From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #84 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 13 2002 Volume 11 : Number 084 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: In God's Country (Slight Return) ["Michael Wells" ] Re: HM Reg, Fid Def [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] RE: In God's Country (Slight Return) ["Brian Huddell" ] Miyazaki in SF (NR) [steve ] Re: bob's house ["matt sewell" ] Re: mahna mahna? [Michael R Godwin ] Re: mahna mahna? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] FA: Robyn Hitchcock Cone, signed by The Soft Boys ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: bob's house [gSs ] Re: bob's house [gSs ] Robyn is playing in Austin, TX on April 23? ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Robyn is playing in Austin, TX on April 23? [badly drawn woj ] Re: Robyn is playing in Austin, TX on April 23? [badly drawn woj ] share my day - no RH [Eleanore Adams ] Re: bob's house ["matt sewell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:13:55 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: In God's Country (Slight Return) Mr. Huddell: > Well, yes, here we have something that I agree *is* a significant > arbiter of social behavior in the US: a shatteringly high percentage of > us are fuckbrained, drooling morons. No more or less, perhaps, than anywhere else. > Anti-intellectualism, the fear of > ideas, is the true American religion. Atheists are a threat, less for > their relationship to god, than for their unsettling tendency to think > *way* too much. Easy, obvious answers rule here, a fantasy called > "common sense" rules here, and challenges to the orthodoxy of linear > thought are met with suspicion and ridicule, if not outright hostility. Athiesm and free-thinking, non-linear behavior are two seperate issues, and it's a very broad statement that athiests are maltreated only because their proclivity for thinking brands them as a rebel operating outside an orthodox structure. I've met a fair number of people who claimed to be athiest based solely on the idea that orthodox religion was BAD, and it was hip to not buy into it...not because they had a well-reasoned scientific reason for doing so. I found their behavior condescending - 'oh, he's another stupid jesus freak' - and contrarian, perhaps similiar to what you're feeling on your end. I found their viewpoint was rather orthodox and devoid of development, not mine. The corner of the UCC in which I spent my latter formative years facilitated non-linear questioning of one's own faith. Free-thinking was encouraged and developed. Questions were asked. Tolerance was preached. I don't know, maybe other churches are wildly different. Mine was pretty cool, though like Mr. Clark I later tired of some of the things found in the higher organizational structure. Thus began the seperation between what I believed and how I felt it should be administered. IMVHO personal spiritual development is inherently non-linear, yet it can take place in all kinds of environments - including orthodox ones. > That's oppressive, that's something I feel when I'm trying to live my > life, that's something that gets in my way. I sincerely hope that, for the most part, this is not the case. It is troubling if you feel that way, in that it must be happening. Mr. Clark: > but the sheer hypocrisy and murderous aggression shown by organized religion in > the past 2000 years completely betrays the underlying fantasy of there being > any forgiving, all-loving, invisible deity. No, I think it points out that religion and spirituality are two different things. JH3: > As long as we all seem to be coming clean on our religious > beliefs (or lack thereof), I might as well join in, I suppose. > Obviously my experience was slightly different from that > of most folks; after being born in the cloning factory I was > assigned to a Philosophical Taoist household, where I was > politely (but firmly) asked to bake macrobiotic cookies for > the community ashram on alternate Thursdays. That wasn't > too bad, but the constant harping on the "need for 99.44% > purity" was so intensely distracting that I became, in effect, > a psychotic nihilist, prone to unnecessary silliness, flights of > fancy, and an overwhelming hatred of the Electoral College. A psychotic nihilist? Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Rock on, JH3. Michael "I'll give you two figureheads (one slightly used) and minor deity for that gourd" Wells "(but) your God is not my God...that's why there were four solo Kiss records to choose from. One man's Ace Frehley is another man's Peter Criss." - Dennis Miller ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:24:38 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: bob's house On 11 Mar 2002, at 18:07, gSs wrote: > I wish they had named god, bob. Bayard once pointed me here: http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSCanadiana02/0115_nwt-cp.html - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:27:36 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: HM Reg, Fid Def >PS While we're on religious matters, I've just seen: > >The Bishop of Birmingham apparently wants the Queen to be sacked as Head >of the CofE. But would she lose her 'Fid. Def.'? Could be a problem. ISTR someone mentioning that the Fid Def has nothing to do with the Anglicans. Isn't it (ironically) the Roman Catholic fid that she's supposed to def? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:43:04 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: In God's Country (Slight Return) Michael Wells: > I've met a fair number of people who claimed to be > athiest based > solely on the idea that orthodox religion was BAD, and it was > hip to not buy > into it...not because they had a well-reasoned scientific > reason for doing so. > I found their behavior condescending - 'oh, he's another > stupid jesus freak' - > and contrarian, perhaps similiar to what you're feeling on > your end. I found > their viewpoint was rather orthodox and devoid of > development, not mine. My term for people like that is "asshole". I don't think atheists have any more right than anyone else to criticize other people's religious beliefs. And certainly those who come by their beliefs in the manner you describe have nothing to feel smug about. I keep my mouth shut about what people *believe*. Try to, anyway. > > That's oppressive, that's something I feel when I'm trying > to live my > > life, that's something that gets in my way. > > I sincerely hope that, for the most part, this is not the case. It is > troubling if you feel that way, in that it must be happening. The "that" that I find so oppressive is this: "Easy, obvious answers rule here, a fantasy called "common sense" rules here, and challenges to the orthodoxy of linear thought are met with suspicion and ridicule, if not outright hostility." I guess my use of the word "orthodoxy" could make it seem like I'm talking about religion but I'm not. In fact, what I was thinking about at the moment was the impossibly narrow definition of "patriotism" that has been so much a part of our lives since 9/11. Try telling someone in the grocery line that you think the most patriotic act a citizen can perform when the country is at war is to question the administration at every turn. Honestly, I'm not backpedaling. I just didn't make myself understood, and I apologize if I appeared to disparage anyone's beliefs (beyond the fact that I reject them utterly). cheers, +brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:53:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: In God's Country (Slight Return) Brian Huddell wrote: > The "that" that I find so oppressive is this: "Easy, obvious answers > rule here, a fantasy called "common sense" rules here, and challenges > to the orthodoxy of linear thought are met with suspicion and > ridicule, if not outright hostility." "Common Sense is just the collection of prejudices one acquires by age 18." -- albert einstein (i'm paraphrasing) ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:30:18 -0600 From: steve Subject: Miyazaki in SF (NR) Those close enough to SF have the chance to see Hayao Miyazaki's Spirited Away some months before Disney gets the English version finished. > Saturday, April 20, 6:30pm, Castro Theatre > MIYAZAKI Hayao's latest and greatest masterpiece will be shown in the > States as part of the SF Int'l Film Fest. > > Also Sunday, April 21, 11:00am, Castro Theatre > > Tickets go on sale to the general public April 2nd > > SPIRITED AWAY > (SEN TO CHIHIRO NO KAMIKAKUSHI) > A fabulous ghost-infested adventure full of action, > suspense and a swarm of unusual creatures and compelling > human characters, Spirited Away is the pinnacle of > imaginative animated fantasy by Japanimation master > Hayao Miyazaki. The highest grossing film of all time in > Japan. In Japanese with English subtitles. > Japan (2001) 125m. North American Premiere - - Steve __________ At the same time he was selling U.S. secrets to the Soviet Union, former FBI special agent Robert Philip Hanssen was a key supervisor in a 1980s domestic-spying program questioning the loyalty of American citizens and monitoring their activities, newly obtained FBI documents show. - Dann & Kennedy, L.A. Times ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:36:40 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: bob's house Or for the real Bob, worthy of praise: http://www.subgenius.com/pam1/pamphlet_p1.html fuck 'em if they can't take a joke... Matt >From: "Fric Chaud" >Reply-To: "Fric Chaud" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: bob's house >Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:24:38 -0500 > >On 11 Mar 2002, at 18:07, gSs wrote: > > > > I wish they had named god, bob. > >Bayard once pointed me here: > >http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSCanadiana02/0115_nwt-cp.html > >-- >Fric Chaud - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:18:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: mahna mahna? On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, James Dignan wrote: > Hey - there are much more fun words we could argue about near this in the > dictionary (including fun itself) - anyone want to comment on whether > 'frowst' does indeed mean 'hot and stuffy', how worn out something has to > be to be 'forfochen', or whether the word 'fundi' should be used with its > South African or East African definition? Or perhaps tell me what > fritillaries look like? Are they pretty? In those early P G Wodehouse school stories, "frowst" means something like "sit in front of a study fire with a book and a plate of crumpets when you ought to be out doing early morning fielding practice before the big match with the Old Wrykynians". So 'hot and stuffy' enters into it, but isn't the primary sense. For years I have known that fritillaries are butterflies, e.g. the marsh fritillary. So you can imagine my surprise when my wife said "I'm off to the garden centre to buy some fritilliaries" and instead of coming back with insects, she returned with _plants_. Potential source of confusion there, I would have thought. On the Fid Def issue, my understanding is that H8 wrote a pamphlet denouncing the mad Lutherans, for which he was awarded those letters by the Pope. Oddly, the Pope let him keep them when H8 changed sides in later life. I have never come across 'forfochen', but it sounds Gaelic. - - Mike Godwin PS I saw Bing Hitler once at an Edinburgh Festival bash in a big tent. He was on an extensive bill with Paul Merton, Griff Rhys Jones, that funny chap from Cliffhanger Theatre Co, Arthur Smith etc etc. It was clear that he hadn't performed for a while, but was a local favourite. n.p. Donovan "A poke at the Pope" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:39:05 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: mahna mahna? Michael R Godwin wrote: > > In those early P G Wodehouse school stories, "frowst" means something like > "sit in front of a study fire with a book and a plate of crumpets when you > ought to be out doing