From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #101 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, April 1 2002 Volume 11 : Number 101 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Reap ["Rob" ] reap [Mike Swedene ] reap ["Edward of Sim" ] Fran your Ang ["Spring Cherry" ] When MTV played music... ["Natalie Jane" ] sye-yucks-see [drew ] one more for the hat trick [Jim Davies ] julie birchill is away [Jim Davies ] Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffre] Re: Les Fronch/"flowers" [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] the one who will look at you sideways [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: lots of stuff!! [Ken Weingold ] Robyn sings, yes he does [Jason Miller ] Doctors Children [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Re: Robyn sings, yes he does ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Les Fronch/"flowers" [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: When MTV played music... [Jeff Dwarf ] Robyn Sings [Brian ] Billy Bragg question [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:02:27 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Reap The Queen Mother - -- Rob (So maybe Man & Boy won't be on the BBC tonight after all) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:16:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: reap Queen Mother. 101. any connection to the Disney film of 101 Dalmations? just a thought. can't help but listen to Smiths music now, just like I listened to Taxman while doing my annual 1040 form. Herbie ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:36:17 -0000 From: "Edward of Sim" Subject: reap The Queen Mum, this afternoon, age 101. +x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+ Edward of Sim a Californian in Lancashire the band: http://www.mp3.com/VirginTwin Spiritual psychedelic power-folk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:26:19 +0000 From: "Spring Cherry" Subject: Fran your Ang Chris: >The nasal-A thing was how I was taught to pronounce a final -in in >French, >if memory serves. Oh yes. I had French at school from kindergarden till 10th grade. I can't speak it but I sound almost alright ordering from french menus(which was really the point of the enterprise anyhow.) Anyway, I remember hours of reciting,--an,en,in,on,un, with the suitable top of the palatte snort. You hardly ever(never?) pronounce final consants in french anyway. Since I can't even pronounce english properly, needless to say my french was slightly doomed from the get-go. But while I can't produce one perfectly, I can recognize a proper french accent from a mile away. And get oddly irrated what others are incorrect. Like when people ask me if I want a - --cwaawssent-- from Bone Payne. I crindge but ... can only vainly wish I could channel Chris or Doug or Ken at such moments:-) "The French don't care what they say exactly, as long as they pronounce it properly" "Why Can't the English Learn to Speak" Lerner & Lowe - ----------------- Gene: >Yeah, he gets paid to write stuff like that. Wonder why I'm not a >famous >po-mo poet yet? Sigh, nor I. - ----------------- Scot >Kay, I'm doing what I can. ;-) And may you keep doing it. ;-) BTW--your daughter sounds lovely. - ---------------- Drew: >You want me to turn gay? Perish the thought! I immediatly retract. - --------------- Jeffrey: >and, in the best Peter Sellers fashion, Ah, but with a soupcon of Cleese cheese please. - -------------------- Melissa: >Ross,Don't forget my favorite, the scene from the Mummy where Rachel >Weisz >is giving that drunken librarian pride speech. Now I -have- to rent that movie. Sounds good. I like the bit in "Party Girl"(I think thats what it called. I watched it at a drunken librarian pride party and so barely remember. Parker Posey's in it) when she cross-indesxes her boyfriends sacred record collection, leading to his proper recognition of her God-like powers. - --------------- Sorry for the long hello today but Im !@#$%working%$#@! this Saturday. Yes, even thou its a holiday weekend -and- the world's most perfect day outside. Perhaps I should start answering all questions in Fran-Anglais>;-)> Kay _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:57:36 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: When MTV played music... >I remember one (the only?) Post Mod MTV show >w/ Robyn -- he played "Interesting Drug" by the >Morrissy, "Kiss & Tell" by Brian Ferry, Raymond >Chandler Evening, One Long Pair of Eyes and ... >anyone remember some of the rest? I remember this well. Each artist would be on Po-Mo MTV for a week (presumably they taped all the shows at once, since they wore the same clothes the whole time). I don't think they had much choice as to what they played - mostly it was the popular "college rock" of the day. I remember Robyn sitting against a black blackground with psychedelic patterns on it, uttering the first Robyn Monologues (tm) that this tender ear had ever heard. When he was about to play the Cure, he said, "I don't know much about the Cure, my daughter likes the Cure, but parents and kids shouldn't like the same things because it's *creepy.