From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #100 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, March 30 2002 Volume 11 : Number 100 Today's Subjects: ----------------- French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) [Christopher Gross ] Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) [Christopher Gross ] Re: french! (spit) [gSs ] Re: frenchmaniax! (spit) [Ken Weingold ] Re: frenchmaniax! (spit) [gSs ] Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) [dmw ] Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) [Ken Weingold ] hail berry [drew ] "flowers" [Aaron Mandel ] Re: "flowers" [Miles Goosens ] Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffre] Re: french! (spit) [Tom Clark ] oh, is that something modern? ["ross taylor" ] Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) [dmw ] Re: satan's talking Aashole ["Spring Cherry" ] Re: french! (spit) [steve ] Re: french! (unwrap, chew and spit) ["Michael Wells" ] Important Rush news! ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) ["Maximilian Lang" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:03:47 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Fric Chaud wrote: > The only thing that I must say about the Oscars that you of United > States citizens certainly pronounce "moulin" in the funny way. > It's not "mou-lanh", but "mou-lin". Ah, but what exactly do you mean by "mou-lin"? Is the vowel in "lin" pronounced as in English, like the I in "Innsmouth" or the Y in "Robyn," or is it more of a nasal A sound like at the beginning of "Anne Elk"? The nasal-A thing was how I was taught to pronounce a final -in in French, if memory serves. 'Round here there's a chain of bakery/coffee shops called Au Bon Pain, which many Americans pronounce "aw bawn pann" or even "aw bawn payn," much to my horror. And one of DC's few all-night restaurants is called Au Pied du Cochon. That name suffers doubly because so many who visit it are a.) monolingual Americans and b.) drunk. - --Christophe ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:34:33 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) On Fri, Mar 29, 2002, Christopher Gross wrote: > 'Round here there's a chain of bakery/coffee shops called Au Bon > Pain, which many Americans pronounce "aw bawn pann" or even "aw bawn > payn," much to my horror. And one of DC's few all-night restaurants is > called Au Pied du Cochon. That name suffers doubly because so many who > visit it are a.) monolingual Americans and b.) drunk. Or c.) are bilingual (or more) Americans who don't know how to pronounce French. Just because you speak a couple of languages doesn't mean you should have any clue how to pronounce another. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:55:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: trailers > From: steve > > Everybody needs to go here and watch the theatrical trailer for Lilo & > Stitch - Looks funny ... hate Disney ... made me laugh ... hate Disney ... feel tempted to actually pay $8 to see it first run ... hate Disney ... but it *could* be good .... Ack! What have you done to my mind? > And here to see Zu Warriors - Wow. Wow. Wow. Now that looks like a fun flick. Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:56:13 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Ken Weingold wrote: > Or c.) are bilingual (or more) Americans who don't know how to > pronounce French. Just because you speak a couple of languages > doesn't mean you should have any clue how to pronounce another. Good point. For example, I can think of one quail on this list who speaks German and is even familiar with such esoteric languages as Irish and Romanian, yet has a mental block against French (and indeed anything to do with France). Having a third point would have improved that sentence artistically, too (though I would've made it b and kept "drunk" as c). Maybe I'll change it for my _Complete Works_. On a completely unrelated note, is anyone (else) here going to see the Siouxsie and the Banshees reunion tour? - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:57:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Satan's asshole talks! > From: gSs > > is satan's asshole as good as satan's harelip? Ahem, who's up for a little poetry? "The devil's asshole smells like fried chicken." -- Andrei Codrescu Yeah, he gets paid to write stuff like that. Wonder why I'm not a famous po-mo poet yet? At least I don't have graduate assistants who call me "The Cod Piece," though. Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:59:29 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Sally and the Banjos On Fri, Mar 29, 2002, Christopher Gross wrote: > On a completely unrelated note, is anyone (else) here going to see the > Siouxsie and the Banshees reunion tour? Yes, probably. