From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #88 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, March 15 2002 Volume 11 : Number 088 Today's Subjects: ----------------- wow [Jill Brand ] they most certainly do [Jill Brand ] Max is Underwater? [Christopher Hintz ] Re: NYC ["Michael Wells" ] Re: the ozzzzzbournes [steve ] RE: the iiiiiiiiiiPods [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: geography made simple [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Recording the tour/trades. [Mike Swedene ] Apple-lications [drew ] Re: Apple-lications [Ken Weingold ] Creation? Science? [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Recording the tour/trades. ["matt sewell" ] Geography and minor geekish starf*king [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dign] Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) ["matt sewell" ] Re: the ozzzzzbournes [Christopher Gross ] Blinkey the pig ["Prim Rose" ] Re: Apple-lications [steve ] Re: Apple-lications [Christopher Gross ] Re: Blinkey the pig [dmw ] RE: Apple-lications ["Poole, R. Edward" ] SBB [mary ] Re: Apple-lications [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Kippled Herrings ["ross taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:13:25 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: wow Tom wrote: Techno-fegs might be interested to hear that I recently was able to NFS export my iPod through my PowerBook and then mount it on my Linux box where I used xmms to listen. This sounds amazing. Does it involve Wesson oil at all? Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:18:06 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: they most certainly do Waitresses in Jewish neighborhoods will CERTAINLY call you "hun" in NYC, but the rest of the sentence will sound different from the way it would in North Carolina. Anyway, although I live in Massachusetts, I'm still a New Yorker at heart, and Washington isn't in the northeast because everything south of Staten Island is the south. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:27:49 -0500 From: Christopher Hintz Subject: Max is Underwater? Who is Max and why is he underwater? How does one get the tales compilation? It wasn't at Amazon, strangely enough. Thank you, that is all. (Still lurking) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:49:28 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: NYC Jill offers: > Anyway, although I live in Massachusetts, I'm still a New Yorker at heart, > and Washington isn't in the northeast because everything south of Staten > Island is the south. And everyone West of the Hudson has hay behind their ears. Yes, we all know the drill. New York like SO rules. So how 'bout them Knicks? Michael "so how 'bout them Bulls?" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:32:18 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: the ozzzzzbournes >> But I can't say that I find iTunes simple, powerful, or fun. I think >> it might be the least usable and satisfying piece of software Apple >> has produced in recent years, unless you count Mail. Neither >> application is bad, but both should have been MUCH much better. On Thursday, March 14, 2002, at 06:58 PM, Fric Chaud wrote: > Oh boy, you gonna *get* it now.... Not so Fric, drew knows the secret handshake. - - Steve __________ Misadvised by a frustrated and panic-stricken attorney general, a president of the United States has just assumed what amounts to dictatorial power to jail or execute aliens. - William Safire ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:41:17 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: the iiiiiiiiiiPods On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Brian Huddell wrote: > > Is that the primary way people are using their iPods? As an adjunct to > a collection stored on a hard drive? I'm just curious. It sounds (and > looks) like a very cool device, but am I right in assuming that it is > geared to people who store their collections on hard disk, and want a > sexy and convenient way to listen with headphones, Walkman style? I > wouldn't have thought that constituted much of a market, which shows how > much I know. Geez...doesn't anybody listen to music anymore by drawing string through the eye of a sewing needle, tying it to a tin can held against the ear, and rigging up a foot-treadle to rotate an Edison cylinder, against which you carefully hold the needle? Godwin? You folks haven't lived until you've heard _White Light/White Heat_ this way. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::I feel that all movies should have things that happen in them:: __TV's Frank__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:43:23 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: geography made simple On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, dmw wrote: > washington dc: is north, because waitresses do NOT call you "hun*" > > baltimore, md: is south, because waitresses DO call you "hun." > > phila, pa; new york, ny etc: are north, not because they are north of the > mason-dixon line, but because waitresses will not call you "hun." Me, I always get called "Attila" - probably because of my table manners. That, or continually sacking the restaurants. Anybody wanna trade an Edison cylinder for some raw, slightly used horsemeat? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Never drive a car when you're dead:: __Tom Waits__ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 21:01:37 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Recording the tour/trades. is there any way WOJ can contact robyn or his peoples and see if we can get a hook up to the soundboard at any or all shows if we supply equipment? or is that too much to ask? Herbie np - "Dope Nose" Weezer Maladroit LP - --- Maximilian Lang wrote: > I know the NYC gig will be recorded eight ways to > sunday. Does the Robyn > community have it's digital devices poised for the > rest of the tour? Also, > any U.K. fegs have any of those post 21st > anniversary S.B. concerts > available for trade? > > Thanks, > Max(who was absotively NOT > kidding about the Ozzy > show) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:03:29 -0800 From: drew Subject: Apple-lications Yeah -- so the flip side of my remarks about Mail is that the perfect email app has not yet been built, which amazes me since in theory it ought to be pretty simple. I was so fed up with email apps that I nearly enlisted my friend who knows code to help me create the ultimate mail app, but for some reason the project never got off the ground. Since we actually live near each other now it seems more feasible. I always think maybe I'll go back to using Eudora, and then I fire it up and try to get started and feel like crying. It's SO unattractive and so clunky in many ways. I used Outlook Express for a while, rationalizing to myself that I used IE (Netscape sucks, Opera sucks, OmniWeb is a steaming pile) so why not another M$ product? I tried Entourage too, on the same rationale. But when I upgraded to OS X, I vowed after much frustration that I would never again use a mail program that didn't store my messages in a text format I could open in an emergency. So I'm using Mail, annoyed with its arbitrary limitations, but not yet desperate enough to submit to pine and the annoyances of mouseless text editing. I'll give Mulberry a look-see and decide if it answers my prayers. > From: Tom Clark I asked: >> Is there any way to uncheck entire albums or artists at a time? > I just turn off the auto update feature. I suppose it's fine if you've > got > 5 gigs or less of music on your Mac, but when it gets bigger (35 gig in > my > case), it's not worth it. I just make playlists and move them > wholesale on > and off the iPod. Seems to work fine. Oh, but I don't have an iPod (yet) -- I'm talking about just using iTunes in general. Playlists seem to be the way to go. > From: dmw > > washington dc: is north, because waitresses do NOT call you "hun*" > baltimore, md: is south, because waitresses DO call you "hun." Finally, a man who knows what he's talking about! > From: gSs > > That is old school thinkin. Texas is no more part of The South than Florida. > From: "Fric Chaud" > > On 14 Mar 2002, at 11:34, drew wrote: > >> But I can't say that I find iTunes simple, powerful, or fun. I think >> it might be the least usable and satisfying piece of software Apple >> has produced in recent years, unless you count Mail. Neither >> application is bad, but both should have been MUCH much better. > > Oh boy, you gonna *get* it now.... I was about to end this post with some apologetic remark about wasting space on this list. I feel much better now. Drew - -- http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 03:27:36 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Apple-lications On Fri, Mar 15, 2002, drew wrote: > Yeah -- so the flip side of my remarks about Mail is that the perfect > email app has not yet been built, which amazes me since in theory > it ought to be pretty simple. I was so fed up with email apps that I > nearly enlisted my friend who knows code to help me create the > ultimate mail app, but for some reason the project never got off > the ground. Since we actually live near each other now it seems > more feasible. "Perfect" is all relative. I use mutt (switched over from elm), and it is indeed perfect. For me. I notice a lot of people here use pine. While personally I never liked pine, I am sure it may be perfect for some of them. Or as the creator of mutt said, "All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less." Anything besides mutt I find too bloated and limiting. > I always think maybe I'll go back to using Eudora, and then I fire > it up and try to get started and feel like crying. It's SO unattractive > and so clunky in many ways. I used Outlook Express for a while, > rationalizing to myself that I used IE (Netscape sucks, Opera sucks, > OmniWeb is a steaming pile) so why not another M$ product? I > tried Entourage too, on the same rationale. But when I upgraded > to OS X, I vowed after much frustration that I would never again > use a mail program that didn't store my messages in a text format > I could open in an emergency. So I'm using Mail, annoyed with > its arbitrary limitations, but not yet desperate enough to submit > to pine and the annoyances of mouseless text editing. Then maybe one of these GUI mailers is for you. Or maybe you're just looking at it the wrong way. The only time I need a mouse for email is for copy/paste, which I can do anywhere. What else do you really find annoying about mouseless