From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #94 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, March 22 2002 Volume 11 : Number 094 Today's Subjects: ----------------- panic and surrender [Ken Ostrander ] Re: You are not a kid [Brian ] Re: Robex Chilcock ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] RE: RA Lafferty ["da9ve stovall" ] Re: Alex Chilton ["da9ve stovall" ] The Name Of The Band Is. ["Maximilian Lang" ] cute kitties!!! ["Andrew D. Simchik" ] Vaguely Robynesque ["Mike Runion" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #93 ["Mike Runion" ] Re: Vaguely Robynesque [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Vaguely Robynesque [Mike Swedene ] Re: cute kitties!!! [Michael R Godwin ] Nick Drake documentary [Michael R Godwin ] Plagerism? ["Spring Cherry" ] Re: Plagerism? [Michael R Godwin ] i said your words are unclear, better spit out your gum ["ross taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:12:59 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: panic and surrender got to see a sneak preview of _the panic room_ last night. a predictable thriller; but very well done. in case anyone had any doubt, don't fuck with jodie! she is the quintessential empowered woman. i've found that the audiences in these sneak previews tend to be much more vocal and receptive to a film than a paying audience. with all of the laughter, cheering, and chatter; i couldn't resist yelling "run forrest run!" at one point. speaking of panic and running; i've decided to run for office. i've been trying to get green party folks to run for offices all over the state and decided to practice what i preach. i'll be running for state representative in the 17th suffolk district. i just formed my campaign committee this week. >>(some may raise their eyebrows at this - what Mormons dwell in >>Massachusetts? Well, the *only* Mormon temple in the northeast is right >>here in Belmont, MA). > >For years people kept putting graffiti on >a bridge that you go under as you approach it >"Surrender Dorothy!" can't help thinking of 'afterhours' and rosanna's tale about how her husband would yell this at the height of lovemaking. from what i've heard, there was a big community uproar about the mormon temple in belmont, ma when it was built a few years back. people were concerned about how high the spires would go and much more i'm sure. in related massoftwoshitts news, olympic mormon mitt romney has secured the republican ticket for governor. great headline in the metro: see jane quit, see mitt run. >Isn't Michael Moore's book (Stupid White Men) also on the bestseller >list? Shit, and Anne Rice's vampire novels were also bestsellers! >That must mean the country is filled with religious left-wing vampires! he he he. if you don't show penance to the greenpeace activist who comes to your door, you might get bit. of course, garlic doesn't work against them and they do come out in daylight; yet some people don't even know what they are. ahh yes...bestsellers. is it the lowest common denominator or the best marketed? and how do we tell the difference? quantity doesn't preclude quality. somehow i am reminded of awards like the oscars and the grammys where exposure seems to have more to do with who's nominated and who wins than merit. >> Has anyone watched the Osborne's on MTV? I have never laughed harder >> in my life. I was to the point of tears repeatedly. Maybe it's just me. This >> show has to be seen to be believed. > >You've got to be kidding. I had to struggle to make it to the first >commercial. i fall somewhere in the middle there. i was entertained by the family and their house, much more than by the real world episode that we sat through before it came on; however, i doubt that i'll be staying home to watch. >Heh. Actually, I was a college radio DJ for 3 years, which I admit has had >an inordinate amount of influence on my self-perception, so I appreciate the >title. i did a lot of college dj stuff when i was in the happy valley. though i was involved with the radio stations for zoomass, smith, and mt holyoke; i never had my own show or anything regular. these days, i am in the studio friday nights and saturday & sunday afternoons. http://tikilounge.org/ ken "no power without accountablity" the kenster np england, half english billy bragg & the blokes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:17:47 -0500 From: Brian Subject: Re: You are not a kid At Thursday, 21 March 2002, Ed Grimly wrote: >Kenneth: > >>When I was a Kid > >It's a shame you don't live near London, or have the opportunity to travel >there on business (like me), for we were treated to this rarity at the >1/25/02 (25/01/02 for you UK'ers) show at the Garage. Did a recording of this show ever surface? Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:40:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Robex Chilcock somebody asked: >But I've also never gotten to the bottom of the >Chilton/Hitchcock connection. I've seen it >written that Chilton's "Live in London" record >was him supported by the Soft Boys. Including >Robyn? Anyone know more about this? Sheesh. Once, I was at the Rock and Bowl in New Orleans, watching Snooks Eaglin and drinking beer with my friends, and Alex Chilton stood right behind me, all by himself. I could have asked him that question then and there, but I didn't. Sorry. BTW, if any of you reading this are in New Orleans, I hear Alex still frequents the Rock and Bowl. And he lives uptown on Washington Avenue, too, I believe. Why not stop by and ask him? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:55:47 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: RA Lafferty >>Subject: reap >> >>R.A.Lafferty > >NOOO! Fuck! Why are Lafferty, Astrid Lindgren, Chuck Jones, and Spike >Milligan all dead, and Dick Cheney is still alive?? I'm with ya there. >I got a science fiction anthology out of the Goodwill bins a few weeks ago >(thanks, Carole!) which included Lafferty's "Slow Tuesday Night." He was a >wonderfully witty and imaginative writer, often writing short stories that >were simply huge and hilarious shaggy dog stories, like the one about the >wallpaper city or the giant photographs. I couldn't get through a novel of >his, "Past Master," but his stories are to die for and there are many, many >of them. And, should anyone be interested, www.wildsidepress.com is the only place that I know of that has a fair amount of Lafferty in print. The short story collections are my favorites, too, though over the last couple years, I've spent a fair amount of money acquiring a few of the really obscure hardbacks and chapbooks/pamphlet-style publications. I hope they manage to re-issue _Ringing Changes_ - - which contains some ineffable stuff. _Nine Hundred Grandmothers_ is there, though, and that's got some lovely stories as well. And, the guy running Wildside Press - John Gregory Betancourt, another writer, of course - plans on trying to bring back as much Lafferty as he can get the rights to, or at least that was the essence of his reply to my query of three or four days ago. Dunno how/if that might change (for faster OR slower) now that RA's gone. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:12:50 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: Re: Alex Chilton That note in the AllMusic guide ( http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Ajpdyyl2jxpeb ) says: " Alex Chilton wasn't in particularly good shape in the early '80s. His recording career had hit the skids, and his personal life was, if anything, even worse than his professional life. As a result, Live in London, which was recorded at his nadir in 1982, isn't exactly one of his finest moments. " But, the booklet in my copy of the CD says it was recorded "Live at Dingwall's, London, England, Wednesday, May 28, 1980." Not 1982. Dunno where he got that. But, I agree otherwise - the album doesn't really do much for me. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:57:53 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: The Name Of The Band Is. Hey Fegs, Was I the only one who was totally shocked by Talking Heads playing together at the induction ceremony? From what I heard the couldn't even get them in the same room during the production of the Stop Making Sense DVD. There was supposed to be a party at Irving Plaza for the release of the dvd and it was cancelled because of they intense dislike surrounding members of the band (I don't know who, I assume Byrne and everyone else). Anyhow if VH1 is rerunning it you should check it out, it will likely never happen again... I thought they sounded great(and yes I recorded it). Max _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:13:53 -0800 From: "Andrew D. Simchik" Subject: cute kitties!!! > From: Mark Gloster > > So I've been out of a real job for over a year > now. I've been extremely lucky to get thrown scraps > as a contractor. Oh, ouch, ouch. And I was feeling sorry for myself having been out of work for over four months. What do you do, anyway? I can kind of understand why people are not rushing to hire UI designers these days... > I probably mentioned to some of you that our > family burgeoned to a huge cast of mostly kittens, Those are insanely cute. I have a theory that cat-loving is a gene. Some people have it, regardless of the rest of their personality, and some people laugh at jokes about throwing kittens into food processors. It's a mystery. > Hope to see lots of you in SF. You'll see me at the Robyn show for sure. I'm also going to see the Church at Slim's on April 7. > From: "Brian Hoare" > I fancy the idea of Kim and Robyn doing Dali's Car. Do you mean the Peter Murphy / Mick Karn thing? Or something else? > From: Aaron Mandel > > I'll be ordering it like a good feg, but coughing up that level of dosh > for a mere 5 tracks I don't own does sting somewhat. Not that I think > they > owe anything in particular to those of us who ended up with what was, > after all, a promo item. I have the same "problem." I'll probably buy it at the show so I don't spend the money on shipping, but yeah, because I was lucky enough to get the promo disc from a friend of mine who was Music Director at the station at the time, it's going to be