From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #82 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 11 2002 Volume 11 : Number 082 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: on second thought [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #81 [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Eno commercial alert [The other Mr Feg ] Re: Super Mario [The other Mr Feg ] Re: Hail, Hail Carl Palmer [The other Mr Feg ] Re: Da Da Da, ooops ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: mahna mahna? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: The Bottom Line Show. [mary ] Re: Da Da Da, ja! ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Da Da Da, ja! [Sebastian Hagedorn ] All Is Right With The World, Well Not Really...but. ["Maximilian Lang" ] RE: All Is Right With The World, Well Not Really...but. ["Brian Huddell" ] rufus at the fillmore [drew ] Re: I Dream of Bewitched and thoughts on religion in the U.S. of A. [Elea] Re: It's goodbye from him... ["Fric Chaud" ] In God's Country (Slight Return) [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:49:20 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: on second thought > The primary, causative vertebral subluxation can be only where >there are no intervertebral osseous locks, viz., between occiput, >atlas, and axis, except for the odontoid which prevents one >direction only. The only place a causative vertebral subluxation >can be adjusted is in that area. okay, okay - I give up! No more 'is religion a social modifier in the US' messages! James now waving - white (no, that doesn't make me Taliban (how do they indicate that they've surrendered anyway?)) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:51:29 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V11 #81 congrats to that DDerosa and said's other half! I wondered where you'd got to. Hope the next 18 years go smoother than those first few hours... >Here I was all excited because I thought this was an email about Trio... I >met Klaus Vormann today. He was Trio's producer...nevermind. the sixth Beatle! (seventh?) Didn't know he was involved with Trio! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:19:58 -0800 From: The other Mr Feg Subject: Re: Eno commercial alert Marshall: > Since there are quite a few people with interest in Eno on this list... > I spotted a BMW commerical playing [...] that used "The Big Ship" throughout most > of the spot. That one's been on heavy rotation on Fox here in the Bay Area. I had not noticed that was Eno, so thanks for pointing it out. > np Carla Bley/Paul Haines, _Escalator Over The Hill_ Holy sh*t! I thought I was the only person to ever buy that! Don't tell me it's released on CD now. (I have the triple vinyl version. :) ) ~N ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:30:54 -0800 From: The other Mr Feg Subject: Re: Super Mario DDerosa: > hey there, I haven't written in to the list in approximately forever, Glad I'm not the only one! Nice to see you post again. > just thought I'd throw out that I now have a newborn son and proto-Robyn fan, > named Mario and born Wednesday march 6. > > He's already pushy--was born, at home, posterior with the cord wrapped around > his neck four times, so like he came with his own noose. Needed > resuscitation, and they started punching with his very long arms. Congratulations to Mario for getting himself such cool Feg-parents, and for finding a way to get extra attention so early in life. Careful, he could be a rock-star in the making. ~N You're *not* Nintendo addicts ...are you? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:48:03 -0800 From: The other Mr Feg Subject: Re: Hail, Hail Carl Palmer Steve wrote: > http://www.carlpalmer.com/palmer.html Clearly Carl's signature is worth exactly $10 (being the difference in price between an autographed and non-autographed CD). Anyone want to guess what Robyn's might be worth? I browsed the CP store, and I have to say, the Carl Palmer tambourine (signed) was certainly tempting - however I managed to resist. What a pity all his forthcoming gigs are outside the US - I thought he usually shows up at Quail's place when he's in town. ~N ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 08:31:47 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Da Da Da, ooops Maximilian Lang wrote: > > Here I was all excited because I thought this was an email about Trio... I > met Klaus Vormann today. He was Trio's producer...nevermind. Hey, I liked Trio, too... even if they (or clones of them) did music for very odd Ariston TV adverts. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 08:37:31 +0000 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: mahna mahna? James Dignan wrote: > > here's a little dictionary definition for you: uhoh, quoting dictionary definitions. This should be DEFCON-2 of Godwin's. As a "resting" dictionary type, you wouldn't believe how often entries get slapped together and jammed in there. Weight they have not. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:12:10 -0500 From: mary Subject: Re: The Bottom Line Show. So far I know the following list folks are going to the show: Bayard Chris Melissa lj Quail Ken Tim R. Eb - if he can find those lost plane tickets me How about the rest of you somewhat local folks - Kay, Woj, Ferris, Jon - I'm sure all of you will be there, right? Anyone going to be in town on the 9th and want to see Guided By Voices? I have two extra tickets for sale. s.Mary >Just out of curiosity, can I have a show of hands for those going to the >shows in NYC? My wife and I are going to both shows, we reserved tickets >today. I think the tickets for both of us and possible hotel >accommodations may be cheaper than a ticket to a Paul McCartney >concert...no, I am not kidding. > > just curious, > Max > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:44:32 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Da Da Da, ja! >From: "Maximilian