From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #110 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, April 8 2002 Volume 11 : Number 110 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Brad Dourif [] downward, heavenward [drew ] Re: downward, heavenward [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: downward, heavenward [Christopher Gross ] Re: downward, heavenward ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: downward, heavenward [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Who is Grima Wormtongue? [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Who is Grima Wormtongue? ["Michael Wells" ] Re: robyn the cradle [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: downward, heavenward [steve ] going to Atlanta (no RH) [Ben Nicastro ] RH in Atlanta [" FS Thomas" ] Re: going to Atlanta (no RH) [" FS Thomas" ] Re: going to Atlanta (no RH) ["Michael Wells" ] Re: downward, heavenward [steve ] Secret Cupboards (NR) [steve ] Re: downward, heavenward [Steve Talkowski ] NYC In-store appearance? [Steve Talkowski ] Re: NYC In-store appearance? ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: NYC In-store appearance? [" FS Thomas" ] Re: downward, heavenward [Jason Thornton ] Re: downward, heavenward [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 07:07:01 -0000 From: Subject: Brad Dourif drew sd: <> My friend the high-school heroin addict listed _Alien Resurrection_ as one of his favorite films. This is from a guy who also used to sneak out to the football stadium during lunch, sit in one of the giant light-towers with Alec Brown, and inhale Freon straight out of the canister until they lost consciousness. (It has the opposite effect from helium on the speech centers of the brain, also.) Not an environment-friendly high, exactly. Well, there's another vote for you... :) Joshing aside, anything that Jeunet has had a hand in I'm sure is well worth looking at, but I can't stomach gore (or Gore, or esp. Bush) very well...which is why I haven't seen it yet...well, that, and source of the ringing endorsement I mentioned above. Maybe one of these days...I'm not gonna comment on your not having seen _Blue Velvet_...except hie yourself to a video store, promptly, promptly. Marshall np Eric B & Rakim, _Paid in Full_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 01:35:40 -0800 From: drew Subject: downward, heavenward > From: Christopher Gross > > when I heard Depeche Mode's "Personal Jesus" and misheard "reach out and > touch me" as "reach out and touch FAITH." Wouldn't I like to! I thought that _was_ the lyric! ["Wrecked"] > Reagan credited as a script consultant. But aside from that, the whole > episode just seemed kinda flat. Too few good jokes, too little > character For me, the key line in the whole episode was Dawn's comment, "It's like a meat party in my mouth! ...okay, I know I'm just a kid, but even I know that came out wrong." Yes -- that line was wrong in so many ways I can't even count them. I'll assume it is not typical of the series. > Note to Drew: I liked (though not loved) Alien Resurrection, Yeah, same here, really. There's no question that the first two were the best, and the second two, though much better than they're usually given credit for, were inferior in key ways. > and I agree > with you about Brad Dourif in Dune. Lynch's take on Mentats was so rich and well-conceived. There was more imagination and depth in that one element than in the entirety of that Sci-Fi Channel miscarriage (not to reopen old threads). Music thread: we all weighed in on the Strokes. Do y'all have any thoughts on that other still-superhyped rock 'n' roll band, the White Stripes? I still haven't made up my mind, but I'm thinking of picking up the album from Tower for $9.99 anyway. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 03:54:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: downward, heavenward drew wrote: > From: Christopher Gross >> when I heard Depeche Mode's "Personal Jesus" and misheard "reach >> out and touch me" as "reach out and touch FAITH." Wouldn't I like >> to! > > I thought that _was_ the lyric! it is, though Senor Gross is hardly alone in mis-hearing it as "Me". > Music thread: we all weighed in on the Strokes. Do y'all have any > thoughts on that other still-superhyped rock 'n' roll band, the > White Stripes? I still haven't made up my mind, but I'm thinking of > picking up the album from Tower for $9.99 anyway. I thought it was really tedious and annoying, especially the guitars. I seem to remember several people raving about it. ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:50:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: downward, heavenward On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > drew wrote: > > From: Christopher Gross > >> when I heard Depeche Mode's "Personal Jesus" and misheard "reach > >> out and touch me" as "reach out and touch FAITH." Wouldn't I like > >> to! > > > > I thought that _was_ the lyric! > > it is, though Senor Gross is hardly alone in mis-hearing it as "Me". Hmph! Outsmarted myself again. I too had always thought it was "faith," and I wrote it that way at first. Then I thought I should double-check. I didn't want to embarrass myself in front of the Fegs, after all. So I went to a lyrics website, and they said the lyric was "me." Now that I'm at home I can look in the CD insert and see that it is, indeed, "faith," as Drew and Jeff said. The moral here is, always trust your first instincts. Or maybe, never trust the Internet. - --Chris "And don't call me senor! I'm not a Spanish person." --Biggles ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 12:23:40 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: downward, heavenward >From: drew > >Music thread: we all weighed in on the Strokes. Do y'all have any >thoughts on that other still-superhyped rock 'n' roll band, the >White Stripes? I still haven't made up my mind, but I'm thinking of >picking up the album from Tower for $9.99 anyway. > >Drew I love this band or duo I should say. From all accounts I have heard they are one of the best live shows around. I wanted to see them at The Trocadero in Philadelphia but it sold out quickly. The British press started a rumor that they are not brother and sister but ex husband and wife, not true. They have a shabby white blues appeal. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 13:04:15 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: downward, heavenward Hello fellow maniax, Just joined the mailing list and thought I'd pipe in. I'm in NYC and was pleased to find out that Robyn will be at The Bottom Line this Friday! I saw him there 2 years ago and the also caught him with The Soft Boys at Irving Plaza last March (a truly amazing show). I always have a hard time deciding which of the two performances to attend - I chose the early (7:30pm) show. What's the general concensus here? >> Note to Drew: I liked (though not loved) Alien Resurrection, > > Yeah, same here, really. There's no question that the first two were > the best, and the second two, though much better than they're usually > given credit for, were inferior in key ways. Nice to hear positive talk about a film I worked on a few years ago. I'm a computer animator and was the lead rigger and animator for the fourth installment. We completed 20 shots for the film and my specific shots were when you first see the Alien swimming underwater and the sequence where he jumps out of the water and onto the ladder climbing up. I'm curious to hear how many of you have seen our new computer generated feature "Ice Age" and what your opinions were. > Music thread: we all weighed in on the Strokes. Do y'all have any > thoughts on that other still-superhyped rock 'n' roll band, the > White Stripes? I've only just recently stumbled upon them when I discovered the incredibly cool, animated LEGO video for "Fell In Love With A Girl": http://www.boardsmag.com/screeningroom/musicvideos/220/ How is the new Robyn 2-disc CD by the way? I'm hoping it'll be available for purchase at his show this week. I'm first and foremost an Elvis Costello fanatic (very active member on COSTELLO-L) , and Robyn is a close 2nd (with XTC and Julian Cope extremely close by). I'm looking forward to learning more about Robyn from his true fanbase and interacting with new, fellow enthusiasts! - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 20:19:10 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Who is Grima Wormtongue? On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > When we first meet him, Grima Wormtongue is the chief advisor to Theoden, > the King of Rohan. He's secretly in the employ of Saruman, and gets holed > up with him in Orthanc, as well as following Saruman into subsequent > misadventures in the West... There is a strong indication in the final volume that he actually _ate_ one of the Sackville-Bagginses - Lotho Pimple IIRC - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:25:12 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: Who is Grima Wormtongue? Godwin recalls: > There is a strong indication in the final volume that he actually _ate_ > one of the Sackville-Bagginses - Lotho Pimple IIRC You do. I always thought this was a tasty (sorry) little morsel thrown in by JRRT at the end...corruption eating at itself (sorry), at a less capital but more familiar level to the hobbits. You might say Lotho got his just desserts (very, very sorry). Michael "you can't prove a thing" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 18:56:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: robyn the cradle On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, drew wrote: > > than they should have been, and boys dancing in cages in their undies? > > Whoa! I think I might want to see this episode. I'll state for the > record that seeing "Spike" in various stages of undress does > absolutely nothing for me, however. Ek. As sheerest speculation, I'll say that those who are intrigued by boys dancing in their undies will find little to interest them in this episode - - only a couple of seconds' worth, at a middle distance. No slomo closeups or anything... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::crumple zones:::::harmful or fatal if swallowed:::::small-craft warning:: np: Crooked Fingers _Bring on the Snakes_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 20:25:56 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: downward, heavenward >> Note to Drew: I liked (though not loved) Alien Resurrection, On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 04:35 AM, drew wrote: > Yeah, same here, really. There's no question that the first two were > the best, and the second two, though much better than they're usually > given credit for, were inferior in key ways. I've read that they're after Cameron to direct Aliens 5, and he's free after this season's final Dark Angel episode. - - Steve __________ Misadvised by a frustrated and panic-stricken attorney general, a president of the United States has just assumed what amounts to dictatorial power to jail or execute aliens. - William Safire ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 18:30:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Nicastro Subject: going to Atlanta (no RH) I am going to Atlanta from NC tomorrow afternoon for the show, anyone have suggestions of things to do, places to eat, etc. before the show? - - Ben Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:41:39 -0400 From: " FS Thomas" Subject: RH in Atlanta From a second-hand source (my girlfriend) who attended the in-store at Criminal Records in Atlanta: Robyn showed up late at the record shop because of going to the wrong shop. He allegedly went to Wax and Trax. He didn't have any new CDs at the show, though he said they would be at the show. The set: - -------- Sleeping with Your Devil's Mask I Got the Hots - -Unknown Dylan tune- Heliotrope It was very good and very entertaining... He didn't know where the venue for the next night was exactly and the fact that it's four miles away got the response, "that's a continent away in England. If you book a gig that far away you've got to get a hotel room across the street." That's basically all the news: I know there's more but it just slips my mind now. - -ferris. If the fellow with the short dark hair in the plaid shirt who recorded the set please step forward... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:45:32 -0400 From: " FS Thomas" Subject: Re: going to Atlanta (no RH) Smith's is an island unto itself, though you're not that far from Midtown or Virginia Highlands. Best recommendation: south on Piedmont from the club at the corner of 14th is a place called the Prince of Wales that's good for a beer and a touch of food. Agnes and Muriel's on Memorial Drive (?) around the corner from the club is a good restaurant but the clientele can be a bit haughty. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Nicastro" To: Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: going to Atlanta (no RH) > I am going to Atlanta from NC tomorrow afternoon for > the show, anyone have suggestions of things to do, > places to eat, etc. before the show? > > > > - Ben > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 20:54:42 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: going to Atlanta (no RH) > I am going to Atlanta from NC tomorrow afternoon for > the show, anyone have suggestions of things to do, > places to eat, etc. before the show? If you care for capitols, the Old Capitol building itself is rather nice. There's plenty of documentation on Sherman's dance party, and lots of old white men in fancy gold frames looking down on you from the walls. It also has the advantages of being cheap and usually deserted. Capitalism freaks can enjoy the nearby Coca-Cola museum/shrine. A frightfully garish place, but worth a peep if you go in for that kind of thing. Speaking of peeps, I would also have pipped The Gold Club for after-show but alas, it's closed now...'twas fantastic. Michael "it really was good" Wells Ps. Man, if I could flip a microphone cord the way that dude Andrew WK does in the 'Party Hard' video, I'd be a star too. Fuck, that's AWESOME. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:08:36 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: downward, heavenward On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 12:04 PM, Steve Talkowski wrote: > I'm curious to hear how many of you have seen our new computer generated > feature "Ice Age" and what your opinions were. The trailer was genius, and you guys can hardly be disappointed with the box office. But the plot was so ordinary that I could just about say the lines 15 minutes ahead of time. - - Movie Critic Steve __________ The Bush administration repealed a rule this week that would have allowed government agencies to refuse federal contracts to companies that do not comply with labor, environmental and consumer-protection laws. - Neil Irwin, Washington Post, 12/28/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 21:13:37 -0500 From: steve Subject: Secret Cupboards (NR) From a crafty Chalkhills poster (see, there are some) - > Last issue, ......... ......... lamented the lack of the > bonus tracks listed at Amazon on his copy of "A Coat > of Many Cupboards" from weatherbox. Playing a hunch, > I stuck discs 2 and 3 of the box-set which I just got > today into my CD player, pressed