From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #93 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, March 21 2002 Volume 11 : Number 093 Today's Subjects: ----------------- A call for help!!! ["Walker, Charles" ] Robex Chilcock ["Walker, Charles" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #92 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Angus Rew and Bon Hitchcock ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: ECMA / Java / Script ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] the lonesome death of... ["Natalie Jane" ] And who's Ian Penman when he's at home? ["victorian squid" ] RH opener ["Michael Wells" ] Tales from the Underwater... online [bayard ] As the Magnetic North Pole leaves Canada, we go there... ["Stewart C. Rus] RE: You are not Thee ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: And who's Ian Penman when he's at home? ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: And who's Ian Penman when he's at home? [Michael R Godwin ] robyn sings [badly drawn woj ] Re: robyn sings [Aaron Mandel ] Re: robyn sings [Mike Swedene ] Glass Flesh's girlish goosebumps ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Pipe-dream ["Spring Cherry" ] Re: Pipe-dream [Brian ] RE: You are not Thee ["Kenneth Johnson" ] Re: Pipe-dream [Michael R Godwin ] best news ever (100% Oasis ass-kicking content) ["Jason R. Thornton" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:50:21 -0800 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: A call for help!!! Hey everyone out there in Feg-land. My friends' band could use your assistance. They are in a survey to pick the four top bands to play in a show and they are currently running 5th. So they could use some help. Here is how: Two of my friend's bands are pretty much in - Suitcase and Neidermeyer, but a third needs your help. Please go to this website: http://www.triadstyle.com/burncentercontest.html and vote for KING FLY. By my calculations they are 120 votes out of fourth place and thus in the show. So if you are at work or wherever, leave the site up and every 10 minutes or so vote for KING FLY [You can vote more than once after ten minutes or so]. You can see the power of vote stuffing and fraud before your very eyes! This list goes out to several hundred people so if you all just do this TWICE, we can influence history in a wonderfully un-democratic way. One man one vote? Nonsense I say! If you'd like to hear some music you can go to their website @ http://www.kingfly.net. The other bands' websites that I back are http://www.suitcasetheband.com & http://www.neidertunes.com I thank you as does KING FLY, Chas, Independent from LA ps Forward this to everyone you know who might be interested in stuffing a ballot! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:13:27 -0800 From: "Walker, Charles" Subject: Robex Chilcock >But I've also never gotten to the bottom of the >Chilton/Hitchcock connection. I've seen it >written that Chilton's "Live in London" record >was him supported by the Soft Boys. Including >Robyn? Anyone know more about this? Not Robyn, but Matthew and Morris backed him as the rhythm section for a live album (I've never heard). Nuppy chas in LA replies: heard it once while chasing the love of a pottery-girl in the little hamlet of alfred, ny. it was okay, nothing earthshattering special outside of the odd line-up combo. i think chilton quickly disappeared after that into heroin before being found as a dishwasher in new orleans when someone said, 'dude we need to get you in a studio and away from the palmolive.'dishwashing has never been the same since. http://www.theweeklywalker.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:28:29 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #92 >>So which of the Spinifex monologues... Isn't that that play where Australian grasses talk about their stamens? James (bored bored bored) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:43:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Angus Rew and Bon Hitchcock > From: "Thomas, Ferris" > Subject: Old Pics > > http://www.ochremedia.com/photos/omPhoto.php4?pg=softboys.php4 I noticed that in one of the pictures Kimberly's hair is green. Was that the show when Kimberly got on Robyn's shoulders during a long solo (like how Angus Young used to get on Bon Scott's shoulders), and the ink from Robyn's sweaty green-flowered pants dyed his silver hair gray? That was cool. Now imagine The Soft Boys covering "Let There Be Rock" or Robyn doing "She's Got The Jack." "In the beginning / back in 1960ish / man didn't know about rock 'n roll shows / BUT THERE WAS A FISH!..." Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:48:35 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Angus Rew and Bon Hitchcock Gene offers: > Now imagine The Soft Boys covering "Let There Be Rock" or Robyn doing "She's > Got The Jack." Or opening with "Thunderstruck," straight into "Jailbreak," tossing off a quick instrumental "Bonnie" followed by "Dog Eat Dog," and closing with "Heatseeker." I think I would faint. Michael "put that AC/DC down!" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:52:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: ECMA / Java / Script > From: Tom Clark > > Just for the record, JavaScript is just a deceptively named scripting > language which has nothing to do with Java. True. I think the word Java was bastardized for the name, basically because saying ECMAscript just sounds gross. But try explaining that to most people. I have a hard enough time dealing with recruiters who think that HTML is a programming language and graphics program. "Dang it, Bob, my HTML program won't compile. Did you run the htmlc patch?" "No, sorry. I was hammering the processor rendering those PostScript files with PageMill." Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:30:01 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Angus Rew and Bon Hitchcock On Wed, Mar 20, 2002, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > Now imagine The Soft Boys covering "Let There Be Rock" or Robyn doing "She's > Got The Jack." Now that would be cool. I have been playing the record T.N.T. constantly lately. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:42:34 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: the lonesome death of... >"These songs are approachable only at the dimmest angle of lumpen- >intellectual savvy, a level contaminated by free association and > >subconscious games." The thing that puzzles me here - if Ian Penman loathed the Soft Boys so much, why is he wasting so much impenetrable verbiage on them? Why not a simple "This sucks" (or the British equivalent thereof)? >Fuck you. I hope one of your hands goes evil & >starts hitting you in the back of the head. This is actually an old Estonian curse. >Subject: reap > >R.A.Lafferty NOOO! Fuck! Why are Lafferty, Astrid Lindgren, Chuck Jones, and Spike Milligan all dead, and Dick Cheney is still alive?? I got a science fiction anthology out of the Goodwill bins a few weeks ago (thanks, Carole!) which included Lafferty's "Slow Tuesday Night." He was a wonderfully witty and imaginative writer, often writing short stories that were simply huge and hilarious shaggy dog stories, like the one about the wallpaper city or the giant photographs. I couldn't get through a novel of his, "Past Master," but his stories are to die for and there are many, many of them. Carole in her kindness also lent me a box set of Elliott Smith's first three albums. Whereas "XO" and "Figure 8" slid in one ear and out the other, making no impression en route, "Either/Or" has become firmly lodged in the middle. The s/t album is quite good as well. The distinct whiff of Tortured Artist/Heroin Chic that hovers around Mr. Smith still makes me twitch a bit, but he's a nice guy and he's from Portland so I can let it slide. I still can't listen to "Needle in the Hay" without thinking of that scene from "The Royal Tenenbaums." Brrrr. gnat "you idiot kid" the gnatster _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:44:47 -0800 From: "victorian squid" Subject: And who's Ian Penman when he's at home? On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:41:26 ross taylor wrote: >Ian Penman (quoted in article)-- OK, so here's something I'm curious about. Just who IS Ian Penman? I mean, what publication(s) has he written for, what sort of music did he normally favor, what's his background? Anyone know? >Fuck you. I hope one of your hands goes evil & >starts hitting you in the back of the head. This is excellent. Hey, apropos of absolutely nothing..... Six or seven years ago or so I attempted to translate "Raymond Chandler Evening" into French at the request of one Terry Marks. I found my notes for this yesterday while I was going through some boxes of old papers. Terry, if you're still here, did you ever get ahold of a translation? What did you want it for anyway? loveonya, susan who never did find out how to lurk in French Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 17:35:00 -0800 From: Mark Gloster Subject: Hi... I haven't written in a while, so hi! Since "fegmaniax" means: mee mee mee, I thought I'd give y'all something new to argue abou. I've tried to keep up with the digest and all, but sometimes I get out of the flow and don't know what the hell is going on. That is not to say that I ever exactly did know when my email program would go "boing" and thirty screaming monkeys would say, "It's fucking Bucky dammit or I'll kill you!" or "my knees are bloody from my crawl to Los Angeles to the annual celebration of Brian Wilson is God Day," or "Y'know, I think we should all have sex with Jeff Mangum so he'd be less messed up. Hey, maybe we could all carry his children!" and the unforgettable, "I thank Robyn's stuf iz gitting two commershul, I meen itsts like hees just, like, been listening to 'n'sync 'n' Boyz 2 Men and doesn't do anything, like, 'rijinal anymore, sept wen he did that kung foo song at the show i sawed!" So I've been out of a real job for over a year now. I've been extremely lucky to get thrown scraps as a contractor. It has been better for my head than for the bank account, and I expect that I'll be doing more serious work in the coming months. (As opposed to all that "just kidding work") I start work in early April again on what could be a long contract in California. It should be interesting stuff for a change, but I'll be away from my home and my sweeties. This year I finally qualified for the Nastar national ski race, where I will compete against other old geezers in GS and probably get the biggest time. That happens next week in Park City. I probably mentioned to some of you that our family burgeoned to a huge cast of mostly kittens, then we gave some away