*" Andy Partridge had been on the week before, wearing a cream-colored suit with a matching top hat. He spent a lot of time looking up the asses of Barbie dolls and sneering at Depeche Mode and doing John Lydon impersonations (PIL's "Disappointed" was big at the time). This was also when he made his infamous cruel comment about Robyn "ripping off everything that Syd Barrett ever did." Nevertheless, between him and Robyn, I became convinced that giants walked the earth. I was sixteen at the time. Other artists I remember were Chris Frantz and Tina Weymouth, who also made fun of PIL ("There's some really bad singing on this song"), and the Pixies, who mimed to their own voices without opening their mouths. And yes, I recall Dave Kendall and Kevin Seal with great fondness. n. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 12:07:29 -0800 From: drew Subject: sye-yucks-see > From: Christopher Gross > On a completely unrelated note, is anyone (else) here going to see the > Siouxsie and the Banshees reunion tour? I really wanted to, since I love and have never seen them, but it looks like the SF show is sold out. Big surprise there. :( > From: dmw > > humm. but i sorta thought there were enough borryd french words in > common > english use that the barest rudiments of french pronunciation were part > of > english in the same way that german (zieg heil!) spanish (el corazon - > fergive the lack of diactiricals) japanese (arigoto) latin (cum laude) > are. There aren't. Particularly not the "in" in "moulin." Moreover, I'm not convinced that most Americans know how to pronounce the words you cite correctly either, perhaps because only one of them is really "borrowed" (cum laude) and the rest are merely (somewhat) well-known foreign phrases. "Arigato" doesn't fly in English unitalicized, "el corazon" isn't even as common as "hombre" (often mispronounced "haambray") or "gringo" (often rhyming with "Ringo"), I hear "zeeg hile" and "zig hile," and I'm not sure I pronounce "cum laude" correctly myself ("koom loud-uh"?). It's a miracle people even say "moo-lahn." > uh, creme de la creme, au courant, respondez s'il vous plait, au jus, a > la > mode, un flambeau jeanette isabella, that kind of thing. Those work out better, though I rarely hear RSVP "spoken out" ("sih voo play" is more common), and it's "ah lah mowed" and "oh zhoos" (with the s pronounced, which I was always taught was incorrect). "Soup du jour" works out all right, though it's usually "soop doo joo-er". > From: "Fric Chaud" > > Moulin is phonetic in french. Say "moo", then say "ehhh" in the > fashion of Bugs Bunny. You must think the final "N" without > actually saying it. Moo-lanh is neither english nor french. There's an L, though, right? > Now I am too frustrated to sleep. Dommage! > From: "Fric Chaud" > > On 29 Mar 2002, at 12:54, drew wrote: > >>> The only thing that I must say about the Oscars that you of United >>> States citizens certainly pronounce "moulin" in the funny way. It's >>> not "mou-lanh", but "mou-lin". >> >> It's also "you United States citizens" and "in a funny way." >> J'espere que ceci vous aide. > > ??? Quebec is not a part of the United States, at least not today. I was correcting your English, not trying to assimilate you. Fortunately for you! My French class visited Quebec during my freshman year of high school. We were excited to practice our French and a little nervous about it. We quickly found that anyone we addressed in French would invariably respond in English, and we soon gave up and spoke English for the rest of the trip. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:17:56 GMT From: Jim Davies Subject: one more for the hat trick the =really= good news, of course, is that although the death of the queen mother has affected most of the earlier evening tv, man and boy will be running at 9.30 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:26:03 GMT From: Jim Davies Subject: julie birchill is away not so i'm so sad that i would sit in and =watch= what could well be rather a dull production. no, that's what the video's for. we're all off down the pub. have one for the queen mum. x jim - -- first her sister, then her mum, surely this means she'll abdicate? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:17:31 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) On Sat, 30 Mar 2002, Fric Chaud wrote: > That which continues to confound me is that in the USA when > pronouncing "-in", the sound that emerges is not an english "-in" > nor a french one, but a correctly nasalised "-on". If you have > already mastered the art of the nasalisation, please use it with care > on the correct vowel. French is not a tongue for the careless. Right. In order to correctly pronounce the word for "wine," for example, you should enunciate the "v" sound and then honk like a strangulated goose: "vaehh(ng)", approximately. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::No man is an island. ::But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, ::they make a pretty good raft. __Max Cannon__ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:24:54 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Les Fronch/"flowers" >On a completely unrelated note, is anyone (else) here going to see the >Siouxsie and the Banshees reunion tour? not completely unrelated! If the British had been the first Europeans to meet the Sioux, would it have been spelt like that? >uh, creme de la creme, au courant, respondez s'il vous plait, au jus, a la >mode, un flambeau jeanette isabella, that kind of thing. only if you have certain savoir faire, n'est-ce pas? Mais je pense que le plupart des mots francais qui on dit en anglais ont les prononciations differents. (sprinkle liberally accents and add a cedilla) Anyone else here thinking of the Monochrome Set's song "RSVP"? Jeff added: >There is no such thing as "the barest rudiments of French pronunciation." >Every French speaker, upon encountering a non-native speaker attempting to >pronounce French, will pounce upon the unwary non-native and, in the best >Peter Sellers fashion, say, "Nuoooynh...zut os nyt 'ouuw zi wouoort eesh >prahnooynhst, you ygnouronh, bahrrbahddyinh foo-wl!"* This is true >regardless of how the French is actually pronounced. I'll take your word on that, being as how you're a Norman and all. Aaron Mandel dit: >Just got the reissue of the Psychedelic Furs' first, and somehow noticed >something I hadn't before -- there's a bit of "Flowers" that sounds a hell >of a lot like it ended up in "Clean Steve": "His body is upon the wall / >His teeth are sharp and bright". The melody mostly fits too. > >Am I imagining it, or just dim for not having heard it before? I've always considered Clean Steve as being related in some way to Brian Eno's Blank Frank (supposedly a dig at a former colleage and fellow band-member with Eno with the initials BF). James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:17:04 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: the one who will look at you sideways On Sun, 31 Mar 2002, James Dignan wrote: > I've always considered Clean Steve as being related in some way to Brian > Eno's Blank Frank (supposedly a dig at a former colleage and fellow > band-member with Eno with the initials BF). I assume you mean Bryan Ferry? Could be, I suppose... I like Eno's take on it, in the book he put out with Russell Mills' illustrations of his lyrics, and Rick Poynor's commentary, _More Dark than Shark_: "Blank Frank was a small-time Ipswich gangster... He was a hired hand and would duff up anyone for a relatively small sum.... He had a remarkable resistance to pain - his 'conversation piece' consisted of burning himself quite badly with a lighter. His friend was a guy called Georgie W - who was a blonde-haired gypsy of circus origins, and who used to eat sandwiches of bread with razor blades inside for bets. He had a brother whose name was George "Rebel" W (their father's name was also George) and for a brief period I shared a flat in Cemetery Road, Ipswich, with these three characters, an abortionist named Pete, and a hooker called Angie. Anyway, Frank himself was a benzedrine head, most of what he said, in origin no doubt commonplace, became fascinatingly garbled and obscure. He was a born victim and he ended up getting six years for a number of offenses including GBH and receiving." Hmm...I sense that Mr. Eno's tongue may be slightly in cheek here - just a *bit* much, perhaps. Wait a minute...George W, father also named George... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::No man is an island. ::But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, ::they make a pretty good raft. __Max Cannon__ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 20:49:48 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: lots of stuff!! And it was written: "> On a completely unrelated note, is anyone (else) here going to see the > Siouxsie and the Banshees reunion tour?" All right, any of you see her the first time(s) around? Just strutting my age, as usual. I saw her in a hotter-than-hell Orpheum Theater in Boston in the summer of....1984? Would that be right? She seemed bored. The show was OK. The French argument has me in stitches. I think everyone brutalizes other languages. When my students (who are from everywhere except here) pronounce the names of famous celebrities, I often tell them that I don't know who they are talking about (I assume that it is generational) because their pronunciation of the name has nothing to do with any vague similarity to the correct pronunciation. My students are often non-plussed by the fact that I don't know who Marilyn Monroe was (the permutations are endless). Whilst camping in southern Spain in the summer of '77 with my then boyfriend/now husband, we met this guy from France who asked us if we liked Lehzehplan (accent on the last syllable). What squares we were for not knowing what he/she/it was. Then he started singing Good Times Bad Times, and I got it. This was the same person who told us that "Elveees" had died. And to Robyn's film debut, is there a Brit taping this who could send it to the States? I can convert tapes from PAL to NTSC and could make copies for others. Jill, who cringes when pundits use "Angst" "Weltanschauung" and "Zeitgeist" in the same sentence, all woefully mispronounced ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:05:09 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: lots of stuff!! On Sat, Mar 30, 2002, Jill Brand wrote: > And it was written: > "> On a completely unrelated note, is anyone (else) here going to see the > > Siouxsie and the Banshees reunion tour?" > > All right, any of you see her the first time(s) around? Just strutting my > age, as usual. I saw her in a hotter-than-hell Orpheum Theater in Boston > in the summer of....1984? Would that be right? She seemed bored. The > show was OK. First time I saw them was in '87 for Peepshow at Radio City in NY. Great show. A comedian opened for them. Intereting theories on the reason for that. > The French argument has me in stitches. I think everyone brutalizes other > languages. Well I think it goes both ways. If you are speaking one particular language, I think it's okay to pronounce foreign words more in the pronunciation of the language you are speaking. I worked once with this guy who had lived in Mexico. He would pronounce 'Mexico' how you would in Spanish. I thought he sounded ridiculous, considering we were speaking English. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 04:10:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Jason Miller Subject: Robyn sings, yes he does Got my copy of Robyn Sings today and it's not even April. I also got both Glass Flesh CDs. Thanks Bayard! Add in Max's excellent Tales from the Underwater and it's been a hell of a month. Thanks Max! Sadly, the tracklisting for disk 1 of Robyn Sings is wrong as listed. The back lists track 5 as Desolation Row and track 6 as It's All Over Now, Baby Blue. These are actually transposed. I made an executive decision and submitted the correct order to the CDDB. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:39:20 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Doctors Children Hey everybody!!! Does anybody on this list know of how I can get a copy of the Doctors Children CD called King Buffalo??? Does anybody have any MP3s??? Please help!!! They were so great, and their work is as hard to find as Close Lobsters... Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:44:50 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Robyn sings, yes he does >From: Jason Miller >>Got my copy of Robyn Sings today and it's not even April. How's bout a review? Thanks(and thanks), Max _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:25:21 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Les Fronch/"flowers" James Dignan wrote: > >On a completely unrelated note, is anyone (else) here going to see > >the Siouxsie and the Banshees reunion tour? > > not completely unrelated! If the British had been the first Europeans > to meet the Sioux, would it have been spelt like that? perhaps, but Lakotasie & The Banshees doesn't have quite the same ring to it. of course, that assumed that the British wouldn't have just decided to call them other than their real name like the French did. ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 00:28:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: When MTV played music... Natalie Jane wrote: > Andy Partridge had been on the week before, wearing a cream-colored > suit with a matching top hat. He spent a lot of time looking up the > asses of Barbie dolls and sneering at Depeche Mode ... for releasing a live album, which i remember thinking was really rich from someone to scared to perform. the guest host was also usually the interviewed guest from that weeks 120 minutes. ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:50:55 -0500 From: Brian Subject: Robyn Sings I got mine out of the mail box this morning (I forgot to look yesterday). This is the 2nd, and 2nd in a row for a double CD Robyn Hitchcock release. Stripes disc is mostly live. Recorded from the 1999 USA RA tour. So I've heard a few of these before. I think Visions of Johanna (track 1) is from 10/31/99 Iron Horse, but it'll be fun for fegs to connect the dots for the dates and venues of the songs. The 3 studio tracks (recorded by Pat Collier) are very pleasant. Especially 'It's All Over Now, Baby Blue.' I had to listen to that one twice. It's got mellow slide guitar backing it up. It's so delicate it melts me. 'Dignity' another studio track has nice tremolo guitar throughout. Dots disc are songs from the 96 Royal Albert Hall show. Nothing too special except that it's more accessable now. There are plenty of photos. A couple of them are from the Isle of Wight bus tour. Did Robyn recently get married? He's wearing a wedding band on the back cover. The liner notes are by Robyn telling about when he was 13 and 1st heard 'Desolation Row.' Two of the Three inner pages have these liner notes, the 3rd has the credits. I'm not disappointed at all with my purchase. It's too early to say how much I'll get into this one. Probably won't be an 'every day' CD, but who knows. I think I'll put 'It's All Over Now, Baby Blue' back in again. Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:14:31 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Billy Bragg question You lot are music trivia experts, for the most part, and there is a big crossover between RH and BB fans so... sometime, somewhen, someone told me that Billy Bragg's song "Cindy of a thousand lives" (one of my favourites, BTW) was inspired by a real person named Cindy, who was a poet or artist of moviemaker or something. Trouble is, I can't remember her surname, nor can I remember what her craft was. Can anyone here fill in the blanks for me? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #101 ********************************