text editing? Sounds like maybe you are used to a crappy editor, or don't know how to use the one you had well. I use vim with mutt, which is so powerful that whenever I have to use a GUI mailer with the default notepad/textedit editors, I get so frustrated. So I feel the opposite. Pico, the default Pine editor, is pretty limited, but from what I understand you can do quite a bit for email. If you should decide to come over to the dark side ;-) , here's may some reasons you should check out mutt: . - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:05:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Creation? Science? http://www.channel4.com/news/cgi-bin/search.cgi?link=http://www.channel4.com/news/home/20020314/Story03.htm Aaaaargh! - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:14:31 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Recording the tour/trades. AFAIK, none of the usual suspects (Hi, Tony!) recorded any of them... the Evershot gig was I think recorded but, thanks to an unsuspecting audience member leaning on the MD recorder, was unlistenable... Perhaps there's one of the Notting Hill gigs floating about? Cheers Matt >From: "Maximilian Lang" >Reply-To: "Maximilian Lang" >To: tapermaniax@smoe.org, fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Recording the tour/trades. >Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:35:06 -0500 > >I know the NYC gig will be recorded eight ways to sunday. Does the >Robyn >community have it's digital devices poised for the rest of the tour? > Also, >any U.K. fegs have any of those post 21st anniversary S.B. concerts >available for trade? > > Thanks, > Max(who was absotively NOT kidding about the >Ozzy >show) > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: >http://messenger.msn.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 00:14:12 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Geography and minor geekish starf*king >washington dc: is north, because waitresses do NOT call you "hun*" > >baltimore, md: is south, because waitresses DO call you "hun." > >phila, pa; new york, ny etc: are north, not because they are north of the >mason-dixon line, but because waitresses will not call you "hun." > >virginia: is south. except where it's uptight. waitresses may or may not >call you hun. but everything is named after robert e. lee. > >thinking of the former relationships of berlin, west berlin, germany, and >east germany may be a helpful aid to visualization. > >i certainly hope that clears it all up for you. You guys think you got it tough. If I go north from here, I travel through East Otago and end up in North Otago. If I travel west from here, I go through South Otago and into Central Otago. Travelling southwest I go through West Otago and into Southland. What's worse, in Central Otago there are twin towns called Roxburgh and Roxburgh East. Roxburgh East is due south of Roxburgh. They are all very south, but no-one calls you 'hun' in any of them. 'Mate', yeah, maybe even 'dude', but never 'hun'. >I've never really been happy with any Mac e-mail programs except Claris >Emailer and Pegasus Mail, both of which have gone the way of the dodo. Last I heard David (erm... that's David Harris, creator of Pegasus Mail and fellow Dunedinite, whom I haven't seen for a couple of years) found that when OS X came in it threw up several nasty problems that would need serious rewriting. He thought that by then Pegasus was getting superseded by other programs, so (AFAIK) decided to quit while he was ahead. I could be wrong on that, mind you - as I said, I haven't seen him for a couple of years. A shame, too - I used to seem him socially pretty regularly, and he's a fascinating guy to talk to... I suspect not unlike our friend the Quail (although that maybe just because they share similar interests, such as modern Irish literature). Must get back in touch with him. Oh, and I use that fine program Netscape Communicator [1] for the web and Eudora for email, in both cases largely because they're the ones I got used to at the university, and they serve my purposes well enough. James [1] hey Greg, we agree on something! :) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:58:14 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) - -- gSs is rumored to have mumbled on Donnerstag, 14. Mdrz 2002 19:53 Uhr -0500 regarding Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil): > Netscape rules, though I use pine at home unless some user sends an html > formatted note and I just can't decipher the damn thing and then I'll send > it to a work account or a yahoo for better viewing. And while work has > been assimilated mostly, the novell systems are switching to apache so > thats cool. > > The Netscape Suite, for the vast majority, does pert near everything for > even the high-end internet users and while the security is not without > fault like every other, it is not near as faulty as the entire microsoft > system, Outlook in particular. I agree if you're talking about Netscape 6.2.1 or Mozilla, but Communicator 4.7.9 is a bad joke nowadays. If you have an SMTP server that *offers* SMTP AUTH, Netscape *forces* the user to authenticate! There is no way to disable that! And SSL is only available for IMAP, not for POP. Huh? Support nightmare, let me tell you... Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Winter is coming." (George R. R. Martin, A Song of Ice and Fire) [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:12:40 -0500 From: "Roberta Cowan" Subject: Re: wearing Blossom toes If you are driving south on I-95 along the northeastern corridor the first Waffle House you'll encounter is right at the Maryland/Delaware border. I'm not sure where the next one is but I know you don't really start seeing them regularly until you hit Richmond. So there you have it. Roberta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:11:56 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) I tell you what, I can't wait for the Adolf-mac i-Hitler to come out! Does that count as Godwin's law?! Please?! >From: Sebastian Hagedorn >Reply-To: Sebastian Hagedorn >To: gSs >CC: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) >Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:58:14 +0100 > >-- gSs is rumored to have mumbled on Donnerstag, 14. >Mdrz 2002 19:53 Uhr -0500 regarding Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost >nil): > > > Netscape rules, though I use pine at home unless some user sends an html > > formatted note and I just can't decipher the damn thing and then I'll send > > it to a work account or a yahoo for better viewing. And while work has > > been assimilated mostly, the novell systems are switching to apache so > > thats cool. > > > > The Netscape Suite, for the vast majority, does pert near everything for > > even the high-end internet users and while the security is not without > > fault like every other, it is not near as faulty as the entire microsoft > > system, Outlook in particular. > >I agree if you're talking about Netscape 6.2.1 or Mozilla, but Communicator >4.7.9 is a bad joke nowadays. If you have an SMTP server that *offers* SMTP >AUTH, Netscape *forces* the user to authenticate! There is no way to >disable that! And SSL is only available for IMAP, not for POP. Huh? > >Support nightmare, let me tell you... > >Cheers, Sebastian >-- >Sebastian Hagedorn >Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany >http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ > >"Winter is coming." (George R. R. Martin, A Song of Ice and Fire) > >[demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:29:35 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Creation? Science? Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Aaaaargh! Indeed -- how could anyone let this clanger go unsubbed: # The local education authority says it's # given it's support to the school. ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:20:17 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: the ozzzzzbournes On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Fric Chaud wrote: > Oh boy, you gonna *get* it now.... When I saw the first iPod post yesterday, my immediate reaction was "Uh-oh, Fric bait...." Meanwhile, in the news: LONDON (Reuters) - St. Patrick's Day drinkers of Guinness might be forgiven for thinking they've had a bit too much of the black stuff when they set eyes on the bar staff this weekend. Pint pullers at selected Irish pubs around the world will be wearing specially designed green contact lenses advertising pints of Guinness, the drinks company said Thursday. Guinness said it alighted on the subliminal campaign after research showed that more than half of British drinkers had not decided what to order by the time they reached the bar. "We realized that there's still one place that drinkers have to look: into the eyes of the bar staff taking their order," said David Smith, brand director of Guinness GB. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:33:25 +0000 From: "Prim Rose" Subject: Blinkey the pig Doug: >phila, pa; new york, ny etc: are north, not because they are north of the >mason-dixon line, but because waitresses will not call you "hun." The plot drippens. Because waitresses -do- call you hun in South Philly. - ------------------------ Glenn: >I prefer the song that causes him to blink when he performs it live. I prefer the song that causes us to blink when he preforms it live. - ------------------------ Dead white nurses stockings are a rare collectors item. Deranged nurseaphiles have even been known to hoard them under the delusion that they will keep their value better than hard currency in wartime. Others cultivate them for their aesthetic value alone, growing whole colonies in the rafters. When they start to chirp, they're ripe. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:08:50 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Apple-lications On Friday, March 15, 2002, at 02:03 AM, drew wrote: > OmniWeb is a steaming pile Damn, that's harsh! I use OmniWeb 99% of the time, because of it's beautiful text rendering. If it won't do something I fire up IE. The OmniWeb guys (just a handful, I think) release "sneaky peek" updates every few days. - - Steve __________ Shortly after becoming Attorney General, John Ashcroft was headed abroad. An advance team showed up at the American embassy in the Hague to check out the digs, saw cats in residence, and got nervous. They were worried there might be a calico cat. No, they were told, no calicos. Visible relief. Their boss, they explained, believes calico cats are signs of the devil. - Andrew Tobias, 