From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #86 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, March 14 2002 Volume 11 : Number 086 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Nice Job Max ["Maximilian Lang" ] The Osborne's. ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: The Osborne's. [Tom Clark ] feg's new superhero [badly drawn woj ] wearing Blossom toes ["Snow Drop" ] Working nights ["Snow Drop" ] Re: In Dennis' Country ["Michael Wells" ] Balderdash Bob, and Jesus in the northeast [grutness@surf4nix.com (James ] Re: feg's new superhero ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Free fish [steve ] Re: Balderdash Bob, and Jesus in the northeast ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Kipling & Co. ["ross taylor" ] Re: wearing Blossom toes [Miles Goosens ] RE: Kipling & Co., Working nights ["Brian Huddell" ] iPod [Eleanore Adams ] Re: iPod [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: wearing Blossom toes ["Chris Franz" ] iPod Adoration ["Poole, R. Edward" ] RE: Not the Beatles [Michael R Godwin ] RE: wearing Blossom toes ["Poole, R. Edward" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:20:23 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Nice Job Max thanks everyone. Max _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:25:51 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: The Osborne's. Has anyone watched the Osborne's on MTV? I have never laughed harder in my life. I was to the point of tears repeatedly. Maybe it's just me. This show has to be seen to be believed. Not an Ozzy fan, Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:36:27 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: The Osborne's. on 3/13/02 2:25 PM, Maximilian Lang at maximlang@hotmail.com wrote: > Has anyone watched the Osborne's on MTV? I have never laughed harder in my > life. I was to the point of tears repeatedly. Maybe it's just me. This > show has to be seen to be believed. > Agreed! I really don't know what to add except I wish it was on HBO so they didn't have to bleep all the profanity. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:19:41 -0500 From: badly drawn woj Subject: feg's new superhero +w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:29:19 +0000 From: "Snow Drop" Subject: wearing Blossom toes Well, if you ask me (and you all did, right?) Mike Well's mixes are the best. My mixes are actually abit of a hazard. First of all, the balances are - -never- level(that smacks of having actual technological know-how, egad no), my idea of song continuity is usually stylystically incongorous, and, icing on the cake, I rerecord over prior stuff and stray bits still may stick out. In short, like most things I do, it borders on chaos. But thank you Mike(blush.) I still really love that Telacastors cut. - ------------------ Washington DC, Mason Dixon line or not--is part of the Northeast. I agree with Mel. Its not just Amtrack, in the War Between the States, I dont exactly rememeber Washington as the capitol of the Confederacy. And when rednecks start cracking on "The Northeast Establishment" Washington is in the mix. - ----------------- Ross: >With all the God talk I was wondering if Mike Godwin would trump the discussion w/ something >like "I actually saw Jesus once, at an open-air event in Gallilee ... you could hardly hear him, >there were dozens of other people prophesizing ... can't remember what he was wearing, must've >been something ordinary.. He was wearing his Blossom Toes. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 01:31:54 +0000 From: "Snow Drop" Subject: Working nights One of the perks of dealing with the public is your constant exposure to performance art. Now sitting in our Newspaper Dept is a woman, thou I must tell you I use that term causiously, for this woman looks astonishingly like Ron Wood's kohl-eyed uglified kid brother. If it were not for her protuberently belladacious potrine I would swear drag queen. As it is, Im at a loss for words. Anyway this woman is wearing a gold sequened long party dress with a high split in it to show off her dead white nurse's stockings and platform-heeled blacks boots. Her hair is died goth black and is so bad I am now pleased to say I have seen a hairdo more unkempt than my own. Now, you may wonder what takes her past merely cool with tude and into the areana of the truelly sublime. Two things: The little yellow rubber duckie and Michael Jackson. The little yellow duckie is so she can breathe, or so she has explained to the guards. She holds it up to her nose and inhales as if doing a very very long line. I suggested to the guards that they let me help them investigate this strange instrument, but no amount of insistance on my part could persuade them to confiscate it and allow me to test it(merely my professional duty, as I see it. Killjoys.) And Michael Jackson? Well, she's here becasue of him. She had his baby in 1995 and it was reported in one of the newspapers. She dosn't remember which one thou, so she's going thru them all. Yes Fegs, I have done it. I have found the real Billie Jean. Should I call the National Inquirer? Working nights does have its compensations. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:53:48 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: In Dennis' Country Thus spake the Godwin: > PPS I was reading through the cast list of 'Life of Brian' (1979) recently. > One of the characters played by Cleese is called 'Reg'. Significant? The > Radio Times cast list also mentioned a character called 'Dennis', but > there is no character of that name in the imdb cast list. And none in the movie, AFAICT. I was piqued enough to rewatch the movie over the last couple of nights...and no Dennis characters were to be had, either in the film or credits. Of course, with this lot that's no guarantee; 'Dennis' could have been a joke character, family member name, whatever thrown in just for shits. Of course, there is the constitutional muckraker "Dennis" in Holy Grail... Michael "there's some lovely filth down here" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:25:44 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Balderdash Bob, and Jesus in the northeast >Y'all are aware that Bob Marley *is* more or less a deity - at any rate, a >highly honored and respected personage - in much of the "third world"? We >think of him in the US primarily as "that reggae guy" - but that's only a >minor part of his status elsewhere, I gather. Anyone know more? I'm not >exactly into the whole reggae/Rastafarian thing... well, he's regarded as a major prophet by a lot of Rastafarians worldwide, I think... certainly he's regarded that way by Maori Rastafarians (it's a fairly sizeable movement). I note that no-one has considered mentioning Geldof. Or Newhart, for that matter :) >> Well, given that Maryland is south of the Mason-Dixon I don't think that >> it can be called the "northeast". for fear of mentioning things US... I'd have thought the whole of Bosnywash was regarded as northeast, with Washington being the southernmost point of that. >Actually fritiliaries are a Spanish desert >pastry dusted w/ powdered sugar ... I assume >everyone here is a whiz at playing Balderdash... heh... my favourite game... even though the group I usually play it with has one person who insists that almost everything is a Bengali word for elephant dung. >With all the God talk I was wondering if Mike >Godwin would trump the discussion w/ something >like "I actually saw Jesus once, at an open-air >event in Gallilee ... you could hardly hear him, >there were dozens of other people prophesizing >... can't remember what he was wearing, must've >been something ordinary..." what was that he said about cheesemakers? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:56:47 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: feg's new superhero badly drawn woj wrote: > > dies with a stylesheet not found. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 02:01:54 -0600 From: steve Subject: Free fish I remember that someone expressed a strong hankering for the new Douglas Adams book. It just so happens that I have a galley that I'd be more than happy to pass on to that person, if I could remember who it was. So if you are he (iirc), drop me a line with your address. I've only the one copy, so.... Consumer warning: The Salmon Of Doubt was offered a number of years ago as the third Dirk Gently novel. Orders were taken, but the book was never published. I was surprised when Harmony announced that it would be, because it didn't seem likely that there would be anything like a near complete manuscript, considering how much time had passed without any hint of progress. Thus the subtitle, Hitchhiking The Galaxy One Last Time, because there are only 40 odd pages of new fiction. The rest of the book is articles, interviews, and such. Worth having for Adams fans, I suppose, but *not* anything near a novel. - - Steve __________ The Bush administration repealed a rule this week that would have allowed government agencies to refuse federal contracts to companies that do not comply with labor, environmental and consumer-protection laws. - Neil Irwin, Washington Post, 12/28/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:34:32 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Balderdash Bob, and Jesus in the northeast James Dignan wrote: > > ... almost everything is a Bengali word for elephant dung. maybe it's like the mythical Innuit thesaurus entry for "snow"... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:19:28 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: oh mahna mahna can this really be the end, to be stuck inside of Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > is that story part of the Jungle Books > or (perhaps) the Just So Stories? the latter, I think. Contrary to Ross's assertion, I did have to look up the name of the poem, and pasted the text from kipling.org. RK is dimly thought of in Scotland -- colonialism is so over -- but at least he was a renewable energy pioneer... > "Winter is coming." (George R. R. Martin, A Song of Ice and Fire) Also a song by Elf Power, which I strongly recommend. Stewart - -- Stewart C. Russell, Kirkintilloch, Scotland - scruss@enterprise.net "...eat the fruit of the clue tree." - Sam Tracy http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:10:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: oh mahna mahna can this really be the end, to be stuck inside of On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, ross taylor wrote: > With all the God talk I was wondering if Mike Godwin would trump the > discussion w/ something like "I actually saw Jesus once, at an > open-air event in Gallilee ... you could hardly hear him, there were > dozens of other people prophesizing ... can't remember what he was > wearing, must've been something ordinary..." :) I tell you one thing, those so-called 'loaves' were no bigger than the little mini-Hovises I used to eat all the time. And they could have done with a bit more leavening too. As for the fishes, they were what the Greeks call 'small fish'*. * I was once at a barbecue in Patras and they offered us these very small fish. We asked 'What fish are they?'. And the reply was 'small fish'. 'Yes, but what kind?'. 'That's what they are, small fish'. - I suppose they were actually fresh-grilled sardines or pilchards. [Whoops, there goes my vegetarian credibility]. - - Mike Godwin PS Acts I never saw include Bob Marley and the Wailers, Elvis with Scotty and Bill (they never came to the UK), Eddie Cochran, Buddy Holly, the Beatles, Country Joe and the Fish, the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Elmore James, and Robert Johnson (who died in 1938). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:26:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: oh mahna mahna can this really be the end, to be stuck inside of On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Contrary to Ross's assertion, I did have to look up the name of the > poem, and pasted the text from kipling.org. RK is dimly thought of in > Scotland -- colonialism is so over -- but at least he was a renewable > energy pioneer... George Orwell's essay on Kipling is excellent, particularly his observation that 'Kipling is the only English writer of our time who has added phrases to the language'. See: (NB I thought that Orwell discussed 'Stalky & Co' in this essay, but that must be in 'Boys' Weeklies'). Kipling wrote masses of stuff. My instinct is that 'The gardener' is his best story, but the one about the house haunted by children's ghosts is alarming too. And that thing about the mill-wheel, though it's a bit too obviously meant to symbolise something. He's also very good on work, usually engineering (perhaps that's where the Scottish connection appears?). There's also a memorable story about colonial administrators fighting the spread of a plague IIRC. And what's the one about the ghostly troop of Roman soldiers? I always thought that JRRT nicked that for his 'Paths of the Dead' sequence. As far as the early funny ones go, I like the stories in 'Soldiers Three' and in his sensational debut 'Plain Tales from the Hills'. He's a big influence on Somerset Maugham, I think. And without 'Stalky & Co.' there would be no 'Mike at Wrykyn' or 'Billy Bunter at Greyfriars', so it must be a good thing(?). And, by extension, no 'Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone'! There is an impressive Kipling site at: - - Mike "Memphis with the" Godwin PS I won't ask 'Do you like Kipling?' :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:38:25 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Working nights On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Snow Drop wrote: > dress with a high split in it to show off her dead white nurse's stockings Ah - so the trend of killing white nurses to steal their stockings has, unfortunately, reached you too? - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::pushing the pencil not the envelope:: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:18:08 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Kipling & Co. Sebastian & Stewart-- I will actually defend Rudyard Kipling (I guess more controversial than the Odyssy). He's my A-Number One Fav Racist Classist Sexist War- Monger Imperialist Pig. He's one of those schizo writers who writes so well it takes him out of himself & into other selves. His starter self writes "Take Up the White Man's Burden," but some of his other selves are Hindu or Muslim-born free-thinkers or Cockney fatalists. THis shows up in stories like "The Miracle of Purun Bhgat," or "Without Benefit of Clergy." The Just So Stories have some wonderful fantasy & I find it easy to side-step his bad side, but your mileage may vary. And there are lots of people to read. - --- Jill, Mel, Sumi-- > And then someone wrote in response: > Actually we have a Mormon temple here in DC That was me, and yes DC was plopped into a swamp so it could be right in the middle of the new country. As Kennedy said, "Northern charm and Southern efficiency." - --- Max Mixing-- Looking forward to "fish" really about as much as the Dylan disk. I will also put forward the spoken (shouted) word of The Jerky Boys. THo that can overwhelm a tape...I was introduced to them by a friend. It can be a drag to have a friend who's a Jerky Boys fan. - --- I'll second the vote for Kay's mixing ability. Give her three points of reference, so she can triangulate, and she'll hit the target dead center. - --- Mike Godwin didn't see the Beatles. I