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:34:02 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: french! (spit) On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Ken Weingold wrote: > Or c.) are bilingual (or more) Americans who don't know how to > pronounce French. Just because you speak a couple of languages > doesn't mean you should have any clue how to pronounce another. And who the heck would want to speak french correctly. That is actually defeating the purpose. What they need to do is start advertising everything to french people in spanish. One of my favorite times of the day is to watch drivers reactions when npr plays a certain ?commercial? that starts "so, you want to speak french". gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:37:38 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: frenchmaniax! (spit) On Fri, Mar 29, 2002, gSs wrote: > One of my favorite times of the day is to watch drivers reactions when > npr plays a certain ?commercial? that starts "so, you want to speak french". But if the French had it their way, that would be rhetorical, or wouldn't be a question at all. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:46:42 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: frenchmaniax! (spit) On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Ken Weingold wrote: > > npr plays a certain ?commercial? that starts "so, you want to speak french". > > But if the French had it their way, that would be rhetorical, or > wouldn't be a question at all. Yeah that's the funniest part. In her mind it isn't a question. It was probably the accent the raised the hair first. But we all thought it was just some sort of comical interlude. Little did we know. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:55:18 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Christopher Gross wrote: > On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Ken Weingold wrote: > > > Or c.) are bilingual (or more) Americans who don't know how to > > pronounce French. Just because you speak a couple of languages > > doesn't mean you should have any clue how to pronounce another. humm. but i sorta thought there were enough borryd french words in common english use that the barest rudiments of french pronunciation were part of english in the same way that german (zieg heil!) spanish (el corazon - fergive the lack of diactiricals) japanese (arigoto) latin (cum laude) are. > On a completely unrelated note, is anyone (else) here going to see the > Siouxsie and the Banshees reunion tour? yes. chris may be interested to know that i'm playing in a ministry tribute band on the 13th. they haven't told me where the show is yet. the whole show is called "run for cover" and i think it's short sets from several different one-off 80s tribute bands. i learned how to play 4 ministry songs last night. and for anyone local & not on my spam list, i'm playing, with a bunch of friends, a free acoustic show t'nite at sparky's 1720 14th st nw. i'll be publicly debuting (deb as in eb, utt as in smut?) a bunch of the songs that will prolly be my upcoming album, which may be called _the monster in the woods, or, how the old leopard learned new tricks_. or not. other people will be playing entirely different, probably entirely less pretentious and portentious material. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 14:59:52 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) On Fri, Mar 29, 2002, dmw wrote: > > > Or c.) are bilingual (or more) Americans who don't know how to > > > pronounce French. Just because you speak a couple of languages > > > doesn't mean you should have any clue how to pronounce another. > > humm. but i sorta thought there were enough borryd french words in common > english use that the barest rudiments of french pronunciation were part of > english in the same way that german (zieg heil!) spanish (el corazon - > fergive the lack of diactiricals) japanese (arigoto) latin (cum laude) > are. Yeah, but you think that most of them are pronounced even remotely as they are in the original language? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:14:58 -0800 From: "Scott McCleary" Subject: Halle Barry Kay gushed from the podium: > Halle Barry is so cute I think all females should look like her when we get reborn Not impossible. There's some thought that that's where we're headed what with more globally mobile populations and all. Would address that pesky ozone problem as well, I should think (we Picts, as I have repeatedly told Lyn, just don't DO sunshine). I think in a couple hundred years we're gonna be looking a lot more like Rae Dawn Chong. Um, I could live with that. I see evidence of a real shift every morning when I drop my (Scots-West African) daughters off at daycare. Northern Virginia being the mixing bowl it is, a full quarter of the kids there are interracial to some degree. Kay, I'm doing what I can. