From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #87 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, March 14 2002 Volume 11 : Number 087 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: iPod [Tom Clark ] Re: working tights ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: feg's new superhero ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Cones and Hats ["Mike Wells" ] the ozzzzzbournes [drew ] Re: the iiiiiiiiiiPods [Tom Clark ] "I don't know, I've never Kippled" ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: "I don't know, I've never Kippled" [gSs ] Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) [glen uber ] Re: geography made simple [gSs ] RE: the iiiiiiiiiiPods ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) [Tom Clark ] Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Recording the tour/trades. ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: the ozzzzzbournes ["Fric Chaud" ] Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) [gSs ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:18:53 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: iPod on 3/14/02 9:59 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn at Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de wrote: > -- Eleanore Adams is rumored to have mumbled on > Donnerstag, 14. Mdrz 2002 9:51 Uhr -0800 regarding iPod: > >> Well, i broke down, I couldn't resist any longer. I shelled out the $400 >> for the iPod, and right now am making RH mixes for different moods, as >> well as transfering all my favorite albums.... this is the coolest toy >> ever! > > And of course you couldn't resist making all of us envious either, could > you? ;-) > > Still waiting for PDA functionality... i??? While it's not full on PDA functionality, here's a cool little hack: http://www.ipodorganizer.com/ Techno-fegs might be interested to hear that I recently was able to NFS export my iPod through my PowerBook and then mount it on my Linux box where I used xmms to listen. The iPod's music directory structure is kinda messy so it's really not that easy to find exactly what you're looking for, but it was a neat exercise nonetheless. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:19:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: working tights > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > Ah - so the trend of killing white nurses to steal their stockings has, > unfortunately, reached you too? First rule of Dead White Nurses Stocking Club, you do not talk about Dead White Nurses Stocking Club. Second rule of Dead White Nurses Stocking Club, you DO NOT talk about Dead White Nurses Stocking Club. Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:22:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: feg's new superhero > From: badly drawn woj > > And what Coneman collection would be complete without ONE DOZEN NEW TRAFFIC CONES!? Hey, why don't one of you Fegs buy these and bring them all to Robyn at one of his upcoming shows? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:24:43 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Kipling & Co. - -- ross taylor is rumored to have mumbled on Donnerstag, 14. Mdrz 2002 11:18 Uhr -0500 regarding Kipling & Co.: > I will actually defend Rudyard Kipling (I guess > more controversial than the Odyssy). He's my > A-Number One Fav Racist Classist Sexist War- > Monger Imperialist Pig. He's one of those > schizo writers who writes so well it takes him > out of himself & into other selves. His starter > self writes "Take Up the White Man's Burden," > but some of his other selves are Hindu or > Muslim-born free-thinkers or Cockney fatalists. > THis shows up in stories like "The Miracle of > Purun Bhgat," or "Without Benefit of Clergy." > The Just So Stories have some wonderful fantasy > & I find it easy to side-step his bad side, but > your mileage may vary. And there are lots of > people to read. Thanks. I guess I'll put it on my public wishlist on amazon.de. It's gotten so long that it's still a surprise even if somebody just picks something off it. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Winter is coming." (George R. R. Martin, A Song of Ice and Fire) [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:28:50 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Cones and Hats > Hey, why don't one of you Fegs buy these and bring them all to Robyn at one of > his upcoming shows? Actually, I had considered that - bringing a cone to dinner beforehand that could be feg-autographed and givin to RH for his nefarious purposes on the road. How will you know me? I'm the one in the: http://www.hatsinthebelfry.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code= H&Product_Code=A9CH&Category_Code=ZO Michael "only if they have an XXL, i've got quite a melon" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:34:23 -0800 From: drew Subject: the ozzzzzbournes > From: "Maximilian Lang" > > Has anyone watched the Osborne's on MTV? I have never laughed harder > in my > life. I was to the point of tears repeatedly. Maybe it's just me. This > show has to be seen to be believed. You've got to be kidding. I had to struggle to make it to the first commercial. Maybe I just caught a bad episode but I found the entertainment value close to nil, just like every other turd MTV squeezes out these days. > From: steve > > Consumer warning: The Salmon Of Doubt was offered a number of years ago > as the third Dirk Gently novel. Orders were taken, but the book was > never published. I was surprised when Harmony announced that it would > be, because it didn't seem likely that there would be anything like a > near complete manuscript, considering how much time had passed without > any hint of progress. Thus