and then some came back. We are now sticking with 6 cats. I think we'll keep it at this number unless we suddenly get a huge tract of land (with dwellings too.) I spent a few minutes with an evil browser and mac.com and put up a few pics for your viewing pleasure. I'll put up more from their babyhood and more recent ones when I get some time. http://homepage.mac.com/rubber_shark/Menu1.html It looks good for me catching a Robyn show in the Bay Area, and possibly a Dan Bern show? I may be hangin in da hood with Mr. Uber some soon. Perhaps evil music will ensue. Hope to see lots of you in SF. All the best, - -Markg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:54:20 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RH opener It does look like the information that Mike Viola (Candy Butchers) will be opening some of the RH shows, including Chicago, was correct: http://www.candybutchers.com/index2.htm Michael "how about an RH - Kool & the Gang cover disc next" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:51:11 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Tales from the Underwater... online Hey feggies, Max's most excellent compilation of spoken Robyn is available online as promised. Note that these are Lo-Fi Files... just to give you a taste... the files are small and the sound quality is about half-decent. The directory listing cuts off the file names, but if you point your mouse at them, of course you can see the whole names. If you enjoy these spoken bits a lot, get a CD from someone who was/is on the CD tree for this collection. There are also graphics for your CD inserts. They are here: http://www.glasshotel.net/underwater/ Also, Stewart's Ticket Stub Museum is now here: http://www.glasshotel.net/tickets/ If you have any questions or suggestions on either, please do email me. =b -- http://glasshotel.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 06:32:24 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: As the Magnetic North Pole leaves Canada, we go there... Well, that's us in transit, and me offlist until we get there. My touring addy is the cc. All Good Things, Stewart (and the subject? http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/03/20/north.pole) - -- Stewart C. Russell, Kirkintilloch, Scotland - scruss@enterprise.net "...eat the fruit of the clue tree." - Sam Tracy http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:04:52 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: RE: You are not Thee >Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:42:13 -0500 >From: "Bachman, Michael" >Subject: RE: You are not Thee > > > > So in light of a new thread, or possibly old, what RH songs would > > you have liked to hear the Soft Boys Perform live? Non-Soft Boys > > songs that is. > > I Watch the Cars The Lizard Meat Out of the Picture (but only in a segue after Love Poisoning and Empty Girl :) Strawberry Mind I'm only you Another Bubble The Shapes Between Us... The Devil's Coachman Wax Doll Knife Satellite A Skull, A Suitcase, And A Long Red Bottle Of Wine At least that's the list for my early morning head (and it include 3 ex girlfiends). I consider the SBs and the current loved up Robyn as seperate entities so I've picked from my "poisoned soul alone and doomed" era. I fancy the idea of Kim and Robyn doing Dali's Car. brian _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 01:34:12 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: And who's Ian Penman when he's at home? On 20 Mar 2002, at 16:44, victorian squid wrote: > susan > > who never did find out how to lurk in French Be the rug! - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:45:21 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Where are the Prawns : Not Here I've been told before that prawns never got too close to these in the UK. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/england/newsid_1884000/1884115.stm brian feeling sleekly groomed. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:07:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: And who's Ian Penman when he's at home? On Wed, 20 Mar 2002, victorian squid wrote: > OK, so here's something I'm curious about. Just who IS Ian Penman? I > mean, what publication(s) has he written for, what sort of music did > he normally favor, what's his background? Anyone know? He's a long-established journalist who writes for The Face, The Wire etc etc. I think he may even go back as far as the old days of Nick Kent, Tony Parsons and Julie Burchill in the NME. He was certainly writing for NME in 1979. There's an 1989 interview with Gilliam here: http://www.smart.co.uk/dreams/tgface.htm and an enigmatic photo here: http://www.wolf-fm.co.uk/ian.htm - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 00:02:46 -0500 From: badly drawn woj Subject: Re: Tales from the Underwater... online when we last left our heroes, bayard exclaimed: >The directory listing cuts off the file names, not any more. ;) +w ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:59:25 -0500 From: badly drawn woj Subject: robyn sings details on the dylan disc have been posted to the museum. here's the poop: Robyn Sings is a 2-disc set on Editions PAF, released April, 2002 of Robyn performing all Bob Dylan songs. Electric and acoustic, it incorporates (on one of the discs) the very rare Beautiful Queen CD. It has a full color , 6-panel booklet and liner notes by Robyn. Track listing: Disc stripes 1. Visions Of Johanna 2. Tangled Up In Blue 3. Not Dark Yet 4. 