redundant. Oh well. > From: "Spring Cherry" > > Tom: > Thanks for the book revew on "Next." Here is my impossible pipe-dream of > what happens to the music industry. > Its disappears as such. [...] That's an awesome plan. I'm in. What's even awesomer is that I think it's fully plausible. > - -ed "my misanthropy prevents me from embracing unfettered democracy" > poole. I have this problem as well, I'm afraid. Unfortunately, either way you have anthropes in charge. Perhaps we need a feline-run government. That way, humanity could get its priorities in order (eating, sleeping, fucking). Of course, that would mean I'd be cooking ham for my cat all the time, but there are worse civic responsibilities than that. Drew - -- http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:38:00 -0500 From: "Mike Runion" Subject: Vaguely Robynesque Here's a wee cartoon my daughter found the other night...a story of a meat woman and a vegetable man... http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/wpt/shorts/shorts_viewer.html?0045_sht.swf. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:05:21 -0500 From: "Mike Runion" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #93 Hey all, > From: Aaron Mandel > > I don't think that's quite right... my copy of Beautiful Queen had all of > what is now disc 2, but also three tracks (Desolation Row, Baby Blue and > Dignity) of disc 1. Yeah, and I was hoping that perhaps the whole set from that night (5/25/96) would show up on these discs, including She Belongs To Me, and Queen Jane Approximately. I guess there's no telling yet whether 4th Time Around and Visions Of Johanna are live from that gig, though I would assume VOJ is, since there's two versions of the song on this release. Not that I'm quibblin', mind you. Mike (who'll be picking up his copy at the Atlanta gig...now if only I had a recorder) Runion ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:22:47 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Vaguely Robynesque On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Mike Runion wrote: > Here's a wee cartoon my daughter found the other night...a story of a meat > woman and a vegetable man... > > http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/wpt/shorts/shorts_viewer.html?0045_sht.swf. Y'know, all I could do was keep thinking of the old Killdozer song, "Man of Meat"... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::American people like their politics like Pez - small, sweet, and ::coming out of a funny plastic head. __Dennis Miller__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:25:14 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Vaguely Robynesque - --- Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Mike Runion wrote: > > > Here's a wee cartoon my daughter found the other > night...a story of a meat > > woman and a vegetable man... > > > > > http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/wpt/shorts/shorts_viewer.html?0045_sht.swf. This was Amazing! Awesome! hehehehe Herbie ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:26:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: cute kitties!!! > > From: "Brian Hoare" > > I fancy the idea of Kim and Robyn doing Dali's Car. > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Andrew D. Simchik wrote: > Do you mean the Peter Murphy / Mick Karn thing? > Or something else? No, he means the Captain Beefheart instrumental, which is actually performed by Zoot Horn Rollo and Rockette Morton IIRC. Don't you, Brian? And while they were at it, they could learn 'Peon' as well! That would keep them off the streets for a week or two ... - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:28:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Nick Drake documentary A documentary on Nick Drake is going round the UK art-cinema circuit: http://www.sidf.co.uk/tour02/a_skin.htm An article in today's Independent also promises an album of demos etc in the near future, including songs written by Nick's mum! - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:04:21 +0000 From: "Spring Cherry" Subject: Plagerism? Im writing today and I had a bit about breaking china. However, I've fiddled with it so that it now reads: - --Go away Azael barked, and he did. There was still a whole lot of crockery to destroy if you liked that sort of thing. He didnt really, but it passed the time.