11/20/01 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:17:29 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Apple-lications Speaking of web browsers, have any of you tried iCab? I used a beta version a year or two ago, and liked it very much. However, that version expired and I haven't tried the latest one yet. - --iChris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:29:54 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: Blinkey the pig On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Prim Rose wrote: > Doug: > > >phila, pa; new york, ny etc: are north, not because they are north of the > >mason-dixon line, but because waitresses will not call you "hun." > > The plot drippens. Because waitresses -do- call you hun in South Philly. well, "South" Philly, there you have it. tho i'm still not quite sure what to make of Jill's revelation that (at least parts of) NYC are arguably southern. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:31:56 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: Apple-lications World Traveler Recently Returned From Portugal (to the delight and relief of the Fegs) Chris Gross had this to say: >Speaking of web browsers, have any of you tried iCab? I used the Mac OS X version for a week or so, but I found it (horrors horrors!) to be slower & less reliable (i.e., sometimes pictures don't load, links disappear until you force a screen refresh) that IE 5.1. And I should mention that I *tried* to like iCab and am still looking for a decent OS X replacement for IE. (to the extent it is relevant, I'm running a G3/400 in an iMac DV). ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. 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But of course this has nothing to do with Jill's revelation that (at least parts of) NYC are arguably southern. s.mary >On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, Prim Rose wrote: > > > Doug: > > > > >phila, pa; new york, ny etc: are north, not because they are north of the > > >mason-dixon line, but because waitresses will not call you "hun." > > > > The plot drippens. Because waitresses -do- call you hun in South Philly. > >well, "South" Philly, there you have it. > >tho i'm still not quite sure what to make of Jill's revelation that (at >least parts of) NYC are arguably southern. > >-- d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:38:45 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Apple-lications - -- Christopher Gross is rumored to have mumbled on Freitag, 15. Mdrz 2002 10:17 Uhr -0500 regarding Re: Apple-lications: > Speaking of web browsers, have any of you tried iCab? I used a beta > version a year or two ago, and liked it very much. However, that version > expired and I haven't tried the latest one yet. It's been my main browser for years. I just like its customisation possibilities. Still no Java under OS X, but I can switch to other browsers for that... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Winter is coming." (George R. R. Martin, A Song of Ice and Fire) [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:02:57 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Kippled Herrings n.-- > I >was utterly horrified and blotted out the "n-word" with a pencil. (I didn't >know about the First Amendment at that time.) There's a Mary Poppins story where the kids are confronted by representatives of all peoples of the world, including some unpleasant stereotypes. I was reading it to my pre-school daughter & started remembering the rest of the story & thinking, oh-oh, I'm gonna have to start editing on the fly again (What - Me - Censor ?), but when I got there the story was different! I later found that P.L. Travers had changed it & had made a point of re-issuing the book. I think in the passage you quote there's at least a touch of sympathetic irony. Of course Orwell, as usual, was right: the Cockneys are lamer than the Indians, in part because he goes to all the trouble of showing their accent which he doesn't do for the Indians. It's like when you see Stephan Foster lyrics written out, "Oh lawd, da troubl' ah seen," where one social group gets its accent described (how accurately?) & you're supposed to know how the others talk. A linguist would put everybody in phonetics. I bet Stephan Foster spoke differently from modern Americans. And re. the n- word, the South, Randy Newman's "Good Ol' Boys" -- gSs-- >living beside a frenchman or a catholic would be better than >living anywhere near a city yankee. !+} There's a hundred thousand Frenchmen in New Orleans In New Orleans there are Frenchmen everywhere Your house could burn down Your baby could drown And wouldn't one of those Frenchmen care - --"The Kingfish" In partial compensation for all this, & perhaps some Robyn connection thru the sitar (isn't there a sitar buried in the mix somewhere on Respect?),I'll mention in DC the Freer Gallery & others are showing a *major* Satyajit Ray festival. Everything he's done, including some rare prints. Tonite I'm going to see "Distant Thunder" at 7, Sunday its "Days and Nights of the Forest" at 2. If anyone else is going, I'll try to wear something identifiable. Ross Taylor in full literary sail, trying to outrun the iPod hurricane Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #88 *******************************