feel better now. Ross Taylor Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:43:59 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: wearing Blossom toes At 11:29 PM 3/13/2002 +0000, Snow Drop wrote: >Washington DC, Mason Dixon line or not--is part of the Northeast. I agree >with Mel. Its not just Amtrack, in the War Between the States, I dont >exactly rememeber Washington as the capitol of the Confederacy. I'd think having a large Union military encampment there for most of the war (there were moments in April and May of 1861 where it wasn't that well-guarded) had a lot to do with it too. :-) Not to mention DC being the property of the federal government rather than of Maryland and Virginia -- even if it had been wildly pro-slavery instead of part of border area slave state culture, there just wasn't a mechanism in place that could have allowed for DC to secede. And the capitol of the Confederacy for most of the war was only 100 miles away. :-) >And when >rednecks start cracking on "The Northeast Establishment" Washington is in >the mix. I think that Washington and Baltimore count as part of the "Northeast" *now,* if you have a "Northeast" defined more by current-day culture and less by geography. Now we have the giant Boston-NYC-Philly-Baltimore-Washington megalopolis. There's a cultural change that's gone along with it. In the 1860s, Maryland and Virginia were both slave states, and Baltimore was so notoriously southern-leaning that citizens attacked the 6th Massachusetts in April 1861 as it was marching through town to change trains (this and fear of a pro-secession vote in the Maryland legislature led Lincoln to suspend habeas corpus in the state). Loyalties weren't as pro-Southern as you'd find at points further south, but they were at least divided. Even as late as H.L. Mencken's career the Baltimore/Washington area still had a southern caste. I don't feel that way when visiting the areas now. As ex-V-Roy Scott Miller says in "AmTrack Crescent," "must have been pretty on the Eastern Shore / now it's more New York on down to Baltimore." The Baltimore-Washington corridor is all subdivision/shopping mall/subdivision/shopping mall, filled with military and federal employees, whose accents mark them as hailing from in a warehouse in Silver Spring. And despite the "Pigtown" episodes of HOMICIDE, present-day Baltimore itself seems squarely in the Yankee camp to me. This could all be a matter of perspective, since I've spent my life south of the Mason-Dixon line, but Washington and Baltimore feel more like greater Boston and New York than they feel like Atlanta or Nashville, much less Charleston or Mobile. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:44:31 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Kipling & Co., Working nights Ross Taylor: > Mike Godwin didn't see the Beatles. I feel > better now. Yes, but he's too modest to mention that he *did* see the Quarrymen. With George. Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey: >> dress with a high split in it to show off her dead white nurse's stockings > Ah - so the trend of killing white nurses to steal their stockings has, > unfortunately, reached you too? Contact me off list so I can tell you where to send my replacement keyboard. You can have this diet-coke-sprayed one if you like. +brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:49:31 -0000 From: "mel" Subject: DC, mormons, underwater, performance art Kay - ohmigod that was great. i'm so jealous. why don't i see things like that when i have to have contact with the public? Miles Goosens said: > The > Baltimore-Washington corridor is all subdivision/shopping > mall/subdivision/shopping mall, filled with military and federal employees, > whose accents mark them as hailing from in a warehouse in Silver > Spring. And despite the "Pigtown" episodes of HOMICIDE, present-day > Baltimore itself seems squarely in the Yankee camp to me. hey you forgot us NPO employees. and besides i think the warehouses tend to be in rockville not silver spring. pigtown episodes? after living in baltimore i would argue that there are little pockets there that seem to be trapped in their own little universe time wise. those pockets aside i guess you're right. but then again i think of all this as eastern and not N or S. underwater thanks also to whoever typed all that into whatever cddb is now. oh yeah - last but not least the mormons. was near the kensington temple last night which really looks fabulous and dramatic in the rainy misty weather we're having. a friend of mine reports having seen them dim the lights late at night so maybe that's why they were out. mel - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:51:37 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: iPod Well, i broke down, I couldn't resist any longer. I shelled out the $400 for the iPod, and right now am making RH mixes for different moods, as well as transfering all my favorite albums.... this is the coolest toy ever! eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:59:51 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: iPod - -- Eleanore Adams is rumored to have mumbled on Donnerstag, 14. Mdrz 2002 9:51 Uhr -0800 regarding iPod: > Well, i broke down, I couldn't resist any longer. I shelled out the $400 > for the iPod, and right now am making RH mixes for different moods, as > well as transfering all my favorite albums.... this is the coolest toy > ever! And of course you couldn't resist making all of us envious either, could you? ;-) Still waiting for PDA functionality... i??? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Winter is coming." (George R. R. Martin, A Song of Ice and Fire) [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:03:12 -0800 From: "Chris Franz" Subject: Re: wearing Blossom toes RE: wearing Blossom toes(me quoting Miles Goosens quoting Snow Drop): > >Washington DC, Mason Dixon line or not--is part of the Northeast. I agree > >with Mel. Its not just Amtrack, in the War Between the States, I dont > >exactly rememeber Washington as the capitol of the Confederacy. >I'd think having a large Union military encampment there for most of the >war (there were moments in April and May of 1861 where it wasn't that >well-guarded) had a lot to do with it too. :-) My understanding is that when the Maryland House of Delegates was going to vote on the issue of secession, many of those in favor had been -jailed- at the orders of president Lincoln, in what one would think was violation of their Constitutional rights. (I may be wrong, as it's been a long time since I've studied the history of my home state.) But a look at Article I, section 9 reads: - - The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless - - when in Cases or Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. Miles G again: >I think that Washington and Baltimore count as part of the "Northeast" >*now,* if you have a "Northeast" defined more by current-day culture and >less by geography. Now we have the giant >Boston-NYC-Philly-Baltimore-Washington megalopolis. This is probably true, though I think it's worth distinguishing between Baltimore/Washington and the rural areas around them. The tobacco-growing regions on the Eastern Shore (in fact, most of the Delmarva peninsula) have far more in common with their Southern brethren than with the Northeast, and even the rural areas that can be found not far from DC have a pretty southern feel to them. >And despite the "Pigtown" episodes of HOMICIDE, present-day >Baltimore itself seems squarely in the Yankee camp to me. Oof... do NOT say this to a baseball fan. - - Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:02:07 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: iPod Adoration Thus sprake Eleanore Adams: >Well, i broke down, I couldn't resist any longer. I shelled out the $400 >for the iPod, and right now am making RH mixes for different moods, as >well as transfering all my favorite albums.... this is the coolest toy >ever! Yes, you are so right -- the iPod was my Christmas bonus/present for myself (like I need an excuse, right). Together with iTunes, I just cannot believe how simple and powerful (and fun) these tools are (once again, Macintosh uber alles). Once you get past 5 GB of music on your hard drive, make sure you have updated to the latest version of iTunes -- then, if you uncheck the box to the left of a song in your music library, it will not get updated onto the iPod automatically (and, if it is already there, it will be erased from the iPod when you do an automatic update). I've got about 9 GB of music in the computer, and this feature (which was not available in the last version of iTunes), makes it incredibly easy to manage my music -- especially, to add and subtract big chunks of music that I don't want all the time (like a bunch of Soft Boys bootlegs, which really shouldn't take up 20% of the space all of the time, but when I'm in the mood...) If you are interested, I'm up for a session of further rhapsodic fawning over your new toy -- also, be sure to check out: http://www.ipodhacks.com for their tips & tricks (especially the suggestions and links for iPod protective cases), although I steer clear of the more radical (and risky sounding) hacks. Yours in iPod adoration, - -ed ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. This communication may contain material protected by attorney-client, work product, or other privileges. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering this confidential communication to the intended recipient, you have received this communication in error, and any review, use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, copying, or other distribution of this e-mail message and any attached files is strictly prohibited. If you have received this confidential communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail message and permanently delete the original message. To reply to our email administrator directly, send an email to postmaster@dsmo.com Dickstein Shapiro Morin & Oshinsky LLP http://www.legalinnovators.