-- I think destroying crockery has a much better ring to it. Any chance Ill be sued for plagerism? Kay, enjoying the God-like powers of fiction _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:31:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Plagerism? On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Spring Cherry wrote: > I think destroying crockery has a much better ring to it. > Any chance Ill be sued for plagerism? > Kay, enjoying the God-like powers of fiction In the words of 'the most brilliant creative genius that America has produced': Plagiarize, let no one else's work evade your eyes, Remember why the good Lord made your eyes, So don't shade your eyes, But plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize... Only be sure always to call it, please, research. (From "Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky" by Tom Lehrer) - - MRG n.p. Jefferson Airplane "If you feel like china breaking" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:24:36 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: i said your words are unclear, better spit out your gum Alex Chilton-- Live in London was so sloppy sounding I sold my copy back in the 80s. I now only have 3 songs from it on a vinyl comp., so can't put them on CD, but (since it's out of print) will put them on tape for anyone who wants (as slowly as I do everything). I saw Chilton in full slop mode at 9:30 in the early 80s. Last saw him w/ Billy Bragg at Lisner in early 90s. He was very together then, witty, great guitar, but apparently hadn't gone over things w/ the pick-up band much. He had a legal pad of lyrics (& changes? can't remember if it was where the bassist could see it) which he leafed thru like no, not that, this one. His impassive bass player had country music manicured hair & beard, sunglasses, & c&w tweed jacket and looked exactly like Kenny Rogers. The drummer was similar. The other guitarist looked like a junior Richard Hell, black clothes, punk moves that wouldn't stop. He should have called them The Memphis-New York Connection. The bass & drums watched Chilton like hawks to see what they had to do next, the guitarist didn't care. My guess about the Soft Boys on Live in London is that they didn't get to rehearse w/ him. - --- Robyn Sings-- Hey! Give that title back to Jonathan Richman! The reverse of some people here, I love Visions of Johanna, but suspect I won't want to listen all the way thru to dear Robyn's version. For me it's Sacred Dylan. I look forward to his Not Dark Yet & other acoustic numbers, including semi-Sacred 4th Time Around, a great song despite re-using Norwegian Wood. I really look forward to the electric stuff -- The Band was already great by Albert Hall, but w/ rhythm music, new versions always come alive for me, as long as they're not too slavish. - --- Poole, Esq. on S.Ct./Jim Crow/Dred Scott, & the Ralph effect-- Basically agree, but when you get into Jim Crow & older race stuff, you also get into the value of radicalism. A lot of law breaking went into breaking first slavery, then Jim Crow. I know, it's a dilemma. You break laws self-righteously, you're in a weird group: Gandi, King, Jesus, Socrates, Fawn Hall ... Kay, Godwin & MJ's cape-- My theory is that the cape was because a few years back he was so blown away by cape-wearing James Brown on the T.A.M.I. Show (the Stones had to come on *after* "Please, Please, Please" demolished the house). Brown probably didn't want to be Satan, just Don Juan or Zorro or something. Anyway, it was Ken Kesey & the Grateful Dead's idea to bring in the Hell's Angels to such events. So there. Altamont was the Grateful Dead's fault. New Speedway Boogie my nose! Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:06:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: i said your words are unclear, better spit out your gum On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, ross taylor wrote: > I saw Chilton in full slop mode at 9:30 in the early 80s. Last saw > him w/ Billy Bragg at Lisner in early 90s. He was very together then, > witty, great guitar, but apparently hadn't gone over things w/ the > pick-up band much [snip] The bass & drums watched Chilton like hawks to > see what they had to do next, the guitarist didn't care. My guess > about the Soft Boys on Live in London is that they didn't get to > rehearse w/ him. I think it is an absolute _con_ when people appear in front of a paying audience with an unrehearsed band. I blame Chuck Berry for starting the trend, but at least (as he points out) everyone knows his songs. I definitely have a problem with Alex Chilton - people keep recommending him to me, but his stuff is so unmemorable I just can't concentrate on listening all the way through any of the numbers. I'd rather hear J J Cale or Gene Clark or Gram Parsons or Arthur Alexander or Jerry Lee Lewis. I did like 'Cry like a baby' but that was probably because of the electric sitar sound. > Anyway, it was Ken Kesey & the Grateful Dead's idea to bring in the > Hell's Angels to such events. So there. Altamont was the Grateful > Dead's fault. New Speedway Boogie my nose! From a UK p-o-v it seemed a crazy idea to have bikers doing security, but all I've got to go on is the Maysles film. Presumably the Dead had previously run successful shows with Hell's Angels security. Was there ever an official enquiry into Altamont? What started the aggro in the first place? - - Mike Godwin n.p. Transmaniacon MC, BOC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:33:33 -0500 From: Brian Subject: 2 halves for the price of 1 In case anyones looking for a copy of the Soft Boys 2 halves for the Price of 1 LP, there's one on ebay for $8.99 with no bids. Auction up in a day: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=851726857 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #94 *******************************