Lang" > >Here I was all excited because I thought this was an email about Trio... I >met Klaus Vormann today. He was Trio's producer...nevermind. I thought the same thing when I first saw the subject line, too. But hey, let's talk about Trio anyway. I love 'em. I think I've got a good 90% of their recorded output. I can't find that John Lennon tribute on which they covered "Wake Up," however, and there's a pressing of their first s/t LP, the one with "Nur ein Traum" and "Danger Is" I need to get. The pressing I have is Dutch; I think the one with the extra songs was a UK or US pressing. And yes, I am grateful to Volkswagen (actually Arnold Communications, their advertising arm in the US) for using "Da Da Da" in the Beetle ad, because that's what finally got "Trio and Error" reissued on CD. Something I had waited for for a very long time. "Da Da Da" may be cloying, but Trio could make some fierce music when they wanted to: "Kummer," "Nasty," "Ja Ja Ja," and so on. Never did see them live, sadly. I missed them by a week when they toured the US back in 1984 or so. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:42:18 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Da Da Da, ja! - -- "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." is rumored to have mumbled on Sonntag, 10. Mdrz 2002 9:44 Uhr -0600 regarding Re: Da Da Da, ja!: >> From: "Maximilian Lang" >> >> Here I was all excited because I thought this was an email about Trio... >> I met Klaus Vormann today. He was Trio's producer...nevermind. > > I thought the same thing when I first saw the subject line, too. But hey, > let's talk about Trio anyway. I love 'em. Y'all may or may not be aware of the fact that Trio never were taken seriously in Germany. Similar to Can's and Kraftwerk's fate they were always more critically acclaimed abroad. I only really know their first album, which I have on tape somewhere. Some of their music is pretty cool, but I'm not sure myself how seriously it can be taken. Some of it is so corny and I never knew whether that was supposed to be satire or not. The actually performed on the ZDF Hitparade, a show where they usually only play "Schlager". A few years back there was some reporting in the tabloids about some dirty laundry. Apparently (at least) the drummer got a bum deal, but I don't recall any details. It was basically said that they don't talk anymore. Not the first band that has happened to... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Winter is coming." (George R. R. Martin, A Song of Ice and Fire) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:13:13 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: All Is Right With The World, Well Not Really...but. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005Y3ZL/qid=1015783854/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_67_1/103-0147286-8880634 Now when are they going to put the Ben Stiller show out? Max _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:29:32 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: mahna mahna? > >That would be Christian Fundamentalism, not fundamentalism. > > here's a little dictionary definition for you: > > fundamentalism, n. > 1) Belief in the Bible as factual historical record and incontrovertible > prophecy, including such doctrines as the creation, the Virgin Birth, and > the Second Coming. > 2a) (often capital F) a movement based on that belief Two things, first I called it fundamentalism, not Fundamentalism and the second definition given in Webster's Collegiate Dictionary is: 2: a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherance to a set of basic principles. If the word has only ever been used as a name for a specific organization, then that means the word could not have existed until that organization was created and named. So does that mean the word fundamentalism, either capitalized or not was never so much as uttered until the mid 19th century or so? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:02:20 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: All Is Right With The World, Well Not Really...but. WOOOHOOO!!!!! http://www.bobanddavid.com/ lists a release date of June 11. Thanks Max! +brian > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005Y3ZL/qid=10157838 > 54/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_67_1/103-0147286-8880634 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:05:56 -0800 From: drew Subject: rufus at the fillmore I forget whether I mentioned that the Gorky's Zygotic Mynci show I went to not two weeks before was so disappointing and unpleasant that I questioned the wisdom of going to live shows in the future. Well, this was pretty much the opposite experience. Rufus was wonderful, everything I'd hoped for. I think anyone who was disappointed by the new album would see it in a new light after the attention each song got in concert. I think only two songs were left out ("Shadows," not a bad song but not one of the stronger tracks, and "In a Graveyard," unless I missed it) and the rest all came off fabulously. Several songs from the first album made it in, including "Foolish Love" and "April Fool" of course, and "Beauty Mark". I believe someone already mentioned that a couple of French songs are in the set (I don't know either); also "Across the Universe," a wonderful "Hallelujah" (Cohen, of course), and "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" to close, with Rufus's mom on piano. Tonight I think Martha is going to do the opening set, but last night it was Teddy Thompson, the guitarist, who sounds uncannily like a more subdued Rufus at times (all the better to blend, I suppose) and looks like a Cheers-era Woody Harrelson, but is English and rather cutely inarticulate and self-effacing. His set was all right but nothing spectacular. Martha's "udders" are not especially "oppressive," even in the low-cut dress, but her makeup and hairstyle make her look a lot older and