of my screen Now I understand it I'm better than I've been And my brain isn't dead any more No my brain isn't dead any more Cause it's back in my head ever more And I've lost my illusions about it now And now if I come visit And you have the TV on I wonder what's that object Now my set has gone Although I kind of like it I'll never really know Why I got so excited At all those crappy shows But my eyes aren't so square any more No my eyes aren't as square any more Cause it just isn't there any more And I've lost my illusions about it now >>That wouldn't be gnat the feg, and not a gnat at all, actually, but a >>rather small bird. > >I actually *am* a rather small bird. Didn't you know? > so let's see. We have a small bird, a great quail, a white rabbit, and a rubber shark. We used to have a human mellotron, but he transmogrified himself (sounds too painful for words). Jame James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:22:38 -0400 From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: I used to have a TV James Dignan wrote: > so let's see. We have a small bird, a great quail, a white rabbit, and a > rubber shark. We used to have a human mellotron, but he transmogrified > himself (sounds too painful for words). Just decided not to have a silly nickname. Now I do phone tech support and I'm known as Eric, Clarence, Lawrence, Barry, Darrin, Taren and/or Gary. But I still have an easier time of it than Lubotes or Jo-D do. - -- Terrence Marks http://www.unlikeminerva.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:52:52 -0700 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: Re: "Hidden track, hidden track, I'm under house arrest....." I KNOW I've seen a page somwhere with a big listing of Track 0 discs, but I can't seem to find the magical search terms to stick in Google or Altavista to find it again. I DID find a different such list, though it includes other types of hidden tracks as well. http://www.angelfire.com/ca/pugaroo/ht.html I'll keep lookin' and report back if I find the list I saw before. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:27:50 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: I've just been listening to... ...I often Dream of trains, for the first time in too long. How come y'all forgot to remind me how great this album is? And, in among the well-known joys of the title track, Trams of Old London, My Favourite Buildings, Flavour of Night and the oh-for-a-Roger-McGuinn-version Sleeping Knights of Jesus, are those songs that NO-ONE EVER MENTIONS. To put the balance a little closer to right, I want it stated here and now that I love: Cathedral, Winter love, This could be the day, and Autumn is your last chance. Why are they never talked about??? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:49:55 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: I've just been listening to... At 12:27 PM 4/13/2002 +1200, James Dignan wrote: >...I often Dream of trains, for the first time in too long. > >How come y'all forgot to remind me how great this album is? And, in among >the well-known joys of the title track, Trams of Old London, My Favourite >Buildings, Flavour of Night and the oh-for-a-Roger-McGuinn-version Sleeping >Knights of Jesus, are those songs that NO-ONE EVER MENTIONS. To put the >balance a little closer to right, I want it stated here and now that I >love: Cathedral, Winter love, This could be the day, and Autumn is your >last chance. Why are they never talked about??? I wouldn't mention "Winter Love" (or "My Favourite Buildings") in the context of IODOT because they're not part of the original album, even though they've been smack in the middle of it since the original late '80s UK CD. I love "Cathedral" and "This Could Be the Day," and both have been on my Robyn introductory tape (time to move it to a double CD-R, I guess) for years. I think we've talked about "Autumn Is Your Last Chance" a lot in the past, but since I've been here since 1994 or so, there's no telling how long ago we last had a discussion of it... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:17:25 -0500 From: steve Subject: 667 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/24840.html - - Steve __________ Maybe in the Scalia household they make you pee into a cup just for being alive. - Dahlia Lithwick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 03:14:59 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Bottom Line. Shows were great. Very tired. hour and a half drive home. Details later. Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:42:48 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: I've just been listening to... - -- James Dignan is rumored to have mumbled on Samstag, 13. April 2002 12:27 Uhr +1200 regarding I've just been listening to...: > I want it stated here and now that I > love: Cathedral, Winter love, This could be the day, and Autumn is your > last chance. Why are they never talked about??? Maybe because they are my favorite songs as well? Well, I'd pick IODOT instead of This could be the day.. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Winter is coming." (George R. R. Martin, A Song of Ice and Fire) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 04:55:22 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: 667 On Fri, Apr 12, 2002, steve wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/24840.html Isn't 668 the Neighbor of the Beast? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 03:09:10 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: road trip >Meanwhile I will just sit here in Buffalo being >jealous that everyone else seems to be seeing Robyn. Learn to drive and quit whining... Robyn hasn't played the Phoenix area since 1994, and still I've seen him/the Soft Boys over 20 times since then--it's about 400 miles to the LA area. Take a clue from Jill and take a train or hop on a bus, and quit your k'vetching. Later, Marc np--Robyn Sings (trouser disc) I would like to apologize to purchasers of the executive version of this mailing list for the peremptory nature of that announcement. The brusque tone was intended for buyers of the cheaper version (and fortified by a bit of fairly good tequila). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:46:38 -0400 From: "Mike Hooker" Subject: bottom line hi, here at work on 3 hrs sleep, and i'm still stoked from last nites NYC gigs. i ve seen a fair amount of robyn gigs, and last nite heard quite a few songs i've never seen performed live, and a few others i seen him do once. great gigs, awesome vibe, a seemingly very happy robyn. my only beef( a teeny tiny one) is he didnt do an electric ripper like i am not me, or freeze. i made two DAT's of the gig. i listened to one already, i think they may be the best sounding boots i ever made, better than my 1999 bowery ballroom discs.maybe due to my recent invesment in too expensive mics, maybe due to the good sounding room, or both. the only hitch was the spare batteries for my recorder got lost in my car, and the batteries croaked during the second show's raining twlight coast. luckily , gary assasin had his dig camera, i glommed the batteries and only missed maybe one minute. blame the howard fishman quartet , i wasted about 10 min of battery time taping them in the first show, hoping they would actually be good. they werent. gotta have suspicions about a quartet with five guys in it. the gigs are for trade, so contact me off list if interested. take at look at my music trading list ( new URL) http://hometown.aol.com/mhooker216/myhomepage/index.html have fun, Mike Hooker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:33:10 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: More Bottom Line. First off, made great time on the way up to NYC, great parking space too. We were one block from the Bottom Line...un-metered! Anyhow, some of us met up at Dojo, can't say as though I cared for the food, just didn't match the company. We had to rush for one reason or another so we didn't stay at the restaurant for very long. Thanks to Ken G. we all sat together. It was great to meet the other Feg(Fegs?) in attendance. I wish I had time to meet everyone but so many people so little time. The shows were really great, although I thought the second set to be a tad too mellow. I liked the A Mans Got To Know His Limitations Briggs introduction better than I liked the song. Deni Benet was in attendance but did not play. Also, to my surprise Britta Phillips of Luna ( www.brittaphillips.com , www.fuzzywuzzy.com ) was in the audience. Luna was my last concert prior to this...just odd. I will leave the set list to others, or if one does not turn up I will type it out. I also recorded the show, as did a few others. I am transferring it to cdr now and hope to have it all set for trade or whatever in a few days. See you all in the fall, multiple times (I hope)! Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #116 ********************************