play, pause, and then > REVERSE SCAN from the start of track one, and low and > behold, the two hidden tracks start BEFORE track one. > > This is a trick that has been used on several other > CDs I own. These hidden tracks are usually referred > to as 'track 0' in reference to their placement on the > CD. Note that not all CD players will scan back from > track one, and as this mastering trick violates Red > Book standard, some CD players won't play these discs > at all. Every Sony player I've ever tried works. > > I imagine Amazon got word of these hidden tracks and > put them into their track listing, incorrectly listing > them as track one on the discs. > > As for the tracks themselves, "Ballad of the wanking > man" is a one minute clip of swearing in the studio > after a flubbed start of a song. The 15 minute > "Shaving brush boogie" is the same as from the drunken > jam sessions. These tracks serve as icing on the > "Coat of Many Cupboards" cake. - - Steve __________ "The logic of missile defense is to make the stakes of power projection compatible with the risks of power projection," says Keith B. Payne, a deterrence theory expert and an ardent supporter of missile defense. - Bill Keler, NYT ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:17:46 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: downward, heavenward on 4/7/02 10:08 PM, steve at steveschiavo@mac.com wrote: > The trailer was genius, and you guys can hardly be disappointed with the > box office. But the plot was so ordinary that I could just about say > the lines 15 minutes ahead of time. Yeah, the story broke no new ground, i'm always first to admit that. However, if you were to have read the original stinker foisted upon us by Fox, you'll see that we were able to make a bad script look tolerable. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:19:10 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: NYC In-store appearance? Is Robyn planning any in-stores this week (or anytime soon) in NYC? - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:26:17 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: NYC In-store appearance? >From: Steve Talkowski >-0400 > >Is Robyn planning any in-stores this week (or anytime soon) in NYC? > >-Steve Good question, how did anybody know about the Atlanta in-store? I didn't see anything on robynhitchcock.com. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:59:37 -0400 From: " FS Thomas" Subject: Re: NYC In-store appearance? It emerged on list, what, yesterday or the day before? It was on the Criminal Records site (criminal.com--somebody was on the ball years ago to land that one...) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maximilian Lang" To: Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 10:26 PM Subject: Re: NYC In-store appearance? > >From: Steve Talkowski > >-0400 > > > >Is Robyn planning any in-stores this week (or anytime soon) in NYC? > > > >-Steve > > > > Good question, how did anybody know about the Atlanta in-store? I didn't see > anything on robynhitchcock.com. > > Max > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:01:09 -0700 From: Jason Thornton Subject: Re: downward, heavenward On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 01:35 AM, drew wrote: > Music thread: we all weighed in on the Strokes. The Strokes are coming to San Diego twice in the span of about a week. They're playing a smaller club called '4th and B' on the 23rd (I'm going to this show), and opening for Tenacious D at a much larger venue on the 30th. I'll be flying back from Boston, MA then, so I'll miss the latter show - not that I'd be looking forward to sitting through a Jack Black show anyhow. Beulah's playing the same night at a small club by the airport called the Casbah, so I might catch a couple of songs of their set if I'm lucky and they start late. I saw Spiritualized and Black Rebel Motorcycle Club last night. An interesting show, although the vocals for both band were waaaay too low in the mix. Damn near inaudible for BRMC, who rawk with a great deal of gusto, I might add. > Do y'all have any > thoughts on that other still-superhyped rock 'n' roll band, the > White Stripes? I still haven't made up my mind, but I'm thinking of > picking up the album from Tower for $9.99 anyway. Personally, I don't get or like this band at all. Jason, who all of a sudden has three bright red t-shirts in his wardrobe that he's been wearing a great deal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:35:28 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: downward, heavenward on 4/7/02 2:35 AM, drew at drew@stormgreen.com wrote: > Music thread: we all weighed in on the Strokes. Do y'all have any > thoughts on that other still-superhyped rock 'n' roll band, the > White Stripes? I still haven't made up my mind, but I'm thinking of > picking up the album from Tower for $9.99 anyway. As long as it's "De Stijl" or "White Blood Cells". Their self titled first album is a bit different and not nearly as good, IMO. Good shit. A lot more fun than The Strokes. - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #110 ********************************