early morning fielding practice before the big match > with the Old Wrykynians". So 'hot and stuffy' enters into it, but isn't > the primary sense. Kipling, in "The Camel's Hump", says: The cure for this ill is not to sit still, Or frowst with a book by the fire; But to take a large hoe and a shovel also, And dig till you gently perspire; - -- Stewart C. Russell, Kirkintilloch, Scotland - scruss@enterprise.net "...eat the fruit of the clue tree." - Sam Tracy http://homepages.enterprise.net/scruss/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:14:20 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: FA: Robyn Hitchcock Cone, signed by The Soft Boys I think I've found a way of packaging it: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=851416141 Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:29:33 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: bob's house > > I wish they had named god, bob. > > Bayard once pointed me here: > > http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSCanadiana02/0115_nwt-cp.html "With a spiffy new name for the eastern Arctic, many thought it was time for one in the west, too." That what I was thinking. N.W.T does sound more like a direction than a name and maybe when I get there this summer they will listen to some of my suggestions. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:36:28 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: bob's house On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, matt sewell wrote: > Or for the real Bob, worthy of praise: > > http://www.subgenius.com/pam1/pamphlet_p1.html The only bob deserving respect or dietyhoodedness is dylan. I'll be more specific next time. I think he now looks like an old matador or a policeman from Tijuana. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:41:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Robyn is playing in Austin, TX on April 23? Seems he is, according to The Great American Music Hall's web site: It's a Tuesday night, but so what. I'm going. What about you other Texas Fegs? Try FREE Yahoo! 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Rev Stew Art ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:09:49 -0500 From: badly drawn woj Subject: Re: Robyn is playing in Austin, TX on April 23? when we last left our heroes, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. exclaimed: >Seems he is, according to The Great American Music Hall's web site: > > um, the great american music hall is in san francisco, not austin. and we knew about this show already, did we not? woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:46:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Robyn is playing in Austin, TX on April 23? - --- badly drawn woj, aka Captain Obvious, wrote: > um, the great american music hall is in san francisco, not austin. and we > knew about this show already, did we not? Well, there's some auditorium in Austin with a name similar to that one, or something. Right? Heck, I don't know. Why is everybody staring at me? Never mind. Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:02:58 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Robyn played in Austin, last year On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > Why is everybody staring at me? Ya got some barbeque stuck in yer teeth that's all. Plus a smudge of sauce on yer soft boys shirt, but we won't bother mentioning that since it doesn't come out. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:09:21 -0500 From: badly drawn woj Subject: Re: Robyn is playing in Austin, TX on April 23? when we last left our heroes, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. exclaimed: >Well, there's some auditorium in Austin with a name similar to that one, or >something. Right? Heck, I don't know. the austin music hall, i think. >Why is everybody staring at me? cos yer purdy? +w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:27:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: bob's house "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > gSs wrote: > > > > The only bob deserving respect or dietyhoodedness is dylan. I'll be > > more specific next time. > > everyone's entitled to their own opinion -- NO MATTER HOW WRONG, PINK > BOY! this is pretty much provably false though, since Bob Marley has already achieved diety status*. which i first mistyped as "statues," which of courswe he has also achieved. ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:46:09 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: share my day - no RH well, well, well, on spring break, so I am watching DVDs all day long. Today is s. Kubrick day, and Dr. Strangelove and Full Metal Jacket seem very current... eleanore ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 09:25:24 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: bob's house Diety status? Dietyhood? I guess Bobs Marley and Dylan have achieved diety status - Dylan from being careful what he eats, Marley from entropy... I guess I'm hoping for dietyhood too, although hopefully using the Dylan method... Matt "newer, chunkier" Sewell >From: Jeff Dwarf >Reply-To: Jeff Dwarf >To: "Stewart C. Russell" , fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: bob's house >Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:27:57 -0800 (PST) > >"Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > > gSs wrote: > > > > > > The only bob deserving respect or dietyhoodedness is dylan. I'll be > > > more specific next time. > > > > everyone's entitled to their own opinion -- NO MATTER HOW WRONG, PINK > > BOY! > >this is pretty much provably false though, since Bob Marley has already >achieved diety status*. > >which i first mistyped as "statues," which of courswe he has also >achieved. > > >===== >"This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" > -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" > >"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." > -- Theodore Roosevelt > >. >Try FREE Yahoo! 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