scary-matronly than she probably intended. She has a high, breathy voice, and her manner onstage is a little weird. Rufus is of course a huge flamer and his patter was just so-so; I wondered if he were trying to queen it up a little more just because he was in San Francisco. I even managed to snag one of the Fillmore posters for the first time, but I don't like it that much; it's a pretty homely thing with birds and telephone wires and sharp type. It's nice to have one for a change, though. I never liked cursive (and yes, we were taught the Palmer Method), and I switched to printing again as soon as my teachers allowed me to. These days I have to stop and think if for some reason I'm joining up my letters. > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > But Buchanan's presence on that list, and on talk shows, suggests that > his > views are acceptable enough to be part of the common discourse...in a > way > that, say, thoughts as extremely atheistic as his are "Christian," or as > left-wing is he is right-wing, would not be. Well, I think the former is true to some extent, but I'm not sure the latter is. However, I think what we're arguing is a somewhat petty issue; I think we agree that it sucks that Pat Buchanan can sell any books at all in the country we live in. > Isn't it about time for a digest to spit out? I wish people would not do this. The whole point of the digest format is to avoid deluge; that doesn't really work when people spam the queue. If you just can't wait, how about subscribing to the loose-mail format? Drew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:14:42 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Re: I Dream of Bewitched and thoughts on religion in the U.S. of A. I was thinking the very same thing - that the USA is a very large place. Where i grew up everyone was Catholic, we all went to church on sunday, didn't eat meat on friday all year long, not just for lent. I had not even met a protestant (to my knowledge) until college. (I grew up Polish in the Detroit area)Then one of my best friends moved to Ohio (he is catholic too) and everyone he knows is a fundamentalist christian and are hyper religious - it permeates work and home. He has to edit everything he says and does at work. (Us Catholics are a bit casual - we go through the motions but then do what is funny or feels good - religion doesn't stop us from acting) and now I line in the Bay area and I know people of all denominations and religions, from taoists to born-agains. Unlike Ohio, I don't feel i need to edit my speech in the Bay area. (When I say need to edit speech, it is to avoid confrontation. I am sure my friend Dave in Ohio feels he does this to avoid confrontation, not that he would be discriminated or fired, just doesn't need to get into an argument or induce someone to try to save his soul) And I don't believe in god, but still feel Catholic, if that makes sense. When we die, we are dead, is what I say. eleanore On Saturday, March 9, 2002, at 06:43 PM, Jill Brand wrote: > I hadn't seen any of these 60s sitcoms in ages when someone started this > thread, but my daughter has been home sick all week (my school vacation > week - someone please feel sorry for me), and I gave up on intellectual > stimulation (which included hours of Mad Libs, Mummy Rummy, readings of > Tales of the Ancient Egyptians, and Yahtzee) and decided to fuck all and > let her watch as much goddamned TV as she wanted. And lo, there were > both > Bewitched and I Dream of Genie. The premises are the same - magic > person > in house whose identity must remain secret. I'm not sure how much this > reflected the ethos of the era or the pocketbook of the producers. > Simply > said, if the identities of Samantha and Genie had been revealed...there > would have been no show. No? > > As for religion in these here United States, I think that any analysis > has > to be regional. From where I sit, everyone seems to be Catholic or > Mormon > (some may raise their eyebrows at this - what Mormons dwell in > Massachusetts? Well, the *only* Mormon temple in the northeast is right > here in Belmont, MA). Nary a born again in sight. When I grew up in > Brooklyn, many stores were closed on Saturdays for observance of the > Jewish sabbath. And when I lived in Colorado, I felt greater culture > shock than I did while living in Germany because people toted their > bibles > around with them everywhere. The US is a BIG PLACE. I don't know more > than three people who voted for GWB; the reverse is probably true in > Billings, Montana (and we have established that religious leanings were > reflected in the last presidential election). So I think that any > lump-categorizing about the role of religion in the life of a US > American > will, at best, be simplistic. > > As for Harry Potter, I love those books to death, but I still have > trouble > with their Christmas celebrations. They seem incongruous. > > I want to see Robyn in April. Waaaaaahhhh!!!!! > > Jill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 00:25:55 -0500 From: "Fric Chaud" Subject: Re: It's goodbye from him... On 8 Mar 2002, at 8:51, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Mike Swedene wrote: > > > Didn't Paul McCartney have a song called "Goodbye" > > too? I think the lyrics are the same as the ones Stew > > quoted. > Did he ever record it himself? Yes, as a demo. I think you can find it on the Anthology series. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 02:44:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: In God's Country (Slight Return) http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/03/10/LV124772.DTL ===== "This week, the White House says President Bush meant no disrespect when he referred to the Pakistani people as 'Pakis.' But just to be on the safe side, White House staffers have cancelled his trip to Nigeria" -- Tina Fey, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #82 *******************************