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:54:54 -0800 From: drew Subject: hail berry > From: Ken Ostrander [on Academy Award-winning actress Halle Berry:] > she was fantastic in monster's ball. she takes some chances and they > really > pay off. What little I read about that film made me steer clear, so I might have my facts wrong, but isn't that another role where she falls in love with a white guy in an improbable way? > the only other flicks i've seen her in are _jungle fever_, where she > played a convincing crackhead with samuel l. and _bulworth_ where she > played it > a little too cool as the hip ghetto radical. i did like her rant about > "the > decimation of the manufacturing bases in the urban centers." heavy. I never saw _Jungle Fever_, but I need to -- I just realized that I've never seen a complete (a) Spike Lee or (b) Woody Allen film. Granted I'm not really a film buff but even for me that's odd. We watched _Bulworth_ the other day and I didn't believe in her character for an instant. I blame Beatty more than Berry in this case, but still. It was a fun movie; at first it seems ridiculously didactic, such that even if you agree with the politics you're almost insulted, but the hugely embarrassing scenes of the senator getting down with his urban constituency are almost more important thematically when you consider why they look so absurd. The love story element, though, was deeply annoying. > From: "Fric Chaud" > > The only thing that I must say about the Oscars that you of United > States citizens certainly pronounce "moulin" in the funny way. > It's not "mou-lanh", but "mou-lin". It's also "you United States citizens" and "in a funny way." J'espere que ceci vous aide. > From: Ken Weingold > I thought it was simply called "new music" when 120 Minutes was good, > in the mid-late '80s. I remember in '86 when I had no idea what the > music that I and my friends were into was called (Siouxsie and the > Banshees, The Cure, The Cult, Xmal Deutchland, etc.), so I asked a > good friend of mine what he would say to people when they asked what > kind of music he listened to. He said, "Fuck you." I've already sung the praises of Dave Kendall (and the more annoying Kevin Seal) on this list, so I'll simply add that I was faced with introducing myself to the group I'd be doing improv comedy with in the future (fingers crossed), and trying to figure out how to answer the question of what kind of music I liked. Given what this group is like, I decided it would be "the sort of music kids get beat up in junior high for liking." > From: "Spring Cherry" > And Feg, youve been a let down too, no oscar fashion talk! I've considered falling to my knees and thanking the group for that "let down." If only the Ozzy worship would die down we'd be in business. > Halle Barry is so cute I think all females should look like her when we > get > reborn You want me to turn gay? I mean, honestly, if she showed up naked in my bed I wouldn't complain, but she ain't all that. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:06:07 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: "flowers" Just got the reissue of the Psychedelic Furs' first, and somehow noticed something I hadn't before -- there's a bit of "Flowers" that sounds a hell of a lot like it ended up in "Clean Steve": "His body is upon the wall / His teeth are sharp and bright". The melody mostly fits too. Am I imagining it, or just dim for not having heard it before? a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:17:21 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: "flowers" At 04:06 PM 3/29/2002 -0500, Aaron Mandel wrote: >Just got the reissue of the Psychedelic Furs' first, and somehow noticed >something I hadn't before -- there's a bit of "Flowers" that sounds a hell >of a lot like it ended up in "Clean Steve": "His body is upon the wall / >His teeth are sharp and bright". The melody mostly fits too. > >Am I imagining it, or just dim for not having heard it before? I'll have to listen to it again tonight to see if I hear it too. But in the meantime, what's up with the cover change of FOREVER NOW? Both THE PSYCHEDELIC FURS and FOREVER NOW get new default front covers in the booklets of the reissues, and not being a Furs completist, I'm assuming that these are the U.K. covers. But THE PSYCHEDELIC FURS has the more familiar (to me) b&w cover on the back page of the booklet (think of how the Ryko Bowie reissues worked overtime to make sure every alternate cover was full-page in the booklet). But I don't see the FOREVER NOW cover that I know anywhere in the reissue... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:27:16 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, dmw wrote: > humm. but i sorta thought there were enough borryd french words in common > english use that the barest rudiments of french pronunciation were part of > english in the same way that german (zieg heil!) spanish (el corazon - > fergive the lack of diactiricals) japanese (arigoto) latin (cum laude) > are. Enough what kind of French words? There is no such thing as "the barest rudiments of French pronunciation." Every French speaker, upon encountering a non-native speaker attempting to pronounce French, will pounce upon the unwary non-native and, in the best Peter Sellers fashion, say, "Nuoooynh...zut os nyt 'ouuw zi wouoort eesh prahnooynhst, you ygnouronh, bahrrbahddyinh foo-wl!"* This is true regardless of how the French is actually pronounced. Amongst themselves, French speakers sound exactly like Gilbert Gottfried. * ( "no...that is not how the word is pronounced, you ignorant, barbarian fool!") - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::playing around with the decentered self is all fun and games ::until somebody loses an I. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:39:37 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: french! (spit) on 3/29/02 10:34 AM, gSs at gshell@metronet.com wrote: > One of my favorite times of the day is to watch drivers reactions when > npr plays a certain ?commercial? that starts "so, you want to speak french". People in Texas listen to NPR? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:18:12 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: oh, is that something modern? Post Modern MTV -- I remember some story of David Bowied hosting an episode & wanting to show Hendrix de-constructing his guitar at Monteray Pop, but being told "that's classic rock." He thought nothing could be more post modern. I remember one (the only?) Post Mod MTV show w/ Robyn -- he played "Interesting Drug" by the Morrissy, "Kiss & Tell" by Brian Ferry, Raymond Chandler Evening, One Long Pair of Eyes and ... anyone remember some of the rest? Libes-- W/ Library Week coming up, I'm wondering if our library can do a display on porn on the internet. Oooh, there have been staff cuts, better not try it. It is funny tho, that librarians end up being on the cutting edge of this. Some of the testimony does seem to have been in hopes of publicly scaring a librarian witness w/ dirty pictures. We did a list of "librarians in the media" one recent lib week, & came up w/ stuff like the scene at the end of It's a Wonderful Life (Oh god! She's become a librarian!), or recently the Tears for Fears video for Head Over Heels, or Aimee Bender's recent story "Quiet Please" in The Girl in the Flammable Skirt, about a highly sexual librarian - --well, they wouldn't let me use that. This library has been hectic recently but I can't let a Friday go by w/ out posting. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:36:38 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, dmw wrote: > > > humm. but i sorta thought there were enough borryd french words in common > > english use that the barest rudiments of french pronunciation were part of > > english in the same way that german (zieg heil!) spanish (el corazon - > > fergive the lack of diactiricals) japanese (arigoto) latin (cum laude) > > are. > > Enough what kind of French words? uh, creme de la creme, au courant, respondez s'il vous plait, au jus, a la mode, un flambeau jeanette isabella, that kind of thing. > Peter Sellers fashion, say, "Nuoooynh...zut os nyt 'ouuw zi wouoort eesh > prahnooynhst, you ygnouronh, bahrrbahddyinh foo-wl!"* This is true > regardless of how the French is actually pronounced. go away, you kuhniggitt. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:53:15 +0000 From: "Spring Cherry" Subject: Re: satan's talking Aashole Shell: >is satan's asshole as good as satan's harelip? Why;-? Actually, its even better. Thou most people say the sensitive tissue around where the horns popped out is the tenderest spot. In fact, if you stroke it just so ... Hmmm, I -almost- feel a Robynesque monologue coming on, but not quite. Drat. And oh yes, Thurman got my vote for best best. Simple, classic and devastating. Kay, who unforetunetly really has something closer to Peter Jackson's haircut _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:59:21 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: french! (spit) On Friday, March 29, 2002, at 03:39 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > People in Texas listen to NPR? What else is there? AM is 24/7 sports/dick talk or right wing ranting and the FM music stations are so bad that I pra... , uh, fervently wish for them to play Tom Sawyer again. That leaves NPR , to which I confess a 40hr per week habit, less if certain hours get too squishy. Never forget that KERA TV in Dallas saved Monty Python for the world. - - Steve __________ President Bush met privately with top officials from the Salvation Army in May to discuss his "faith-based" initiative while the White House was reviewing a request from the charity for a regulation protecting it from local workplace nondiscrimination laws based on sexual orientation. - Dana Milbank, Washington Post ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:03:31 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: french! (unwrap, chew and spit) No more good-natured poking fun at our neighbors to the North. Oh, and Stewart - - meet your new neighbor. http://www.gumwrapper.com/ James, I believe there is a Malayan saying that covers this specifically. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 01:13:47 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) On 29 Mar 2002, at 12:03, Christopher Gross wrote: > > The only thing that I must say about the Oscars that you of United > > States citizens certainly pronounce "moulin" in the funny way. It's > > not "mou-lanh", but "mou-lin". > > Ah, but what exactly do you mean by "mou-lin"? Moulin is phonetic in french. Say "moo", then say "ehhh" in the fashion of Bugs Bunny. You must think the final "N" without actually saying it. Moo-lanh is neither english nor french. I hear the same problem with the way many of you say "St-Moritz", etc. It's not Sohn Moritz! Now I am too frustrated to sleep. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 01:23:00 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) On Sat, Mar 30, 2002, Fric Chaud wrote: > > Ah, but what exactly do you mean by "mou-lin"? > > Moulin is phonetic in french. Say "moo", then say "ehhh" in the > fashion of Bugs Bunny. You must think the final "N" without > actually saying it. Moo-lanh is neither english nor french. If it's what I'm thinking of, there really is no 'n' at all. That's purely lexicon. It just means that the preceding vowel is nasalized. Correct? I speak fluent Portuguese, and this is very common. As I have mentioned, I majored in Linguistics, and I did a year of that in Brazil. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 13:58:54 -0000 From: "Melissa Higuchi" Subject: Re: oh, is that something modern? Ross, Don't forget my favorite, the scene from the Mummy where Rachel Weisz is giving that drunken librarian pride speech. melissa ross taylor said: > Libes-- > > W/ Library Week coming up, I'm wondering if > our library can do a display on porn on the > internet. Oooh, there have been staff cuts, > better not try it. It is funny tho, that > librarians end up being on the cutting edge of > this. Some of the testimony does seem to have > been in hopes of publicly scaring a librarian > witness w/ dirty pictures. We did a list of > "librarians in the media" one recent lib week, > & came up w/ stuff like the scene at the end > of It's a Wonderful Life (Oh god! She's become > a librarian!), or recently the Tears for Fears > video for Head Over Heels, or Aimee Bender's > recent story "Quiet Please" in The Girl in the > Flammable Skirt, about a highly sexual librarian > --well, they wouldn't let me use that. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 08:15:18 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Important Rush news! New web site, new song, too: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:22:19 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) I think it was Ken that said about nasalising the vowel that preceeds the "n". I deleted the letter when I tried to use the "reply" feature. Anyway, the man was correct. That's what I do when I think of "n" at the end of a word. The preceeding vowel becomes nasalised. The nearest english equivalent I imagine is "ong" or "eng", with the "g" removed. That which continues to confound me is that in the USA when pronouncing "-in", the sound that emerges is not an english "-in" nor a french one, but a correctly nasalised "-on". If you have already mastered the art of the nasalisation, please use it with care on the correct vowel. French is not a tongue for the careless. Fin (not "fohhn"!) - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:32:47 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: hail berry On 29 Mar 2002, at 12:54, drew wrote: > > The only thing that I must say about the Oscars that you of United > > States citizens certainly pronounce "moulin" in the funny way. It's > > not "mou-lanh", but "mou-lin". > > It's also "you United States citizens" and "in a funny way." > J'espere que ceci vous aide. ??? Quebec is not a part of the United States, at least not today. But I am happy that you agree with me about the funny way they speak there, and more happy to see some french on the list. If I could only find a french list of Robyn! - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:37:23 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: French! (was Re: church of the poison mind) >From: "Fric Chaud" > >That which continues to confound me is that in the USA when >pronouncing "-in", the sound that emerges is not an english "-in" >nor a french one, but a correctly nasalised "-on". If you have >already mastered the art of the nasalisation, please use it with care >on the correct vowel. French is not a tongue for the careless. > >Fin (not "fohhn"!) >-- >Fric Chaud Kinda reminds me of how the French pronounce Jerry Lewis. Like it has a ZH on the front "zhairee looweees iz zhaa gheinoouusss". Not only does it irk me but just the fact that they bother to mention him is a spine shiver nightmare. Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:57:20 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Man & Boy on BBC tonight This was mentioned on the list a while ago, but the broadcast is tonight - featuring Robyn (in his first acting role?). DRAMA: Man and Boy Channel: BBC 1 Date: Saturday 30th March 2002 Time: 21:00 to 22:45 Duration: 1 hour and 45 minutes. Touching drama about a thirtysomething man who has to face up to the realities of fatherhood in the modern world. Following an infidelity, Harry Silver's world is turned upside down when his distraught wife abandons him and goes to work in Japan, leaving him to bring up their four-year-old son. He comes to rely heavily on his parents and, in doing so, examines the roles they have both played in his own life Starring: Ioan Gruffudd, Natasha Little, Dominic Howell, Pauline Collins, Jack Shepherd, Ian McShane ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #100 ********************************