the subtitle, Hitchhiking The Galaxy One > Last Time, because there are only 40 odd pages of new fiction. The rest > of the book is articles, interviews, and such. Worth having for Adams > fans, I suppose, but *not* anything near a novel. I'm fine with that, especially if it's a better read than _Mostly Harmless_. > From: "Poole, R. Edward" > > Yes, you are so right -- the iPod was my Christmas bonus/present for > myself > (like I need an excuse, right). Together with iTunes, I just cannot > believe > how simple and powerful (and fun) these tools are (once again, Macintosh > uber alles). I seem to be doing nothing but bitching today, which is odd because I'm not really in a bad mood, considering that I've been invited to audition for the improv troupe whose workshops I've just finished. But I can't say that I find iTunes simple, powerful, or fun. I think it might be the least usable and satisfying piece of software Apple has produced in recent years, unless you count Mail. Neither application is bad, but both should have been MUCH much better. > Once you get past 5 GB of music on your hard drive, make sure > you have updated to the latest version of iTunes -- then, if you > uncheck the > box to the left of a song in your music library, it will not get updated > onto the iPod automatically (and, if it is already there, it will be > erased > from the iPod when you do an automatic update). Is there any way to uncheck entire albums or artists at a time? I can't believe the iTunes designers didn't understand that a lot of us think of our music hierarchically, so maybe there's a feature I'm missing. Drew - -- http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:43:50 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: the iiiiiiiiiiPods on 3/14/02 11:34 AM, drew at drew@stormgreen.com wrote: >> Once you get past 5 GB of music on your hard drive, make sure >> you have updated to the latest version of iTunes -- then, if you >> uncheck the >> box to the left of a song in your music library, it will not get updated >> onto the iPod automatically (and, if it is already there, it will be >> erased >> from the iPod when you do an automatic update). > > Is there any way to uncheck entire albums or artists at a time? I can't > believe the iTunes designers didn't understand that a lot of us think of > our music hierarchically, so maybe there's a feature I'm missing. > I just turn off the auto update feature. I suppose it's fine if you've got 5 gigs or less of music on your Mac, but when it gets bigger (35 gig in my case), it's not worth it. I just make playlists and move them wholesale on and off the iPod. Seems to work fine. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:47:31 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: "I don't know, I've never Kippled" >The Just So Stories have some wonderful fantasy >& I find it easy to side-step his bad side, but >your mileage may vary. I inherited my mom's ancient copy of the Just-So Stories. When I was a young 'un, I was reading "How the Leopard Got His Spots" and came across a passage where the leopard suggests that the Ethiopian get some spots as well; the Ethiopian replies, "Oh, plain black's all right for a nigger." I was utterly horrified and blotted out the "n-word" with a pencil. (I didn't know about the First Amendment at that time.) Anyway, I really like the Just-So Stories (aside from the n-word), especially the drawings with their elaborate captions that answer any question a small inquisitive child might have about them. Kipling's feel for the psychology of a small child is very acute. Orwell wrote one of his typically eloquent essays about Kipling, though the gist of it mostly eludes my memory. I do remember him saying that Kipling's poems would be a lot more affecting if he hadn't written them in fake Cockney dialect. n. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:22:26 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: geography made simple washington dc: is north, because waitresses do NOT call you "hun*" baltimore, md: is south, because waitresses DO call you "hun." phila, pa; new york, ny etc: are north, not because they are north of the mason-dixon line, but because waitresses will not call you "hun." virginia: is south. except where it's uptight. waitresses may or may not call you hun. but everything is named after robert e. lee. thinking of the former relationships of berlin, west berlin, germany, and east germany may be a helpful aid to visualization. i certainly hope that clears it all up for you. - -- d. in the north, with old ironlung alibis, seldom mistaken for atilla (nurses? WHAT nurses?) * well, very rarely, a waitress may be a relocated southerner who doesn't know better. or a nurse, i suppose. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:37:28 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: "I don't know, I've never Kippled" On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Natalie Jane wrote: > I inherited my mom's ancient copy of the Just-So Stories. When I was a > young 'un, I was reading "How the Leopard Got His Spots" and came across a > passage where the leopard suggests that the Ethiopian get some spots as > well; the Ethiopian replies, "Oh, plain black's all right for a nigger." I > was utterly horrified and blotted out the "n-word" with a pencil. (I didn't > know about the First Amendment at that time.) In at least two different encyclopedias, one being world book and the other american people's encyclopedia until at least 1959, they had for racoon, along with other information: considered a delicacy among southern negroes. I know a great number of southern negroes and have never seen anyone treat racoon as a delicacy. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:49:03 -0800 From: glen uber Subject: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) drew wrote: >But I can't say that I find iTunes simple, powerful, or fun. I think it might be the >least usable and satisfying piece of software Apple has produced in recent >years, unless you count Mail. Neither application is bad, but both should >have been MUCH much better. I think iTunes is great for everyday use as a player and occasional burning, but I'm not sure how it would hold up if I were ripping and mixing and burning everyday. For the hardcore stuff, I suspect I'd use something like Chaotic Software's MP3 Rage. This little wonder is an outstanding piece of software that contains an MP3 player, search and download abilities (using OpenNap and Gnutella protocols) through its Ragester component, an ID3 Tag editor, a catalog feature, the ability to generate text files based on ID3 tag info, and much more. Oddly enough, it doesn't allow one to burn CDs. You still need to use iTunes or Toast for that. Despite this glaring omission, MP3Rage is well worth the 25 bucks. I tend to agree with you about Mail. I was really looking forward to that feature in OS X and, in fact, upgraded because it was there. Needless to say, I was extremely disappointed with it. It just seemed kinda, I don't know, bland? Unfinished? Uninspired? Currently, I am using CTM Development's PowerMail both at home and at work and like it enough not to go hunting for something else right now. There are things I don't like about it, such as the chintzy address book, the clumsy compose window and the lack of ability to rename a folder by simply clicking on its name. For now, it suffices, but just barely. I've never really been happy with any Mac e-mail programs except Claris Emailer and Pegasus Mail, both of which have gone the way of the dodo. While I love Pegasus for Windows (IMHO the best piece of freeware anywhere on any platform), I don't want to have to use Windows or install Virtual PC simply to read mail. I truly love certain aspects of Eudora, but I think it is lacking in certain areas such as powerful filtering, multiple identities and random signatures. I also used the free version, so the rotating ads were a bit annoying. I thought the freeware app Green Mail was really slick-looking, but it still kinda felt like a Beta product to me. Outlook Express is okay, but its IMAP functionality sucks. Entourage requires the rest of the Empire's(tm) bloatware, so I haven't used it much except on other people's machines. Besides, I already use another Contact Manager, so I might as well just use OE. Eventually -- most likely sooner rather than later -- I will be looking for another mail app. Perhaps I'll shell out for the full version of Eudora; maybe I'll give Green Mail another try. Hell, maybe I'll just install Pine and read mail through my terminal like in the olden days. What do the other Mac-folk around here use? Which mail programs do you use -- or have you used in the past -- that seem to contain the best permutation of pleasing interface, strong filtering, extensive address book (with import and export features), native OSX functionality, and low (reasonable) price? RH content: He's cool! - -- Cheers! - -g- "I drink when I have occasion, and sometimes when I have no occasion." - --Miguel de Cervantes, Don Quixote +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ glen uber blint at mac dot com Just one piece of advice you might be able to use: SEVENTEEN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:14:12 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: geography made simple That is old school thinkin. Actually there are two ways to determine yankeedom and both have their advantages. Texans consider anything north of the red river, east of the mississippi and then starting just about 100 miles east of las vegas and proceeding right up until the pacific and of course intersecting with the horizontal line from the red river, as a yankee. Then there is the new age theory of yankeedom and it has more to do with whether you live in an unincorporated area or not and if not then whether you live in a town with anymore than 1500 residents or within 20 miles of a town that has a population of more than 3750. These then are divided into two groups: A. just plain yankees and B. city yankees This is in direct opposition to the Texas Theory which rates all yankees as equal. Though, it is nearly universally accepted that living beside a frenchman or a catholic would be better than living anywhere near a city yankee. !+} gSs On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, dmw wrote: > washington dc: is north, because waitresses do NOT call you "hun*" > > baltimore, md: is south, because waitresses DO call you "hun." > > phila, pa; new york, ny etc: are north, not because they are north of the > mason-dixon line, but because waitresses will not call you "hun." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:25:20 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: the iiiiiiiiiiPods Tom: > I just turn off the auto update feature. I suppose it's fine > if you've got > 5 gigs or less of music on your Mac, but when it gets bigger > (35 gig in my > case), it's not worth it. I just make playlists and move > them wholesale on > and off the iPod. Seems to work fine. Is that the primary way people are using their iPods? As an adjunct to a collection stored on a hard drive? I'm just curious. It sounds (and looks) like a very cool device, but am I right in assuming that it is geared to people who store their collections on hard disk, and want a sexy and convenient way to listen with headphones, Walkman style? I wouldn't have thought that constituted much of a market, which shows how much I know. I'm pretty happy with my solution for storing and cataloging a large and growing collection. My friend designed a custom app that gets its data from M3U playlists. To add a title you just upload the playlist. The app sits on a Cold Fusion server so it's accessible over the web, and we use it to share our collections within a small group. I store my collection on CDRs, currently 161 disks holding approximately 1600 tiles (albums, box sets, a few mixes) -- about 110 gigs. The database is searchable by song, artist, etc... Search results tell you what CD a title appears on. Grab the specified CDs and feed them to the CDR/MP3-capable device of your choice (which, in my arsenal, includes a DVD player and a car stereo -- no portable yet). I wouldn't suggest it's better, but it certainly addresses my needs better than the iPod as I understand it. And no incredibly valuable little piece of hardware for me to lose in a bar, which I would, I would. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:33:49 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) on 3/14/02 12:49 PM, glen uber at blint@mac.com wrote: > What do the other Mac-folk around here use? Which mail programs do you > use -- or have you used in the past -- that seem to contain the best > permutation of pleasing interface, strong filtering, extensive address > book (with import and export features), native OSX functionality, and low > (reasonable) price? > I use Entourage for many reasons. It fulfils all of your above criteria except for the reasonable price. It looks great, has a great address book, understands Outlook scheduling, and is very flexible in it's filtering. I hate the fact that you need the rest of Office v.X to go along with it though. I mean, I use PowerPoint and Excel maybe once a year. I used to love CE Software's QuickMail. We used that at Apple back in the old days and it was gobs of fun creating your own forms. If you've ever used it you know what I mean. > RH content: He's cool! Agreed. Especially that song where he mentions the fish - that just slays me!! ;^) - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:19:57 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) - -- glen uber is rumored to have mumbled on Donnerstag, 14. Mdrz 2002 12:49 Uhr -0800 regarding Apple-lications (RH content almost nil): > I tend to agree with you about Mail. I was really looking forward to that > feature in OS X and, in fact, upgraded because it was there. Needless to > say, I was extremely disappointed with it. It just seemed kinda, I don't > know, bland? Unfinished? Uninspired? I guess it's OK for people who just use what comes with the OS. With the recent updates it's at least on par with, say, Outlook Express but without the blatant security holes. But I'd been hoping for more as well. > Currently, I am using CTM Development's PowerMail both at home and at > work and like it enough not to go hunting for something else right now. > There are things I don't like about it, such as the chintzy address book, > the clumsy compose window and the lack of ability to rename a folder by > simply clicking on its name. For now, it suffices, but just barely. Doesn't cut it for me. See below. > I've never really been happy with any Mac e-mail programs except Claris > Emailer and Pegasus Mail, both of which have gone the way of the dodo. I've never used Pegasus and while Em@iler 2 was OK I could never use it, because ... (see below) > I truly love certain aspects of Eudora, > but I think it is lacking in certain areas such as powerful filtering, > multiple identities and random signatures. I also used the free version, > so the rotating ads were a bit annoying. I actually don't mind them, but Eudora is so out of touch! The SSL support absolutely stinks! I'm postmaster for Cologne University and I've just set up a new server with STARTTLS enabled versions of POP, IMAP and sendmail. Supporting Eudora is hell because we are using our own CA, not one of the big commercial ones. > Outlook Express is okay, but its IMAP functionality sucks. Actually I think it's a bit better than Eudora's. > Eventually -- most likely sooner rather than later -- I will be looking > for another mail app. Perhaps I'll shell out for the full version of > Eudora; maybe I'll give Green Mail another try. Hell, maybe I'll just > install Pine and read mail through my terminal like in the olden days. I'm also one of the people who started with pine and the first version of Eudora. I still use pine every once in a while > What do the other Mac-folk around here use? Which mail programs do you > use -- or have you used in the past -- that seem to contain the best > permutation of pleasing interface, strong filtering, extensive address > book (with import and export features), native OSX functionality, and low > (reasonable) price? Thou shalst not tempt me! There can be no doubt about the best mailer on the planet: it's Mulberry, of course! ;-) The main reason I can't use some of the programs you have mentioned is that they have no (Em@iler) or just plain bad IMAP support. Many years ago I've made the switch to IMAP (administering your own server helps), and I wouldn go back to POP for anything. Once you know that IMAP rules your world you don't have many choices. Most mailers treat IMAP as an afterthought. They are first and foremost POP clients with an IMAP add-on. Execept for Mulberry there is no GUI application that takes IMAP seriously. Well, almost...: I have to admit that Mozilla is getting better and better. It's what I recommend to people who don't want to spend money. Mulberry is $35, but I can and do run it on Mac OS 9, Mac OS X, Linux and Solaris 8 (well, also Windows if you must...). I paid my 35 bucks years ago and every upgrade so far has been free. There is a very active discussion list and the main developer answers requests personally and often implements them as well. Of course there are still things missing, but I'm very very happy with Mulberry. If you want to check it out (free demo at www.cyrusoft.com) you really need to take the time to get over the initial bumps. > RH content: He's cool! Who's he? Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Winter is coming." (George R. R. Martin, A Song of Ice and Fire) [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:24:23 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) - -- Tom Clark is rumored to have mumbled on Donnerstag, 14. Mdrz 2002 13:33 Uhr -0800 regarding Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil): > I used to love CE Software's QuickMail. We used that at Apple back in the > old days and it was gobs of fun creating your own forms. If you've ever > used it you know what I mean. When I used to work for GRAVIS, Germany's largest Apple store chain, we had that. It was OK because it was for internal use only and I agree that the forms could be quite funny but ultimately it could not last because of its proprietary system. Greetings, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Winter is coming." (George R. R. Martin, A Song of Ice and Fire) [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:54:07 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: DC, mormons, underwater, performance art >>underwater >thanks also to whoever typed all that into whatever cddb is now. > >mel That was me. The artwork does not list all the trax, only the Underwaters, so I figured the logical thing to do would be to submit it to the CDDB. I meant to tell people about this but forgot, thanks for reminding me. thanks, Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:14:11 -0800 From: glen uber Subject: Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) On Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:33 PM, Tom Clark wrote: >I use Entourage for many reasons. It fulfils all of your above criteria >except for the reasonable price. It looks great, has a great address book, >understands Outlook scheduling, and is very flexible in it's filtering. >I hate the fact that you need the rest of Office v.X to go along with it >though. I mean, I use PowerPoint and Excel maybe once a year. I'm in the same boat. I no longer use Word for various reasons, not the least of which is the cost. I use Nisus Writer (still waiting for Carbonization) at home and AppleWorks at work. 95 % of the time, Apple Works 6.2 does a really nice job of translating to and from Word. On the rare occasions that it can't read a document, I just bring the document into BBEdit and cut and paste. I used icWord, a .doc viewer that allows viewing, copying and printing, for ahile and recommend it for those who don't want or can't afford to use Word itself but need to read .doc-uments. I know what you mean about PowerPoint and Excel, too. I don't remember the last time I used PowerPoint and very rarely use Excel, even for work-related tasks. I did use Excel 98 to set-up and manage a football pool this past year, but I'm certain it probably wasn't the best tool for the job. >I used to love CE Software's QuickMail. We used that at Apple back in the >old days and it was gobs of fun creating your own forms. If you've ever >used it you know what I mean. I just downloaded a demo and am using it right now. Really cool! I like what I see so far, especially the address book. I'm gonna test drive it for a few days and see if it subplants PowerMail on my system. >Agreed. Especially that song where he mentions the fish - that >just slays >me!! ;^) I prefer the song that causes him to blink when he performs it live. - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:35:06 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Recording the tour/trades. I know the NYC gig will be recorded eight ways to sunday. Does the Robyn community have it's digital devices poised for the rest of the tour? Also, any U.K. fegs have any of those post 21st anniversary S.B. concerts available for trade? Thanks, Max(who was absotively NOT kidding about the Ozzy show) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:58:58 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: the ozzzzzbournes On 14 Mar 2002, at 11:34, drew wrote: > But I can't say that I find iTunes simple, powerful, or fun. I think > it might be the least usable and satisfying piece of software Apple > has produced in recent years, unless you count Mail. Neither > application is bad, but both should have been MUCH much better. Oh boy, you gonna *get* it now.... - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 19:53:55 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Apple-lications (RH content almost nil) On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > I guess it's OK for people who just use what comes with the OS. With the > recent updates it's at least on par with, say, Outlook Express but without > the blatant security holes. But I'd been hoping for more as well. Netscape rules, though I use pine at home unless some user sends an html formatted note and I just can't decipher the damn thing and then I'll send it to a work account or a yahoo for better viewing. And while work has been assimilated mostly, the novell systems are switching to apache so thats cool. The Netscape Suite, for the vast majority, does pert near everything for even the high-end internet users and while the security is not without fault like every other, it is not near as faulty as the entire microsoft system, Outlook in particular. gSs ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #87 *******************************