4th Time Around 5. Desolation Row 6. It's All Over Now, Baby Blue 7. Dignity 8. Visions Of Johanna Disc dots 1. Tell Me Mama 2. I Don't Believe You 3. Baby Let Me Follow You Down 4. Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues 5. Leopard-Skin Pillbox Hat 6. One Too Many Mornings 7. Ballad Of A Thin Man 8. Like A Rolling Stone all songs by Bob Dylan Orders being accepted now and the CDs will be shipped upon arrival from the factory, the first week of April. The price for shipment to addresses in the US and Canada is $22, postpaid; for the rest of the world it is $27 postpaid (in US funds only - we suggest using either an international money order in US dollars or PayPal (www.paypal.com ). Currently this is only available through the US office, but at a later date (soon) they'll also be sold through the UK office. Checks or money orders should be payable to The Museum of Robyn Hitchcock and sent to: The Museum of Robyn Hitchcock, POBOX 133, Greenwich, NY 12834 We also accept PayPal: Go to www.paypal.com and make payment to the ID: duplanet@global2000.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:39:32 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: robyn sings On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, badly drawn woj quoted: > Robyn Sings is a 2-disc set on Editions PAF, released April, 2002 of > Robyn performing all Bob Dylan songs. Electric and acoustic, it > incorporates (on one of the discs) the very rare Beautiful Queen CD. I don't think that's quite right... my copy of Beautiful Queen had all of what is now disc 2, but also three tracks (Desolation Row, Baby Blue and Dignity) of disc 1. I'll be ordering it like a good feg, but coughing up that level of dosh for a mere 5 tracks I don't own does sting somewhat. Not that I think they owe anything in particular to those of us who ended up with what was, after all, a promo item. To potential skeptics (Gnat?) I'd like to mention that the original Robyn-Dylan disc was how I first stopped hating Dylan. I was getting into the music, and thought "Wow, Robyn's changed lyrics in covers before but these are completely out there." So I looked up the real lyrics and of course they were no different from what Robyn was singing. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:15:09 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: robyn sings The price for > shipment to addresses in > the US and Canada is $22, postpaid; for the rest of > the world it is $27 > postpaid (in US funds only - we suggest using either I wonder how much money Bob gets for this cd. Out of the $27 how much are HIS royalties? Just curious. Herbie np - CIS101 Intro to Word (yeah, I know.... but I need to boost my GPA :0) ) ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:07:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Glass Flesh's girlish goosebumps I sure do enjoy the Glass Flesh CDs (Bayard, you rock). I like hearing how other people interpret Robyn's songs. But you know which songs I always play over and over? The ones I'm drawn to? The ones I play over and over? The ones sung by women. Am I the only guy who feels this way? Take Charisma-TRON's rendition of "Satellite." When she whispers "The next time I get into you, I swear to god I won't come out again..." (real close to the mic; nice switch on the vocal there, btw) it just really grabs me. More so than when Robyn himself sings it. Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:11:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Robynizer version .01a I have an idea. One of you Perl-enabled programmers out there could write a script which would take song lyrics and replace random words with types of fish and insects, vegetables, and the names Reginald and Dennis. You could also pull words out of the DSM-IV, too. Anybody remember the ogrizer? A program which would convert usenet posts and song lyrics to Nivek Ogre-speak? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:13:38 -0500 From: Brian Subject: Re: robyn sings At Thursday, 21 March 2002, Herbie Hancock wrote: >The price for >> shipment to addresses in >> the US and Canada is $22, postpaid; for the rest of >> the world it is $27 >> postpaid (in US funds only - we suggest using either > >I wonder how much money Bob gets for this cd. Out of >the $27 how much are HIS royalties? Just curious. Well, it depends on a variety of factors like how long each song is and how many CDs were printed. I think the info is buried somewhere in this site: http://www.songfile.com/ Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:48:49 +0000 From: "Spring Cherry" Subject: Pipe-dream Tom: Thanks for the book revew on "Next." Here is my impossible pipe-dream of what happens to the music industry. Its disappears as such. This is how. Robyn and a few like-minded artists(I have my wish list, Im sure you have yours)get together and put up a site. On this site is all of Robyn's catalog( yes, I know, its a dream, remember)as well as the other artists'. You can preview songs for a small annual fee but if you choose to download you put a tick on your paypal account. Its not all that much cause there is no middleman and little overhead so it all goes directly to the artist. The reason there is little overhead is cause the site is actually