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:46:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: RE: Not the Beatles > Ross Taylor: > > Mike Godwin didn't see the Beatles. I feel > > better now. On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Brian Huddell wrote: > Yes, but he's too modest to mention that he *did* see the Quarrymen. > With George. Ho ho and stuff. My serious hanging out at gigs phase was basically between late 1966 and 1974, so I missed the Merseybeat boom completely. I think that the only genuine Merseybeat band I ever saw was Freddie and the Dreamers. It must have been the blessed and much-missed Student Grant that enabled me to catch all those great late-sixties outfits. I have posted a list of 10 good ones at for anyone interested! - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:56:38 -0500 From: "Poole, R. Edward" Subject: RE: wearing Blossom toes RE: wearing Blossom toes(me quoting Miles Goosens quoting Snow Drop): > >Washington DC, Mason Dixon line or not--is part of the Northeast. I agree > >with Mel. Its not just Amtrack, in the War Between the States, I dont > >exactly rememeber Washington as the capitol of the Confederacy. >I'd think having a large Union military encampment there for most of the >war (there were moments in April and May of 1861 where it wasn't that >well-guarded) had a lot to do with it too. :-) Chris Franz: >My understanding is that when the Maryland House of Delegates was going to >vote on the issue of secession, many of those in favor had been -jailed- at >the orders of president Lincoln, in what one would think was violation of >their Constitutional rights. (I may be wrong, as it's been a long time >since I've studied the history of my home state.) But a look at Article I, >section 9 reads: >- The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless >- when in Cases or Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it. There is little doubt that Lincoln's wartime suspension of certain rights (including the suspension of habeas corpus, the seizure of certain anti-Union newspapers, "preventative" arrests, and trial of civilians by military tribunals w/o due process protections) was an exercise of extra- (or un-) constitutional powers. Indeed, Chief Justice Taney held as much, sitting on a Circuit Court in 1861: "[The military] thrust aside the judicial authorities and officers to whom the constitution has confided the power and duty of interpreting and administering the laws, and substituted a military government in its place, to be administered and executed by military officers." (Ex Parte Merryman, 17 Fed. Cas. 144, 153 (D. Md. 1861)). Taney has been judged by history to be correct as a matter of constitutional construction -- even in time of War, the federal government does not have the right to "suspend" operation of the Constitution. Indeed, Taney's words make him sound like a stalwart protector of civil liberties, even under the most extreme circumstances (the Supreme Court of the 1940s could have done well to review Taney's Merryman opinion before ordering hundreds of thousands of Japanese Americans into concentration camps, based solely on the supposed needs of wartime security). However, remember that this (Taney) is the same man who, in the Dred Scott case, nationalized the slavery issue by declaring that (1) even free blacks could not be citizens of their states or of the US, and (2) that the Missouri Compromise was unconstitutional (because, supposedly, "substantive" due process prohibits Congress from depriving citizens of their "property" (i.e. slaves) merely because they traveled to a free soil territory). (The Oregonian fringe should take note that Taney's invocation of substantive due process -- the theory that the Due Process Clause has a "substantive" element that prevents arbitrary or unreasonable deprivations of property or rights (no matter how fair or "due" the procedures for such deprivation) -- was the first in Supreme Court jurisprudence, and led directly to the late 19th and early 20th century Constitutionalization of laissez faire economics (on the theory that governmental economic regulation -- such as minimum wage and maximum hour laws -- violated the capitalists' "substantive due process" property rights). On the other hand, the historical question regarding Lincoln's actions is not as clear as the Constitutional analysis -- after all, Lincoln did only what he felt was necessary to preserve the Union -- and, thus, to safeguard for future generations those Constitutional rights that he was forced to suspend for a period of time. Moreover, it is not at all clear that Constitutional protections run to persons residing in territories that renounced the Constitutional government through secession. Finally, on whether Washington DC should be considered part of the "South" - -- certainly the majority of DC citizens (and I'm not counting the transient government-employed population) considers it to be. Moreover, in 1954 (when Brown v. Board of Education came down), DC was very much a part of the Jim Crow segregated South. Still, I like the Amtrak argument. I think, however, it is more accurate to call DC (and Maryland and Delaware) the "Mid-Atlantic" region. - -- Ed "don't get me started on economic substantive due process" Poole ============================================================================This e-mail message and any attached files are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s) named above. 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