put-up and operated by fans who get free music in return. Same goes for any lawyers, accountants etc. Expenses are handled by barter. Fans of the artists also run a radio station on the site, put up all sorts of pages, have listserves, in short, cooperate as a community to make the hub site as excellent as possible. Which attracts attention and generates publicity. Similar type sites crop up. Soon, being on a major label is seen as well, way uncool, not to mention, unprofitable, stupid and sad. They melt away, like mist before the morning. Hey Tom, and you think -you're- naive. - ------------- Soft Boys Repetoire Yes "The Crawling" and "Tell Me About Your Drugs." Both are in my top 10 Robyn songs of all time so yes yes yes. "Bass" wouldnt be bad either;-) And do you think he'll ever do "Glass" and "Glass Hotel" as the same number? - -------------- Ed >Yeah, any similarity to Altamont would be cool in my book --- well, except >for the stabbings and the beatings with pool cues and the hell's angels >and, >good god, worst of all, that f**king CAPE that Mick was wearing (worse even >than THOSE PANTS). LOLROTCASOTS No man, you know what was even worse than the fucking cape man, the fucking whining. -- I tell you, Satan must have been sooooooooooooo pissed at Jagger. I mean, after getting the Stones to give him all that great PR, the idiot boy had to go out dressed in a stupid shiny superguy cape, pretend to be this powerful sexy devil, and then ... whine at murderers. I mean, even the human sacrifice barely makes up for that shit. Oy, did I really live thru the 60s;-? - ----------------------- Ross, you are full of suprises. The Soft Boys backed Chilton? 1/2 of the SBs? Details, details. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Subject: Re: Pipe-dream At Thursday, 21 March 2002, Spring Snow wrote: >Ross, you are full of suprises. >The Soft Boys backed Chilton? 1/2 of the SBs? >Details, details. > http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Ajpdyyl2jxpeb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:12:48 -0800 From: "Kenneth Johnson" Subject: RE: You are not Thee >The Lizard a shame you don't live near or in Portland. we were treated this rarity on the Underwater tour I have no need for the Soft Boys to play songs the Egyptians or the Rock Armada have, would or should. Soft Boys/early Hitchcock I would have liked to hear include: Wading through your Ventilator Out of the Picture When I was a Kid Wey Wey Hep a Hole We like Bananas (hehe) Kenneth ****** "When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" --Eleanor Roosevelt "I love America more than any other country in the world and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually." - -- James Baldwin "What does it matter to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?" -- Mahatma Gandhi _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:33:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Pipe-dream On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Spring Cherry wrote: > No man, you know what was even worse than the fucking cape man, the fucking > whining. -- I tell you, Satan must have been sooooooooooooo pissed at > Jagger. I mean, after getting the Stones to give him all that great PR, the > idiot boy had to go out dressed in a stupid shiny superguy cape, pretend to > be this powerful sexy devil, and then ... whine at murderers. I mean, even > the human sacrifice barely makes up for that shit. I also like the bit where the Airplane stagger offstage and start moaning "Hey man, they're beating up _musicians_ out there!" [subtext: audiences, well, they deserve to get beaten up, but not people like us...] > Oy, did I really live thru the 60s;-? Oh yes, no doubt about it! - - Mike Godwin PS I see that Knox from the Vibrators played the guitar on that Chilton record. Bearing in mind that Pat Collier produced Underwater Moonlight, that's two Vibrators linked with the Soft Boys. How come such an anti-punk group got mixed up with a pop-punk outfit like that? n.p. Baby Baby, The Vibrators ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:53:58 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: best news ever (100% Oasis ass-kicking content) Oasis frontman Liam Gallagher came to blows with former Spandau Ballet singer Tony Hadley (remember Spandau's 1983 smash hit "True?") backstage at a Travis gig at London's Wembley Arena last week. According to U.K. tabloid The Sun, Hadley, a friend of Gallagher's ex-wife Patsy Kensit, merely approached the Oasis frontman in a friendly manner and said, "How are you?" Gallagher reportedly responded, "Fuck off, you cockney cunt!" Punches started flying and bouncers reportedly had to separate the two musicians before things got any uglier. According to a friend of Hadley, Gallagher nearly got his teeth kicked in. "Tony's a big guy, and he wasn't having any of it. Liam was about to get a pasting from the bloke who sang 'True!'" from http://cdnow.com/misstruth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:58:25 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: You are not Ralph Kenneth: >When I was a Kid It's a shame you don't live near London, or have the opportunity to travel there on business (like me), for we were treated to this rarity at the 1/25/02 (25/01/02 for you UK'ers) show at the Garage. >Wey Wey Hep a Hole This was the first RH or SBs song I ever heard and I was treated to an acoustic (unusual?) version at my very first RH show (7/27/90, Chicago, at the dear departed Lounge Axe). >We like Bananas This was among the songs I used to sing to my son Max when he was a baby (he's 6 now); when he got his first Fisher Price tape player, this was one of the 1st songs he requested a tape of (along with the "Silly Hat" song from Blue's Clues). In what seems a bizarre non sequitor to the uninitiated who may overhear, Max still is apt to remark, while in the supermarket, "Daddy, you like these because they have no bones!" (indicating bananas). - --- As you may have guessed, the Ralph in the title refers to Mr. Nader, whom I saw at Borders in DC last night (I must say I felt a bit frivolous and low-brow to be holding a copy of the "Zoolander" DVD while he spoke. Unlike some, I did not undergo a conversion upon hearing the man speak, though the experience did confirm my overall impression of the man: an honest, straight-shooting, decent and committed guy, who passionately believes in the progressive and reformist causes which he espouses, but who is both hopelessly unelectable and oddly narrow in his outlook. For example (as to the last point), his (to me naive) belief that true reform can be achieved if truly democratic expressions of popular sentiment were able to be heard and enacted, by the removal of the corrupting influence of corporate and other special interests, seems to miss a critical point: even if this state of affair were to be achieved, it would do nothing to curb the "tyranny of the majority" that is as great (if not a greater) threat to individual liberties and true freedom. This blind spot is exacerbated (or perhaps is synonymous with) his well-publicized down-playing of the importance of the US Supreme Court. That institution, as Nader utterly fails to understand, plays (or should play) the all-important role of checking the encroachment of rights guaranteed by the Constitution from popular and/or legislative abuses. In other words, "pure" democratic expression can, and does, threaten to weaken or violate individual rights -- the Jim Crow South being the paradigmatic example. There, the democratically elected representatives of the majority of Southern citizens systematically violated and negated the social and legal rights of black citizens. The Supreme Court of the 1950's and 1960's invalidated such discriminatory laws on the basis, primarily, of the 14th Amendment's guarantee of Equal Protection of the laws. The Warren Court took a lot of heat for overriding the popular will of democratically elected legislatures. However, that is just the point -- our Constitution provides for certain guaranteed rights that may not be abrogated simply because of majority of the people believe that it is a good idea to do so. Thus, when a majority of Coloradans amended their constitution to prohibit state and local governments from enacting legislation to outlaw discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, the Supreme Court (even the Rehnquist Court, mind you!) found that creating such an enormous burden on the rights of a group of citizens to petition their government (to override the amendment, proponents of sexual orientation anti-discrimination measures would first have to amend the state constitution), Colorado denied Colorado's gays and lesbians equal protection of the laws. (This is because other groups, seeking similar anti-discrimination measures for their own protection, would need only secure a majority vote in favor of the proposed legislation). Ralph, however, fails to grasp this fundamental concept. Until he does -- and until he recognizes that the appointment of Supreme Court Justices is the most important power vested in the Executive (besides, possibly, the powers as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces), I just cannot jump on the bandwagon. Still, I'm glad he's out there, agitating every day. I have little doubt that we would have seen the passage of McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform, if not for "the Ralph Effect" on US politics. This, perhaps, is where his influence will be the greatest -- while unelectable, he has the power (and the constituency -- one which is almost as motivated as the forces aligned behind the Religious Right cause) to force his ideas and reforms into national debate and, eventually but inevitably, the ones that most resonate with the American people will be co-opted by the major political parties. (witness, for example, the similar "Perot Effect" -- before 1992, Warren Rudman and Phil Gramm were just about the only major political figures who supported a balanced federal budget. By the 1996 campaign, both parties had embraced the idea as central to their economic policy, and Clinton was well on his way to delivering the first balanced federal budget in a generation). - -ed "my misanthropy prevents me from embracing unfettered democracy" poole. ****** "When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" --Eleanor Roosevelt "I love America more than any other country in the world and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually." - -- James Baldwin "What does it matter to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?" -- Mahatma Gandhi _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. 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